#obi-wan should get recognition for his leadership

[brachiosaurus-on]

(above tags ^ from @smhalltheurlsaretaken) Yeah I agree fully on those tags and it gets SO boring and annoying (and lmao, potted plant of a trophy husband is so accurate to some portrayals), but I'll add what was bothering me specifically when I posted this because @ahsoka-in-a-hood asked in the comments and these are my replies,

🤔 it's a general fandom trend, but with obitine during the war, when the discussion of their duties vs their feelings comes up, satine's responsibility to her people is always recognized, but for obi-wan it's almost always his choice to live the jedi lifestyle, and very rarely is there acknowledgement that he is one of the leaders of the order and has similar responsibilities to his people and when the question of him leaving the order for her during tcw era comes up, it's not acknowledged that his circumstances are different from the first time he made the choice, he would now be abandoning much greater responsibilities because he is now *also* an official leader for his people

I think that it bothers me especially in the context of Obitine because so much of Satine's character is defined around her people, that they mean everything to her, but the fact that this is also true for Obi-Wan gets a little lost. Obi-Wan is as Jedi as Satine is Mandalorian. He also loves his people and cares deeply for them and feels responsibility for them and their well-being in a situation where the Republic is also trampling his Order's autonomy like it tries to do to Mandalore in Season 2. (Granted, the circumstances are different, but I'm going to stay on topic). Often I find that fandom ignores all of that and just mews about in the "love and feelings vs duty and commitment" acknowledging and reasonably often respecting that Obi-Wan has made a commitment to the Jedi and a life of service, but not that he is absolutely in a similar standing in terms of leadership and responsibility. In my opinion, it takes away from their different beliefs and approaches to their respective roles in the war and their relationship in general during that time period.

I am begging fandom to recognize especially in the context of Obitine that Obi-Wan is also a leader of his people.

[marvelstars]

The fact fandom sees Obi-Wan as an uwu baby at 25 years old while also considering that Anakin should have got his feelings over his mother together at 9 show how bad it can get when we infantilize the characters to suit our vision of them imo.

At 25 Obi-Wan was a grown young adult when he started taking care of Anakin, in fact many people in real life marry and have children at that age, in light of that his hurt feelings and jealousy over Qui-Gon asking him to be knighted, which is supposed to be a good thing, a recognition of his skills, so he could take care of Anakin, show Qui-Gon was right in that Obi-Wan still had some maduration to go but that he was ready to be a Jedi Knight.

ObiWan defeating Maul sealed the deal for the council but it also presents a very problematic precedent, it wasn´t his emotional maturity and wiseness the thing that made Obi-Wan a knight but his dueling skills in his combat with Maul after his master was killed.

In Anakin´s case at 9 he was old to be introduced to the Jedi because he isn´t 4 or 5 but he is very young to be made a padawan, they usually start at 13 or 14 like Ahsoka did. So given Obi-Wan wish to train him to make a reality Qui-Gon´s dying wish, Anakin was made a padawan sooner than when he was supposed to be one, not because he was a kind child who worried about others and wanted to make a lasting change in the galaxy for the slaves, he was made a padawan because of his power potential and the Jedi Order didn´t try to make adecuations to the fact he was old enough to remember seeing slaves being blow up by their masters and the fact his mother was still a slave and in constant danger of this happening to her as well. Nothing of this was addressed with Anakin, he was told in no uncertain terms that his responsibility and compromise with the Jedi Order, which he made at 9, didn´t involve him thinking about his mother or seeing her ever again. Anakin obeyed this dictate until his mother was tortured killed and he had his first fall to the dark side by taking revenge on the tuskens for the murder of his mother.

Later at 19 he is made a Knight not because he had shown a grown in his control over the force or his own feelings but because he was an able soldier with leadership skills which served him well to survive a war in which the majority of the padawans of his generation were killed , at 20 he was made a Jedi master for Ahsoka during war time, he was responsible of teaching her how to be a Jedi while also making sure she didn´t die while also taking care of his troops and giving victories to the Republic all of which he did, even when his padawan was expelled, even when his men were killed for knowing too much like in Fives case and at 23 he was a general and one of the leading Jedi in the war, married to Padme with a child on the way, so Anakin was two years younger than Obi-Wan was when he was still a padawan and meet Anakin for the first time. Anakin fell to the darkside and became Vader when he was 23 years old, two years younger than padawan Obi-Wan.

So If I use the age argument it wasn´t Obi-Wan the one who got pushed into a situation he could not have managed on his own for his age but Anakin definitely was, because of his particular power and skills even if the popular take is that Obi-Wan was a baby at 25 taking care of an ungrateful, unstable almost teenager Anakin as a 9 year old, for many fans Anakin never was a child but he was, the fact he didn´t had an actual childhood is another thing.

But well if we take this in consideration then it makes all the sense in the world Yoda choose to let Anakin´s twins grow up with their families, train Luke when he was an adult and not make him a Knight at 23 if he didn´t deal with his inner conflict over his father but it was Luke´s choice of not wanting to fight or kill his father but rather ask him to come back to him, to the person he used to be, the thing that made the difference. Anakin came back to save his child from his master, himself and the Empire, he gave up his life to give Luke and Luke´s dreams a chance.

So while age certainly is a factor it isn´t everything when it´s about a character grow and choices imo.

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

#like yes obi-wan's order is much smaller than mandalore & his burden is distributed but that doesn't change that he's responsible for them#and the jedi order and mandalore are in very very different positions politically and just in general serve different roles#but that doesn't deny that there are similarities#obi-wan should get recognition for his leadership#outside of obitine context too#but this is what was bothering me the other day#also worth pointing out that the show focuses on the general duty vs feelings thing because obitine is a foil for anidala#but this is all still true#and obviously obi-wan would not leave the order for satine in tcw era#like pls lmao there are so many reasons he wouldn't but even if he did then he wouldn't be the man satine loves#anyways now i'm just rambling#discussion#obitine (via @brachiosaurus-on)

I am begging fandom to recognize especially in the context of Obitine that Obi-Wan is also a leader of his people.

[itsblueberry13-blog]

#like yes obi-wan's order is much smaller than mandalore & his burden is distributed but that doesn't change that he's responsible for them#and the jedi order and mandalore are in very very different positions politically and just in general serve different roles#but that doesn't deny that there are similarities#obi-wan should get recognition for his leadership#outside of obitine context too#but this is what was bothering me the other day#also worth pointing out that the show focuses on the general duty vs feelings thing because obitine is a foil for anidala#but this is all still true#and obviously obi-wan would not leave the order for satine in tcw era#like pls lmao there are so many reasons he wouldn't but even if he did then he wouldn't be the man satine loves#anyways now i'm just rambling#discussion#obitine#obi wan kenobi#satine kryze#tcw#star wars

I am begging fandom to recognize especially in the context of Obitine that Obi-Wan is also a leader of his people.