#oddish hybrids

[alexanders-pokemon-adventure]

Oh dear,  that’s an unfortunate situation. The situation surrounding Grape Soda has changed dramatically though since inside initially messaged you. The image I sent you was them of a few days old freshly emerged from the pot. This is them now.

As you can see puberty hit them rather hard.  The unique circumstances of their birth along with his siblings have meant they have all radically changed as they developed into maturity . In grape sodas case  whatever combination of hybridization and atavism that has taken place in them  has created emergent abilities that aren’t fully understood yet. In his case as he developed he grew an extending vine from his head and began to develop other fruiting bodies each conscious and varied in personality . While they’re still connected to the vine it appears that they are connected telepathically in a similar way a Standard Eggacute and that connection appears to have resolved whatever issue Grape Soda was having emotionally. though it isn’t without it’s failings occasionally the fruiting heads fall off and die so there have been incidences in the few months time Spand we’re all of the extra heads have fallen off and grape soda had reverted to his previous withdrawn behaviors, but the heads do grow back with time. There’s so much more about them now that we simply don’t understand and I don’t know if it would be ethical to introduce a standard Exeggcute to them as a possible extension of the collective. I simply don’t know what might happen. Though I wouldn’t mind another opinion on it.

Hello Ellisa , do you have any solitary or incomplete groups of Exeggcute interested in being adopted? Particularly ones looking for another to join their collective? Recently I grew A very… unique oddish i’ve been calling Grape soda

I think the term variant and hybrid may both be applicable to him. I am under the impression that seeds I grew him from likely come from a flower pollinated by an Exeggutor . Compared to his siblings he is very withdrawn, and based on appearances I think it’s because he’s not part of a psychic collective like a Exeggcute. So I’m looking to adopt a group that would be willing to take him in. Do you think you have any that would be interested?

Hmm, I may have one, however I'd like to evaluate Grape Soda first if possible, and introduce him to the group slowly. The clutch I have has rejected all of the mock eggs and baby psychic types we've tried to introduce. They aren't ready for adoption, and I'm not sure if they ever will be honestly, but it is worth a shot!

[askkrenko]

Krenko’s Guide to Pokemon: Chikorita line

Bulbasaur’s cheap knockoff

DESIGN: 

It’s hard to tell what a Chikorita is.

In theory, it’s part Chicory plant and part dinosaur, but unlike Bulbasaur it doesn’t have any clear defining characteristics. Bulbasaur has spots, Chikorita is monochrome. Bulbasaur has claws, Chikorita has little points. Are they claws but only one on each foot? Are they hooves? It’s not clear. Chikorita then has a head distinct from its body, but no neck, making it look like some sort of thumb. A leaf sticks up out of its head for no clear reason, and it’s just a single leaf. Is a Chikorita some sort of fruit, with a leaf sticking up? If so, where’s the stem?

Now, in general, a Pokemon being unique and distinct from real creatures is great. The problem is, I don’t know what Chikorita is supposed to be in itself. It’s just so simple and formless, but without and clear idea of what that simplicity is supposed to mean. It has a necklace that’s clearly supposed to be something planty, but what? Are they smaller leaves? Are they thorns? If the anime is to be believed, that’s where the vine whip comes from, but then why do they retract inside?

It’s not even clear if Chikorita is supposed to be a plant like Oddish, an animal with a plant growing on it like Bulbasaur, or some sort of hybrid. 

Chikorita’s first evolution is Bayleef. Named after the leaf that confuses everyone when they find it in their dinner, Bayleef mostly looks like a bigger Chikorita. With a real neck, it’s now clearly a dinosaur. Its leaf has moved from the top of its head to the front and has a stem now, but then you have the question of its collar.

According to the Pokedex, its neck is surrounded by curled up leaves, which makes sense, that each hold a shoot for a tree, which makes no sense whatsoever. Why would Bayleaf grow trees from it if it has no attachment to trees? If Bayleaf evolved into something tree-like, that would make sense, but it doesn’t. Instead it has more leaves. Also, it still has that single-toe thing going on that Chikorita does, which is just weird.

Meganium, while not as bad as something like Blastoise, feels disjointed from its prior evolutions. First off is the color issue. It’s just a different color than Bayleef, and while that’s not bad, the fact that Chikorita is green, then Bayleef is yellow, then Meganium is green again is just odd. It made sense back in Gen 2 when Chikorita was yellow, but they quickly did away with that.

