#omg fingers crossed tumblr doesnt decide to fail on me for rage at how long this is getting lmao???

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Okay fingers crossed I can contain myself to condense this all back down into one thread for both our sanities LMAO bc having to split it was Very Overboard of me WHoops Oh yeah you are totally correct that was WAY overestimating then! honestly it being so so much smaller is great bc that means they're going to get away with this shit for WAY LONGER and THAT means weirder and more extreme divergences over time 👀👀👀 and what are we here for if not for Shit Getting Strange?

Honestly I'm digging Rockford for the city base, it does look like Amity in the show. I also can't find what that round building in the river is for in Aurora but it's now going between Amity and Elmerton. I'm just slapping it in there. The river between amity and elmerton is too small for such a large building? Szwoop magical AU powers that's now a big ass river and it's getting a cool building slapped into it, use expanded on later in the post Mostly for the people super spending I was thinking along the lines of people who, essentially, win the lottery or come into large inheritances and then go broke in a few years.

The expenditure to do that must be INTENSE, BUT if the population is much much smaller they can be far more selective about who gets them instead of having what is essentially a panicked dispensing system of 'we need as much as possible immediately' and give it to people they know to be good with money and people they can trust to not essentially attempt to set up bottle necks within the town and who WILL order for their neighbours and not become some kind of problem in the town. So essentially, A smaller population means a healthier community dynamic which means more trust and therefore yeah I would accept that in a city of only 150K, people will fuck each other a LOT less than a city of over a million On the other hand honestly if the Fentons can manufacture the specialised parts in one car I think they can manufacture the specialised parts in any car, but I DO think they would put your ferrari as the lowest priority all the time, so even if they can fix it to run on ecto they probably wont. Tucker it also occurs to me might be the one or at least one of the first to notice that something is up with the towns credit. I'm pretty sure I remember him despairing that he'd nearly paid off his PDA's payment plans as a running joke whenever they got destroyed, so the guy does have reason to have a finger on the pulse of the debt community.

I also head cannon his parents to be dentists tbh, probably bc they're like the 'normal' parents of the group and I feel like 'dentist' is the most normal job. I have absolutely no justification for this, no one in my family is even a dentist to serve as a reason for this opinion. BUT that also means that if Tuckers parents run their own dental surgery, they're up to their chest in Equipment Debt. Correct me if this is a difference again but here apparently dentists have a real time and a half setting up their own practices just because doing so is so expensive.

Considering how extortionately American medicine is supposed to be priced I can't imagine it's any better. But then Tucker goes and essentially confirms with his parents Yeah Somethings up - money is tight all over town after all, so payments haven't been being made but there's, Nothing happening? No ones threatening to reclaim anything? IDK if Tuckers the kind of long term planner to think of it, he definitely seems to be an 'amazing under pressure' sort but kind of needs that pressure as motivation to do stuff? (Very relaxed day to day but literally he's essentially the guy who ACTUALLY dealt with skulker, not Danny, and he does that under SERIOUS STRESS and doesn't even have Batmans prep time)

But Sam has a long term outlook and serious organisational skills considering all her campaigns, so she would definitely lightbulb up like 'we can use this' and then testing commences. Little pokes to see what they can get away with.

Honestly even just the way America builds is an interesting tidbit to how the town would develop because I was ABSOLUTELY thinking build up. Like, if the population grew very very rapidly I was envisioning basically a Kowloon situation, a place where the buildings were growing so thick and tall it was alleged that there were places the sun never reached. These areas once the magical populations start moving in would actually be less of a problem and more of a feature for the light sensitive community, and become sort of an artificial underground considering it does exist above soil level so airflow is actually easier. (Sam would be so stoked for the aesthetic here and is again probably at least partially responsible for how it looks. Gothic Underground City? Tears of joy, her dreams are Real.)

