#not just about Byler but about general themes and what is happening in the plot

[stranger-feathers]

Funniest thing about the stranger things love triangles for me is still the way the writers used almost the same plot beats twice, with siblings on both sides, with similar thematic resonance, and half the fans have still not caught up on where they're going. You are allowed to think it's not going to end up with canon Byler. But the amount of fans (people who are actually invested in watching and understanding the show you know) who won't even admit that they could be setting up a love triangle is still so strange to me. Genuinely, what more do you need to at least consider the possibility ?

[bugsbenefit]

attraction in ST

or. oh god stop stripping the show of it's themes no please no it needs those, stopppp

actually making this post now bc i'm sick of people claiming anything remotely sexual or even kissing happening to the party (an opinion that often pops up in the context of byler) in s5 would be horrible, sexualising, or out of character for the show

ST has always had a realistic approach to kids growing into their sexualities. the show's never shied away from directly addressing sex and sexual feelings so i'm honestly amazed by the extremely puritan interpretation of the show. i'm assuming, in good faith, that a big part of it is coming from people not having seen the actual show in ages and are just forgetting how explicitly the show handles sexuality. instead of just assuming it's from culturally raised christian people, who feel uncomfortable seeing any portrayal of sexuality, no matter how tasteful or realistic

i'm also saying all this as an ace person myself, i get not being into sex and not wanting to see it. however, refusing to acknowledge entire themes of a fictional show just because i don't experience them is bizarre to me. sexuality is vitally important to a lot of the characters and isn't just there to be fun(gross). essentially, ST is the opposite of porn without plot

so just as a little reminder what's actually IN Stranger Things. canonically.

sorry i had this sc for ages and wanted to include it Somewhere, so here you go. at a little starter... dorry

also this is an old draft seeing the light of day now, if anything's worded weird it's bc i didn't read all of it over again so oops, grammar hard?

TLDR: the show has never shied away from explicitly addressing sexuality. buying into the puritan fanon version of the show is going to make your s5 viewing experience worse because that show doesn't exist

season 1

we're starting the show off with Stancy, which is very sexually charged in general. (even in s4 Nancy still experiences physical attraction to Steve despite them having unchanged compatibility) the plot surrounding them in s1 explicitly focuses on Nancy having sex with Steve and later regretting that choice. the scene that everyone remembers, is of course, the "explicit" (not really, because ST is really tasteful with how it shows these teens explore themselves) sex scene

they're in sophomore and junior year of highschool here. around 15 and 16 years old - yet the show doesn't shy away from letting them figure things out. and it's not like this sexual theme is contained in only that scene. it keeps coming back the whole season as Nancy tries to sort her feelings out and deals with the aftermath of that night

also sidenote here while still at Steve and his party: even Steve's friends are very casual with their sexualities. and yes, they can even explicitly mention sex and specific sexual acts, no holding back here

Nancy's character conflict in s1 very much hinges on her sexuality and sexual themes. and it's not like there is a magic you need to be at least this old rule to know what sex is on the show like so many people seem to believe, because even 12 year old Mike seems to very much know what his sister and Steve are up to. he even goes out of his way to use it against her

iconic line! but i've seen insane takes trying to spin this into something not alluding to something sexual. i'm sorry to say if he doesn't think they're full on having sex he at least thinks they're getting very intimate with each other regardless

so not even the youngest characters on the show are "innocent and pure" the way fandom likes to claim when it comes to sexuality. and of course they aren't. real 12 year olds know what sex is, they're young not oblivious

and the following seasons make that even more obvious

season 2

as of s2 the kids are getting more involved with the sexual jokes, not just making them about other people but even being directly involved with those themes themselves. which is also realistic. with 13 sexuality starts to get thrown your way by every possible form of media. lots of them start developing crushes, have no idea how relationships work, etc. it's messy, typical teens thrown into the dating game. (i say all of this from a developmental media psychology perspective thanks uni and not personal experience sorry lmao, i'm a bit too ace to have my own input here)

s2 features comedic and awkward mentions of sex(ual activity) towards Lucas and Max,

older peers giving their 13 year old friends well meant advice on how relationships work,

and has even younger characters play around with attraction/kissing/love as well, which is incredibly normal for kids to do at that age

they're all young and the show treats growing up realistically. while the theme of attraction or sexuality gets more relevant for them (in scenes that are often received with awkwardness by the characters themselves) the show offers them safe territory to stand on. none of them are directly confronted with sexuality and are instead offered people to seek advice from for example

meanwhile the sexuality theme for the older kids is still very much explicit. just as Nancy's arc is still heavily tied to her romance and sexuality (which ties into her non conformity themes - she's an ambition driven person trying to escape the culdesac life first and foremost)

