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kokiriri · 4 months ago

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One thing I love about tumblr is that people just rant and yap about their fav tv shows and special interests, and boy do I eat that stuff up like crazyyy

So that's why I decided to talk about Wakfu s3&s4 and the issues I have with them😝

Right off the bat, one of the things that confused me most was the blame game in s3/s4. Yugo is made responsible for all of the major tragedies that had afflicted the World of Twelve up until now, which c'mon, there are so many factors that contribute to the Nox, Qilby, and Ogrest incidences that you can't just pin it all on one guy. And yet, the show does just that, revealing in s3 that because Yugo messed around with the Dofus to save the world from an early Great Wave, the Eliotrope race was created, which people were the ones responsible for leaving the Eliacube with Nox, allowing every event thus far to be made possible. Oropo preaches that since Yugo is the creator of the Eliotropes, the latter is therefore the one to blame, not the villains who exercised their agency in making decisions to harm others, or the Eliotropes (who I think have their own consciousnesses and wills, making them entirely separate from Yugo other than shared likes/dislikes) or any of the world leaders who failed to unite and take action, basically forcing Yugo to take drastic measures in the OVA episodes. I don't know, I just can't understand how the show shoulders all the blame onto Yugo, when clearly, he isn't the major instigator of these massive tragedies. Sure, his actions have allowed the seasons' villains to do what they did, but ultimately, the villains chose their paths as well.

Another thing that threw me off was Qilby's character and how he is forgiven through an 'ultimate sacrifice' despite having committed heinous crimes in the past. I still don't know what truly happened during the Eliatrope war (I don't think anyone does, because the game, manga, and show all explain it differently) but going off the manga, if I remember correctly, Qilby stole Orgonax's heart and christened it as the Eliacube, using its power to sate his unquenchable thirst for experimentation and exploration.

This enraged Orgonax and his fellow Mechasms, who at the time were peacefully coexisting with the Eliatropes, and a war subsequently broke out between the two races. The Eliatropes flee, end up at the World of Twelve, Qilby CONTACTS THE MECHASMS to come to the Eliatropes' new planet, ANOTHER WAR BREAKS OUT, yada yada, you probably remember the rest of the story from how it's detailed in s2. In the last episode of season 2, Qilby is labeled a murderer, being responsible for the massive loss of life during the Eliatrope/Mechasm war, namely the one to blame for the deaths of the Eliatrope children's parents. One of the Eliatrope children dubs Qilby as the "assassin of their parents" which title Qilby does not deny, but rather responds with "shut up." It is made known that Qilby wishes to drain the World of Twelve to power the Eliacube and the Eliatropic spaceship, the Zinit, showing a frightening lack of concern for other people and planets. However, in s4, this all seems to be forgotten?? Qilby's past crimes are never mentioned, the most we get is Yugo calling Qilby a "monster," but other than that, nothing!! Don't get me wrong, I love Qilby as a character - I think he's the most interesting season villain in Wakfu - but this blatant disregard for his past was so strange and frankly frustrating that it made the whole "Qilby-forgiveness" thing seem so... idk, undeserved? The show treats Qilby's wrongdoings in such a light-hearted manner, that it almost feels inappropriate. Genocide of an entire race is no silly matter to be throwing loaves of bread at (which Qilby quite literally does.)

His sacrifice for Yugo was also extremely out of character. I'm not French, but in the s4 episode where Qilby is dying after saving Yugo from Toross, Qilby says something along the lines of "before we are enemies, we are brothers" which oh mannn WHERE WAS THAT IN SEASON 2??? And then as Qilby dies, he says, "Good luck, my brother... my king," indicating that Qilby now acknowledges Yugo as the owner of the Eliatrope crown. But I find that so hard to believe, as in the manga, the whole reason Qilby harvested Ogornax's heart, and started a series of wars, was because he was angry that Yugo was crowned king, as it halted the Eliatropes' exploration of the cosmos.

((Some quick appreciation for older manga Yugo. We need this design back immediately🙏)) Why would he accept Yugo as his king now? Was it all an act to get on Yugo's good side to ensure Yugo saves the universe that Qilby hopes to explore and exploit later in the future? Or am I just reading too much into it? Also, we can't forget that Qilby is quite literally insane, and was shown to harbor dark feelings against Yugo after having been imprisoned for thousands of years in the White Dimension. Add that to what I said earlier, and you begin to question how and why did Qilby suddenly change attitudes in Season 4? Lmk your thoughts because Qilby still confuses me.

