#opinion on ai

[desklamper]

My stance on AI

Look, i know its a controversial topic, but, I just want to have my take on it.

I think ai is need when it's used for fun, just messing around and stuff.

What I don't support however is people passing off AI created content as their own.

Just because you told the AI what to do, dosnt mean you made it, the AI did.

I'm also not a big fan of certain corporations harvesting people's hard work to train their ai with.

I understand stuff in the public domain being used to train the AI, But What I don't approve of specifically is people scraping data from all over the internet, taking peoples creations and whatnot, and cramming it into an AI designed for profit.

It's never right to steal from someone, let alone using stolen content to train AI in order to replicate said content.

In all honesty, I belive there is a difference between recreational AI usage and people trying to profit from ai.

I'm fine if ppl make AI chatbots of my characters, use ai for fun, or just messing around with it

I'm not fine if people try to scrape all of my stuff to make crappy ai copies of it though.

Point being, AI can be cool, It can be scary

BUT Don't pass that shit off as your own bud, you ain't slick

Apologies for the semi rant semi explanation.

-Desklamper

[pupsandartwork]

no to ai when a big company uses it

yes to ai for when some random person on the internet wants to make a project for fun but can’t afford to hire people to help them. It’s better then being paid in exposure

[bajuuuu]

On AI generated writing (and AI art in general)

Okay so I think I will have an unpopular opinion but I want to say something about AI generated writing and the way people look at it. I think AI writing programs are awesome! They are absolutely cool and it’s insane how far has this field grown and evolved to the point of remembering what it already wrote and being able to create coherent works! I love this! I think it creates some cool new opportunities, allows people to get help in writing if they want, allows them to mess around with possibilities and overall has the potential to make the whole writing process easier or even more fun.

What I think we should be lashing against is the people behind the AI programs. Because the AI doesn’t care what input it is fed and will consume anything it is given, we should hold the people feeding it accountable. There should be major discussions about the sticks of this, there should be laws put into place against taking people’s creations if they don’t consent to it. These laws should be talked over with the artists as well as the people creating the AI so that everyone can reach a consensus. (And as unrealistic as that sounds I think it could be done). I don’t think that the AI itself is at fault here or that it shouldn’t exist. I also don’t think we are getting replaced (as I’ve seen many people say). Guys it’s okay human art and AI art can coexist.

So I don’t think we should spam AO3 (or any site for that matter) with junk (An opinion that has been growing popular recently). We should push the creators of the AI to work with the art community instead of against it. I am of course against the monetization part, no one should take the art of anyone else without credit and/or monetary reward but this is yet again the fault of the people behind the AI, not the fault of the AI concept as a whole.

TLDR. We shouldn’t stop supporting AI in general, but should stop supporting people who use unethical sources to create said AI.

[bajuuuu]

THIS is so incredibly important when talking about AI! It’s a tool first and foremost! It spits out only want you put in! Which becomes really scary really quickly if people with wrong intentions get access to this tool!

Machine learning is exactly what it says on the tin- a machine that learns from a source. It’s up to the people who make these algorithms to understand the implicit (and explicit) biases their program will have given the data they put in.

The whole idea of calling it AI- Artificial Intelligence is just wishful thinking at this point and will probably be for a while. It ain’t intelligent. It’s an artificial parrot that is really really good at combining stimuli and repeating them back to you. AI will never give you any new information that you yourself haven’t fed into it.

It’s amazing for combining ideas, it’s amazing at recognising patters which are really really useful things in many fields of work. But it ain’t perfect. It’s amazing bay what it can do but really shit at anything else.

This is why it is so important to be critical and double check everything you generate using image generators and text-based AI.

[impulsivelycontentious]

I need people to know that not everyone CAN develop the skills they're using AI for. Like, not everyone can do everything my cats.

And it's still not ok to use AI. It's an ethical clusterfuck.

