#not for one moment am I blaming vivziepop for the shows limited time

[ohbother2]

do you know what?

I miss long seasons.

I miss seasons that had 20 episodes and half of them could be cut and nothing would be lost to the story.

I miss the episodes where nothing fucking happens but you get to see the main cast goofing around with one another. You get to see their interactions, their relationships develop, their day-to-day lives and how they all fit together in them.

You get the Christmas/halloween/valentine's special -is it needed? certainly not. but is it good? is it entertaining? does it give the show and characters life? do we, the viewers, enjoy it? YES!

give me long stories!! give me little quarrelling spats between characters that can be resolved in one episode with no need to have an impact on the greater story! make these stories real!

let me enjoy them before they end!!!

I absolutely love Hazbin Hotel and the little world that's been created, but I can't help but feel disappointed we're only getting two seasons of 8 episodes.

back in the early 2000's 16 episodes would have been ONE season, never mind the entire thing.

show my angel dust and husk and nifty and sir penthouse living their daily lives in the hotel! show me Charlie brainstorming ways to redeem sinners! give me Charlie forcing the hotel staff to do cringe-y exercises! give me an entire episode of Vox trying to follow alastor through security cameras! Give me husks typical day! Give me a special through the eyes of nifty on a mission to irradiate the hotel of bugs! Give me sir penthouse and the egg boys up to no good!

give me something other than the bare necessities to make the story flow

6 months have nearly gone by in the hotel, and it feels like 1 month.

[idolomantises]

-People keep blaming Amazon and A24 for the poor pacing, but I've seen several shows with 8 episodes in one season (or less) and manage to pace their show fine. Helluva Boss also has terrible pacing issues. the issue isn't Amazon, the issue is that Vivziepop saw that she had a limited run and instead of compromising, she crammed in as many ocs and story elements as she could, rushing the plot and creating unsatisfying conclusions for moments that should have more chemistry

-And yes I mean more chemistry. I mean an actual girl on girl that isn't giving light cheek kisses and holding hands. Viv writes her queer men and male/female couples having sex and grinding on each other, but her only female/female couple is so bland that people sincerely had no idea they were lovers. They barely touch each other, they barely discuss the things they like about each other, half of their scenes is just Vaggie (incredible name for a lesbian btw) being exasperated by Charlie's antics, it's not charming. Vox and Val are also a nothing couple, but they're more physically intimate than anything we've seen from Chaggie. I've seen countless shows handle female/female couples well, adult cartoons have managed this for years. Viv failing to give her queer women anything to work with is disappointing. she clearly has a lack of interest in relationships if they don't involve men.

-Yes, people HAVE told me that I should accept Vivziepop's terrible queer representation. when I expressed grievance for Helluva Boss lacking with its queer women (in terms of visible representation and how they're written) fans harassed me for two days, called me a bigot(??), pulled up random background characters to debunk my point and claimed that Hazbin Hotel would be more female focused therefore have good queer female rep. But it didn't, it's ass. I expected it to be bad because I knew the only reason they became a couple was simple because someone asked Viv to make them girlfriends (who originally planned to make them unrequited), and it SHOWS in the writing. As a lesbian I'm allowed to be disappointed by the poor representation.

-Yes, I don't like Viv, I sincerely think she's a terrible person who is mistreating several of her animators and hurt a lot of good people. Fans can keep insisting that she's some poor victim unfairly criticized by the masses but I know for a fact that she is in fact a very paranoid, vindictive and mean person who's straight up ruined lives. She's an anti feminist, her work is incredibly racist at times and her refusal to condemn a storyboarder for sexually harassing a 15 year makes her unnacceptable in my eyes. Even without her incredibly horrid behavior that seems to come to light monthly, the way she conducts herself online is pathetic. She's bad with criticism, she mocks and rudely subtweets critics, she lies constantly to deflect criticism and she's so threatened by other artists that she thinks basic redesigns constitute has "harassment" and has blocked some artists over it.

-HOWEVER, I am opposed to dismissing someone's work simply because I don't like them. The only reason I watched this show was because when I critiqued the pilot, fans rushed to tell me that I should wait until the show is officially out, and then express my thoughts. I dont agree with people who give the show grievance without even bothering to watch it (like the claims that Hazbin "romanticizes" Valentino, I hate how the show handles him, but its absolutely not romanticization). I still regard Helluva Boss season 1 as flawed but pretty fun and enjoyable, I enjoyed some of her characters and I do think Hazbin structurally flows better than HB, which felt messy and unfocused in its second season. Sorry I didn't write a 4 hour video titled "Hazbin Hotel is garbage and here's why" to express my thoughts on my own tumblr account which is just me writing my personal thoughts and not feeling obligated to make a professional thesis statement about a show that says rape is bad and then follows up with a character being dragged into a crowded room to be non-consensually gangbanged

-Criticism is normal and natural, and it's not healthy to perceive all media criticism as inherently malicious simply because the woman who threw a fit over "My name is Caine and I am your bitch" is so threatened by it

whelp i finished Hazbin season 1. Don't plan on watching more of it, just wanted to see if my theories about it were correct (they were). It's not very good, and feels like an adult cartoon made for children. Its pacing is poor, the characters range from decent to terrible, the dialogue is bad, there's too many plot inconsistencies and the approach to Christianity feels incredibly juvenile and poorly thought out. Just watch Moral Orel.