Because this post is already getting quite long, I'll touch on just one more subject that annoyed me in s3/s4: Yugo and Amalia's relationship. I do love them, but I would've been just fine, maybe better, if Yugo was not romantically involved with anyone. Anyways, s3 picks up where the OVA left off on their relationship; they're both mutually attracted to each other and have a desire to be together. However, there is one major roadblock, which is obviously Yugo's physical appearance. There are other issues as well, but this problem is the most severe. Due to biological differences, Yugo ages at an extremely decelerated rate compared to Amalia (I think just the 6 main Eliatropes suffer from this, as the other Eliatropes seemed to have aged regularly in the manga.) He appears as he did in s1/s2, just slightly taller, but he looks like he's around 13-14 years old. Physically, he's actually around 20-22 years old, and Amalia uses this fact to help justify why is okay for them to be together, describing him as "a man in a child's body." (Idek where to begin or how to feel about that, but oh-key...) Some time after, Yugo and "Ruel" (Sipho in disguise) have a talk about the former's feelings towards the Sadida. Yugo feels conflicted on whether his feelings are romantic or not, and voices his frustrations concerning Amalia's failure to listen to or understand him. He also talks about how he's struggling to grapple with his longevity, and what that really means for him in the long run. Whaddya know, Amalia is eavesdropping the entire time, and begins to cry and grow irritated with him. To me, it seems like she failed to see the central issues Yugo is dealing with: 1) He doesn't feel ready for anything serious because 2) He's likely going to live for thousands of years. She instead gets peeved that he's still hesitant on his feelings and that he called her egotistical (which girl, c'mon you can't complain when you literally called him the same thing moments before in front of Ruel and Elely.) Heartbreak is hard, but this outcome should have been expected. Yugo looks like a child, Amalia looks like an adult, and if they were to be together, it would super weird and inappropriate.

A lot of other things happen in s3, but I do want to touch on Oropo and Amalia. Oropo takes Amalia alone and kisses her in the sky, and Amalia, after discovering Oropo's physical likeness to Yugo, lets him kiss her again (in front of Yugo no less) She even defends Oropo when Yugo tries to challenge the Eliotrope, telling Yugo basically to give up, and that she no longer needs him now that an "older, more experienced" version of him is now in the picture. At the very least, I'm relieved that Amalia shows that she wants to be together with a physical adult, but also, girl?? Some guy shows up, claims to be basically the same person as your crush, and you just roll with it? Dawg be fr. Anyways, Oropo's intention of basically blowing up the World of Twelve in order to destroy the gods comes to light, Amalia decides he's a freak and goes running back to Yugo. She gives this little speech of why Yugo's better than Oropo, Yugo and her hug as a way to make up I guess, and then they kinda(?) kick Eliotrope butt (they escape thanks to Echo ((rest in power queen)) but a win is a win.) Season 4 comes out and they're backing to holding hands, hugging, and giving goodbye kisses. What? Like no, I'm sorry, but they have been fighting on and off for the entirety of the last season and they still haven't talked together about the things Yugo was meaning to discuss on the Enutrof level, but now everything is alright? I was sure that the 'Oropo kiss' incident would be brought up in s4, but it never was. On top of that, despite having shown resistance towards pursuing a relationship with Amalia in s3, Yugo throws all cares out the window in s4, and just does whatever. She becomes his motivation for everything, which idk, I kind of don't really like it when a character makes their love interest their sole reason for living??

I could talk more on the Yugo/Amalia relationship because there's so many more issues that I did not cover in the above paragraph, but I think I'll just leave it at that. I'll put this out there, I do like s3 and s4, and it's really a shame s4 only got 13 episodes to cover a story I believe could've been super successful with 24 episodes. However, s1 and s2 will always be my favorites😋

I guess that's all, I would love to hear other people's thoughts and opinions on s3&s4 because it'd be interesting to see if you guys saw the same issues I did in this "critique."

(Also, just want to credit HumanDisapointment on Reddit for the awesome colorings of the manga pages!)

#wakfu #ankama #wakfu season 4 #wakfu yugo #wakfu amalia #wakfu season 3 #wakfu analysis #wakfu qilby

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ol-files · 1 year ago

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WAKFU Season 4 is entering the final stretch! Everyone wants to reunite with the Brotherhood of the Tofu, and we can't wait to share this new season with all of you! As always, here's a sneak peek at a bit of new content with some of our favorite characters: (images) The animation for episode 11 is complete, and we're approaching the end of the season! The marathon continues for the compositing team as well, as they set to work on episode 10. On the editing side, we're up to episode 8. And our work doesn't stop there, because our beloved characters need voices as well! Casting and recording of the French voices is finished for episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and the Oropo special episode. Last but not least, our teams are getting started on the mixing for episode 4 after finishing the first three and the one focused on Oropo. Long story short, we're almost to the finish line! But keep your eyes peeled. We may have some good news to share with you in the coming weeks…

