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marinerofthestars · 3 years ago
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screaming into the void about arcane ep 5
Oh dang young Cait? GRAYSON? We be in flashback territory me hearties
Cool motive, still a cop
Wow Marcus really didn’t want anyone to know too much about his scapegoat (presuming he arrested Vi as a “dangerous criminal” to help him climb the career ladder)
Interesting – Cait knows who Silco is? And he’s an industrialist??
well looks like it’s time for some good old fashioned casual prison brutality
And now I’m wondering whether this is meant to show “there are no good cops, by being one you’re part of a fundamentally fucked institution”, or whether Riot are wimps and we’re trying to go “nOt AlL cOpS aRe BaD aPpLeS”
Well your city’s values are shit, but they did try to do something, so…kudos to them I guess
interesting, is that his kid or the kid of one of the Enforcers who got killed?
nvm
a good old not so subtle threat from Silco, but also him petting the dog and showing he gives a shit about people
Viktor, why do I get the sense that you’re one of those people?
well damn good on Jayce for actually trying to do something about the system
yesssss squirm Marcus, squirm like the maggot you are
Double helix…is this the origin of the Glorious Evolution? Is it really just going to be the result of magic-induced hallucinations? Or is Vik having an idea?
Interesting contrast of the blood and the steel of the guardrail, there’s probably a metaphor about humanity’s relationship to technology or the inevitability of emotion overcoming modernity’s logic, but I’m too lazy to find it
“To the realm of heebie-jeebies” Jayce you better not be trying to emulate Icathia young man
NOOOOO POWDER POOR BABY
Cait aren’t those tickets expensive? Oh wait you’re rich, you probably don’t think of it as a big expense (shower thought: do rich people think of themselves as being average money-wise? or are they aware what’s not a lot of money to them is an obscene amount to others?)
vi be doin parkour, trying to escape? or? Do some good old fashioned pursuer-pursued flirtation???
wait is that you, bald guy from the blonde Shimmer monster teenager’s gang? did you grow up?
“My little sister” ow
yeah honestly I’m with Viktor, using magic as a battery is nice and all but you can do so much more than you are with reality as your clay
roll credits
Ah, the good old “thing that the straight man thought was relevant isn’t and the wise guy seems to know less than they made themselves out to” trope
and a double switcheroo! “seemingly irrelevant task turns out to be important”
Ah Mel, as slimy and manipulative as ever (wait can someone tell me the optics are on the main “capitalist running dog” character being a black woman? I feel like that’s a little iffy but I’m not black and so don’t feel super qualified to judge)
Oh god it’s the scene from the trailer but EVEN WORSE
OH POWDER I AM SO SORRY YOU DESERVED SO MUCH BETTER
Remember when we just thought POW was meant to be a shorthand for “I like explosions” rather than a nickname? Good times, good times
ah a lovely visual metaphor for Powder’s fear she’s not strong enough
yeah bad mouthing Vi’s home, dumb move Cait
“favors among friends” my ass, you’re the problem with the system
yeah Jayce was VERY clearly uncomfortable with being offered councilor (could he have said no?)
well this seems…relatively innocuous (“support me and I’ll make sure you get access to my new stuff first”)
but of course, the fool shakes the devil’s hand, and his soul falls to the sound of laughing gods
beautiful violin music for fucked up politics tho! Wonder if it’s on YouTube or the Arcane OST
hey Cait be more sex positive! though with your background I can’t say I blame you, societal standards around sex work suck
*gasp* VICAIT VICAT VICAIT VICSIT
WOMEN YES YOU GO GIRL
omg that horrendously bad southern accent that immediately goes back to British/Piltovan(?)
“pirate”
oh my GOD
YOU
yussy is canonically plot-relevant I can’t
ah the coin stained with Grayson’s blood, Very Symbolic (but seriously why would he keep that coin? Even if it’s a reminder shouldn’t the blood be brown?)
