#once it was clear that its vmin things became so obvious

[dasisugarun]

vmin of the day

[thoughts-on-bangtan]

I m sorry if this post makes u upset but honestly this is something i have been wondering a lot about. So i m sure the admis are aware of a theory that has existed for long time in t/k spaces that BH was holding t/k back. So wrt that we also know the boys recently became partners of BH by buying shares sometime in 2020. They also renewed their contracts in 2020. We also know tae has become happier and the famous t/k conversation took place in 2020. We can also see that t/k have more on (1/2)

screen interactions and are more frequently paired together since after the ITS convo and also appear to interact more with each other in various cobtent. Also there is a fall in j/k content no? I wonder if that theory was indeed true and that tae being happier could be bcoz of him getting to be more open with jk now and not hiding their relationship infront of the cameras and if that has anything to do with them being shareholders and the new contract. Bcoz this kinda makes sense to me (2/2)

Admin 1: The only thing with which you’ve upset me is by ignoring what I’ve said just a few posts ago about how the only ships I feel have actual potential of being ‘real’ are vmin and, to a certain degree, namjin, and how I’m more than open to talking about other duos etc as long as we talk about them as their real life friendships. Just yesterday I said that I don’t really care or pay attention to what other shippers do because it’s simply none of my concern. Why is that? Because no JK+ML ship has ever given me reason to go “huh?” or given me the impression there could be more than just friendship. Also, I’m not here to try and disprove other ships, or somehow try to convince anyone that my views are the only correct ones, I simply want to have a good time talking about vmin, namjin, and Bangtan, and that’s it, which I’ve said it yesterday as well.

I’ve been ARMY for many years now and yes, I’m more than aware of this theory because, in a way, it’s inescapable even if you try to stay clear of what T/K (and J/K) shippers are up to. And yet, despite that, for years my opinion on the topic has not changed in the slightest. I’ve written a whole post about ships and BH and how they are used for marketing purposes in rather obvious ways at times, how more screen time doesn’t immediately equal them being romantic (and the whole no screen time = no bond paradox), or BH “allowing” them to show off their relationship more, because that frankly, to me, sounds ridiculous.

Even if we’d entertain the idea for a moment, while also remembering that apparently T/K is still the biggest BTS ship, wouldn’t it make more sense for BH to show them? Because that would bring in more money? So, in that sense, hiding them wouldn’t make such sense business wise? Someone could argue that scarcity creates more demand, which once they do supply that demand, the money basically rains down on BH like crazy. And yet even that, to me, doesn’t really make all that much sense, given that they could just put T/K content behind a paywall, as in keep their interactions as paid content exclusives, but even that isn’t the case since apparently there hasn’t been much T/K shipper satisfying content even there. So, what exactly, would be the business point for BH to “hide” them? Remember, they are a company after all, not a matchmaking service.

Anyway, going back to my thoughts. We have 4 O’Clock followed by the knowledge that not that long after Tae started working on Happy Christmas, a duet for himself and Jimin which supposedly was too much for two members to sing it together (the implications here are rather clear), which was followed by Scenery (which has clear connections to the same event as in 4 O’clock and to Jimin), and add to all of that what Tae replied to that ARMY on weverse (this I also have a whole post about which I thought might’ve made my thoughts clear in a way, but I guess it did not). That does paint quite the obvious picture, does it not?

Just yesterday I said that the biggest rule in shipping is respect and being respectful, yes? Do you think it is respectful to still hold on to this made up T/K theory despite being faced with Tae’s own words? Despite how ridiculous it sounds? I don’t think so.

Therefore, for me, with everything Tae has done to express his feelings in connection to Jimin, as well as clearly stating that 95z is love (just a few months after telling off that shipper) and the fact that (despite surely having to jump through many hoops along the way) Jimin answered Tae in kind by making Friends happen which solidified them as soulmates to us but also made their wish and promise of remaining together even when the cheers are gone known (here’s my analysis of that song). That’s no small thing. And if that T/K theory held any merit, I highly doubt either Tae or Jimin would do all this, which I’ve also already once discussed in a previous post. Add to that Tae’s Weverse reply, their conversation during ITS, and Tae wanting Jimin to come sleep next to him on JKs birthday (that being something the company has no control over and is their own free time and their free will of telling us about it), the only “relationship” that Tae has with JK, in my opinion, is that of close friends, band mates, and colleagues.