#wakfu possible spoiler #wakfu spoiler #wakfu season 4

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larebiscornue · 10 months ago

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Strobe light warning for episode Oropo

As far as I know, I don't have any problems with photosensitivity, but I was watching Episode Oropo and one moment got so overwhelming with many flashing lights I had to look away and rest for a bit, so if you are a wakfu fan with photosensitivity issues then please be careful! Wakfu, especially this episode can have rapid light visuals but this one was too much.

Without spoilering much, it's near the last ten minutes of the special, when Oropo and Grougaloragran touch the eliacube and end up near space.

Feel free to boost!

#wakfu #wakfu season 4 #wakfu saison 4 #episode oropo #photosensitivity #yugo #tristepin #oropo #eliacube #I hope these tags suffice. sorry the clutter but I hope these can reach as much people as possible!#ankama #krosmoz

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cocogum · 10 months ago

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I’m so happy to find someone giving a review for this episode so thoroughly.

I read your whole opinion on the matter and I’d like to share my thoughts on it:

I agree on all of the good points you enumerated for this special episode although I’d also like to add some more to it. 👇

#1: Echo’s hands have a reason to be black.

There were details in the episode that actually made me smile and understand why some of the characters are looking the way they do in the series and I’m happy that I noticed them. First of all, we got Echo’s hands. When I first saw her fingers in the manga, I didn’t really think much about them since I thought they were black because she had claws or something along the lines of that. She is part dragon after all so I thought that it would’ve made sense. The same thing happened when I saw her in The Quest for the Six Eliatrope Dofus episodes where her fingers looked sharper than usual, making me think that those were definitely claws of some kind. It was only until the Oropo episode that I finally understood that she got ashy hands because of Grougal’s fire.

#2: Echo’s behavior towards Chibi and Grougal in the manga is more clear now.

One thing that not many people were talking about, was how, in the Wakfu manga, Echo’s way of behaving towards Chibi and Grougal felt rude or maybe even unnecessarily unjustified. Back then, when the Oropo episode hadn’t come out yet, Echo acted very standoffish towards these two and even looked a bit apprehensive when baby Chibi wanted to touch her in the manga. She also talked poorly about Grougal, saying how dragons were ugly to look at, and even grabbed Grougal by one of his wings.

Her slight fear of the contact and the disrespectful wing grabbing would make much more sense if it was because she remembered that time she almost got burned by Grougal and witnessed Chibi’s fiery attitude.

#3: Grougal’s blindness is finally explained.

Another thing was Grougal’s eyes. At first, back when I first watched season 1, I thought Grougal was only blind because of old age but it turns out it was because of the Eliacube. It was a nice touch and I kinda like the idea.

#4: The eliotrope designs actually do make sense.

Another thing that I liked and that I would very much want to add to the good parts, would have to be the eliotrope designs. Yes, I know it’s a bit odd that their current designs don’t really reflect how the eliotropes look like in the game.

But I made myself a small explanation for it:

I believe that the reason why they may seem so physically different from their game counterparts would be because of the difference between the player and the character. When you’re in the game and you choose the eliotrope class, you start with the default look (where you basically look like Yugo). Some players would rather keep those looks while others would gradually change certain things as they keep playing the game. I feel like that’s what we’re seeing here too. The possible reason why the eliotropes may look very different from how they started was because they want to look as different as possible from their father, their creator. Remember, they despise Yugo. And when you look like your creator that you hate, you’d make sure to not physically look like him at all costs so that you won’t hate yourself in the process. It’s also a way to help them differentiate from each other and see what makes them unique.

Just like in the game, all the eliotropes look the same because that’s how they start. But they then try to physically change (whether they realize it or not) to make themselves look more distinguishable from their creator. For example, when we saw Oropo as a kid, he looked exactly like Yugo only with brown hair. But when we see him grown up, he looks nothing like him.

#5: There was a good reason why Chibi and Grougal thought Oropo was Yugo for a second.

I also like the fact that Grougal and Chibi were able to instantly realize the connection between Oropo and Yugo simply by looking at their wakfu energy and immediately concluding that it’s the same. Now THAT is a good and logical way to make Grougal and Chibi think that they were facing Yugo at first glance (unlike the way Amalia thought Oropo was Yugo 💀)

#6: Chibi’s design actually makes sense.