not only do we get another sex scene (this time with a cut away), there's also explicit jokes about it after

sexuality on the show is continuously awkward and messy. Jonathan and Nancy are only 16-17 here - no one really knows what they're doing or what the right way to go ahead is and Jonathan rightfully almost does a spittake here. out of pocket Murray

sexuality. is. awkward. (we get is s2 thanks)

season 3

s3 gets even more explicit with it's awkward puberty sexuality themes

from Dustin talking about how much he likes kissing Suzie (and her liking him not having teeth for it?) which weirds Steve out to the repeating, awkwardly received, "happy screams joke" (which gets a callback in later scene)

sexuality is still awkward for them. it's a realistic approach to what 14 year olds act like and know. they're actively dating by now, they're kissing people And have messy relationship situations. all while still acknowledging knowing what sex and attraction is, duh, of course they know that. but i'm explicitly pointing it out because i see obscene amounts of people claiming the characters are completely sheltered and even implying that they know what sex is would be gross. to that i say, do you not remember being 14???

and while i'm at s3, also let it be mentioned that even the adults are suffering at the hands of the sexuality theme here. Hopper's hookups with random women are focused on in s1, but now that he's getting closer with Joyce they get very explicitly told to just have sex. literally

not putting the whole dialogue in here, i already have too many images because there's so many sex mentions in this show and he really just tells them their mating ritual is painful and they should tear their clothes off and fuck right now

thanks Murray, always insightful

season 4

and s4 has stopped just confronting the kids with the existence of sexuality, but is tentatively starting to explore mature themes more directly - which allows them to tentatively start exploring their own sexualities instead of just having to acknowledge the general concept of sexuality

Max gets to ogle shirtless Steve

Lucas has something under his bed that's never confirmed as anything except "100/10 gross" but had 90% of the audience i saw immediately assume something sexual (magazines or the like)

and has a bunch more direct nudges, from the kids "experimenting sexually" as Murray says

to Argyle explicitly telling Jonathan he needs to have sex with Nancy again

to Hopper and Joyce's escalating make out in a church while shirtless

to visual innuendos (i'm looking at you hose scene. this one wouldn't be such a big deal if there wasn't a genuine moral panic about it last year. which was crazy. people literally had to pretend the scene didn't exist to escape the witchhunting mobs, except instead of being killed for magic it'd be for looking at a canon scene and acknowledging it. crazy times - aside from that there's also more visuals you can take as innuendos in s4e1 which there's already posts about out there so i'm not getting into them here, i'm more focused on the overt textual references)

to Yuir extensively talking about pleasing women and making them cum (I'm sparing you from that, the sc in at the top was already enough)

to explicit graffities all over the place, like here as an example "give me head until i'm dead" which is in frame for the whole phone call and Steve talking about his bitchlesness. and is also some of the only easily legible text (i hope this is readable, most of my screenshots kind of died a bit so maybe you need to look at an actual clip to see the text)

that is aside from the "DRUGS" poster which touches on another point s4 makes. the show doesn't just explore sexuality, it also puts the kids into more mature situations in general (not talking about the deaths, this is a horror show), specifically drugs

Jonathan uses weed as a coping mechanism the whole season and Eddie even sells the stuff in full bags (insane weed selling practices btw, even i know that). Chrissy (17-18) wants to do weed and ketamine. and we also see Lucas (14) hungover after drinking at a party for the first time

the show does not shy away from portraying realistic teen experiences

Murray called s4 very well, the kids pound some bears, smoke some ganja, play nintendo, and experiment sexually

literally. you have drinking, weed, and confusing queer sexualities. they took this list step by step

and all of those pretty normal things teens tend to explore. and i say that as someone who was decidedly not into those things. the ace experience is a bit different, but i can still acknowledge how that period was like for my allo friends and people in general

there is an extreme push in this fandom to reject any form of sexual jokes or references in the show, made mostly by people being uncomfortable with portrayals of sexuality. however, the themes not only still exist, they're also very prominent throughout all 4 seasons and are important to a lot of the characters directly

and it's also noteworthy here to see how ST approaches it's sexuality theme. it grows with the characters. starting out as jokes and being received with awkwardness to slowly letting them figure things out on their own time and turns. an extremely realistic progression and very common for coming of age narratives such as ST. it's a far cry from shows exploring sexuality or sexual themes for the sake of the viewers enjoyment like Euph0ria (don't want it to show up in tags)

based on what we currently know s5 could very well be taking place in 1988 or later which would place the party at around 16-17 years old. going into the season with the fanon version of the show that is completely clean and non sexual will 100% set you up for disaster