OH SHIT THAT’S A WAY TO REMOVE A CHARACTER FROM THE PICTURE
HOW IS SILCO GOING TO SURVIVE THIS??
nvm Marcus continues to suck
I mean Topside will definitely have political and economic power – being able to explode skulls with magic doesn’t necessarily translate to true power, as lots of fiction is eager to forget
well, that plus I’m pretty sure he’s more a bio than a physics/mechanics/thaumaturgics guy
Yussy giving us some good old fashioned “do what you gotta do” survivor mentality
I am a mariner of the good ship Vicait but just this??? Cait?? Being tender?? With another woman??? 🥺🥺🥺 A+
Mel I’m sorry but you are so full of shit
viktor: Heterosexuality? in My laboratory? you fool. you nincompoop. you turnip holding dullard. my only loves are unethical science and glaring at jayce talis as i enter a state of sophisticated malding
and red, for the Evolution yet to come
oh shit *this* is the Evolution’s birth! presumably Viktor will wake up, see the hextech reacted to his blood, and realize integrating hextech with flesh is the way to go
ooh 2D fluid animation
Well fuck they just
What
Wh
Uh
Why are they intercutting these two scenes
I got spoiled and knew there was a Jayce/Mel sex scene at some point but why did they have to frame it like that
“better then gen:LOCK’s” my ass
Guess there’s your equal and opposite reaction – for every tender Cait and ViCait scene, there’s a really weird het sex scene
damn Jayce is really just this post but steampunk
Silco: dips
jinx: “um dad are you okay this can’t be happening again”
is it just me or does Silco look actually hot after that chem dip? If nothing else his hair’s def slicked back
Powder this might sound good but I promise you it’s gonna fuck you up in the end
“You’re strong now” kiddo you gotta make like Allison Ruth and realize that strength beyond strength is found only in those you love
“Jinx is perfect” oh god does he know what this means to her?
uh Silco why do you gotta hold her Like That
and this DEFINITELY isn’t healthy are you going to give her a rebreather Silco? Is she just going to hold her breath??? What if she emerges a new kickass woman and then dies a week later from septic shock???
JINX SHIMMER TRANSFORMATION?
no
something better
BWOMP
BWOMP (LOOK OUT FOR YOURSELF)
IT’S THE BOYS
THEY CANONICALLY EXIST IN UNIVERSE
WAS THAT MUSIC VIDEO OF THEM RELEASED BEFORE ACT II OR AM I JUST BEHIND
BECAUSE IF IT WAS RELEASED BEFORE THEN DAMN THAT’S A NICE TEASER
I am now just realizing that I would like sevika to please step on me
Bastard man is miserable at work! Good for him
wow that drawing does NOT bode well for his chances of survival (also can we please just let shitty cops be shitty without any redemption arcs? bad people can have sympathetic qualities but still be bad people)
Part of me – a small, silent part – feels kinda bad for Mel, because to the surprise of nobody it turns out being a manipulative elite is lonely
Oh
Oh fuck
This is much worse than just nausea and a nosebleed
Ah some good ol major arcana! though I’m not sure if they represent people or events, or if it’s just a cool little detail that ultimately doesn’t mean anything
YOU GO VI
oh so those guys ARE blonde shimmer monster’s old gang members! Bald guy got his nose fucked up tho
Wait it’s been a While since I saw Act I, did Vi and Sevika know each other? or is she a traitor in a broader class traitor sense?
ah the good ol fashioned slow mo cape throw off. bit cliche, but still classic!
OOF that’s gotta have hurt
okay at first I was wondering if I was overanalyzing this fight scene but. there’s definitely something iffy about all the protags being white and more antagonistic characters (Mel, Sevika) being POC
okay make the darker skinned woman display visibly animalistic behavior okay okay yep this is totally fine /s
at first I wasn’t sure how I felt about how the punches’ weight not seeming to connect, but yeah it’s very clear that this is a visceral fight, like episode 1 – no theatrics, just two people trying to beat the ever living shit out of each other and gradually wearing each other down
oh that reaction to her name is subtle but speaks volumes
OH FUCK
a mortal wound, to body and soul
Cait not saying you should have but you could absolutely have headshot her, especially in that brief pause where you looked all cinematic-like
thank you for proving my point Vi
Again, not saying killing her was justifiable (though maybe I’m overthinking how much socioeconomics influence the morality of a no punches pulled fight) but it’s kinda yours Cait
“But you’re so sweet. Like a cupcake.” “Shut up.” MY HEART
oh fuck Jinx is gonna use magic, like not just as a battery but actually do reality warping shit, oh god oh fuck
also as an aside: LOVE how Arcane portrays Jinx here. it’s nice to see the fact that she’s not only a mechanical genius (all her weapons? SHE BUILT THOSE HERSELF), but a mechanical genius who deals with psychosis (in maybe less than healthy ways, but still) highlighted, rather than just having her be “haha funny crazy explosion girl
Sevika: comes in clearly having been beaten up and with a busted arm
Silco: dammit sev I just got done with my eye goop needle
act ii finale is going to wreck me isn't it
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iximaz · 5 years ago
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Running thoughts on The Mandalorian Episode 8
This episode summed up in one word: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA???!!!