No one can do everything. We don't steal other people's work, swap some words around, and pretend WE did it by large. And those who do become pariahs - for good reason.

People are limited. It sucks, and it is also not an excuse.

By the same token it also doesn't matter how good it is. It will ALWAYS be mediocre because it's a language model and it's based on collective works, therefore cannot do anything particularly unusual or new. But that's not the point. The point is plagiarism doesn't get better just because the stuff you changed a bit came out well. Doong it badly just adds extra layers of insult.

[thegreatestheaver]

[non-beanary]

Do you think it'll creep the aliens out when we're really good at spotting ai or robots, like the uncanny valley. Maybe they don't have that and they're like wow you're so good at spotting the difference and oh wow how come your species' eye for detail dramatically got better in the 2020's and we're like haha yeh idiots on our planet used ai to take away one of our authentic human joys instead of using it to allow us to have a better life so we can pursue art ourselves, crazy right? anyway do you want the blargelsnarf or the lemon flavoured donut?

[mcromwell]

AI shit is artificially inflated to appear like "the future", "the way of the future", "new standard" etc.

Remember a couple years ago who was saying the same type of shit?

Crypto bros.

Remember all the companies that adopted NFTs and crypto payment options from the hype? Compare that to the state of crypto now.

Brands are easily swayed by smooth talking tech nerds looking to make a lot of money fast and then split when the tech ends up not performing as well as advertised or too expensive to sustain long term. Or when the public gets bored. They got bored of NFTs, it wouldn't surprise me if AI generated shlock becomes solely synonymous with bootlegs and the companies already producing cheap crap.

This article goes into it a bit more, here's a quote.

"Would it surprise you to learn that OpenAI is also not making any money, and relies on investments from venture capital to stay in the black? Because they are not making any money and rely on investments to stay in black. Part of this is because of the technology itself: according to Microsoft, which has invested $13 billion into OpenAI, they lose money each time a user makes a request using their AI models."

Stay strong, y'all. I'm not saying this tech isn't harmful (it is super harmful) but the situation is not hopeless.

[notherpuppet]

What is your opinion of AI? Personally, I think that like any technology, it depends on the user and their intentions, but that is just me.

What about you?

1. Theft

The most central issues with AI as it is now is that the programs were trained/are trained with STOLEN art. Stolen visual art, music, writing, etc.

The vast majority of what it has been fed is stolen. As in, the artists behind the work were not ever given the chance to consent nor be compensated for their works being used to feed the machine.

This reason alone is straight up copyright infringement and the optimist in me does believe the long arm of the law is gonna shut these programs down for that. But the long arm of the law is looooooong, and the technology is disrupting people’s livelihoods now. Unlike robots or machinery that was invented and built to expedite assembly line/factory work, this technology is only functional by using other people’s labor. If we didn’t live in a society where you have to “earn” your right to live in it, then this would still be wrong, but it probably wouldn’t be such an existential problem.

There are active class action lawsuits for infringement of copyright. And the private sector has begun filing suits and I’m quite certain they’ll win because again—it’s simply theft. These companies did not make licensing contracts, they’re not paying royalties to the artists they stole from.

So if you consider using ai that generates “art” (whether it is visual, music, writing, etc.) please consider stopping immediately, as you would actively be benefiting from theft (which is wrong imo!!!!)

2. AI in its present form dishonors the human spirit

In my personal relationship with AI technology, I do not use it to generate ideas or ‘art’. I detest the notion to use technology in that way tbh. AI is a form of technology, so it’s difficult to break it down into every specific use it actually has. But here’s an attempt; no to generative AI, okay to certain AI.

There are kinds of AI programming in the programs I use (such as features that help you color in a shape quickly or make a perfect circle). This is useful tech (that requires zero IP theft) and I like it because it helps me by taking care of tedious tasks so that I have more time to spend in the creative and drawing processes. But I still choose the colors, I still draw the images, I still write the stories.