(On the other hand imagine sam having free range over the city scape and how much eco stuff she would shove everywhere, solarpunk with a gothic touch. I guess Sam just gets to grow up to be a city planner in this AU.) (Which honestly makes me want to give Tucker some kind of space age area but arguably that is ALL of Surface Amity once the flying cars and shit start coming in.)(Honestly Old Amity could become a thing in AP like how different places have historically protected towns because they just represent such a picture perfect snap shot of history. APers just to their kids like "this is how we used to live!") This lean towards AP developing this way is mostly because here it is ABSOLUTELY easier to build up than it is to build out, due to both geographical features and to zoning laws, you'd get permission and do get permission for large sky scrapers that knock down old disused buildings and repurpose the ground FAR faster than you get permission to disturb farmland.

This change to the city scape probably wouldn't be an issue till a few years in though, as death fails to decrease the population and outparkers begin to hear about the place and flock in.

I think the GIW would absolutely go after the SPREAD of that technology at least, fearful that it's essentially a trojan horse for the wider population, but considering since its release (and the assumingly decent length of time it's been out in Amity) with no negative side effect, in fact only POSITIVE ones, the pressure on the GIW would be IMMENSE until they where eventually dissolved as 'an embarrassing gaff' on the part of the USA government born of fearmongering.

They certainly aren't going to try and point fingers at the Fentons considering the Fentons are sitting on FTL travel. In fact even when the Filter breaks down Amity might get away with a Lot Of Shit theyve done both from the perspective of 'you declaired us nonsentient and abandoned the town' and the sheer LEVERAGE the Fentons inventions gives Amity (How does that one joke go? if the 1% tries to build a wall to cage in the 99% of the world, it's not the 99% who are going to be living in a cage? that would essentially be the GIW before their dissolution, panicking over people getting 'contaminated') WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE ROUND BUILDING IN THE RIVER!! Honestly The Fentons, with even half these advancements, with the goddamn solution to the energy crisis ALONE in the form of ecto powered homes and cars, are going to be Richer Than God. Do i absolutely think they COULD invent anything and everything we've posited here? Yes. They built an interdimensional portal, these people are nightmares. BUT! I think it's safe to say that the Fentons are people of PASSION. And what people of PASSION tend to want more than anything else is!! For other people to be as excited about their shit as they are! Jack LITERALLY blathers about ghosts to a terrifying degree in the show, he practically POUNCES on people who show even the tiniest HINT they might be willing to listen to his info dumping, so!!!

The round building is the new ecto research facility and university!! Want to be a doctor specialising in liminal care? You study here now! Want to become an engineer who specialises in ecto tech? You study here now! want to become - Etc Etc.

Essentially the demand out grew the Fentons home So Hard they had to set up an entirely new facility, and that's where a fair amount of innovations are coming out of. Danny could actually be a teacher/translator for his parents, considering he's both an expert on ghosts just by emersion and also an expert on deciphering what his parents are saying so he can clear that up for others (Lancer ends up being delighted Danny became a teacher. Danny was his TA for Experience Stuff)

Why in the river? Because I think it looks cool Lmao. (also because realistically it's easier to accommodate aquatic based students and research by building a building that is in the river so they don't have to develop canals and waterways somewhere else in the city and then the transport around that but this is all backwasrds justification just based on 'how fucking cool does that building look?' Nicely done Aurora, I'm in love with it.) ALSO I RELISED there's totally justification for the filter being spotty as a concrete example in canon, VAL!! There's no way Danny doesn't think of her subconsciously as a parker even if she lives in elmerton now, so she absolutely remembers Amity. She talks to one of her neighbours who DOESN'T remember Amity, someone who just works at a local shop instead of trekking across the river for work and they? Don't??? remember Amity?? Until she prompts them like 'yeah you know the whole city across the river? the place I'm from?' and then they're like OH HOLY SHIT. Now the logical, reasonable assumption to that is 'That person had a stroke.' or 'that person is On Something' until it Keeps Happening. It peters off after a while but like this is Valerie 'All ghosts must die' Gray (She hasn't even met Dani yet!!) so actually I've decided that Valerie is the first person who actually puts together that there is some kind of perception filter on the town considering that maybe that morning her BUS TO SCHOOL doesn't arrive because the driver forgot they were on that route and not a different one.

