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Rare footage of the French Revolutionaries desperately trying to upheld the Revolution's ideals with their writing:
#french revolution#frev#history#frevblr#frev community#frev memes#jean paul marat#camille desmoulins#maximilien robespierre#louis antoine de saint just#not you Hébert you don't get a mention#history memes#history shitposting#1700s
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Don't you ever mention Hébert or Robespierre again in all the 15-odd years left in your pitiful Maraisard life or I'll shoot myself. Im so pissed off about this I could honestly go outside right now and set up a fusillade just for spite"s sake and it would entirely be the fault of YOU and your venomous calumny,paid for by WILLIAM PITT no doubt,and what's worse is that there's no consequences for this nowaday. See,in my France,when the merciful and good Saint-Just still had the say-so,even half a canto of one of your dumb fucking posts would be enough to get one tribunaled. But nowadays one can just go online and say all sorts of counter-revolutionary,Girondist,Rolandine,Brissotin,Indulgent,Thermidorian,Feuillantesque,DUMB . FUCKING NONSENSE. And not face even a single consequence...and I thinks that's not so good. Possibly even bad if I'm being completely honest,which I am. If you ever feel the compulsion to post about one of the noble and virtuous men of the Montagne of 1794 again (or Hébert for that matter) please be aware that I will be rendering my remains unrecognizable by way of a sawn-off shotgun.
Calm down, kid.
#death threats#threats#tw sui ideation#Suicide threats#I made him mad by... mentioning historical fact?#I don't understand#Copypasta
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"What's up with Camille?" = "For what did he get guillotined and was it worth it?"
Oh this man, this man! Thank you for specifying what exactly you are looking for, I will try my best to explain.
Camille was an excellent journalist, but his temper, pride and naiveness was often getting in the way, and eventually led him into his unfortunate death. He died along with people assigned with the dantonists, officially accused of an anti-government conspiracy and cooperation with Dumoriez, the Orleans and Fabre d'Églantine. Desmoulins got himself in trouble along with the faction he chose for himself; published articles pointed against the committee of public safety, which obviously didn't want to let it pass, and propagated his strong views associated with the dantonists. His fellows were connected with scandals, which didn't help, and accused of plotting to restore the monarchy bringing the Orleans to power; it was more than incorrect in terms of Camille Desmoulins, who, despite having a lot of issues, was one of the most devoted republicans, who believed in the republic even since the very beginning of the revolution in 1789 when it was a rather rare view as everyone was still cheering for constitutional monarchy. Obviously it doesn't mean Desmoulins wasn't corrupt, and he did have connections with the royals, and lead a rather extravagant lifestyle compared with many other politicians; there were just reasons to connect the dots.
What makes Camille's case different is that he actually had a chance not to get in trouble.
At the break of 1793 and '94 Camille was attacking members of the government in his newspaper, le Vieux Cordelier, which started to collide with the CPS as it was pro-dantonist, and started to pass as counter-revolutionary behaviour. His articles were extreme, and I don't have to mention that they put him in a dangerous situation given how drastic measures the government was forced to use to make the revolution survive; at the same time, there was also the whole mess with hébert going on. The republic was facing an extremely difficult situation with both inner and outer conflicts, and as the 'ultras' grew in power, making it all more messy than it already was, Desmoulins along with his Dantonist buddies thought himself to stand against it and, in the meantime, the Committee of Public Safety, which caused even. More. Mess. TM.
Camille's views and behaviour clashed with the Jacobins a lot, and he was attacked at the club, even removed from it, which worsened his situation. Among the Jacobins, Robespierre tried his best to come to rescue and make Camille come to his senses; on 7th January he asked Camille to stop publishing and burn his writing, and you guessed it, no luck - it only led to a fight, and crossing Desmoulins out of the list of club members while he kept on publishing controversial writings in the least suitable time imaginable.
Robespierre was also fighting a battle with the CPS at the time, advocating for Camille not to be dragged into the case, as, according to him Desmoulins was strongly influenced by Danton and wrote on his command (we can argue on this one, but you can see the argument was meant to show him as innocent in a way), but the majority had a different opinion and his veto couldn't last forever, as the situation was rapidly changing as well. Camille's actions kept making R look worse in the eyes of other members too, and more of it, while attacking the CPS a countless times Desmoulins was ironically comfortable feeling like his colleague (whom he attacked too!) would keep cleaning up the mess he makes. And surprise - Robespierre couldn't do much. In the end, Camille shot both himself and Robespierre, who openly defended him, in the knee a few times, too proud to back down and sure he was doing the right thing. It lead to the point where nothing else could have been done, the Dantonists, along with a few others, were arrested, and Camille, who could have avoided it quite easily if his temper didn't get in the way, was eventually guillotined despite all the strings Robespierre tried to pull to get him out.
Was it worth it? Definitely not; as much as Camille Desmoulins began to only cause trouble with his writing in 1794, he was known to quite quickly change his views depending on current influence (not really in the fake conformist way, this man was stubborn as hell with hie beliefs - it was more of his actual mindset changing). We don't know what would happen if he wasn't executed on 16th Germinal, but I personally believe his death was avoidable and unnecessary even in the tough circumstances, but the whole trial of the dantonists is a terribly complicated case so I tries not to get deeper into it for now. In my opinion, there was a good chance that he would calm down if spared, but who knows?
I don't mean to make Camille sound like a bad person here - he was an idealist who clearly believed in what he was saying, full of passion and love for the people, but despite his talent and intelligence he died an unnecessary death that could have been likely to avoid if he listened to his brain, or at least, Robespierre, who turned the committee upside down to defend him. Still, this pure chaos is totally lovable!
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