As for their contract and them being shareholders and that having some kind of connection to them being able to show their relationships more freely—while yes, they did say that they’ll sign the contract and thus give BH seven more of their years so long as the contract reflects their hard work and achievements, it’s rather ludicrous to think that there might’ve been some kind of clause in there as well about how BH won’t “hide” a ship anymore or allow them to just run free and show off their relationships. Frankly that would be stupid and way more risky than worth it both for BH and the members themselves. Besides their personal relationships, especially romantic ones, are not for public consumption, so to speak. Even more so in the world of idols and with the prospect of having to do their military service in the future (this being doubly important and risky when considering their relationships being between two members and therefore LGBT).

We have no way of knowing what is exactly in those contracts, and what kind of effect them having BH shares has on their work-relation with BH, all we do know is that whatever was in those contracts was satisfying enough for all seven of them to sign it and be happy with that choice. Everything else is pure speculation.

This is the final time I’m answering such an ask since now I think I’ve truly made my stance on JK+ML ships known sufficiently, and this time I mean it.

Also, for future reference, can we please talk about JK not in romantic connection to a member for once? I have a whole post expressing my grievances with the treatment he gets from shippers and how there is so much more to him.

Admin 2: We live in a materialistic capitalist world where money is the leading power. Many people get up in the morning and work their a*s off to bring in enough income to live and to feed themselves and their possible family. But there are also people who find ways to make money without having to work their a*ses off. Such possibilities in todays day and age gives you, among other things, making videos on Youtube. If you’re sneaky enough and have an eye for what sells best at any given time and what brings in the biggest viewership, you might come to find that a great way to earn well is by making videos about BTS, and more specifically, about popular BTS ships, or even the most popular one at that.

Maybe you noticed how at some point there was a boom on youtube when it came to people making reaction videos, especially to anything BTS related, as well as hundreds of channels about shipping doing analysis videos, especially for T/K and J/K.

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In that moment when Tae basically said no to T/K being romantic, those T/K channels faced potentially “losing their jobs” and thus losing a very lucrative source of income. When I say lucrative, I mean up to $90k a year, which is a sum of money the average person can only dream of. Therefore, to save their existence and income, they decided to push on with their agenda and disregard any signs pointing against their ship. That’s why I think theories such as the one anon presented us with are ones that are created during conversations between people with such channels as wonderful solutions to explain away signs and behaviors that simply didn’t fit them and their agenda. There is a whole own eco system between those channels and their views, and shippers at large, to keep their shipper fantasies alive at all cost.

We know that T/K is one of the oldest, and the most popular one, among BTS ships, which relies on how fun and nice interactions between JK and Tae are to look at, how silly they used to be in the past together, and how some of their on stage behavior worked well in terms of “awakening” crazy fantasies among shippers. The most important in all of it though has always been that this ship contained the maknae and the next member closest to him in age, and thus also to many of those who ship them. But that of course isn’t all there is to it.

Since 2016 we’ve had 4 O’Clock and Scenery, both inspired by the same event, as well as vmin defining each other as their soulmate. These facts alone are, for me, a glaring contradiction for this whole T/K theory and any kind of romance existing within either T/K and J/K. For me, it’s a rather absurd thought to have a soulmate and also be in a romantic relationship (or harbor romantic feelings) for another person. Just like it’s absurd for me how supposedly two big JK and maknae ships are supposed to be real at the very same time and the band also exists at the same time as some form of background noise.

We also later on have Tae who wrote Sweet Night in which Tae sings about falling in love with his best friend, who has always been Jimin. Taking into account what Tae told that shipper on Weverse yet months later announced that 95z is love, that he sang Friends with Jimin, which was also co-written by Jimin, I very much doubt that there have ever been any romantic feelings from Tae toward JK (and vice versa).

I’d also like to note that Tae and JK didn’t spend any time together during their vacation in 2019 (according to them in the first episode of BV4), as well as JK having shown a kind of distaste toward the idea of one of Tae’s friends already having gotten married (or at least that’s what his facial expression looked like) which to me indicates the same thing they said in the ITS conversations: they’ve matured and their personalities have simply grown in different directions making parts of their friendship a bit awkward.