ST is very realistic and non exploitative with it's exploration of teen sexuality so there is obviously nothing to worry about in the sexualization department, that's just puritan fear mongering. however, it's very likely that we're going to get more than holding hands or pecks on the lips from the characters that are now older than characters we've explicitly seen hook up before. there could be more intimate scenes or making out, yes. but there's also at least one basically guaranteed vulgar joke in there, all seasons have them

there's no real theorizing or speculation about s5 here, anything could happen and i'm not placing bets, i want the characters narratives to be wrapped up well first and foremost and trust the writers to do it well. however, going into s5 with some of the mindsets i've seen circulating on here and expecting the show to be "clean" and cater to a version of it that's never existed outside of purified fandom could genuinely make you feel blindsided by the shows canon themes

not targeted at anyone or anything specifically, just using this as a bit of a reality check of what the show is actually like after recently rewatching all of it in one go

[love-kurdt]

How to Write a Good Fanfiction: A 5 Step Manual

Hello! My name is @love_kurdt, also known as Eva, and I’m a Wattpad Veteran of the early 2010s, where the genres of Slash Fics, Y/N, and Imagines ran rampant. I spent years of my life as a kid scrolling through my iPod touch, weeding through Wattpad’s plethora of profiles, on a quest to find quality fanfictions. I found a handful, which I added to a specific reading list to come back to when I needed a break from screaming into my pillow because of the sheer audacity of thought-criminals who called themselves writers.

When I’d reached the point of reading the same five works over and over in a never ending cycle, I decided to make the life-altering decision to start publishing my fanfictions online. Granted, I was only thirteen at this point, so my writing wasn’t spectacular by any means, but I came to discover that over time, the mere acts of reading and writing can light a spark of inspiration that can carry you to creative success.

I’ve been writing my own works for over ten years now, and can confidently say that I have cracked the code to writing a good fanfiction that will have your readers captivated instead of cringing. Please don’t get me wrong– if you want to just write fanfic on the internet for fun, and not to write a novel, that’s great, too! That’s what the internet is for; exercising your free will. But this manual is tailored towards those who want to hone in on their craft and gain a substantial following as strictly fanfiction authors. So without further ado, let’s jump into it. Godspeed!

Step 1: Choose Your Fandom

What show, movie, or book has drawn you in and left you feeling like there should be more to the story? When one of those media comes to mind, you’ve chosen your fandom!

Step 2: Do Your Research

When writing fanfiction, it’s kind of an unspoken rule that you need to know the canon of the fandom you’re writing about. The canon is also known as the source material. For example, if someone were to write a Draco Malfoy x OC fanfiction (*cough* a 200+ page Draco Malfoy self insert fic written at 11 years old in a series of notebooks bound together with multiple layers of Gorilla tape *cough*), the canon would be the Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling. It’s, in essence, what “really” happened. It’s totally fine if you want to write a non-canon compliant fic, too! In fact, they’re extremely popular, specifically within the “fix-it” genre, which usually involves characters that died in the canon but the author kept alive in their fanfiction. Either way, you should have a general idea of how the canon functions within the context of the fandom, so you can make creative choices that diverge from or stick to the canon.

With the canon comes the fanon, which is basically a compilation of fan theories and headcanons that are often common themes in both canon and non-canon compliant fanfics. A pretty niche example of this is the Byler fandom (the ship between Stranger Things characters Will Byers and Mike Wheeler), where there’s an official list of theories on Tumblr that are used in many, if not most Byler fanfictions. There’s FlickerGate, where the flickering of the garage light in Season 1 is actually Will and Mike in the Upside Down in Season 5. There’s BirthdayGate, where the antagonist, Vecna, manipulates the minds of everyone in Hawkins to forget Will’s birthday, which is a central plot point in a lot of Byler fics since no one seems to remember it, not even his best friend. There’s also LetterGate, where Will confronts Mike in the canon about not sending any letters after he’d moved away, but the theory reveals that Mike wrote plenty of letters– he just never sent them because they ended up turning into love letters, which in turn resulted in internalized homophobia. You get the picture. Most theories reach far into the land of delusion, but it doesn’t stop writers from creating incredible work that could easily be mistaken for a script.

But Eva, what if I just think the characters are hot and I don’t give a shit about the cannonball? I can’t tell you what to do, my friend, but I highly suggest you at least consider the canon so you can avoid all the petty, obnoxious gatekeepers in some fandoms who can be unhinged enough to send death threats if you leave out a significant canonical detail. But you do you!

Step 3: Choose Your Platform

There are three popular platforms to choose from: Archive of Our Own (ao3), Tumblr, and Wattpad. There are also a few other lesser known or dead pages such as fanfiction.net, but I honestly wouldn’t bother with those, since they’re more infiltrated with anons and bots nowadays.