Now don’t get me wrong, when I watched the special episode at first, I was also a bit weirded out by how Chibi looked. I wasn’t a huge fan of the nonexistent eyebrows and the hair. But when I went back to look at Chibi’s design from other sources, I began to understand how his looks made some sense as to why it would’ve ended up like this.

First, you mentioned how bulky he was which might’ve been a problem for you since you never perceived him to look like that.

But I can assure you that Chibi has actually always been bulky. Even in Qilby’s explanation, showing us somewhat of a flashback, we can see Chibi’s build in it and he looks quite strong and much more bulky than the others. (I suggest looking at his arms in this pic to see what I mean by that.)

But then if he was always built, then why does his hair look less ruffled and more like it got cleanly cut in the ends when he was last seen alive (before getting reborn)?

Also, the lack of eyebrows and short beard appeared out of nowhere but there is a good reason for them. Chibi simply aged. Ever since the planet, which was later going to be called ‘The World of Twelve’, had first been used by the twelve gods, Chibi and Grougal have been living in it since the beginning of its creation.

It wouldn’t be far-fetched to think that Chibi was so old by this point that he just happened to change his style. This would explain why he now had a hairy chin when we never saw him looking like this before. It could even explain his choice of clothing as well as his lack of eyebrows. Time simply passed and Chibi just decided to change clothes and got a hairy chin. He’s an oldie after all, the guy sucks at choosing any styles 😭

#7: The way Chibi died makes sense.

Some people might have been wondering why Chibi died by some stasis beam after decades of being alive. Because of his longevity, it wasn’t far-fetched to think that it was a bit underwhelming to see him die in a situation like this. But it made me think for a second. There was a reason why Atone (the masked eliotrope) chose to stab Chibi in the heart with a stasis beam and NOT a wakfu one. Sure, if they pierced Chibi with a beam made of wakfu, it would’ve hurt Chibi but not to the extent where he would die from the attack. That’s why Aton resulted in using stasis instead.

Earlier in the episode, Grougaloragran had precisely stated that using stasis is a shameful way of fighting, implying that it’s a type of taboo to use it in the first place.

The reason why he says this is because stasis is the total opposite of wakfu. The simplest explanation I can give you is that Wakfu is the source of life of all things while Stasis is just death and nothingness.

To be pierced by a stasis beam is a serious attack since it can severely damage a person’s body. And since Chibi got pierced in the heart, that was a fatal wound and he won’t recover from it because the beam went straight through the source.

Not only that but there was also an assassination attempt later in the episode. When Oropo was in a frozen state, he almost got killed by one of his comrades who was ready to stab him to death with a weapon made of stasis, therefore, encouraging the fact that stasis is deadly and can never be reversible.

#8: Chibi’s death is making me understand the eliatrope anatomy more.

Unlike the races from the World of Twelve, we barely know how the body of an eliatrope works in death or how they even manage to take care of their antlers (yeah I’m gonna call them that cuz it sounds very fitting).

But now that we had a good look at Chibi, there are two things I understood about the eliatrope race and how their bodies work after death:

A) When an Eliatrope dies, their antlers disappear, leaving them with a body completely devoid of wakfu, turning it into an empty shell. (I suspected that the antlers were going to become something else after death back when the special Oropo episode didn’t come out yet but I didn’t want to say my thoughts out loud because I did not want to misinform anyone)

B) When an ORDINARY eliatrope dies, their bodies just stay there and start to decompose like any other body. But when an eliatrope from the COUNCIL OF SIX dies, their bodies also seem to rot like anyone else instead of disappearing into thin air. I guess that the original six eliatropes also die the same way as any life form but their old bodies from their other lives rot alone while their Wakfu goes back to their respective dofus in order to make that same body again for their next life.

Now that I’m all done with the positives, it’s time I also talk about the negative points of this special episode.

(But unlike you however, I have much less to say lol)

#1: Grougal and Chibi do not question where Oropo and his group came from or even what Oropo is.

One thing that bothered me about Chibi and Grougal’s reactions when they see Oropo and the others, is that they are shocked when they recognize Yugo’s wakfu in each of them but don’t question where they all came from or why they even possess the same aura as Yugo. Like, Yugo is your brother, a demigod eliatrope with his own dragon brother, he’s literally one of a kind! How can you not question this situation any further other than ‘oh they all got the same wakfu as Yugo’???

#2: Chibi is completely comfortable taking off his hood.

This really bothered me. On so many levels.

Now I know that if I’m annoyed at Chibi for being fine revealing his wakfu-shaped antlers, then I should also feel the same for Oropo but no.