Like other people have detected that Something Is Up, but she's the first non GIW/Fenton person to immediately blame ghosts, and she would hunt that down like the menace she is (Affectionate) She also wouldn't have to be prompted to remember bc realistically she is Liminal so yes! lets say liminals are immune. Jason doesn't recognise the files at first bc maybe the investigation was happening around the time he was on the outs with the family (I'm placing Danny and Jason around the same age in this AU so the Justice league would be Set Up when Amity starts getting strange but is maybe not yet everyone's ''shits going weird 'Who you gonna call? Justice League!'" reaction.)

(Also if Danny and Jason are the same age/a year apart, Danny opens the portal only a short while before Jason DIES so Jason is literally not around to investigate Amity getting its freak on.) AND RIGHT HOW WEIRD WOULD THAT BE FOR JASON??? Like it's not like any of his family are known for being absentminded about details, being steel trap nightmares about cases is kind of a DEFINING bat trait, so when it's his turn to read the file and he says 'its a file on some town called Amity Park?' and everyone just sort of Goes To Do Something Else simultaneously? AWFUL. HE HATES THIS ALREADY. AND THEN IMAGINE. IMAGINE. HE FINALLY GETS A LEAD. He gets a lead on some smuggling ring, one he's been chasing weeks or months, and he's rocking up to the warehouse, ready to School Some Fuckers, and who the hell is this? Looking like he could be a Wayne Adoptee™? Well the guy won't tell Jason his name. Fine, It's not like Jason isn't undercover too. Sometimes you get an unexpected team up. Jason knows how to handle those and how to be careful that he doesn't get his shit rocked by a betrayal. They work great together actually? The guy is clearly some kind of Meta and as they fight Jasons getting pretty suspicious that this guy is involved with the mysterious Amity actually, and at the end of the fight? The guy whips out some weird little thermos thing and sucks up all the smuggled evidence. Jason demands a name at that point because hey that's his evidence he kind of needs that! and Danny just smirks as he screws the thermos lid closed., "You can call me John Galt." And Vanishes like the Little Shit he really is. And Jason? Jason's brain has just flat lined and erupted all in the same moment at the GALL of this asshole. The pure CHEEK. Because Jason right? He's a lit nerd. There's no way he hasn't read that book (which actually sounds really good) but he KNOWS that the bastard just taunted him with that. Maybe didn't expect him to catch it immediately but JASON DID OKAY? And Jason is more invested than ever to find Amity Park and 'john FUCKING galt' just so he can give him a piece of his mind for being such a cheeky shit, but first he apparently has to find an entirely new lead and figure out what to do with these smugglers, considering it looks like 'Galt' wasn't alone. The rest of the facility has been cleared of both evidence and information, and the smugglers weren't contaminated/connected enough to remember without the evidence and reminder files on hand. Jason is FUMING. (he's also put himself on Dannys radar as a possible liminal to introduce to Amity if he turns out to be cool. Not that he knows about this. But Danny is already planning how to 'run into' each other again.) (Batman in this definitely tends towards 'Well meaning but fucks up sometimes, + Paranoia' so he's absolutely loosing his mind that there's something he can't even remember to account for and he's sending his son straight into it. So he's freaking out every time he remembers there's something to freak out about, even if he's doing it Very Quietly.)

Honestly though if ecto ONLY has positive effects there absolutely would be people who balk at that because it's the definition of 'too good to be true'. That fear is probably actually the biggest road block to getting rid of the AEA and the GIW in the end, just people being WIGGGED OUT I'd say once the surgical stuff starts being a thing is really where I'm going to place the count down timer for the filter surviving. The rest of the advancements can be passed off as alien tech, the people flying? obviously metas. But once that contamination starts spreading and people become immune to the filter? It starts eating away at what's left of the destroyed Gauntlets power.

If Danny HADN'T smashed the gauntlet, I'd say it's power would never have been so permeable and faulty or inclined to ever wear off but he DID blow that thing up like a fourth of july firework so BOOP the power was always far more limited than it should have been for an ongoing effect. (The one and done turn back doesn't unravel because the gauntlets power essentially stopped being used to implement the change once it was completed. Think a pot of boiling water compared to a pot of cooked rice - the water stops boiling but rice is always cooked once it's cooked) Essentially, yes to herd immunity! The weight of all those minds Looking and Thinking around the filter in combination eat away at and eventually collapse the filter.