This is where you want to think about 1) where most of the members in the fandom you chose reside, and 2) the demographic of readers you want to reach. For example, I observed a higher number of Nirvana fans on Wattpad than the other two platforms, which is why I chose to post my full length Kurt Cobain fanfiction, “You Know You’re Right,” on there. It also helped that my favorite author of another Kurt Cobain fanfiction on Wattpad, @/ugh-nirvana, had hits in the hundreds of thousands, so I was confident that my book would do well on that specific platform. On the other hand, the Stranger Things fandom is in full swing on Tumblr and ao3, so I chose to post those fanfictions on there rather than on Wattpad. It all just depends on who’s where.

You also have to consider how active you want to be on your platform(s). Tumblr is more of a blog situation, while ao3 and Wattpad are solely for publishing the work. If you want to have a life beyond the realms of the world wide web, choose Wattpad or ao3, as inconsistent updates are a bit more accepted than on Tumblr. But if you want to throw yourself headfirst into a fandom and put your whole author-ussy into your fanfic, then Tumblr is the platform for you.

You should be aware, however, that Tumblr involves a lot of upkeep, as well as constant, strategic, and active participation within your fandom. Visual aesthetic is vital to any functional Tumblr blog. Most profiles have directories, with color coded links to each work’s homepage, which is linked to each individual chapter, which are then distinguished by a unique GIF to capture a prospective reader’s attention while they’re scrolling through copious amounts of content. And there are always new ideas and theories in development in certain fandoms, so it’s crucial to keep up with recent updates in order to stay relevant.

After all is said and done, you don’t have to get married to one platform for the rest of your life. You can choose to be exclusive to one or two platforms, or publish everything on all of them! The decision is ultimately yours!

Step 4: Obey the Writer’s Trifecta of Consistency

Yes, I came up with this term, and yes, it should be a real thing. Because in every piece of writing, whether it be fanfiction, a short story, an actual book, a screenplay, what have you, it is critical to be consistent in your People, your POV, and your Plot. Let me explain.

People

Your people, or your ensemble of characters, consists of three hierarchical levels: your protagonist/antagonist, your side characters, and other background characters. I should emphasize the importance of building character profiles for everyone, including your pre-existing characters from the fandom, but specifically for your original character(s) if you have them. That way, you know who serves as a major plot device, who serves as someone who just helps time move faster, and those who are mentioned by name but have very little significance to the events of the story. I’m going to reference Harry Potter again, since most of the world is familiar with the characters. Harry and Voldemort are the protagonist and antagonist; Ron Weasley, Hermione Granger, Professor Dumbledore, Hagrid and company are side characters; and Peeves, Seamus Finnigan, and Blaise Zabini are background characters. Keep this hierarchy in check; don’t let your main characters fade away, and don’t let your background characters shift to the forefront for no reason. If you do plan to move a character up or down the ladder, make sure to have clear motive as to why you’re bringing this character into or out of play.

2. POV

Your POV is the point of view in which you’re writing from. Assuming you’ve been in a typical middle school English class, you’ve heard of the first, second, and third person points of view. I cannot tell you how many times I have read fanfictions that jump from one POV to another, sometimes within the same sentence. I open the door and see Kurt Cobain standing in the corner of the room. She walked across the floor to meet him there. See what I did there? I jumped from first person present tense to third person past tense. Do not attempt this at home.

The least common of the three points of view is the second person, or what I like to call the Y/N point of view. In fanfiction, second person POV is often used in self-insert fics, where instead of a character’s name, it’s replaced with “you.” That’s why a lot of romantic character x reader fics are so popular. You should feel free to use this one, especially if that’s the kind of vibe you’re going for, but I’m going to elaborate a little bit more on first and third person, as they’re a bit more “literary.”

The first person POV confines the narration to the mind of one character. It can also be done with multiple characters, but be sure to do it so it’s painstakingly obvious to the reader whose POV you’re writing from. Also note that if you plan to write multiple first person POVs, try to keep that number on the lower side, as a large number of POVs can get really complicated really quickly. Third person narration can be done from two angles: limited or omniscient. Limited is more similar to first person, in which you’re confined to one person’s viewpoint, but they aren’t the narrator; you’re just seeing the story through their eyes. Omniscient is my favorite, because you can narrate from a bird’s eye view with the freedom to travel from mind to mind and read their thoughts.

Building character profiles can be really helpful when developing both first or third person POV; if you connect with a particular character more strongly than the rest, that should tell you whose POV you should write in. If you choose to switch POVs, be sure to do it either on an alternating/rotating basis, or if you repeat, it should be apparent as to why that particular character is the “voice” of that scene.