On the FESTA 2020 Rolling Paper Tae called JK his comedian while JK called Tae is safe place, which for me makes it sound that their bond is simply that of an older brother and his younger brother. I feel like during their ITS conversation they tried to communicate to us that they had some issues with each other but at the same time also try to somewhat negate all that obsessive romantic shipping that's been going on involving those two for so long. But that obviously hasn’t worked out.

Tae did say that he had to take certain steps and now he’s happier, but personally I believe that had far more of a connection to their work, or specifically Tae’s mixtape and the work and negotiations around it, since we know some of it might’ve been pushing the lines a little too much if BangPD felt the need to call him and ask him to tone it down a little. If I put on my delulu hat, looking at how happy Tae seems in recent months, I’d be inclined to believe this also had something to do with Jimin, who also seems to be in quite the happy mood as well.

Even if I’d step into a whole delulu tent, I see absolutely no connection to JK when thinking of all the things that could’ve been a factor that led to Tae’s happy state.

It’s easy to see that we’ve been getting more T/K interactions recently, which can be due to marketing strategies (since Tae’s mixtape is coming soon, and potentially also JKs since it’s been mentioned here and there last year) but also due to them getting closer again friendship wise after working through whatever was causing them to be awkward with each other (or at least slowly doing so). We all know that Tae is a very honest (as much as that’s possible in their line of work) and the only thing all of this shows us that Tae is simply showing us with JK that they’re doing better again, but none of their behavior in any way diverges or exceeds anything that’s normal for all of BTS and how touchy and full of affection they are with each other to various degrees. We have a whole post on the bias of body language as well.

Personally, I see no indication whatsoever for there being anything romantic about T/K, since that’s what you’re essentially asking about. After all Tae was the only one who had no idea about JKs drawing for Hobi, so if they were romantically involved, don’t you think JK would’ve showed it to him or at least told him about it?

I’d recommend listening to what Tae told us, remember that especially when we see him put his arm around JKs shoulder or touches his arm, that that isn’t a show of his romantic love for him, but just their normal level of BTS affection. Don’t let people convince you into buying into their agendas because at the end of the day, they have a lucrative business in doing so while, should it all one day come to an end, you will be the one that gets hurt due to their words and theories.

The sole fact that T/K relies on many of the same arguments as J/K, and both have JK as the part of them, is, for me, an indication that those ships aren’t real and instead that Tae and Jimin treat JK as their younger brother whom they love, just like all of BTS does. This is simply how BTS are. Everyone touches everyone’s arm, thigh, back, and hugs each other, it’s simply them being them. In order for a ship to be romantic and “real”, it takes a little more than just a touch of a thigh. There needs to be something more, like we’re able to find/see that something more with vmin, for example.

Tae is my bias and it always upsets me when people don’t respect him and the things he’s said.

[vlovers19]

Hey your answer was great. Indeed eventhough tae is physically very affectionate he doesnt put words to his feelings often. Also do you think its ztrange that vmin dont do vlives alone together anymore apart from the only time with yeontan?

I'm glad you liked my answer and as for your recent question, yes it is very strange. I find it odd that two people who used to love doing vlives together just stopped doing so all of a sudden without no coherent reasons. People can only guess as to the reason why this happened but no one can really be sure. However, I might have an explanation which might seem a bit too delulu for people who want to believe that Vmin are just friends. Not me. I believe there is something more than friendship going on with them but I don't think they are dating. This explanation is the only thing I can come up with for now.

Now, we all know that Jimin and Taehyung are best friends who mutually enjoyed doing vlive together. During such times, they where always being cute and dorky, constantly role playing with each other, goofing around and having a generally good time but all of that stopped so suddenly from 2016.

We could say that they had a falling out but their relationship still seemed pretty good. We could say that they got into separate relationships but why would it stop you from having vlives together if you both consider your selves as nothing more than friends. Even if they just decided to have independence from each other, why did it start becoming a constant thing for more than three years? It would still be okay if they just had a vlive together once in a while being the best friends they claim to be. But why is it that other members can guest in their vlives but they can't do so and yet they are best friends? isn't this a bit too strange. I think something happened to either one or both of them and i think it all started with Taehyung. To me, 2016 might have started it all.