I’m only gonna say it once: MASSIVE spoilers beyond the break!
THEY PUT BABY YODA IN THE BAG ASDFGHJKL; YOU MONSTERS aw cute point of view shot from inside the bag but also HOW DARE YOU
DID YOU JUST SERIOUSLY HIT MY BABY 
did you seriously do it TWICE
Okay these two troopers have big Taika energy and as much as I already hate them I’m laughing my ass off
These two trying some target practice to pass the time can’t shoot for shit and I’m living for it
That other trooper be like
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Okay it’s not just me who heard that trooper say “Oh my god”, right??
You go Baby Yoda, you bite that mean trooper WHO JUST FUCKING PUNCHED YOU WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM I HOPE THEY DIE
oh my god IG you better show them what’s what
Breaking that fucker’s arm after he hit Baby Yoda yesssssss
IG is an icon and i love him
“The Mandalorians have a covert down in the sewers” oh that’s neat so that’s where it was
“If we can get down there, they can help us escape” uhhh Dyn how long has it been since they said they’d have to relocate buddy
Oh the troopers are getting out a big gun thing this is fine they’ll just miss with it anyway
...What the hell kind of sewer has access inside a bar lounge?
can we just get more footage of cara with her big gun being sexy and stuff please
SHE’S FROM ALDERAAN HOLY SHIT WHAT
HE KNOWS THEIR NAMES OH SHIT
!!!!! SPELLING CONFIRMED IT’S DIN DJARIN MY MAN I NEED TO GO EDIT MY FANFIC NOW BUT AAAAAAAA
“Night of a Thousand Tears” is this just me or does this just sorta feel like Kristallnacht like seriously yikes and also oof
Ughhhhh I hate Moff Gideon so good job writers on that I absolutely loathe your villain well done
“Mandalorian isn’t a race.” “It’s a Creed.” FUCKIN YES THANK YOU THIS IS SOMETHING FANS WON’T SHUT UP ABOUT
baby din is so precious and i wanna feed him cookies and tell him it’s gonna be okay send help please
ARE THOSE DEATH WATCH MANDOS OH MY GODDDDDDD
Baby Din being carried away via jetpack my heart
Oh man so the Purge would have happened semi-recently which means Din’s clan are a more orthodox version of the Way that’s neat aw shit Imma have to tweak my fic again aren’t I
Baby Yoda and IG-11 on the bike together are just stunning
“I am fulfilling my base function. ... To nurse and protect.” YOU GO NURSE DROID IG
Greef downing shots thinking he’s gonna die is honestly such a mood
hnggg yess more of Cara being sexy AF
MOFF JUST BLEW UP MY HUSBAND HOW DARE YOU
Cara yes RESCUE HIM PLEASE
“If you go near this child, I will have no choice but to kill you.” ME TOO
Oh shit oh shit that’s chunky blood
Not good not good not good
Din baby please you can’t die this is your show
oh god is he gonna need to take the helmet off
oh no he’d rather die than take it off
he wants cara to protect his baby send help
“the foundling” BABY YODA IS CONFIRMED HIS SON NOW AAA
BABY YODA REDIRECTING THE FIREBALL YOU’RE DOING AMAZING SWEETIE
Din asking IG to kill him nooo ;-;
The episode’s only half over and I still haven’t seen some of the trailer shots how’re they getting out of this
oh
oh m
my god
“No living thing has s-seen me without m-my helmet since I s-swore the C-Creed—” Din stoppit stop stuttering and dying you’re breaking my heart
Oh no is this gonna make him stop hating droids so much is this a loophole is this not can he not be Mandalorian is he g
oh my g
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Din baby look at what they’ve done to you
(internally: oh my god he’s hot this is not fair imma die send help my ovaries am become explode)
HE’S SO EXPRESSIVE WITHOUT THE HELMET
his reaction to IG’s attempt to make a joke like my god aaaaaaa
I’m just gonna go cry seeing all the helmets and armor piled up here if we’re gonna continue the Jews parallel this is like all the shoes you see at Holocaust museums and I bet this was 100% intentional
Din just slowly falling to his knees seeing it :(
Oh thank fuck the Armorer is actually alive and the preview scene wasn’t from a flashback!