3. Plot

Dare I say that Plot is the most important step of them all, so do not skip this one, whatever you do! The biggest mistake most fanfiction writers make is having a concept but lacking a plot. It’s like biting into an apple just to discover it’s a lemon. Many writers are capable of starting off strong, but once their initial story begins to meander, traveling into uncharted territory, their brainchild can become a monstrosity.

In order to write a solid plot, it’s pretty common knowledge that you need to have a beginning, middle, and end in place. It doesn’t need to be overly specific or down to the last detail, you just need to figure out how your characters make it from point A to point Z (the larger scale), and how points B through Y factor into the plot (the smaller scale). There are a few routes that you can take in order to do this: you can write the entire thing ahead of time without any input, you can write the entire thing with the feedback of a beta reader or proofreader to help you work out any kinks or mistakes before you publish it for the entire platform to see, or you can publish it gradually and take feedback from your readers as you go. Should you go with the last option, though, you should be made aware that if you aren’t already an established author, it may feel like you’re talking to a wall, and you will likely feel discouraged from writing the story altogether.

I find it helpful to outline the whole thing. I have a closet door in my house dedicated to a Dave Grohl true crime fanfiction I’m working on. I’ve written the entire story from beginning to end on index cards, split into four different parts with each card representing a chapter. What’s good about outlining is that I can edit my story as I go along. If I decide to change something, I can add or remove an index card, then replace or rearrange the other index cards to work around the change I made, and that way, I don’t have to start over from scratch. It’s helpful to see everything laid out in front of me, so I’m not left at the end of a completely improvised plot with a slew of loose ends that I’ll need to go back and edit. It’s also better than publishing each part individually then having to redo everything after your readers have already seen it. And I don’t know about you, but I enjoy it when I’m able to save some time, energy, and lengthy explanations to random people online. That is, unless you enjoy constant feedback from readers, in which case you can change the plot on a chapter by chapter basis based on their feedback.

Consistency in all of these respects is key. I cannot emphasize this enough. Keeping all of these elements in check will help you create a sort of cohesiveness that will neatly wrap the story up with a little bow on top. 

Step 5: Use Relevant Tags and Content Warnings

Repeat after me: tags matter! Again: tags matter! When you’re about to publish your fanfiction, you’re going to be given the option to add tags to your work. For my first few years spent on Wattpad, I had no idea what tags were, so I didn’t use them. Thankfully, the platform was still pretty small, so people still found my work pretty easily. Nowadays, though, it’s nearly impossible to find what you’re looking for without searching excessively specific tags and using a million filters. It’s unfortunate, but look at it this way: there are so many people contributing to so many fandoms that the content is seemingly endless!

What you’re going to want to do is add as many tags as you can but keep it as simple as possible. I know that sounds kind of oxymoronic, but I mean it in a way that all of your tags relate directly to your story, and not just to the fandom itself. A lot of readers feel misled when they’re scrolling through their filtered search page for, let’s just say, a Byler fanfic, and end up neck deep in a Mileven fanfic in disguise. That’s not a fun experience.

Lastly, please remember that you are publishing your work on the internet, and you don’t know who may encounter your work! Listen, we live in a world where everything needs to be overexplained, everything needs trigger warnings, and everything needs to be neutral or else someone is going to hate you. I get it. I’ve been writing fanfiction for a long time. It might be annoying to add content warnings, especially if one of those warnings spoils a major plotline, but if I’m being honest, I’d rather be safe and add the damn warning than not add the warning and be responsible for someone’s worsened emotional or mental state. Bottom line, it’s just fanfiction! Let’s do our due diligence to create a community full of love and understanding for everyone!

After that, you should be all set to publish! Let’s review one more time for the road:

Choose Your Fandom

Do Your Research

Choose Your Platform

Obey the Writer’s Trifecta of Consistency

Use Relevant Tags and Content Warnings

If you’ve stuck around for this long, thank you so much!

I hope this manual helps you along your fanfiction writing journey, wherever it takes you <3

[castlebyersafterdark]

i always remember finn saying that mike isnt the most complex character he's ever played. people don't talk about it much - he was referencing ziggy who he played in WYFSTW instead as the most complex, and maybe they think it's not good byler evidence, but i would argue its a nice way of saying that a guy going through comphet and being in love with his male bestie, masking and bearding with a girlfriend, isnt actually that uncommon an experience. ziggy character was bisexual (explicitly in the film) and also going through lots of psychological issues opposite his mother. the whole film was more subdued where ST is on the nose and brash in many ways.

idk, to me it just was like finn saying 'yeah, mike's gay, and it's no biggie'. obv its a big deal as rep for many people, but him being gay isnt the main plot twist of s5, you know? thats what i took from him saying that.