I’m not annoyed or bothered by Oropo doing that since he’s an Eliotrope NOT an Eliatrope, so his kind obviously doesn’t have the same rules or conditions or even beliefs as the eliatropes. This means that if Oropo took off his hat, no one would blink or react in any way. Oropo has been seen taking off his cloak numerous times: when he was alone with Echo in his chamber, when he’s around the other eliotropes, when he was fighting the Brotherhood of the Tofu, when he was facing Chibi and Grougal, etc.

But the eliatropes? There have been a lot of times where it is implied that taking off their hats in front of anyone (or even in front of their own kind) can provoke an immediate reaction or a sort of hesitation on their part. A strong example of this would be Yugo. We never see him taking his hat off and the only time where he did take it off is when he and his group were in the Justice prison and he told them to turn around so he’d be able to have his privacy taking it off. The children in Emrub, despite all of them being eliatropes, never take their hats off.

#3: WHY TF DID GROUGAL THROW THE ELIACUBE IN THE SEA?!?!?????

Grougal: “The Eliacube is dangerous.”

Also Grougal: *throws the Eliacube in the sea*

No but no joke, this is exactly what happened.

WHY DID HE DO THAT?!!??!???

Like why, just why????

You have the responsibility to keep the Eliacube AWAY from HARM. So why would you THROW IT IN THE SEA WHERE IT COULD GO STRAIGHT TO PEOPLE?!???

By that logic, if Grougal knew exactly what he was doing, then Nox’s demise didn’t really start because of Oropo. It happened because this DUMBASS threw the Eliacube where OROPO WAS STUCK IN IT IN THE FUCKING SEA!!!!!!!!!

I’m sorry but this really annoyed the crap out of me. I just yelled like a hyena when I saw him doing that the first time.

Of all the things I didn’t like about the Oropo special episode, THIS was the one thing that truly pissed me off. It literally made me want to gouge my eyes out because of the sheer stupidity this moron did.

Now maybe he did this without thinking and was acting on his emotions because he just lost Chibi.

And I would’ve accepted that excuse if it wasn’t for the fact that the Eliacube had been one of the reasons why the Eliatrope race fled their planet!!!

Like come on man, you had the responsibility to keep the thing with you for decades, centuries, and millenniums, and you’re telling me you’re throwing it away now??? If anything, it’s especially at times like these where you SHOULDN’T HAVE THROWN THE DAMN THING CUZ OROPO GOT STUCK IN IT!!! Actually scratch that, you just DON’T THROW IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PERIOD.

Who knows what Oropo could do now that he’s inside it, he could do anything with the cube now that he got fused with it. He could possibly get stronger with it or MANIPULATE A MORTAL UNTIL IT RUINS HIS LIFE BY CAUSING SUFFERING FOR 200 YEARS WHEREVER HE GOES, but nah Grougal just threw it cuz…cuz why not????

Grougal and Nox’s fight from season 1 is now so ironic to rewatch because Grougal had no idea that he was currently facing the severe consequence of his actions and Nox had no idea that he was not only facing a very powerful dragon he could use, but he was also facing the very dragon responsible for making him get the Eliacube in the first place.

I swear the part where Grougal threw the cube like it was nothing was what made me struggle with my brain, it took me a second to process what just happened.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with knowing that Nox got manipulated by Oropo (or that he was just plainly insane) because he was actually the one talking to him in the cube, but I don’t like that it was Grougal who even threw the cube to his direction, much less for not having a very clear reason as to why he did it in the first place.

#4: How did Oropo leave the Eliacube? Play the game to find out.

So….how did Oropo get out of the Eliacube?

….

Uh….I’m confused????

Cuz…we don’t see anything about that.

The only time where we THINK he might have come out of the Eliacube was after Yugo gave it to the Eliatropes but even then, how did he get out and leave Emrub with the cube????

I just- and after so long too cuz Oropo was stuck in the Eliacube since the Dofus age! Or who knows, maybe even before that era cuz the episode did not specify when this all took place.

I gotta say there was actually a way that he got out though. But to know the answer, we have to play his game called “One More Gate”. You can play it on Steam or on the Nintendo Switch but even then, it’s still weird how the continuation (and ending) of his imprisonment concluded in a game.

#5: Chibi’s personality….yikes.

Yeah so um….I hate it??

I can genuinely excuse Chibi’s design due to all the reasons I provided above but his personality is definitely a disappointment.

I can also excuse the fact that he doesn’t know how to properly use the Eliacube since that thing has been coddled by Qilby for who knows how long. I doubt any of the other Council of Six members knew how to use it either anyway. The only one who had an idea of how it worked was Qilby because his sole passion is to research and experiment with things (not to mention that he was also the one who stole it from Orgonax and made some modifications to it) which is why he looked like he knew what he was doing when he was using the Eliacube in season 2.