More importantly, while clearly more dinosaur, Meganium is no longer leafy with tree seeds. Now, it’s a flower. It has petals coming out from its neck, and instead of a leaf on its head, it has stamen. It also finally has multiple toes.  I actually like Meganium’s design as a whole, as it suggests the whole thing is a walking flower- though I do think it’d have been better if the flower was larger. Still, that’s just what Venusaur was, and unlike Venusaur it doesn’t follow naturally from the plant parts of the prior two evolutions.

The Chikorita line just feels like an attempt to remake Bulbasaur without any of the design philosophy that went into it. While Bulbasaur is a unique dino-frog with a symbiotic relationship with a budding flower, Chikorita is a simplistic sauropod with plant bits randomly stuck on. It doesn’t look like a plant creature, it just looks like a creature that ran through a garden and got some bits stuck on it.

Art by  RileyKitty

ECOLOGY:

The Chikorita’s natural habitat is entirely unknown. There are no records [in mainline games] of any location holding a population of wild Chikorita or its evolved forms. It has sighted in Sinnoh’s underground, but these areas are extremely unlikely to be its true home.

The doubt upon its underground origins comes primarily from the fact that Chikorita and its evolutions are photosynthetic. Though they can gain sustenance from berries, they actively seek out the sun and prefer to do nothing but bask in its light all day, every day. Left to their own devices, they move only to follow the sun. Though a Chikorita can use its leaf, and later its petals, for self defense, it’s unclear what a Chikorita’s natural predators are.

Chikorita have been sighted in Alola as a result of ultra wormholes, and they have been imported to Kanto’s Pal Park, but the former is an anomaly that may not include a sufficient population for survival and the latter is so cultivated as to not count as the wild at all.

Art by TsaoShin

TYPING:

Chikorita is a pure grass type, something that Gen 1 had only in Tangela.  As I said then, Grass is not a great type. Too many things resist it and it has too many weaknesses. It does beat some of the more common types in Ground and Water, but if you’re looking for a strong offense, that’s not really what Meganium is here for.

There’s also the issue of using it in Johto. As one of the starters, you’d expect the game to be designed around giving it benefits at some points and drawbacks at others, but Gen 2 was so focused on having different Gyms than Gen 1 that it wound up having a Flying gym (strong against and resistant to Grass), a Bug gym (strong against and resistant to Grass), a Normal Gym, a Ghost Gym in which all the Pokemon are also Poison type (strong against and resistant to Grass),  a Fighting gym that DOES have one Water Pokemon, a Steel Gym (resistant to Grass) that even has two Electric types and a Ground type that would be weak against Meganium if they weren’t also Steel, an Ice gym (strong against Grass), and a Dragon gym (resistant to Grass.)  Further, the Elite Four has a Poison type user. And then in the post game, while Meganium is strong against Brock and Misty, there’s still a Fire gym and a Poison gym to deal with, and the Ground gym is gone. If that weren’t bad enough, Team Rocket uses Poison types, and Silver uses an ice type, two poison types, a steel type, and (as you chose Chikorita), a fire type. That’s right: If you choose a Chikorita, then five of your Rival’s six pokemon resist Grass.

I haven’t gone through every Pokemon game gym by gym to look, but I’m pretty sure Chikorita is the worst starter in any Pokemon game as far as how well it matches up against that region’s opponents.

Art by Diaris

STATS:

Meganium is actually rather tanky, with 100 in both its defenses and an 80-something in everything else. These are good stats. 80 is enough to threaten things offensively and 100 is good for taking hits. In theory, there’s a lot you can do with well-rounded stats like that. 

ABILITIES: 

Like all starters, Meganium’s primary ability increases the damage of its type’s moves by 50% when it’s at ⅓ HP or below. Like all starters, this is not a particularly useful ability, as you don’t want to be that low. It’s not a nothing ability, but it’s situational for a situation that’s not going to happen every battle and only usually lasts one turn when it does.

Meganium’s hidden ability, unfortunately, is Leaf Guard. Leaf Guard prevents Meganium from becoming Asleep, Paralyzed, Poisoned, Burned, or Frozen during Harsh Sunlight. Here’s the big problem with this: If you’re a Grass type expecting to be in Harsh Sunlight, Chlorophyll is way better. And you know what has Chlorophyll? Venusaur. And Vileplume. And Exeggutor. And a bunch of other Grass types. And Leaf Guard is a defensive ability. A defensive ability that only lasts during sun doesn’t mean that much when sun is inherently on a timer, and your defense will go away if you just hang out in the sun.

