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dazzlerazz · 11 months ago
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Edelgard is a beast I love her so much
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azure-clockwork · 7 months ago
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Way to tell us your groundbreaking original opinion shared by only more than half the fandom in a "better than everyone" tone despite being an extremely surface level analysis.
Like damn, I'm not arguing with you and I'm sorry for the rude sarcasm, but you gotta understand that post like yours keep popping once in a while in the characters tag ( despite having all discourse tag and discourse-prone blog blocked ) when they don't add anything to the discussion. Three Houses is such an interesting game to analyze so if you're going to do discourse, at least get a bit in depth!
Because yes, you're complaining about the discourse but your post is just... participating in the discourse, just in the average "centrist" fe3h fandom way for a lack of a better word. If you hate it so much why add your grain of salt in it? You're the same as the annoying Edelgard/Dimitri/Claude you're speaking about! I mean at least some of them at least provide interesting analysis about the game within rant.
At least tag your post the next time, because even some of the worst lord stan have the decency to do that.
Sorry you got my rant, but your post was the drop that makes the ocean of badly tagged similar takes overflow my discourse limit. Three Houses discourse sucks hard in every form it takes. Still, have a good day at least.
Okok I did say I was asking for this so, fair
First, sincerely, how would you like me to have tagged this? This is an honest question to which I don't actually know the answer, and I'll go back and edit the tags cuz I don't want to bug more people (and kinda the only reason I'm replying because otherwise I feel like engaging is kinda not what I wanna be doing with my life nor yours, but sadly my brain doesn't shut its trap once I start thinking so I feel compelled to share with the class). Actually, you can skip the rest of this if you don't wanna bother lol
Secondly, I just wanted to be funny because I think that accusing fire emblem characters of war crimes is amusing. I recognize that the Geneva Convention sorta breaks apart the moment magic or crests or dark beasts or gambits come into play, and it's also not what people mean when they say 'Dimitri did war crimes' or 'Edelgard is a war criminal', but I think its hilarious to do anyways. When I see people making arguments about characters and using the term 'war criminal', roughly half of my brain starts laughing about how teeeeechnically using that one gambit with the poison barrels counts as criminal, regardless of if I agree or disagree with the argument made. And I'm memeing on myself here too (or at least trying to): "Jay is gay for Edelgard" is a truly terrible justification to base decisions of morality on . I'd argue that picking a house/the church based on attraction to the lord/Rhea is a sillier motive than a numerical tally of official violations of the Geneva Convention.
I really didn't want this to come across as Discourse tm because I don't want it to be; I just wanted turn my own desire to make a list of every single 'technically a war crime' into something semi amusing, because nobody actually wants to sit and read far too many words about how technically if you recruit and deploy Cyril to rescue Flayn (which is before his 15th birthday by like a month) that makes you a war criminal.
If you want my actual opinion (because making you scroll back thru my blog to read the unhinged rants I came up with while deciding between crimson flower and silver snow would be kinda a dick move), fe3h is a messy, morally grey game regardless of your chosen route. You have to make rough choices, kill your friends and former students, and stand by while everyone, including your allies, does terrible things. For me, I bonded really hard with most of the cast fairly quickly because white clouds let me feel like I was doing the worlds best job teaching my kids. And then you have to kill them. You cannot save them all. It broke me a little. The first student I killed, perma-killed, with the music dropping out and all, was Hilda during the Deirdru fight against her and Claude. It was an accident; she died on enemy phase, and I was out of Divine Pulse charges. She wasn't even a requirement for victory. That was the cost of taking Deirdru; that was the cost of waging war. I lay awake that night thinking about how if I had a different sword equipped I couldn't have counterattacked her from 2 tiles away, or if I had done less damage, or tanked a hit, or--
I'm not arguing that every route is equally morally reprehensible, but I think it matters quite a bit that every route makes you complicit in some terrible things. For several reasons, I'm a big fan of crimson flower (I Do Not Like The Church and I also agree with all of the characters who would like to do away with the nobility and crest systems), but that's tempered by the weight of the actions of Those Who Slither. I am continually unsure of just how much I feel the weight of TWSitD's actions falls on Edelgard herself, and I vacillate between "she didn't really have any other options to cause any kind of change from her position, so an uneasy alliance with TWSitD was the lesser of two evils" and "she bears a significant chunk of responsibility for all of their actions, including Jeralt's death". And I have similar, albeit often less strong thoughts about the rest of the characters. Nobody is operating with the full picture, the characters are all massively blinded by their emotions, and everyone makes choices between what they think is the lesser of a few evils. While the exact number of war crimes is irrelevant because whoops, the Geneva Convention doesn't exist in Fodlan and war crimes aren't the only immoral things you can do, thinking about what means are justified by which ends and who bears the responsibility for what acts is actually a really important part of the game for me.
