#okay enough of me i just have strong feelings about iemitsu (derrogatory)

[eternitas]

Iemitsu turns up and speaks as if he knows his son but lets be re hoe much does he actually know about the intimate parts of Tsunas journey?

A lot in Reborn is done without it being said out loud. We would all believe Hibari to not be a real part of the vongola if he didnt come in clutch time and time again and had that fight against Adelheid where he spoke his own respect to Tsuna as a leader. We would still believe Gokudera to be a one sided guy who only cares about Tsuna if we disnt see him care for lambo and then slowly for the other.

So whenever we dont SEE something but are TOLD "No no i swear they feel THIS" it seems more hollow. Thats why I dont really trust the whole oh Daemon did it for Elena. I think it was consolation and trying to find something good in him when we were unmistakably shown what a depravid and incredibly cruel person he is.

And that is also why I don't believe Iemitsu to really be a father to Tsuna. We just dont see him acting like one. We are just told he is one, but only ever shown the leader of CEDEF who HAPPENS to be related to Tsuna.

I know our whole talk was about how it doesnt really NEED the sappy moments but i think in that moment I would've really liked them to either have a real conversation or Iemitsu showing actual meaningful support to Tsuna (It really doesnt help that my frienss father also is someone who was even far worse and now that he is seperated from the family he whines about how he is made out to be the villain and nobody wants to stay in contact with him. I WONDER WHY!). It feels like everyone else has at least ONE moment of actual bonding with tsuna before Iemitsu ever does.

BYAKURAN GETS SHOT BY COLLONELLOS RIFLE AND STILL HAS A SMALL MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION WITH TSUNA ABOUT HOW HE HAS CHANGED, WHICH IS LIKELY PARTIALLY WHY TSUNA GOT SO PISSED AT HIS ELIMINATION!

Iemitsu berates his son, he doesnt even explain himself or anything else. He just mentally scars his son and believes that is parenting.

Meanwhile

Reborn actually talks to Tsuna and tells him where he is going wrong. He also shows it with his fight wirh Iemitsu. Also let me point out how lovingly Reborn bonks Tsuna against the head (or pulls his hair I suppose?), point is we have seen Reborn actually hurt Tsuna physidally and this almost seems playful for reborns standarts.

Yes tsuna doesnt recognize him, but also, tsuna instinctively knows even if his conscious had not caught up to it.

I think this is why Tsuna as a protagonist is so important. I called bullshit on the elena thing but Tsuna very clearly shows thst being told "oh hey your father is kinda strong and you wont beat him by being arrogant" only leads to "okay cool. Wont do that anymore, but that doesnt change that i feel resentment."

Like with the whole "I wont be a mafia boss!", nothinf about his prior opinion changed. He wants to beat his dad now but he also is still not fucking happy about any of this. He couldve said "yeah it was fun to spend time with you!" but instead he get him rightfully calling his dad out. Because if Iemitsu truly knew Tsuna

HE WOULD KNOW THAT TSUNA DOESNT FIGHT FOR FUCKING FUN!!!!!!

Also allow me to point out how proud reborn is of him?

In reborns words he basically said "ya guys better start packing", because he sees how quickly Tsuna adapted and learned from him. and reborn is someone who constantly butts heads with others and is p harsh on his pupils. But here it really feels like REBORN is the proud father who teaches his son life lessons and Iemitsu is just... SOME GUY that happens to be related.

KHR does love and care really great but it also does imterpersonal conflict very well. If you remember that actions are usually louder than words in this series, you will be able to see through the shallow explanatory talk and notice all the small ways things do or dont match up.

I think one of my favourite moments in the series is the end of the storm battle. for one i am a die hard gokudera fan and in my opinion only the gamma fight surpasses it. And on the other-

The fact tsuna who is usually so reserved and just lets dera do his thing despite telling him quietly "you really don't have to"

Gets SO pissed at Gokudera for DARING to put his life on the line for this. A piece of jewelery and an empty title..

He calls it all meaningless if that means they cant just hang out together anymore.

Dera who links his own worth as a human being to his usefulness and position as a mafiosi is told "I just want you alive and by my side" in i think one of the most direct "this is the core of the whole series" moments we get.