The right play for Meganium is generally Overgrow, its primary ability, and that’s kind of sad.

Art by JacklynKirk and Chikorita

MOVES:

Meganium has a fair variety of useful moves, even if it doesn’t have any real way to leverage any of them. For attacking, it can use Giga Drain to try and keep itself healthy in a defensive build or Petal Blizzard to just hit harder. It also has access to Frenzy Plant to unleash a particularly large hit.

For coverage… Meganium has Earthquake and Iron Tail. That’s it. It’s not a lot of coverage at all, and neither of them actually cover what Meganium needs to cover.  Meganium can get Swords Dance, so it can attempt to use its defenses to set up and sweep, though this can be dangerous due to its average speed and large number of weaknesses.

A more defensive strategy with Reflect and Light Screen can work well for Meganium, but the problem with using Meganium as a wall is that it’ll be easy for an opponent to switch in something that threatens it due to its large number of weaknesses. Using it primarily as a screen setter is fine, but there are better screen setters. Still, this Meganium use also allows Aromatherapy to heal teammates of status effects.

Mr. Stake, the best Meganium, by DragonQueen101

OVERALL:

Meganium is bad. Its design is poor, its abilities are weak, the entire region of Johto seems to conspire against it, and nothing about it lends it to any real strategy or team position. It’s fine and middling in every respect, but that leaves it unable to contend with Pokemon that are actually good at things. Unlike starters in most gens, it doesn’t have a mega, or a gigantimax, or a special Z-crystal, or even a signature move to call its own. It’s basically just a downgrade from the Bulbasaur line in every respect, and while this is partially a factor for Gen 1 getting the most love, it’s also a factor of Gen 2 getting the least.

And partially because of this, I think we need to start seeing old starters just wandering around in other games. Putting it in the post-game of some is fine, but it’s not like starters are unbalanced after the first few routes. Just let me catch a wild Chikorita in some other region, and have GameFreak give it a once-over for balance purposes. A new ability, some new moves… I’m not asking for much, just for something to make Meganium unique. With fine stats, I don’t think it would make much to make Meganium useful, but it definitely takes something.

[alex-ishvan]

What dose Alexandria hope for the Oddish hybrids future?

Honestly at least a healthy life and living at least in someway the natural life span of an oddish(possibly ooc but could also still be Alexandria responding

[alexanders-pokemon-adventure]

The eggs have hatch … their are 46. I’ll be sending them out to those who want them and the rest I have found a Galaran relocation group In Galar willing to help.

My Dustox (String Bean) laid eggs in my spare closet …

So if anyone’s interested in a wurmple of the “Apatura iris stellatarum” variety i’m going to have several available soon, if anyone’s got questions let me know.



[justfor2am]

this is NOT going to be a good review since i am very tired and hungry and upset that my tv wont work so i have to watch youtube on my laptop again BUT .THAT NEW CHAPTER WAS SO GOOD... so mumbo doesn't know scar is part vex (??? assuming thats how he uses vex magic) for obvious reasons (<- experimentation will probably happen) and mumbo has experimented on and/or killed vex before n actively has a head of one on the wall n scar. still chooses to be there??????? wada hell...... im very excited to see grian n scar get a chance to talk alone next tho cuz w mumbo coming right back there wasn't much time for scar to react to grian not only knowing vex but also immediately being able to tell that he's using vex magic vs any other kind .ok time to go eat BTW whats ur favorite pokemon .and would i be allowed to name one after u in one of my games (<- currently playing emerald soulsilver shining pearl and x and also probs gna start pmd explorers of sky very soon) totally fine if the answer is no ofc i do still wana know ur fav pokemon tho 🫡

HELLO any review from you bangs in my opinion tbh this one included

mumbo indeed does not know scar is part vex! mages and other types of fully-human magic-users are relatively common, and visually there is nothing visibly detectable on scar to hint to vex origins.

grian can tell because he was raised by vex, and hybrid enhanced senses mean that he can smell different magics, so he knows good and well what scar is.

it's slightly confusing to grian, because right now scar smells like home, but is very much the enemy.