I guess at the end of the day, I walk away from this game believing the war should not have had to happen. But the world doesn't run on shoulds and should nots (in Fodlan or irl), so the best we can do is make choices based on what we do know, and to do our best to help people with the tools we have. I personally land on crimson flower in the end, but I think the real beauty of Three Houses is just how hard it makes that choice.
Ok, I'm done blabbing; just tell me how I ought to tag this to avoid bugging people and I'll be on my way. I mean this sincerely: have a nice day yourself, and sorry to have annoyed you!
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fellhellion · 4 years ago
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@sevarix-writes-fe3h​​ : I'd also like to add that i think both edie and huberts ruthlessness is what makes them good villains. What i dislike about edie is not about her ruthlessness but about her blindness to the results of it. Hubert realizes what he's doing. Edie doesn't always realize the consequences of her actions. But it's what makes her tragic. It makes her a villain without being pure evil. (just my view, of course)
hm, perhaps it’s just a difference of perspective but i don’t personally get the impression edelgard is blind to the costs of her ruthlessness? More so that she’s evaluated the human cost of what she intends to do and has judged that an acceptable price to pay in service of what she seeks to overthow, what (in her perspective) has cause more culmulitive harm than both her war and TWS. 
That’s what she and Dimitri are arguing about in Azure Moon with the whole “you cannot end the cycle of the strong crushing the weak through force” vs “by using force to overthrow what i’ve judged as an unjust system, people will be better in the long run even if not everyone has the strength to bear that outcome”. 
She’s very open during the Lonato mission to Byleth that she and the lord are extremely similar. She outlines her key idealogical stances: that she believes dying in the service of a greater ideal is not a death in vain, that she would be willing to risk the lives of her people in service of that idea like Lonato did. She talks over and over again about the pool of blood staining every step she takes and specifcally w Hubert, the fact he’s cutting that path for her to walk. Even in the scene in CF prior to when they first attack the monastery, she speaks of her apprehension in sending this country off into the wartorn turmoil at one command from her and yet still her RESOLVE to do so. 
She doesn’t personally give off the impression to me of someone who is ignorant of the suffering she is responsible for specifcally because she speaks of the fact that she’s choosing to set aside acting on regret or grief. She can’t stop feeling those emotions, but she makes very clear that she will not relent and act upon them and in fact feels guilt at FEELING those things because she knows she won’t act upon them. 
If anything, I’d argue that it is instead her willpower that is both her greatest strength and weakness, what blinds her to alternative courses of action. In refusing to relent to regret or grief at any cost due to the magnitude of what she’s undertaken, you get scenes like Edelgard shakily trying to convince herself that death was the greatest mercy she could grant dimitri, that there was nothing else she could have done to alter the outcome of what happened while pursueing her path . And it’s due to that perspective imo, that it’s why only Dimitri himself that can, any iteration of the story, take a reconcilatory approach in their relationship. 
Edelgard is so rooted in not faltering in the path she has chosen because she’s aware of it’s heavy price, because she personally saw no alternative (not speaking as to whether she’s correct, but from her perspective) but to consider otherwise is crippling. 
edit because i completely forgot something in this long fucking post: im STILL not sure whether that bit of dialogue she has before invading deirdru about how it would be better for the alliance to surrender to avoid the bloodshed that comes w losing is just like. wack and unaware writing or her being genuinely blind to an attribute she herself SHARES and talks about a lot but i think theres valid interpretations on either option for that one 
I physically cannot understand the logic of people who hate edelgard for her ruthlessness but then love hubert despite him having literally the exact same idealogical stance except MORE ruthlessness like I genuinely cannot understand it
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