I agree with this one!! I think that's actually a positive for Byler, and Mike as well. And it's not to say that Mike isn't truly complex or compelling when you break him down into subtleties for those interested in engaging deep beyond what is directly happening on screen - however, Mike is very much also designed to be our relatable everyman. Which is fantastic, being that character and now his character arc has led him here. Great story telling for the average watcher. I know a lot of general fans "hate" Mike currently and I've seen a bunch of articles saying he need to be made more sympathetic. Well!! Here we are. If you actually want to engage with the themes of the show, eyes will be opened. It's a common experience but not one common in mainstream media. And it's actually not the main plot twist. I have to say it, I love saying it - the love story between two boys in the 1980s isn't the biggest twist, not presented as totally unbelievable. There are stranger thi- 😵🔫🔫🔫

[starbylers]

Speculation about potential spoilers—related to the leak we just got but some extra info you might care to hear

Okay about that leaker’s reliability: yes. I’ve also seen multiple people on Twitter claim that they’ve been wrong about stuff in the past & then tried to cover it up allegedly, so like…it is possible they have something that's just plain wrong. It's also possible they just guessed at it, because it’s a pretty obvious observation someone could make and then later claim they were right when it inevitably happens. Or it’s possible they do have something real but it’s missing a lot of context (cause I don’t believe for a second Will has an endgame new character love interest lol). In which case yeah I agree about the possibility of a side character.

So I’ve always sort of theorised that that could be one of the ways they hint at Mike’s feelings before the reveal. Given they just rebuilt their friendship and promised to be a team and all the visual foreshadowing to emphasise that point, it makes a sense Mike would be unhappy at the prospect of what he sees as Will replacing his spot as "best friend" even if he doesn’t understand why it bothers him so much until he realises his feelings later on.

If it was to be a more substantial plot point it could begin before the season does to avoid taking time from the main story. One of my theories has been that the boys drift somewhat over the skip because of everything they’re individually going though (Dustin with Eddie, Lucas with Max, Will with Vecna but also his sexuality issues, Mike with stressing about El who’s stressing about Max and Henry, and his relationship simultaneously coming apart at the seams), and that scene we saw with all their hands is a friendship reunification of sorts. It's possible Will could’ve been hanging around new people and met someone who's like him. Doesn’t even have to be a result of drifting, could just be someone Will crosses paths with now he’s back in Hawkins permanently. Possibly it could be something that we see in timeskip flashbacks, that's done/is about to be done by the time we get to present day because, well, many possible reasons (he's still dealing with internalised homophobia; it was just a minor crush or flirt/someone who liked him more than he liked them; he's obviously still head over heels in love with Mike—matches with Alex’s leaks you mentioned). Maybe Mike complains or starts an argument about this person later on when him & Will are inevitably working together because of the supernatural and that's when it’s hinted that he's jealous.

But it could also just mean a brief flirtation with someone like idk a classmate or someone in town, a one time or even few time recurring character, who clocks Will as gay and that Mike happens to witness and acts weird about. A very minor plot point (maybe even played slightly comically), main purpose to again give clues about Mike.

These are all just thoughts but to make a point that a "love interest" rumour can be interpreted in many ways. Generally I do think it could be positive for his development to not spend however long the jump is just being miserable over Mike and instead maybe getting some life experience. It could very well be a way for them to progress his self-acceptance arc, which we know is a major part of his story and the show's conformity themes. Although I think in any scenario it would be wrapped up by the first episode, after which his & Mike's relationship grows. The Mileven break up could hypothetically coincide with this. It also works with the leak you mentioned from the hopsital person from ep 2 about their ‘relationship developing’. I think there are lots of ways a "love interest" could be a thing without it being a hinderance to Byler's development.

Also: they’re nearly halfway through filming and we’ve heard nothing about what would be a pretty significant character if it was to be his genuine endgame love interest. There’s been no sightings or reports of someone unknown filming with the main cast. They’ve said no new characters and I know there’s been Linda & that kid but I think it’s more plausible they meant no new ensemble cast members like Robin, Eddie & Argyle. They were always going to need new characters for plot purposes, I don’t think anyone disputed that idea.

It honestly makes more sense to me that there would be an epilogue extra as a love interest rather than a fully fleshed out character who Will has relationship development with and ends up with, but I don’t for a second believe that is true either just because of the numerous analyses I've made of this whole story.