scar stays because he has no one else to go home to. he was found a seemingly normal human baby that had the hybrid beaten out of him, to the point of masking his vex traits, fully unintentionally.

he's not quite monster enough for the vex to accept him, nor quite human enough for most other people. mumbo, an adorer of the odd and peculiar, took him in during scar's teen years and was basically his mentor/parent. they're both confused on how scar's magic works, and mumbo has chalked it up to some curse or whatever.

mumbo doesn't care too much so long as scar still cooperates.

scar is just happy to have someone who cares to keep him around.

also WOAUGH yeah u can name a pokemon after me i would be honored king

uhhhhh a list of favs but they are all from gen 1 or 2 because those are the only generations i know anything about:

-umbreon (swag af)

-totodile (gen 2 starter my beloved)

-oddish (first ever natural shiny i caught)

-meowth (that's right!)

-gastly (hypnosis + dream eater w/ curse and a mean look move set.... ugh, the dream)

those are my darling babes, i love each and every one of them very much

[parasite-core]

My team is coming together nicely now that I’m past Brock. I caught an abra/oddish hybrid named Bloom so Misty and any fighting types are in the bag. I also fused an ekans and butterfree (Monarch & Oroboros) and my Pyukumuku was fused with a magikarp (Spindle & Bubbles) to make leveling both easier. Watcher the Hoothoot evolved into Noctowl, so I actually have a lot of pokemon with psychic attacks at the moment. And my starter Bren has evolved into Combuskin. We had a weak start but now things are really rolling along.

[artofmla]

artfight stuff. this little guy's apparently a hybrid of an oddish and an oran berry. kinda wild.

[corronis]

I imagine that certain fully evolved pokemon are at the apex, such as Gyarados, Garchomp, and Salamence. And taking Gyarados into consideration, evolution turns it from a prey pokemon to a predator( though that makes me wonder if Gyarados prey upon Magikarp). As for the Grass Pokemon, it varies from species to species. Some are animal/plant hybrids like Bulbasaur and Paras, and some are just plants, like Oddish and Bellsprout.

WAIT. do pokemon eat other pokemon

[pokentomology]

Helios Refuge is expanding!

We are constructing a greenhouse. I'm looking for a grass-type specialist & horticulturist to spearhead the development, because i have no idea what I'm doing and I don't trust the landscaping companies. It's going to include multiple rainforest plants & Pokémon, because we've been getting a lot of those lately and the vivarium only has so much space. Also, the grass-type enclosure is open-air and that was Really Bad when the whole bad rain thing happened, we lost several poor Oddish...

Anyway. Glass greenhouse. Multiple endangered species of plants and Pokémon. Fully functioning self-filtering freshwater waterfall and pond. It's a big ask, but you'll have all the support you need, full creative freedom, and a very high budget, because the Refuge is well-funded and I've been putting aside funds for this for awhile anyway.

Any takers?

//OOC, this means we work together on sketching up blueprints for a 50 x 70 metre greenhouse, which I will eventually draw, probably. Not that I can draw. But I'll use CAD or something it's fine

plus it'll be a cute little event! I want to introduce a ton of new bug-types and a few hybrids/fakemon, so it will be fun!!!

[alexanders-pokemon-adventure]

Oddish line variant (nickel eater) A steel flying type The nickel eater Oddish variant , Live and breed in ore rich soils . Drawing in the metallic elements in particular the metal nickel they use the ore to produce A poisonous sap substance that they can excrete from wounds and their oral orifice. While in a resting state they rooting them selves to the ground and absorb nutrients and metallic elements, while active they live in the tree tops and canopies using their stiff lightweight wings too glide and hover between branches and avoid predators.

Prompted by @poorwhayfairingstranger “ steel flying oddish type that is still based off a plant“

[kac29]

Dear @prof-peach Bud is generally doing well .Active and alert and engaging with my other Pokémon. They still have the occasional bad day when they agitate a sensitive or sore spot on the graft seam or when they’ve exerted themself too much and have difficulty balancing but ultimately seem to be doing well.I still take Bud to Professor Apricot once a week for a weekly check up and They’re still prescribed a daily antibiotic and anti-viral medication for the next month to help prevent any further infections.Some interesting news though

A few days after our last contact I noticed this bump on Buds head . At first I was a little worried but once I informed Professor Apricot about it she was overjoyed to inform me that Bud’s Oddish components had grown healthy and strong enough to start it’s summer sprouting . She asked me to document buds growth in between appointments to help identify the type of Oddish and I’ll send you those images

Professor Apricot initial guess that Bud’s Oddish components were part of the Rubus genues was correct . She’s interesting to see if how mush fruit Bud will produce this year to gauge whether Bud’s Oddish components were more than a year old before the graft.