I think the way AI is used right now with a focus on “creative thinking” (where it’s not actually creating anything it’s just churning out other people’s *stolen* ideas and practice) is a total waste. AI being used as an assistant to help humans find information easily can be/has been swell. And requires no theft :D

But for whatever reason (greed, capitalism are my guesses), tech companies are leaning into a direction to replace creativity with AI?? I imagine the people behind this view the practice of art as tedious work because it is challenging??

But the beauty of art and the practice of it is that it allows humans to experience and overcome challenges with little to no stakes.

When society determines that is not a valuable use of human time, then I think we’ll all be significantly more miserable. If we allow a machine to be “creative” and leave us to only experience challenges with stakes—like survival (rent, putting food on the table).

So here are some examples of how I feel about AI uses;

AI to translate languages, find resources, discern malicious malware/spam from harmless messages > 👍🏽

AI to generate ideas/art for you > 🤢 Why??????? Why would you want that…that’s the most exceptional part of the human experience and you relinquish it to a bot trained on stolen ideas? 😭

[space-blue]

Must read. Here' s a snippet to motivate you :

For the still-not-convinced: If you need an AI to come up with ideas for you, you don’t even belong in the fucking room, because ‘coming up with ideas’ is literally the most basic level skill to have. A basketball player who can’t dribble doesn’t belong in the NBA, so why the fuck do you think you deserve a spot on my writing team if you need a computer to do what any goddamn fucking eight year old can do? Take the fucking hint, you fucking fraud: if you need AI to do the most basic tasks required of you as a writer, then you aren’t employable as a writer. Period. Fuck you. You’re a waste of everyone’s time.

[ratfromh]

wtf gordon thats so mean and inconsiderate of his feelings .. how would u feel if someone said thst to you

[casualavocados]

Why do you always use that to piss me off? ...It makes me happy. We agreed that I'm in charge of the bars. But you come here all the time to watch me. How am I supposed to lead my people? Use your head, okay? Suit yourself. What's the matter? Chen Yi. Chen Yi! [...] Don't make me worry.

Chen Bowen as CHEN YI & Chiang Tien as AI DI KISEKI: DEAR TO ME (2023)

[triglycercule]

i think the creators in the undertale multiverse is SUCH a creative concept and even though it's fourth wall breaking it's so amazing that it deserves to break the fourth wall

everytime other medias and games or stories break the fourth wall it's either taken unseriously (like pinkie pie from mlp or family guy cutaways) or people shit on it for being out of place and just a deus ex machina or something (hi3 i will NEVER hate you for including the players in the final arc) but the undertale multiverse completely subverts that. actually the entire MULTIVERSE is BASED on the concept that people are willing to make media and art and writing and that is what keeps these ocs and worlds and creations going and alive

the utmv isn't even a real thing. like it's not a fandom that spawned from a book or a movie or a show or game or comic. ok well it technically is but the undertale fandom and the undertale AUs fandon are two different things i think. like undertale aus ofc came from undertale but that's a whole seperate branch of things and sometimes those aus have NOTHING to do with undertale (looking at you dreamtale. and others.)

but the fact that a whole seperate branch of a fandom was created just because people wanted to expand on one tiny game and had so much love for it that it spawned this clusterfuck of a fandom is just so amazing to me. i don't think any other fandom has THIS extensive of a multiverse with aus where the people holding the pencils and typing words are so heavily engrained into the lore (ink and error i will forever love you for being aware of creators I AM AWARE OF YOU TOO!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!)