She knows about the Jedi~~~
Din: “So you mean this thing is my baby now?” Armorer: “Bitch haven’t you been watching the entire show”
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For real this brings my heart so much fucking joy I can’t even
“You are a clan of two.” ASDFGHJKL; AAAA
HE GOT THE MUDHORN AS HIS SIGNET AFTER ALL
“Have you trained in the Rising Phoenix?” JETPACK?
“When I was a boy, yes.”
JETPACK!!!!!!
BABY DIN LEARNING HOW TO USE A JETPACK ART NOW PLEASE AAA
Also okay so like he says nobody’s said his name since he was a kid but apparently the entire clan knows it? What? Did I miss something? Guys?
Maybe he’s never heard the name from people outside the clan? Fuck it, that’s what Imma go with
Oh my god the Armorer beating the absolute hell out of those Stormtroopers I am so gay for her right now aaaaa
Cara watching Greef and Din trying to move the boat and then she just shoots the dock it’s on XD
aww the little R2 unit’s got little arms WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING IT’S GOT LEGS TOO??
Din: “I don’t suppose anybody here speaks droid?” IG-11: “bish u wot m8″
God the convection from this lava river’s gotta be brutal
omg fire ferrets good bois good bbs
...Literally everything about IG’s death and Din starting to overcome his hatred of droids just in time to watch his savior self-destruct to save them all hurts so hard, jesus christ
oh shit it’s the Moff in a TIE
“Come on, baby! Do the magic hand thing!” Greef you absolute icon i love u
Baby Yoda just fuckin waving back at him and cooing im ded
oh shit it’s motherfuckin JETPACK TIME
wait how’s he wearing it over the cape won’t the cape burn up
Nvm he’s got the cape slung over one shoulder now
HE FLYIN HE FLYIN HE FLYIN
aAaAaAaAaAaAaA THAT CAN’T BE GOOD FOR HIS ARMS
hahaha Moff get fuckin REKT (no way he’s dead though people climb out of worse crashes than that all the time)
Okay Din using the jetpack is way sexier than it should be can he just take me now please i thirst
Cara becoming Greef’s enforcer is just perfect and I hope we see more of these two in the next season also sweet Din is gonna find his life a lot easier now that he’s not running from the Guild
BABY YODA WANTS TO BE PICKED UP BY HIS DADDY MY HEART AAAA IT’S JUST LIKE WHEN DIN WAS SAVED AS A KID
He made Kuiil a grave im not crying ur crying
is he gonna name the baby Kuill
Baby Yoda has the pendant he gave Cara!!
HE GETS TO KEEP THE PENDANT DIN HAS ACCEPTED HE’S GOT A SON AAA
And now we pan back to the wreck where Moff is climbing out of it
or not
fuckin Jawas, man
Now Moff?
wait
oh
my
g
w
o
OH
MY GOD
IT’S
IT’S THE DARKSABER!!!!!!!!
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mittensmorgul · 8 years ago
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I think there's a zero % chance of the nephilim being truely good without a catch. Having a superpowered child as a plotline that just a innocent babs is not a storyline. Not to mention it's already enforcing some form of a plan and it's not even born yet; saving Kelly, getting rid of Dagon, getting Cas and Cas to protect him even over Sam and Dean, the fact after the golden eyes Kelly and Cas are both super invested in the nephilim beign born with powers, it wants these powers for a reason
RIGHT?!