Professor apricot has confirmed that Bud grows blackberries with viable seeds would you and any others interested like me to send you some?

[alexanders-pokemon-adventure]

@prof-oleander

What’s the strangers variant of Oddish you’ve ever encountered?

I don't know if they are the strangest variants, but surely I have a couple of interesting ones I saw.

One was an Oddish-Cacnea mix, with body slightly bigger/squishier to accomodate storing water for when the climate is too arid, little thorns on its body and the leaves on the top were shorter and "meatier" than normal Oddish leaves, maybe a mutation caused by the Cacnea genes in them.

The other one was a "daikon variant" a trainer caught while travelling overseas. Light-coloured elongated body and longer leaves on its head. When I first saw it, for a hot minute I thought I was looking at a different pokémon.

I had some notes and probably also a photo of them- I need to dig a bit my older documents... I'll reblog as soon as I find them! Hoping that they aren't lost in my messy archive, of course.

[alex-ishvan]

So @alexanders-pokemon-adventure I'm panicking I was tending to the plants and Pokemon in my greenhouse and I uh found this little one who seems to be a child of radish and my ivysaur/charmeleon hybrid I don't know they inherited the secondary species from both parents of heard about it happening but only with Pokemon with a single hybrid parent. And I don't even know how I've missed them until now as I made sure to get rid of any of radish's extra seeds/plants before they could grow into an oddish sprout because of how wild the appearance has been for all of radish's offspring as of now I've taken them to chance as I do with most young fire types as adult charizards and they're hybrids instinctually know how to deal with accidental fire after this little one reaches the point where they're safe I will put them back into the greenhouse where I hope they're parent will take them in. From what I can tell they are a sunkern/Charmander hybrid with the dual typing of grass and fire and think they know ember and have the ability flash fire

[askprofessorsumac]

Wow this is so crazy that you said you might mistake Bulbasaur for an Oddish bcuz I wanted to ask you about doing Oddish! Like, what would this stone do to Pokemon that are already super spherical? I nominate the following Pokemon for Puffification: Oddish, Voltorb, and Exeggcute! Honestly I could list so many more bcuz now that Im looking at all the Pokemon Im realizing how many are so spherical and I don't want to clog you up :D

Oh goodness, such wonderful round Pokemon!  It would appear that they’ve all gotten somehow rounder:

Oddish has evolved into Odd Puff and I couldn’t be prouder!

I always forget that Exeggcute is one Pokemon because it looks like five.  And now I have so many more roundies for the price of one!  A good investment, I would say.  Little Chip in the back there got very tired out by the evolution process so it’s taking a nap.

I’m not sure if this Rolltorb is happy with its new form.  But the Voltorb family has some very difficult body language to decipher, since it mainly consists of rolling around.  If it’s mad, well, I’ll see about getting it to forgive me.

[oddishpropaganda]

Drew some Oddish variants with some of my other favorite grass Pokémon! I’m proud of how they turned out!

[alexanders-pokemon-adventure]

Professor apricot

It’s good to know Bud’s feeling a little better . I … don’t … know what will happen if the discard cutting are used for propagation. With Bud’s first offspring they were produced before their evolution and were grown from seeds generated by blackberries from their Oddish components. While all the offspring were hybrids they were still Oddish. I’m not really sure what would happen if someone attempted to propagate them from cuttings or grow seeds from their sunflower or rose hip seeds. They have homogenized so much in their evolution.I’m not even sure if it matters anymore. If it’s something you’re interested in doing keep us updated…

I wonder about the vile Sera gave away…

We've taken in Bud, the wonder-graft Pokémon, for a little while. They needed a heavy prunning, and a change of climate this time of year. Lynn put the skills he learned by taking care of his Torterra to good use getting Bud back in good shape. We'll have to make sure to clean up those cuttings really well, lest they take root in the garden and produce strange hybrids. Maybe we should save some for Alex though? I bet they would like that..... when they wake up....

@alexanders-pokemon-adventure