in other fandoms there's a strict canon for medias but in the utmv a lot of aus are just a brief concept and maybe some charactization and that's it (dusttale ily 4 this. dusttale is peak fiction). and if you like the concept enough you can make another concept based on it. and if someone else likes your au enough they might make another au based on it or write headcanons for it. and it's so cool that this fandom is kinda self sustaining in a way. undertale's probably never gonna get another update or game and even though deltarune has its connections its a completely seperate thing. but somehow the fandom is alive and still pumping out tons of amazing content

and the fact that we control all of these character's actions is so daunting but also so cool. like these characters do these things because we basically script them to do. we as creators are the ones drawing the angst or writing the shit posts. if a character is self aware of the creators that's just because we MADE them aware. so are they really aware or are we just pretending that we are. if a character is powerful that's just because we made them powerful. if a character hates the creators we made them hate us. if a character destroys aus we make them do that. but they don't actually feel that way or do those things, that's just what we tell them to do and i think that's really cool

ive yapped a lot about this topic (i still have so much more to say) but i'll hold it back and just talk about one last thing and that's headcanons and interpretations. I LOVE PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATIONS!!! I LOVE PEOPLE'S HEADCANONS FOR CHARACTERS!!! i love seeing how other people think the mtt (or other characters but i am a murder time trio fanatic) would interact or how they would act. i love seeing people's dumb comics of them bickering or making out (errrmmmmm) because it's all different. all these people came up with their own ideas and thoughts on how to expand these relatively basic concepts and it's all different because everyone's different and gone through different things <333

all in all i love you undertale multiverse. this fandom is one of the most unique i've ever had the joy of being in and i hope it never dies out (if it dies out what will happen to all of the amazing creations and worlds and people we've made 😕😕😕 ink will be sad. so pls don't die utmv)

[rainbowsuitcase]

Armys, don’t use AI

"But why? It’s cute!" It also looks realistic and not everyone will want to use it "because it’s cute." AI can be used to create fake porn, harmful and defamatory deepfakes or to spread misinformation.

"I don’t have those intentions!" By giving AI the prompts you do, you are actively helping train it to look more realistic (among other things), which could in the future help someone who does have the intentions to hurt BTS.

The same goes for AI created songs - you are helping train AI to sound more like them which, again, someone could in the future use to hurt them.

There is no middle ground here. There is no "oh, I only make it create nice stuff!" It doesn’t work that way.

Not to mention, that it’s disrespectful to real artists who spend hours working on their pieces, putting actual energy and love into them.

Not to mention, and now this is just my opinion, creating (half) naked pictures of them is disrespectful to BTS themselves. They always choose when they feel comfortable showing us their bodies (ex. music videos or photoshoots in contract with behind the scenes videos).

Arguing that it’s not really their bodies doesn’t make it better in my opinion. Because how do those fake bodies look? Thin and muscular and perfect, by mainstream beauty standards. We know that some members have struggled with their body image in the past, there’s a strong diet culture in the kpop industry in general and you, thirsting over those perfect, fake bodies are only encouraging it.

Say no to the robot. Enjoy the real BTS and support real artists. Please.

[rivkae-winters]

Lore.Fm Sources for the company

For legal reasons this is all a statement of my opinion, if this phrasing confuses please see my previous post [here]

Another rapid fire post since in my opinion that is the best way to stop a company from an attempt they might make to step in and alter a narrative.

This company, of five people, are as far [this thread can figure] the group behind lore.fm.

They are on Forbes 30 under 30.

The Forbes article above also specifies that they are certified on the ethereum block chain. In my opinion and to my knowledge we in the fandom space aren't large fans of crypto currency, nfts, etc. In my opinion and based on my limited prior experience I don't trust this app, after learning this information, to not scrape data or use it to train a model. In my opinion any involvement with crypto currency or ai models makes someone untrustworthy when they enter into the fandom space as a company.

[anartificialsatellite]

Can we not do the "Actually Internet Archive is terrible and awful in all ways and I knew all along" thing like you guys do to fandom people once someone gets tired of idolizing them and writes a call-out post?

For fuck's sake, I realize I'm asking a lot from the no nuance website, but please.

You realize this organization still provides a very important service despite the NEL stupidity and things like the Wayback Machine are indescribably important to preservation of digital and online culture, right

Like this isn't a fandom beef because Brewster Kahle is obnoxious, this is very serious.