Also about Noah: he’s said a lot of stuff at different points in time but literally a month or so ago he liked that TikTok calling them boyfriends, and of course back in Jan he did the whole ‘Byler kiss….we’ll see 😉😉’ thing on his live like you kinda mentioned. I really don’t think he has a reason to string Bylers along. It’s not like he’s Netflix trying to market, and also he’s notorious for just being excitable and not being able to keep his mouth shut which tracks with the liking a romantic Byler s5 TikTok and also liking multiple TikToks asking if it was Will screaming in the leaked video. I swear he also spoiled Hopper being alive in s3? He loves spilling and I mean he’s the one playing the character, I’m slightly more inclined to put stock in the words/actions of one of the only people on the planet who 100% knows the whole truth as opposed to "leakers" especially this early on, who get monetary gain from stirring chaos and don't cite their sources. Also like you said he's capable of toning it down when he's unsure, like he said in the past Mike likes El and that he doesn't write the show etc, but since filming he's only encouraged the idea.

Anyway thanks for sharing! I def don't believe there is any true love interest i.e. someone he will end up with, outside of Mike of course (I don’t really believe the leak is legit at all tbh, I just like covering all the possibilities). I may be biased but I'm just that confident in Byler haha

Warning! Potential spoilers for Stranger Things Season 5!

This account has tweeted a ‘scoop’ stating that Will Byers will have a love interest in season five. I’ve seen varying reports on this acc’s reliability - otoh it has apparently revealed Marvel spoilers, but on the other it’s been called out for making up things, so it’s hard to say.

It has tweeted this in the past:

That RejectedScooper person is being incredibly unreliable. First they insinuate it is Mike:

the they deny it:

then they like a byler tweet:

However, while RejectedScooper is absolutely not reliable, MyTimeToShineH is more debatable. One stranger things stan acc on twitter, an acc which closely follows filming, dm’d then and was told only that it’s a ‘new’ character, with no elaboration.

I’m sharing all of this to paint the fullest possible picture, as I know many of the accs here aren’t on twitter. It’s worth noting that they’re on filming for episode 4-5 now, and no leaks of any plausible Will LIs have emerged… but the casting for the Turnbow parents didn’t get out either, only that of the kid who has a crush on Erica.

It could be a side character whose role is to make Mike jealous. Noah was very uncertain about byler when asked back when he had only the first few episode scripts - ‘don’t be sad if it doesn’t happen’, etc. Right before filming in January, however, he went on tiktok live and read out ‘byler endgame’ and ‘byler kiss’ comments - this is after he got up to episode 7. The video of this is in my Noah Schnapp tag. Could just be a ploy to keep bylers strung along, however, and I am remaining pessimistic.

I will be sure to update the byler tag again if we get more details on this!

ETA: One last note: if you check my other posts, you’ll see that the messages Alex gets are all straightforward about Will not being over Mike in the first few eps. There’s a leak floating around stating that he’s very upset when Mike is injured and that he arrives at the hospital in an awful state.

I have also personally seen, from a reliable source present during ep 2 hospital filming, statements that they’ve heard Will’s relationship with Mike is ‘developing’, that he’s more of a leader this season, and that Mike is having a self-discovery arc and is being more like the protector he was….

[tsugarubecker]