Honestly since that creepy shot in the doctor’s office in 12.17 where the baby turned its head like it was looking directly at the doctor on the sonogram I’ve been giving it a lot of credit for being “decidedly not human normal.”
(I mean that whole scene happened because WE NEEDED TO SEE HOW NOT-NORMAL THAT BABY WAS. So not-normal that Dagon IMMEDIATELY reverted to mind-wiping the doctor in order to stop him from saying just how not-normal the baby was out loud to Kelly…)
I will start by reaffirming that the creepybadwrong magically growing baby thing is ubergross to me. I wish they’d written pretty much ANYTHING else this season, because dammit we just HAD Amara doing the creepy baby thing LAST SEASON. Okay, enough damn creepybabby stories. We get it. It’s gross. Pls stop *coughbucklemmingcough*.
But it’s what we have, so…
I’ve got SOME suspicions of what might be going on with the kid, some of which are just wild speculation, but some of which I’m pretty confident about. I’ll be vague and leave you to decide which are which…
The kid is half-human, but also half-angel (which means grace). We know very little about how angels are made, but speculation seems to run high toward “they spring fully formed into existence.” I love comics and fic of the “baby angels” growing up and learning how to be good grown-up angels as much as the next person, but I have no illusions that canon angels were ever “babies.” Or that they were ever anything other than fully-formed celestial wavelengths of intent. They were very literally created by God.
(and great now I can’t stop thinking about Athena springing fully formed from Zeus’ head… but honestly? That’s sort of how I’m imagining the nephilim here. Because Kelly ISN’T an immortal god who can recover from something like that…)
(have I mentioned today JUST HOW MUCH TIME I spend thinking about the nature of angel grace? Okay. I mentioned it now. :D)
So because this child IS “half angel,” or at least “half angel grace,” I firmly believe that even if its “human side” is just a human-ish looking baby, the part of it that is an angel is already fully-developed. The only thing holding it back now is the biologically human bits. And it’s even building THAT at a much faster than normal-human rate.
No wonder it’s sort of “using up” Kelly in the process. At least that’s how I’ve been thinking of this.
It’s not good or evil, it’s selfish. Which I suppose might be considered “evil,” but it’s not making that choice for itself. That’s just what it does. Like, mosquitoes aren’t inherently evil, they’re just trying to live. Heck, even like most of the monsters in SPN. They’re just trying to survive, stay under the radar of the hunters who’d see them dead, and go about their business.
The difference with the nephilim is that combination of human free will (that comes with the kit!) combined with the unwavering nature of angelic certainty (I won’t call it “faith,” because in this case, it’s not).
Think of this particular baby’s parentage, too. Yes, Lucifer is Fallen, but he is still an archangel. He’s inherently a creature of Heaven even if he’s been exiled to Hell. He’s still made of the same grace that all the other angels (or archangels, since they seem infinitely more powerful than run of the mill seraphs) are made of. There’s nothing inherently “evil” in Lucifer’s grace.
Heck, even LUCIFER was set on destroying his own creations, the demons. He has just as much disdain for demons as he does for humanity. So nursemaid Dagon never really stood a chance here.
And now I can’t help think back to Jesse the Antichrist, whose powers came online when the final seal broke. But he’d had what, 9 or 10 years to learn how to Human properly before he had his powers sprung on him? Yeah, this baby doesn’t even have that…
So it senses Dagon’s intentions for it, and has already decided (because it’s half ANGEL remember), that this demonic abomination must die. It must know Kelly cares for it, and I think it’s pretty clear that we’re supposed to assume that she cares for it because IT IS MAKING HER CARE FOR IT, because it needs her the way an angel needs a vessel, and honestly that’s where my brain just wants to start screaming and run away from talking about this entire plot arc, but the show insists on giving it to us so here I am stuck with this squicky horror…
Where was I? Right… 
(nvm I have no idea where I was because I had to take a mental break from typing this. have i mentioned that everything about the nephilim completely squicks me out? okay… deep breaths mittens we can do this)
We’ve seen Lucifer communicating with Dagon in some sort of hybrid angel radio/prayer/demonic blood bowl phone without the bowl of blood telepathic way. I assume that’s because he can’t perform that trick directly with Kelly (or with the baby). So Dagon’s been the go-between out of necessity. But Dagon is still a demon. Not a creature of Heaven, not a creature of Angel Grace (despite having a lot of similar powers to angels). By angel standards, she is an abomination.