So Chibi not knowing how the Eliacube works does make some sense. It’s his loud personality that doesn’t.

We have been told time and time again that Chibi was a calm and collected man who makes wise decisions and gets visions of the Eliatrope goddess or things that could harm the Eliatrope race (he also used to be the old king but that information might have been retconned).

So if he’s such a collected and wise man, why do we see him acting like a bull here??? That doesn’t make any sense.

So here’s all I gotta say for the special episode. Even if it seemed like the episode had odd mistakes in it and could have been improved, I don’t think it’s a reason to be worried about season 4.

Ankama’s special episodes about certain characters often have mistakes or alterations compared to where the main character of the episode came from one of the Dofus mangas or a separate comic entirely.

For example, the Goultard special episode, altered a bit of Goultard’s backstory since it was way too inappropriate for the general audience to see it. Another special episode that got a bit altered was the Ogrest one. Dathura looked like a pure child in it while in the manga, she was a major hottie.

And these are just a few examples that I can currently think about.

Things like alterations or changes to characters in special episodes that wouldn’t be their common selves happen all the time with Ankama. There are many reasons why they would purposely change a few details about certain characters: 1) Maybe the channel in which they presented the episode wanted them to change certain things so they could be able to make them censor some parts. 2) Maybe Ankama prefers to make some unique changes to those characters, having their own special episodes to try their hands on their creativity but would keep their usual designs or personalities in their places.

Who knows, really.

I just realized that that usually happens in their special episodes.

Wakfu Oropo OAV : Why I love to hate it

Hum, sorry not sorry, but you read correctly, dear Kosmoz's traveller it is time to give my opinion on the latest Ankama OAV focusing on Oropo's background, and well... Let's at least start with the good parts.

A long forgotten animation we love

The title screen framing Oropo's figure, graphically underlying he will be the center of this story is quite nice. There are few other choices of composition that are also really good and meaningful.

The animation is still... Well it's Ankama : it gives energy in the fight scene, emotion when needed, it is colorful yet pale (underlying maturity after a childish beginning for the series).

The Eliotropes' design and presentation : so nice to see more charcaterisation of this race we have still so much to uncover ! And I LOVE to see "bad eliotropes", especially this little guy there ("Rictus" in french), because if Eliotropes are Yugo's shadows, then it means that our dear "EliAtropes' king" is not as a white knight as we would like to see him ~

The fights are pretty cool

The music... well still awesome

Don't know about the english dub, but oh well, the french one is still very neat. Even if I can not help but to find that Chibi's way of ALWAYS screaming is just tiring in the long run...

AND THERE IT IS.

We have reached the end of the "good points", and oh boy... It can not be compared to the bad ones...

De Profundis : why this OAV should return to the White Dimension

CHIBI : he should NOT BE ALIVE !!! I KNOW that IoW is no more canon but the fact that he is still alive after the second war against Orgonax ? Bollocks ! And his character design ?! What is this ?

From now on... I will rename Chibi "no eyebrows stupid screamer"

And yeah... STUPID !!! For someone who is supposed to have outlived Orgonax and Qilby's "treason", how is it possible for him to be this nut-head ? He lost the fight at the end for what ? Because he only screams and yells and DID NOT THINK ONCE ! Talk about a Council's member : no shit Qilby became crazy with a brother like him for centuries.

And Grougaloragran, can we talk about him ? WHY IS HE FIGHTING NAKED ?!? Why does he not transform into his dragon version ?! WHY NOT USING ALL HIS POTENTIAL FACING SUCH A THREAT ?! And if he wants to stay in a more agile version, fine, but keep your damn clothes ON, please ! I mean, it brings up nothing interesting other than his abs : can we be serious for once ?

Chibi's death : no emotion. I mean, he does not seem very wise for his age, he does not listen to his brother, he does not talk about Yugo or perhaps his feelings about encountering other "versions" of his brother after so much time being appart from him. Did not particularly care about him at the beginning, hate him after seeing that version of the character.

THE FU**** CONSISTENCE WITH THE LORE ?! WHERE IS IT ?!

The fact that Oropo is held into the cube.... It could be a good idea, huh ? Yes, yes... he could become.... THE F***** VOICE THAT NOX IS HEARING, RIGHT ?!?! For which reason ? Why tossing the cube into the ocean ?! How does it come back in season one ?! Can't Nox be left alone and just be a great antagonist WITHOUT OROPO being "at the beginning of everything" ?!