So, I’ve mentioned that I think ST is about refuting “boy meets girl and romance ensues”, but I think it goes deeper than that. Or, put another way, they’re not just casually making that statement: I think that’s their giant, neon-lights thesis statement of the show.  I think that the show is 1 part sci-fi, 1 part social critique. I think that Karen, Nancy, Mike, and others are being used to show what it looks like when people simply follow along with society’s ideas of what we should do, who we should like, etc. Heteronormativity, in other words. Because heteronormativity includes being straight, cis, being romantically interested in the “opposite sex”  because they do basic tropes like look pretty or have a good job, getting married, having several kids, getting a house with a picket fence, etc. All of that is the overarching societal message of heteronormativity. And Karen, Nancy, and Mike are all in danger of listening to those societal messages - instead of listening to their own hearts. Sometimes, they are actively repressing and shouting down the voices in their hearts, which have different opinions than the “normal,” socially accepted ones. (In Karen’s case, it’s less that she’s in danger, more she already signed herself up for a life she didn’t truly want. And now maybe she will find her way out. I’m not the only person gently suggesting she get a divorce...) I mean, think about just how many couples there are in this sci-fi show. Almost seems a little excessive, doesn’t it? If the show was all about the sci-fi? But it’s not all about the plot. It’s a show that is also doing a bunch of character studies. And it has an overall theme to those character studies. Taken from a larger lens, it’s a study of romance/romantic relationships and how those happen in the context of our society. Therefore by necessity the show is critiquing heteronormativity.* I think the reason S3 was all brighty brighty and fakey fakey, and why it focused on the couples and on how-to-be-straight (thanks Lucas), and why it was called “the season of love,” is because S3 was set up to show how “let’s just follow the social norms” doesn’t work very well actually.  ( @kaypeace21 has written about that specific topic before, and other related ideas. If you look for this section of her pinned post, you’ll find some of her thoughts, although she has many more: s3 meta: about  lack of communication, the critique of commercialism, and the misinterpretation of s3′s plot/characters appearing ‘shallow’ ) Another related phrase for “the social norms” or “the social script” or heteronormativity is “the relationship escalator.” See this link. Polyamorous folks (which I am, sort of) talk about this concept a lot, because polyamorous relationships often do not follow the relationship escalator. The relationship escalator is one of the messages put upon all of us - it’s something we are supposed to pursue and we aren’t really supposed to question that - so, as such, it’s a part of heteronormativity.  I believe that this show is, again: 1 part sci-fi romp, 1 part critique of heteronormativity. And I think that it is deeply difficult for audiences to see that this show is one giant critique, because only people who have critiqued these structures themselves before could possibly notice it. To anyone who has never been bothered by these structures, from what they can see, the couples in this show are just doing normal stuff. How can the majority of the audience know what’s coming (subverting a lot of things having to do with heteronormativity - including the fruition of Byler) if they have never noticed the social structures happening around them? How can they see a critique of those structures if they aren’t aware the structures exist? (Now it’s like The Matrix... anyone know if The Matrix was cited as a film reference?) This show, if you ask me, in the end is going to make a whole generation (or, uh - several generations I suppose, since lots of age groups watch this show) realize that they have a choice. A choice to either go along with heteronormative social structures, or a choice to question just-falling-into-it with people and blindly riding the relationship escalator. They have a choice - they can step back and reflect and listen to their hearts and figure out what they really want out of a relationship. And then advocate for their wants, express them to others. They can really be intentional with their choice of partner, with what kind of a relationship they truly want to have. I’m not sure why this social critique is important to The Duffers, but it seems like it is, and I think they’re really trying to put this message our there to the masses. And I’m glad that that feels important to them. I think it would be a beautiful thing if more people reflect on the dangers and harms of heteronormativity, because if we have a world with less of those oppressive assumptions and structures, more people can be “queer” in the sense of creating their own path instead of just following one that’s set out for them. And I do feel like that will bring more acceptance of others’ choices for their own relationships, whatever those choices might look like (gay, straight, queer, poly, mono, kids, no kids, community-raising kids, etc etc etc).  *sidenote there’s a bunch in this show talking about parenting as well, and subverting tropes on that. And family love... in an even larger sense I think this show is about the nature of love/the many forms love can take. (KP21 has written good stuff on these topics, as well, so check out her posts for further reading)

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How do you think Stranger Things will end? How do you want it to end?

OH GOSH. What a question!! It’s a cop out to say that I want everyone to be happy and for their character arcs to come to a satisfying conclusion... but it’s also true. Mainly, I’d like:

Mike and Will to recognise their feelings for each other and subvert the expectations of genre and GET TOGETHER.

Eleven to find inner peace and forgive/reconcile her past with Papa in a way that makes sense to her (which is a plot arc already built up since she met Kali in S2, so it needs to be resolved, basically).

Karen to divorce Ted. Kidding! Or am I... No, really what I’d love is for Karen to become involved alongside Joyce and Hopper. I’ve spoken before about how a running theme in ST is maternal love. It makes sense for Karen to get involved as there’s always been an emphasis on the Wheeler/Byler families, and so far Mike has kept everything (more or less) from his family... so it could be interesting to bring Karen in and parallel this action with Mike opening up to his mum.

For Joyce to find happiness. All she wants is to smoke a cigarette in peace, lol. Whether that’s with Hopper is neither here nor there (although they will be endgame... like, anyone who thinks they won’t clearly doesn’t understand that their love story is a lynchpin of the series). I just really, really want her to feel SAFE. She hasn’t felt safe for so long.

In S1 they clearly showed the Party coming full circle and growing collectively and as individuals. I want that to happen on a bigger scale. They’re all going to grow up -- but they shouldn’t grow apart. Stephen King’s IT is often cited by the Duffers as a central inspiration for ST. One of the major tenets of that book is a group of children growing up but never away from each other, because they have been bound by a deeply unusual experience. That has to happen to the Party. It already has, but... I want more bonding, really.

In terms of general ending... this is so big. I’ve seen so many theories and read so many analyses. I think, for me personally, what I want most of all is closure. I like the idea of ST being a book that Mike writes. I think that gives it a little Hobbit wink that would be really sweet and smart. Actually, I almost definitely want that to be the case. I don’t even especially care if the fates of the Party are established (like some dorky kind of *here’s Dustin building a rocket* *this is Lucas as a quantum physicist* *here’s Mike and Will watering their plants and living a very wholesome gay life in New York*) -- I just want the story to come full circle and feel fulfilling. We can make up what happens next ;)

This is such a good question and this is just ramble! Thank you so much for asking me. I absolutely love thinking about this. Thank you.