I mean, so’s the nephilim, but I don’t think the nephilim would consider itself an abomination, you know? It is what it is. And it wants to be born and to live and continue to do its thing, and has the power to manipulate its environment to suit its needs.
I think it demonstrated that admirably when it healed Kelly from her suicide attempt. It couldn’t allow its current vessel (because I honestly don’t think it considers Kelly anything more than a vessel it needs to grow its human body for it) to “fail.”
But we’ve seen how Dagon was able to “influence” humans, via her mind-wipe of the doctor. I think the “angel side” of the nephilim has been mostly “dormant” up to this point, either because the human side was still developing enough for it to actively engage this way or because Dagon was somehow keeping it under control until it grew powerful enough to thwart that control.
Going back to what we learned about nephilim in 12.10, they apparently “grow into their power.” So that theory isn’t coming entirely out of left field, here.
So this baby is “growing into its power.” It’s less than a month from being born. At the beginning of 12.19 Kelly was so adamant that it NOT be born that she attempted to kill herself. Then she agreed to Joshua’s suicide plan of walking through the Heaven Portal. But the nephilim thwarted THAT as well.
It saw its opportunity in Kelly’s moment of weakness with Cas in that motel room, and I can’t help but believe that when her eyes flashed gold, that was the death of Kelly’s free will. That was the nephilim taking full control over her beliefs and actions. If only they’d showed up with the grace extraction sooner, I think she would’ve agreed to let them try it. But it was already too late, and she refused. Because the NEPHILIM refused for her.
She says she has “faith” that the child being born with its full power will “save the world.” But I think that’s the nephilim talking through her.
She went from actively trying to die and take the baby with her to doing EVERYTHING in her power to see it born, even though she knows it will kill her. And Cas confessed his own weakness, that he wished he had her faith, and that’s where the nephilim granted his wish… Kelly took Cas’s hand at the sandbox and the nephilim gave Cas faith.
Do I believe this is “real faith?” Absolutely, 100% NO.
And here’s where my second anon in my inbox seems relevant to mention here:
What do think will happen to Cas’ narrative and endgame now? I had been predicting (hoping) that his whole arc has been moving closer to a point where he’d choose the Winchesters for good. Now, after 12x19, it seems different. It’s like a bit of season 4 Cas was revived. He’s got this same type of faith he used to have, and maybe he’ll be raising a baby next season. Do you have any predictions? I’m hoping his endgame is still with the Winchesters, but now I’m concerned…
CAS DOES NOT HAVE “THE SAME TYPE OF FAITH HE USED TO HAVE,” and I honestly DO NOT BELIEVE that he will be raising this baby next season.
He’s being CONTROLLED by the nephilim right now.
Remember in 6.06 when Dean asked for truth, and then got SLAMMED with it? Remember in 4.08 when people were making wishes on this ancient cursed Babylonian coin and all the wishes turned very bad? Remember in 12.17 when Mick of the MoL mentioned he was brought into the MoL when he pickpocketed an ancient cursed Babylonian coin?
The wishes go bad. They violate the natural order. They invoke Cosmic Consequences.
Do you see where I’m going with this?
I think the nephilim itself is a sort of embodiment of this concept of Cosmic Consequences. It’s a factor of chaos, a violation of the natural order.
I am so freaking tempted to go off into an expository rant about how Dean Winchester is the embodiment of Balance and Order (despite having “violated the natural order” again and again). But he IS “Humanity.” He is Free Will. He was the one Cas did everything for, and he was the one both God and the Darkness designated as “the firewall between light and darkness.” He’s the one Death taught his lessons to about the natural order, and he’s the one who KILLED Death… Essentially every character on the show has eventually bent to his will. INCLUDING FREAKING GOD HIMSELF.
Dean wanted the universe to be in balance, so it was balanced. Hooray 11.23.
