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[daisugababy]

That was a lot, I just asked about that last scene specifically, should have nade it clearer, but I appreciate the long response. My issue is with labeling their relationship a "straight rep for straight audiences" when the wide majority of people hate both Nico and Levi. And like you said, none of them was properly developed beyond their relationship and Levi's GBF thing. I agree with lots of points you made about their journey. I wouldn't call the scene any less romantic because he said what he said. He established his feelings and intentions for the first time, to his boyfriend who's anxious and over thinks everything. He's leaving no doubts about their relationship. The arc, like my dear friend @schmico-fanatic pointed out, was a wink at the audience who says Levi is with Nico just because he didn't look for someone else. And Nico's arc was about showing commitment beyond sexual needs, since he's called a sex addict if not labeled toxic. Nico overcame his fears throughout this season, little by little. And yes, a scene with just him would be great and we... had that. During episode 4... briefly and with the same level of hate that made the public take Owen's side... but still got some scenes. I can only with this means a promotion to the main cast so he can be slightly more explored like Link and Winston are.

Alrigthy, so first, I'm pretty sure we just have vastly differing opinions on the scenes/the show and that's absolutely fine. Also it got long again. But I just gotta add the context :) @ohmyorbitsworld

My issue is with labeling their relationship a "straight rep for straight audiences" when the wide majority of people hate both Nico and Levi.

Just because most people hate Nico and Levi, doesn't mean it wasn't intented for them to be pallatable for a straight audience.

I wouldn't call the scene any less romantic because he said what he said.

I do though. The whole setting of the scene, everything he says and says he did, implies that Nico's growth, his change was all just because and for Levi. All the credit for his own work here goes to Levi. Also Nico lighting candles every night on the off-chance Levi might stop by feels very desperate and like Nico doesn't have a life outside Levi.

He established his feelings and intentions for the first time, to his boyfriend who's anxious and over thinks everything. He's leaving no doubts about their relationship.

This was not at all the first time though?? Nico has made it very clear in the past that he's serious about Levi, see this. Just because you're not ready to move in with your partner, doesn't mean you're not serious about them. E.g.: Nico not being out to his parents being the reason he didn't want Levi to move in (presumably).

Most of this is about Levi's own insecurities, but somehow it's Nico's fault. Again, I get it. People who are insecure often project their insecurites onto the people around them, but that doesn't mean those people don't care or don't love them. It just means you have to work out your shit. Maybe Levi should try that too. I say that with love and am speaking from experience LOL

The arc, like my dear friend @schmico-fanatic pointed out, was a wink at the audience who says Levi is with Nico just because he didn't look for someone else.

My question is just: why should he look for someone else if he's happy with Nico and knows he wants to be with him? Why does he need some stranger to make advances towards him to realize Nico is all he wants? Don't get me wrong, I get it, Grey's is just spicing it up, because that's just the show and I know that. To me, this is just a very lazy attempt at swirling in some angst. But I'm just not the biggest fan of love triangles on Grey's, so that's a personal preference thing haha. I get that sometimes people go 'but what if' while being in happy relationships, but the way it was framed it really felt like a possible Arizona situation. And I just don't do cheating storylines. They ruin every ship for me. Again, personal preference.

And Nico's arc was about showing commitment beyond sexual needs, since he's called a sex addict if not labeled toxic.

He only got called a sex addict and toxic by fandom, not on the show. Helm voiced her concerns about their relationship, but trying to evade a convo by having sex doesn't make you a sex addict. Levi could've said no and then they wouldn't have had sex all the time, but he didn't and decided to just go along and do the dirty with him. So, idk, but doesn't that make Levi a sex addict too?

Nico overcame his fears throughout this season, little by little.

That's cool and all, but again: Only from Levi's perspective. We have no context to how that happened except: pandemic, might die, don't waste time. Great.

And yes, a scene with just him would be great and we... had that. During episode 4... briefly and with the same level of hate that made the public take Owen's side... but still got some scenes

Sorry, but no. Just no. This wasn't about Nico. At all. It was the show using their two Asian characters to look woke. And in the end, this was more about Owen dealing with his white guilt than actually about violence against Asians.

[tevanbegins]

My dear friend @ohmyorbitsworld had come up with a wonderful initiative called #RespectNicoKim on Twitter and Instagram a few weeks ago to challenge Nico/Schmico haters' biased views (even after the airing of episode 17x16.) I had made below collages for the said project and had posted them on Twitter to restore the haters' memories. I just realised I had forgotten to share them here so doing it now. 😊

When they say Nico is 'extremely toxic', the 'worst boyfriend' ever, 'never' treated Levi the way he deserved, 'never' gave him attention:

When they say Levi deserves 'better', they seem to forget how much credit belongs to Nico for Levi's character growth and development. Nico will always be very important to Levi because he changed his life completely:

It's exhausting to write long posts in defence of Nico or Schmico so now that I have made these handy flash cards I can simply use them to shut up the haters whenever I want. They state all real facts and make life much more convenient. 😎

[daisugababy]

It feels like Jake forgot Levi and Helm where ever friends... 😬

ooof true :(