Ankama is probably going to follow that last idea, aren't they ? So, like at the end of the 3rd season, we're gonna have the "it was Oropo's plan"... Thanks, really.

Hum.... Did Oropo really though that they could take out a freacking dragon ? Like... He's Yugo's shadow : he knew that Grougal was powerful. Why not trying to sneak out ?

Because of that choice to show "fighting" instead of sneacking, we were stuck 30 minutes on a beach. There was only few different backgrounds with flashbacks (and we already knew that beach from season one, so not even something new).

Hum, I love the design of all the Eliotropes, but... WHY ARE THEY SO DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL ?! I mean, the saga is supposed to be part of the game too ! You're going to tell me that there are all different even though all the in-game Eliotropes have the same design ? And what about the fact that their design are litteraly caricatures of their personality ? Same note for their names ("'"poet" ? "rictus" ? "bouillon" ?) ! I mean, we're not children, and gosh, it is so... plain ! Can't they have nuances ?!

The dialogues... Lame. No emotions. No good humor. No really good informations : I had the the impression to see children taunting each other each time someone was talking.

Oropo being full of disdain towards his brothers and sisters when they are talking and suggesting other plans but being full-emotional when one of them dies : once again, show why his characterization is a fail.

Aton's death : "you were a brother... A sister... Whatever..." Is this a non-bineary reference here ? WHY ? I mean, it is not bad to have more diversity, quite the contrary but its just... there. No explanation, And for a antagonist with "no emotion" : what a great depiction for this stigmatized group... And who dies at the end... If it was just to put a reference to LGBTQ and + because its trendy or because you have a to-do list to check, please don't.

Why is Grougaloragran using his adversaries' names like he knows them even he just met them ?

The Eliacube showed Oropo the destruction of the Eliatropes' world after Orgonax came, or some kind of destruction. And he still wants to use it... Genius.

Well, I think I will stop this monolog here.

I will gladly exchange with whoever want to share their own experience of this OAV.

To conclude : I will not recommend this OAV for something else than the animation. The story is sh*t, the characters are a pain in the eliacube and I can't help but fear for the 4rth season after watching this...

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mizaryroku · 1 year ago

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We just see the special Oropo episode.... Oh damn!

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cocogum · 6 months ago

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Guess what I got on the Nintendo Shop…

Ever since the special oropo episode ended, I’ve been dying to get the game just so I can see what happens after it.

I can’t believe it recently came out in the Nintendo Shop I literally don’t know why it didn’t come out earlier when we had news of it for so long but I’m just glad it’s here now.

Anyways, I’ll play the full thing when I’m free and then we’ll see what we’re dealing with lol

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cocogum · 6 months ago

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“-he's actually a mere sexually repressed clone-child that's unable to grow up due to the very nature of his existence.”

EYO THIS IS TOO ACCURATE WHAT-

That quote sounds so ridiculous at first read but it makes painfully so much sense when we reread it again….

I can’t believe you took your time to justify yourself by making this in the size of an essay…Girlie even did some actual research to back this all up are you kidding me-

I ended up getting fixated on the whole thing for a short while before blinking my eyelids again cuz they ended up getting dry. But damn! This was genuinely good to read! “the child wish to usurp the parent whose at the receiving end of the kid’s sexual attraction, and to overcome said urge, identifies with the parent”

This is literally what we got.

Oropo; the ideology of power behind being god: Part 3

Doing an analysis on Oropo proved to be a messy, disorganised process, not all that different from the actual character's actions themselves.

Every time I have tried doing this, I ended up saying nothing worthwhile and mostly just rumbled for a bit without reaching any meaningful conclusion; but I feel like I've finally found something that's actually important and can help the discussions surrounding the character.

Buckle up cause it's time for me to introduce to you all a little something also known as:

The complex of Oedipus

Conceived in 1909 by the Austrian psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud (1856-1939), the Complex of Oedipus is a section of the written paper "Analysis of a Phobia in a Five-Year-Old Boy" in which Freud outlined the fear of horses of a boy known as "Little Hans".

The psychoanalyst determined that the boy's terror was due to feelings of anger he had internalised. According to Freud, all small boys choose their mother as their primary object of desire. They subconsciously wish to usurp their father and become their mother's lover. These desires appear between the ages of 3 and 5, when a boy is in what Freud defines as the "phallic" stage of development.

This stage represents an important point in the formation of sexual identity. The analogous experience for girls is known as the Electra complex, in which girls feel a desire for their father and jealousy of their mother. The child, however, suspects that acting on these feelings would lead to danger, thus he/she represses his/her desires. This leads to anxiety.