But then Mary came back. Because DEAN needed to discover that balance in himself, and the only way to find balance is to understand the imbalance. She’s been the cosmic consequence unbalancing the natural order since she showed up.
All season I’ve been waiting for the MoL storyline and the Lucifer storyline to intersect… and I think it’s all going to hinge on Mary, and on Dean finally getting “what he needs most” from Mary… i.e. an acknowledgement of the imbalance within himself that’s been built on the pedestal he’s kept Mary on since he was four.
The nephilim, in contrast, seems to be a force of anti-free will. And this goes right back to one of the show’s core principles, that free will and choice are greater than blind faith and destiny. Right now it’s seemingly stripped Cas of all his doubts, all his free will, all his choice. He asked for faith, and he got SLAMMED with it…
But NOTHING about it is CAS. It’s not his choice, not his free will. Because we know he’d rejected Heaven and duty and destiny, and had been doing EVERYTHING FOR THE WINCHESTERS. HIS FAMILY. So this sudden attack of “faith” that came in the form of the same weird glowy-veiny laser-eyes treatment that we last saw him suffer in 7.17 when he took on Sam’s Hell Damage and left him CATATONIC and damaged… well… 
What I’m saying is he needs something to break free from the will of the nephilim, to regain his own free will…
What broke the connection, Cas?
He’s gonna have to plainly answer that question this time.
Okay I think that’s as much brain as I have for this :D
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unicornmagic · 8 years ago
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@foyernormanchapel   *ROLLS IN UR TAG COMMENTS*
Cut for, uh...spoilers??  For my own fic lmao
#so law enforcement can use unforgivable curses even during peace time??? that could be dodgy  #using imperius to enforce good behaviour now that's a head ache too  #felt bad about tina running around in a wild goose hunt as well tbh  #mr graves has a handful of ethical dilemmas on hand...  #''if you decide to remember i'll write to you again if that's all right. i miss you''  #gosh dang it that was painful  #and the gravity of credence's situation really sank in this chapter  #like....... what to do with the angry magic whirlpool..............  #like...... how...............  #anyhoo another great chapter!!!!!!  #so excited to see where this goes  #fic rec  #***oh wait nvm grindelwald is running around makes sense to allow unforgivables  
RE: Unforgivables, yeah, because the tenor of the time is "terrorist threat mode," I decided Picquery has granted special powers, similar to those of wartime, at least to her Director of Security.*  Idk that yr bog-standard Auror is similarly authorized, tho.  Tina wouldn't be OK with using them, even if she could.  
* Considering that he can also summarily order executions lmao--I mean, even assuming that bit in the film was Grindels going rogue, and NOT standard/legal MACUSA procedure, if nothing else Grindels seemed to think he-as-Graves could get away with summarily executing a foreign national and a government employee.  Like, maybe he'd get a wrist-slap for not following proper protocols??  Or did he plan to cover it up completely idk.  Those smiley executioner ladies tho ._. MACUSA WHY.
The ethics of using magical mind control to stop child abuse, amirite?  I'm honestly not sure I have a problem with Graves doing what he did in this specific instance, especially not if I compare Mary Lou's fate here to possible alternatives: A.) no change to status quo, she just goes on abusing kids with impunity, B.) poetic justice per JKR, i.e. she gets violently killed by the violent force she's largely responsible for creating, or C.) if she were to be convicted by the criminal justice system of the abuse and assault we know she committed, years of imprisonment in which her physical freedom is curtailed.  Here, she's alive and largely free to go about her life, she just can't...set kids on fire anymore...forgive me if I'm not losing a lot of sleep over that outcome (I too am ethically dubious lmao).  But it's not scaleable, is the thing.  Like, I'm probably not gonna agitate for legalization of the Imperius Curse for systemic use.  XD;
Anyway, I think Mr. G is trying, but if he were better versed in No-Maj child protection efforts maybe he would've just...called the NYSPCC...lol, next time get a No-Maj lawyer, buddy.  Even if he were to use appropriate channels, tho, that would take time, and in the meantime ig he prefers dodgy mind control to leaving Modesty in danger of physical harm.
Re: what to do about angry magic whirlpool, oh man, thank you, am extremely glad to know the problem has been set up as intended!  (Confidence level about plot: zero)
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