#ody doesnt rlly have that imo?
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lowkey think that if jorge really wanted to sell us on the "odysseus is a monster thing" he should have had odysseus continue to stab poseidon even after he begged. bc like. Looking at odysseus now? he's less a monster and more like a morally grey protagonist. All of his questionable actions have pretty good explanations behind them. if you want to tell me he's a MONSTER, you need him to do something really fucking vile. without good justification. killing the baby? (also. he fought in a war. i reckon plenty of babies died indirectly as a result of his actions somehow) zeus literally told him he and his family would die otherwise. blinding the cyclops? pretty self-explanatory. sacrificing the men to scylla? bad, but has an understandable reason behind it and you can theoretically justify it. choosing the crew to die? saving his own life+you could argue they are the ones at fault for eating the cows anyway. torturing poseidon? there's literally no other way poseidon would let him go at that point AND he immediately stops after he begs.
point is, if you're going to tell me a character is a monster then at least make them do something that cannot be defended. something that CANNOT be justified at all. continuing to stab poseidon after being begged would have done that. but who knows, maybe the suitors being killed will be shown as something like that? still unlikely though considering they plot to kill telemachus and rape penelope.
#and like. i KNOW people will say killing the crew was not justifiable at all#and true! if this was irl theres no way id defend him doing that#but in fiction the morals of killing are a lot more wishy washy and it's easier to forgive or justify it#because its fiction and we naturally don't feel the same we would if someone was actually dying#which is why if you truly want to sell a character being a 'monster' you need to have#a kick the puppy moment? i cant think of a name rn#but essentially a moment where the character does something that is unnecessarily cruel and evil and excessive+cannot be justified#ody doesnt rlly have that imo?#anyway dont rip me to shreds please#odysseus#epic the musical#meta
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