I also feel like people would absolutely start selling fake ecto, essentially everyone knows it's green and glowing and hard to get so just set up a bunch of shitty hoops then give people glow stick fluid and book it. Horribly Immoral? Yes. But unfortunately in this ecto is essentially bordering on a Real, In universe cure all and people are going to exploit the SHIT out of that - no one who's been to AP could ever mistake the difference, but for people who haven't seen the real stuff? Hard to know. It could also be that at a certain point of contamination you essentially get auto access to citizenship in Amity? Like, you get warned before treatment that 'The power source of the machines' may invoke changes in you' which I'm sure they would find a way to put FAR less ominously, but then once they hit that threshold they can start thinking and talking about ecto and that's when the doctors know to be like 'okay do you want to see AP and learn about what these changes may become? Or have someone come out to you? and i mean that's like being asked 'hey do you want to visit el dorado' yeah people are GOING.

I feel like most of the villains would honestly get their shit kicked in especially if they were going in unprepared. Like theres tech for fighting ghosts so if you got hands on that you have a shot but ra's would be one of the first on scene and maybe he gets reports back and thinks he can take it bc HE has been using the pits and by all counts it seems pit use is ecto use so he should be resistant to their powers naturally. Unfortunately that means nothing when it becomes clear just HOW FAR and HOW MANY insane liminals and ghosts there are here. Like LMAO Ra's I'm sorry even with your super genius self and all your fighting prowess I think the Magical Teenager who can drag you into the tarmac of the road and leave you there wins, and it's not like he has time to luxuriate over plans. Other people are moving in, this town is NEW it's FUCKY, it's FRESH. Even anti-ghost tech isn't gonna do shit to something you can't hit if it's in the road beneath you, and there is very little tech in the DP universe that works on both human realm and infinite realm materials/entities. In fact I think Vlad is the only one with it and I'm not even sure if that's fanon or canon. (And also because yeah the idea of him going on trial in the realms? Funny as fuck. Also potentially Cathartic bc realistically the guy is an assassin he has been killing people for SO LONG there are a LOT of angry dead for him to meet.) (FUCK YES to the brawls/fighting rings. This is open not just to the assassins but to any liminals and probably has different 'tiers' like black belt tournaments and shit. The ghosts are eating it UP. The Ex-LoA members who specialise in tracking get all sorts of crazy events going where they chase each other through the cities and wilderness. Honestly they could very much end up serving as the backbone of APs new investigation services and security services - they have to find all the smugglers after all, and if amity is helping the world be a ecologically cleaner place then really??? it's probably not as hard a leap to make as would be expected - the dogma literally goes well together, they just Kill Less.)

Why doesn't the justice league know about Amity Park?

Okay so it's been a bit sonce I watched the show but one of the things in DpxDC is the anti-ecto acts, which I love, but correct me if I'm wrong, I THINK ??? they only show up in reality trip? SO: What if Danny, when using the gauntlet to undo everything, also got rid of the Anti-Ecto acts? but this is babys first time editing reality so he uh Fucks Up A Lil'. As a result when Danny used the reality gauntlet to wipe the AEA from existence he accidentally wiped Amity Park from perception. A big 'nothing matters over here' jedi mind trick, and now no ones looking at Amity. So, the Justice League actually WERE looking into and monitoring the situation in Amity, but when the perception filter closed them off, all of that suddenly went ignored.

This is noticed when someone (Alfred, Dick, Tim, literally anyone) realises theres just. A BIG dusty pile of case files semi abandoned somewhere in the cave when going through a (time period)ly cave cleaning.

They put it down because it's Not Important.

They come back to finish the cleaning the next day and do the exact same thing, but there's nothing to actually distract them this time and it pings as weird. Because why would case files be not important? They are by definition important, because only things flagged as important go into case files.

They try to get someone else to read it, because as long as they don't read the information in the file, they don't put it down.

That person goes to read it, gets a line in and then says something like 'that isn't important' and goes to leave. Person A pushes it and person B ALSO catches on.

Que the Batfam trying to figure out hey, what the fuck actually?

Meanwhile, how is Amity fairing? Canon compliant everything's going alright? Or have knock on effects to No One Look Here started to show?