#ough orv and loops

[lee-hakhyun]

… what if. what if lee hakhyun doesn’t know why he’s saying things in star writer because he can tell his actions don’t feel like his own. what if he can feel himself being puppetmastered by someone else. [this part is a complete leap in logic and more of a fun what-if than actual theorising] but what if the being puppeteering his actions is a future version of himself, writing those very words. so it is him, but in a way where it isn’t

what if, right now, lee hakhyun is only getting information from kdj’s novel because it was something HE WROTE and because he WROTE HIMSELF into being the reincarnation of 49 kdj. what if he’s only the reincarnation because lee hakhyun’s whole deal is that he transmigrates into the character he’s writing, and now that he wrote orv in a different worldline he has to complete star writer’s own rules of living from the protagonist’s viewpoint.

what if this is just another ‘effect writes cause’ situation, same as yjh regresses -> hsy writes -> kdj reads -> yjh regresses

there’s already a stable paradox in star writer’s worldline being older than orv’s, why not THIS TOO

oh god. if he was the one to willingly write himself all his pain..

honestly. with all this being about this being his story now i want to believe he's writing this side story. the moments where he mentions he wants to write a new story.. and continuing the story that hsy wrote,, but this is orv. i cant theorize anything because singshong will throw a curveball that's impossible to predict yet ties everything together in the worst ways

while i can see the differences between star writer and orv lhh, i feel like there could be SOME connection especially since star writer was explicitly brought up as something lhh wrote (ill talk about this when i finally get that next episode summary up it's still in the drafts) though they are still separate works so i'm not expecting it. idk where it is but singshong did say in some interview that they came up with the idea for orv after star writer failed (something about writing about a reader instead of an author) and.. now he's back. and thank god he's back i wouldn't have found my blorbo without the side story

[istherewifiinhell]

joelleity: adding a new pin to the pepe sylvia board that says "detectives = bartenders = witnesses to the horrors (human condition of weirdos)?" big big fan of jhw being Just Like That yeah lol OUGH YEAH YEAH SO CORRECT ABT ALL THE PARENT STUFF and its very fun and painful to read thru. bc u know exactly that its happening bc of generational. loops and cycles and such. whole book about escaping loops and cycles and such. perpetrating things ur trying to escape. becoming--

--a constellation to destroy constellations. going off on tangents. lol. just literally feel like every single aspect of the novel can be looked at thru the lens of parenting now that uve introduced it kjshdfg yeah i think about yjh in this section i start going nuts. love it for orv that it nearly always (for me) manages to successfully address the things it implies. satisfying, still have no idea how they did that while writing serially lol

oh see and this is clearly true cause if a detective needs to go to a place and find some information or soothe their woes they go talk to a bartender. yeah shes just out here like well this basically just bar-tending with added murder

its sooo loops and cycles and thats even better cause kdj is also the one whose most anti loops and cycles and councils yjh to see things thru and not assume he can do better with a new cycle. kdj is his own anti hero and i love that for him ahaha i simply cant be stopped with this kind of reading cause if u put a kid in something i am thinking about their well being and lucky for me everyone was a kid once

i love drama i love pain i love anguish [it happens] hey now.. yeah its like wild! this guy has problems on purpose. the only like clearly serialized hiccups ive noticed in like 200 chapters are that kdj immediately forgot he had bookmark and however many times the constellation summoning disc gets to be used. thats a good ratio. good for them good for them

reading process: chapter 196 (damn)

reading highlights: now with new and improved features

178 Yjh hesitating to fast ball special this weird little dude: pls dont die. kdj: look at me. bitch

179 Gah. can an author make a story so big even their monster cant eat it

180 I knew the 4th wall was gonna eat but i forgot IT HAS TEETH

shaking the no no can at 4th wall

gah okay yeah jesus lee sookyung [song accompaniment love run by the amazing devil]

the narrative will make you apart of it (threat)

181 '4th wall also isolated me from myself' DING DING DING

overall evaluation ⬛⬛... -> mood

gonna twach the sentient dangerous trauma response some... morals? interpersonal skills?

↳cant handle direct interaction, eats and sleeps. yea

↳im gonna take a nap right here

LJH: arent you and kdj.... yjh grimacing as being ask about his love life by his teenage ward

kdj funeral -> song accompaniment welly boots by the amazing devil (just because I left doesnt mean I'm not still there)

YJH sponsor -> praying for his fate eh?

182 [sponsors lhs 100 head pats]

SYS is literally your daughter 🥺. kdj dad who hates dads moment

183 lhs wants to be on kdj team :((((

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LHS IN THE DRESS

(did hades make it??)

184 feeling differently after talking to 4th wall yeah pretty sure you had a break thru about dissociating there

yjh: looking with eyes not seen in TWOS -> kdj facial expression blindness trutherism

185 YJH: cause you know me sooo well kdj: starting to think i dont know this you that well

yjh thoughts: there have never been so many ppl who made it to here

"continue to live kim dokja now you have to save this world"

kdj u cant take your own medicine (yjh scheming)

LSK contemplating abt what shit is up with her son

Something lives IN THE WALL

186 other people feel pain with no wall. YES!

"I told him there is no such development [yjh death] in the ending i want"

'yjh desperate face' thats crushing to even read

187 hsy type cast as murder friend sorry bestie

god some classic kdj asshole moments -> guilting lhs and everything

"see the sight of a bearish man weeping" i would like to

jhw T.T oh my murder woman

188 making sys and lgy do this. your KIDS! -> generational Something or other

kdj to yjh: you cant change whats already happened -> this may be an unauthorized use of radical acceptance

your stigma is Literally self sacrifice based... DUDE

get killed by the narrative. your loved ones but also the story... for the story. AH

yjh im so sorry... this is devasting

Uriel... lol shes sweet ig

Demon king of salvation. so juicy (unionize hell lol)

189 LHS LGY YJH boy grief party

yjh widower era

min jiwon and han donghoon! yay

yoohan bonding?

190 Bihyung aw!

[I will pull all of you down from that fucking heaven]

191 a soul can't belong to anyone!

"I will destroy the world of the fucking dokkaebis"

192 ur still a jerk kdj. drama kid

193 yeah fuck the state jhw

do they all share a house 🥺

LHS is back with the army... okay putting a pin in that

yjh stayed in his room like a broken person... bruh

jhw was a bartender? did i know that? it makes so much sense tho

kdj ur story is told bc they love you!!

194 idk i was the only person reading this 1000 chapter work and when i left a comment some stuff changed

syswitz industrial complex... run that by me one more time

damn human life is just like hell, ive been saying this

195 demon trains? i know all about those

complete ur scheme. say somthing cool. pass out. kdj ur self parody at this point

rotation: recency bias is a hell of a thing. i want to partially tie up the parenting stuff with noting how often the constellation incarnation relationship was considered parental, how kdj views them (and indeed how weve seen quite a few be) really cruel, or exploitative, and well thats fitting for him to see that as parental isnt it. but then also. he has kids in his own care, and one is literally his incarnation. frankly im interested in both how attacking and dethroning gods is gonna impact his own godhood deal, his own parenting, and his view of his mothers job of parenting him

im not sure if i have any particular takes here but let it be know kdj is a bastard and a scoundrel and i shall not miss him. not from this distance. no but god that was a classic really jerk move level manipulation. need to re-calibrate the dials. whats worse is at this point i think he can fully understand how much emotional damage hes putting his loved ones through.

Also did you know we live in a society. this one is pretty nascent so far but the breaking of the Seoul dome is reminding us of normal human society, and its flaws, and with the demonic realm, blatantly stated, we live in hell on earth.