In order to resolve the conflict, the boy then identifies with his father and the girl with her mother. It is at this point that a superego is formed; it becomes an internalisation of the parental figure that strives to suppress the ID's impulses and make the ego act upon these idealistic standards.

The ID, ego and superego are, as described by Freud, the three main parts of the human mind that develop our personality through their interactions.

The ID is the most primitive. Within the ID are all the inherited components of personality we are born with, including the sex instinct, the Eros and the instinct towards aggression. The ID operates entirely unconsciously; it does not change with time or experience, since it is not related to the external world.

The ego is the rational, pragmatic part of our personality. It's less primitive than the ID and is both conscious and unconscious; it represents what may be called reason and common sense. Freud used the word "ego" to mean a set of psychic functions such as judgment, tolerance, reality testing, control, planning, defense, synthesis of information, intellectual functioning and memory.

The superego is concerned with social rules and morals, and covers what many would refer to as "conscience". It develops around the age of 3-5 and it consists of two systems: the conscience and the ideal self. The conscience is a part that can punish the ego by making it feel guilty. The ideal self, on the other hand, creates an imaginary picture of how you ought to be, and deals with ambition and social behaviour, including how you treat others and how to be a useful member of society.

According to Freud, the ID, ego and superego, are in constant conflict so that adult personality and behaviour are directly from the results of these internal childhood struggles.

The parallels

So, now that we have established what the Complex of Oedipus is, it is time to see how it connects back to our deranged owl man and to the entire race of the Eliotropes.

At this point though, I have to make a brutal yet sad confession: I have not watched the fourth season of Wakfu nor the Oropo special with all of the new Eliotropes, so all I'm going to focus entirely on Oropo for this analysis and hope that somebody else who has watched season 4 can piece together what aspects of Freud research are present in which Eliotrope and how it all ties back to Yugo.

For now, we can see how the first four paragraphs of the document have unsettling similarities to the entire concept and actions of Oropo and the Eliotropes.

Now, we need to consider that Freud at the time probably didn't take bisexuality and other gender identities as things an individual was born with; because in the case of the Electra complex we need to remember that all female Eliotropes are canonically lesbians, as reiterated by @cocogum in this post , thus, the more modern (or at least the most Wakfu relevant) interpretation of the two complexes that we should consider is: "the child wish to usurp the parent whose at the recieving end of the kid's sexual attraction, and to overcome said urge, identifies with that parent". I could make a different case for bisexuality, but it's not relevant.

The important thing about these two complexes is explaining why Oropo feels so much attraction for Amalia to not be able to contain himself even with Lady Echo. The entire concept behind the Eliotropes is that they were incomplete parts of Yugo that came into existence by accident and couldn't survive nor have an identity of their own without Yugo.

For how much Oropo plays himself up as this secretive master planner, he's actually a mere sexually repressed clone-child that's unable to grow up due to the very nature of his existence.

Finally appreciating canon Oropo: the trilogy's finale.

I feel like, once I learned about the connection between Sigmund Freud and Oropo, I finally started to care a little bit about the guy and the entirety of the Eliotrope's race. Granted, this analysis does fix the many problems and qualms I have with the character; like, if his writing problems limited themselves to the season 3 finale then I could pass it off as just the sad, miserable conclusion of a doomed existence, but no. Unfortunately, Oropo has problems even in the manga and ova created solely to expand on his character, it's like Tot is completely unable to give his writing pet the necessary traits to make him an antagonist worthy of the Wakfu's standards, and instead just uses him for cool visuals and to fill in the untold parts of the lore.

He came up with a truly brilliant concept reminiscing the psychoanalysis of the 19th century, and couldn't find a way to explore said concept in a meaningful way because he had to turn it into a fight. Naturally, this isn't just a Wakfu problem, this is an anime and media problem at large, where we necessarily have to resolve conflicts into a battle because otherwise the audience could feel bored and disinterested in the final product.

This is a problem that carries over to the Avatar franchise, where the creators tried to have meaningful political commentary and couldn't find a meaningful way to have it that didn't involve a fight, because, if they don't turn it into a fight of good and evil, then the audience could feel scared at the prospect of such a challenging, morally compromising story.

To me, Oropo would have been a far more interesting character if he just wanted to overthrow the gods for their selfishness and wanted Yugo to approve his decisions because he was his creator and he loved him.

Could have made for a far more interesting story than just simply going back to the status quo and compromising it only through the inclusion of the Necromes, who pretty much just sought destruction and didn't really change the hierarchy in a meaningful manner.

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