#overturnRoe

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

“men stand to lose a lot if Roe v Wade is overturned” oh nooo crappy losers will have to find new ways of avoiding personal responsibility boo hoo cry me a river etc. etc.

[studentsforlife]

Today’s Supreme Court decisions have major implications for Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton. In the DOMA case, the Supreme Court found that the federal government must respect the rights of states to determine their own laws protecting the “rights” of their citizens, citing the ‘equal protection’ clause of the 5th Amendment. This begs the question “Where is the equal protection for pre-born babies?”

In the Prop 8 case, the Court decided to not repeat the mistakes of Roe. They did not overturn the duly enacted laws of states with a sweeping declaration like they did with Roe. They found that the federal government does not have a compelling interest to make a sweeping declaration on equal protections.

The same logic should be applied to Roe. And the Supreme Court should follow its own principles set forth in these cases to overturn Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton and turn those decisions back to the states to extend equal protections to pre-born babies.

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[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

I know it is not a popular position among pro-lifers to say that women should face legal consequences for obtaining abortions. But if we accept even one of these two realities as true, we have no choice but to take this position.

It is self-evident that an embryo/fetus is an individual young human being, by mere virtue of the fact that it will naturally become an individual adult human being.

There is a Natural Law which states that justice demands punishment for the intentional killing of an innocent life, and we must mold our civil laws to satisfy that justice.

If pro-lifers will not admit this, we are going to be rightly perceived as morally and logically inconsistent; people who claim that abortion is murder, but will not prosecute the initiator of that murder even for manslaughter? Because of some nebulous idea that she must have been pressured into doing it? A person has been murdered. There is no escaping that fact.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

Murder is dangerous and should have to stay dangerous, and abortion isn't murder, have a nice day at work 🌻

The burden of proof that abortion isn’t murder is on you, anon. A fetus’ humanity is self-evident.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

How do you think ectopic pregnancies should be handled?

I think this should be done before removal is initiated.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

cancers have unique combinations of DNA, too, should we cease treating cancers since that's enough to give them a soul?

No, because it is not the DNA of a human individual, nor will it ever become a human individual. This is basic, basic logic and science my dudes.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

Thanks for sticking up for the babies. You’re doing God’s work 💖 I’m sorry for all the anon hate you’re getting. You don’t deserve that.

Thank you, anon!

I’m pretty used to it though. The hate happens because they know I’m right.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

2363.org

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

friendly reminder the antinatalist movement has gained exponential traction in this country, and is a favorite personal policy of environment ideologues. forced abortions are not magically limited to the CCP. we already sterilize nonconsenting “trans kids.”

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

Abortion SHOULD be risky.

Abortion SHOULD be dangerous.

Abortion SHOULD be something a woman thinks twice before doing.

Abortion IS murder.

We’re banning safe abortions? GOOD.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

Actually, you really, really don't understand biology, since you keep referring to ova, zygotes, and fetuses as children. Maybe you'd be better at convincing people who don't share your belief regarding when ensoulment occurs if you didnt move the goalposts every two seconds: excising an ectoptic pregnancy has always been considered an abortion, and the fact that you don't know that indicates you are not aware of what these procedures entail. "Reading a biology textbook." Don't make me laugh.

I call them children because to do otherwise provides too much leeway to those who automatically dehumanize words like “zygote.”

If you had actually read my posts and sources about ectopic pregnancies, you would know that I’ve already addressed these things and how they are approached by the law. Please condescend to someone else, and have a nice day.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

You say that abortion rates have dropped in Texas. Interesting how abortion rates have risen in states surrounding Texas as people flee outward to have abortions. Studies show that criminalizing abortion doesn't reduce the rates: sexual education, prophylactics, and free access to birth control do, along with maternal/paternal leave and access to a job which allows one to afford the means to care for a child. But it's easier to just dismiss your opponents through sloppy arguments and emotion.

Then the surrounding states should also ban abortion, and abortion bans should ripple to every coastline in the U.S. until we are an abortion-free nation. They can go to Canada and Mexico if they like, but the U.S. will not sanction or provide access to child murder. Thanks.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

You're actually wrong about the "less than one percent" number of pregnancies resulting from rape. 2.4%, or almost 2.9 million U.S. women, experience rape-related pregnancy, based on data from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey. So it is not in fact "very low." I'd consider 2.9 million to be a significant number, and worthy of concern, not brushed off in another quick argument where you fail to consider any number of studies to the contrary.

Ok, let’s assume the survey is correct. I’m willing to consider the number has gone up, given the astronomical rise in porn access. The number is not low, but the rate IS still low. But I never said “very low” anywhere in my post.

I was talking about how rape does not somehow right the wrong of murdering a child, and about how pro-aborts use rape victims as a prop to justify the 99-97.6% of child murder that occurs in this country. Which is a DISGUSTING thing to do.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

“you’re anti-abortion” yes? and? i’m so anti-abortion you could take my anti-abortion-ness and slice it with a knife but the knife would melt under the visceral, burning, loathing hatred i nurture for abortion. i would like to see the evil disgusting abomination that is abortion banned in every corner of the planet. I adamantly despise it and my chief quest is to strip everyone of all access to it. what’s your point.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

Hey my dude, that post isn't saying that you can't care about abortion or even that OP doesn't, it's saying that a ban is ineffective at best because it doesn't reduce abortions really at all, it just increases total death. They also didn't say there were no complications from legal abortions. It's literally discussing how to meaningfuly reduce/stop abortions (you address the systemic issues that lead people to seek them out) but I feel like you missed that up there on your high horse.

Also, there are several cases in the US of women being imprisoned for murder/manslaughter following miscarriages: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544

Actually, bans do reduce abortion, I’ve seen it happen right here in Texas, so you’re talking to a brick wall on that one, bro. There is no higher horse than the one a person sits on in order to claim the state permitting child murder is somehow morally superior to the state condemning child murder.

Those cases are NOT women being imprisoned FOR miscarrying. They are women who committed child abuse and experienced miscarriage as a potential result, and it is therefore perfectly reasonable to jail them for manslaughter.