When yamamoto faces ken he still holds back bc he doesnt want to get injured but as soon as TSUNA is in danger he says "fuck it" and gets serious.

In the shimon arc hibari picks up on tsunas depressive state and it annoys him so he changes that in his own way.

Its how mukuro in the rainbow trials cares for a tired fran.

Its how during the ring battles the girls and mama Sawada CONSTANTLY visit Lambo to make sure he is okay.

Its also how tsuna saves him in the first place. Fuck the rings, fuck the position, fuck this whole stupid arangement of fights- he has to save his family.

These people often get violent with each other and agressive, they bicker and they fight, but when the chips are down, all they care about is each other.

Most shounen protags have some kind of dream or goal, Tsuna just really really wants a quiet life and to spend that with his friends and family. The whole mafia buisness is just what he needs to do to keep that family he gained safe. Nothing tsuna EVER does is motivated by some ulterior motive for fame or riches. Its either him being FORCED into action bc he was literally kicked into it by reborn, or its because he has to resolve the situation to keep his friends and family safe.

The Caallone has a FUCKTON of members and so does the vongola and Tsuna really really really really REALLY doesnt care for any of that because in the end his own world is very small compared to the mafia.

I have to think of that one quote "why do you want to save this planet?" -"Because I live here!" for tsuna it would be "because my family lives here."

I mean be Tsuna isn't "heroic". Yeah he cares about other people and strangers, he helps old ladies, but when something is going on his go to isn't "I have to do something!" it's uauslly "man I hope SOMEONE does something. Not gonna be me tho!"

Sorry for the long ask i just wanted to rephrase what you said basically and send it back to you

HELLO AGAIN, thank you for the ask. Don't apologize at all for length, I'm absolutely foaming reading this.

I'm so glad you get what I was going for in the post. Those moments drive me insane. "They bicker and they fight but when the chips are down, all they care about is each other" and "Because my family lives here" I FEEL ABSOLUTELY INSANE ABOUT THESE LINES. You're so so right!!! The Vongola kids bully and tease and are nasty to each other, until it comes down to it and they fight tooth and nail for each other. Exactly what I was going for. The series doesn't need those scenes where Tsuna tells Gokudera he cares about him and they're warm and cuddly towards each other, bc it comes through in his words when meek and reserved Tsuna yells at him and tells him to stop trying to die for him or for some stupid ring. And I think that's so fun!! All the other stuff you listed also drives me so insane. For yamamoto, him letting himself get injured for Tsuna's sake was so good and Tsuna's love for Yamamoto shone through there too because Tsuna saw the injury and felt such immense guilt only apologizing for ruining everything for Yamamoto. Only for Yamamoto to go "No, I'm fine. As long as YOU'RE safe" like that's so good???

The Hibari thing?? How he sees Tsuna's depressed state over it all and all he says to comfort him is "Watch me." because that's all he could understand about the situation. That if he wins his fight, somehow Tsuna will cheer up. and its just so???? GOD ITS JUST SO FULL OF LOVE. Every character in this series shows love in their own ways and it drives me maddd

Mukuro taking care of a tired child too doesn't surprise me with his backstory. He's so gentle with people that are in "his care" even if he won't actively admit it.

The girls as well I'm so glad you pointed them out!! We so like to ignore them in this fandom and thats so sad bc the series makes it really clear that they are part of this equation too. That without their support, the fighters would not have made it. Tsuna could relax knowing Mama Sawada and the girls were watching Lambo and focus on his fight. And during future, he could focus on his training. Not to mention, they're just so supportive especially after they find out what's going on. The boycott episode and its resolution are some of my favorite scenes in Future, it makes me insane that the show gave the girls a Moment to remind us that they too are both deeply loved and ALSO love the boys just the same.

You're so right about Tsuna not being heroic, hell even in Shimon arc Enma is being bullied right infront of him and its Reborn that has to be like "STOP OR SAWADA TSUNAYOSHI WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!" He's kindhearted and he's got a good moral compass.. It's hard to explain, but you basically have to be IN Tsuna's circle for you to get that sort of "I will die for you" behavior kksjng otherwise he sorta reverts back to his "who me? im just a 14 yr old boy im nobody"

Thank you for sharing Lou (Or eternitas, whatever you'd prefer!) Spreading my own brain rot back at me very nice :^)