From what i can decipher, Taehyung was the one always pushing Jimin away from doing vlive together. I don't know what his reasons where but I can only speculate. At that time, Jimin seemed clueless too as to the reason Taehyung stopped doing vlive with him. He probably felt Taehyung didn't want to hang out with him anymore but could that really be the case?

Now, when they're on vlive, they tend to be a bit too immersed in each other to remember that they're actually having a vlive together. Taehyung being more level headed probably knew this but Jimin didn't. Jimin is more spontaneous. No one knows what to expect from him. Taehyung probably understood this side of Jimin which was why he avoided it all together. This wasn't how things where before but their relationship might have changed somewhat. There are instances when people who spend so much time together, go everywhere together, do everything together start to get a bit too overwhelmed with their feelings trying to draw a line between what is platonic and what isn't. This could be what Taehyung was facing at that time so he might have wanted some independence from Jimin. Yet why did he always seem like he regretted not doing vlive together with Jimin after refusing him. In almost all his vlives, he always found a way to mention Jimin's name. A clear indication that he missed him and was so used to his presence but it seemed he couldn't do anything about it. Why? No one forced him to stop doing vlive together with Jimin. It was clearly his decision.

Jimin seemed quite upset about it but after a while, he stopped complaining as though he understood the reason why they couldn't do vlive together anymore. He stopped bothering about it like wise Taehyung until it became normal not to have vlive together but the strange thing is that they always watched each other's vlives and talk about each other during their separate vlives especially Taehyung and i find it funny because he was the first one to refuse them both doing vlives together in the first place. Basically, he started it.

Now, this is where Yeontan comes in. Yeontan is Taehyung's favorite dog. He has other dogs as well but Yeontan is obviously his favorite and coincidentally Jimin's favorite as well. According to Jimin, Yeontan is his favorite pet out of all the pets owned by BTS members. There was a time he took care of Yeontan by himself when Taehyung was away from the dorm for two weeks. He has even visited Yeontan when the dog was living with Taehyung's parents.

Jimin and Taehyung had only done a vlive together with Yeontan and that was in 2018. It wasn't planned. It just happened. Jimin seemed to have wanted Taehyung's attention with something but for some reason which we are vaguely aware of, he couldn't just interrupt Taehyung's vlive which was where Yeontan came in. As soon as Jimin brought in the dog, he was allowed to enter because they both knew where they could focus their affection. Not on themselves but on the dog. Even in that moment, one could still see the flirting going on between them especially from Jimin's side. He was all over Taehyung. I think this is something Taehyung is very much aware of and it's something he tries to avoid. The first time Jimin left, he told Taehyung to meet him at a producer's office. After a while, Taehyung was still on his vlive so Jimin returned and continued playing him and Yeontan.

What i feel was that Yeontan was the only leverage Jimin could use to interrupt Taehyung's vlive because doing vlive together just the two of them wasn't something they can do. The next time they where together during a vlive was when Jimin was hyping Taehyung's song winter bear so naturally, Taehyung had to be there but he wasn't alone. He came with Hoseok. Another time was on Jin's birthday vlive but during all these times, Jimin and Taehyung's hands always found a way to meet. Apart from that time they had a vlive with Yeontan (which was something unplanned) they haven't had a vlive together in over three years which seems to me like they are hiding something.

In conclusion, 2016 was a marking point in vmin where boundaries had to be made. Coincidentally, the following year, 2017 was the time Taehyung wrote a song about Jimin titled 4.0 clock. It was a time when they stopped doing vlive together and posting selcas. It was also a time Bts was thrown into the limelight and superstardom. Basically, a lot of things changed and they probably realized that there are just some things they couldn't show to the world. It was best to keep them private. This is an odd behavior for two people who claim to be best friends don't you think?

Taehyung was the first to stop the vlive between them and after a while, Jimin finally went along with it and it has been like that till this moment. My analysis is that they probably reached an understanding between them and realized the reason why they couldn't do vlives together anymore. It could be that they might go overboard with each other there by exposing their feelings. This could also be why their selcas can only be for themselves. If not, I don't see any other reason why two best friends find it difficult to have a simple vlive together without the presence of a third party even when it's obvious that they want to unless they aren't as close as we think which we all know is impossible because not so long ago, Taehyung personally replied to a vmin post on weverse. 95z is love. Anyway, thanks for this ask. I really enjoyed writing it.