I cant believe people sent me death threats over this show.

Nifty is best girl.

[sarcastic-yami]

God yes I need long shows back regulating it to only eight episodes cuts out so much story telling. Like I want to actually get to know these characters. I want to know what goofy redemption activities Charlie tried. I want to see Angel and Husk’s relationship grow rather than the short snippets we get. I want more of the Vs (not Valentino though he can die a horrible second death and I will laugh with glee). There is so much that happens off screen that we don’t get to see and it sucks.

do you know what?

I miss long seasons.

I miss seasons that had 20 episodes and half of them could be cut and nothing would be lost to the story.

I miss the episodes where nothing fucking happens but you get to see the main cast goofing around with one another. You get to see their interactions, their relationships develop, their day-to-day lives and how they all fit together in them.

You get the Christmas/halloween/valentine's special -is it needed? certainly not. but is it good? is it entertaining? does it give the show and characters life? do we, the viewers, enjoy it? YES!

give me long stories!! give me little quarrelling spats between characters that can be resolved in one episode with no need to have an impact on the greater story! make these stories real!

let me enjoy them before they end!!!

I absolutely love Hazbin Hotel and the little world that's been created, but I can't help but feel disappointed we're only getting two seasons of 8 episodes.

back in the early 2000's 16 episodes would have been ONE season, never mind the entire thing.

show my angel dust and husk and nifty and sir penthouse living their daily lives in the hotel! show me Charlie brainstorming ways to redeem sinners! give me Charlie forcing the hotel staff to do cringe-y exercises! give me an entire episode of Vox trying to follow alastor through security cameras! Give me husks typical day! Give me a special through the eyes of nifty on a mission to irradiate the hotel of bugs! Give me sir penthouse and the egg boys up to no good!

give me something other than the bare necessities to make the story flow

6 months have nearly gone by in the hotel, and it feels like 1 month.

[natachastar]

I feel the exact same way. 😏😮‍💨

Sometimes It makes me sad, the way tv run now.

do you know what?

I miss long seasons.

I miss seasons that had 20 episodes and half of them could be cut and nothing would be lost to the story.

I miss the episodes where nothing fucking happens but you get to see the main cast goofing around with one another. You get to see their interactions, their relationships develop, their day-to-day lives and how they all fit together in them.

You get the Christmas/halloween/valentine's special -is it needed? certainly not. but is it good? is it entertaining? does it give the show and characters life? do we, the viewers, enjoy it? YES!

give me long stories!! give me little quarrelling spats between characters that can be resolved in one episode with no need to have an impact on the greater story! make these stories real!

let me enjoy them before they end!!!

I absolutely love Hazbin Hotel and the little world that's been created, but I can't help but feel disappointed we're only getting two seasons of 8 episodes.

back in the early 2000's 16 episodes would have been ONE season, never mind the entire thing.

show my angel dust and husk and nifty and sir penthouse living their daily lives in the hotel! show me Charlie brainstorming ways to redeem sinners! give me Charlie forcing the hotel staff to do cringe-y exercises! give me an entire episode of Vox trying to follow alastor through security cameras! Give me husks typical day! Give me a special through the eyes of nifty on a mission to irradiate the hotel of bugs! Give me sir penthouse and the egg boys up to no good!

give me something other than the bare necessities to make the story flow

6 months have nearly gone by in the hotel, and it feels like 1 month.

[hyde-the-toad-bard]

It's a shame because despite how much I'm enjoying it, it's impossible not to notice how much this season hurts from having only 8 episodes. This show clearly has so much more story to tell for this arc than that.

do you know what?

I miss long seasons.

I miss seasons that had 20 episodes and half of them could be cut and nothing would be lost to the story.

I miss the episodes where nothing fucking happens but you get to see the main cast goofing around with one another. You get to see their interactions, their relationships develop, their day-to-day lives and how they all fit together in them.

You get the Christmas/halloween/valentine's special -is it needed? certainly not. but is it good? is it entertaining? does it give the show and characters life? do we, the viewers, enjoy it? YES!

give me long stories!! give me little quarrelling spats between characters that can be resolved in one episode with no need to have an impact on the greater story! make these stories real!

let me enjoy them before they end!!!

I absolutely love Hazbin Hotel and the little world that's been created, but I can't help but feel disappointed we're only getting two seasons of 8 episodes.

back in the early 2000's 16 episodes would have been ONE season, never mind the entire thing.

show my angel dust and husk and nifty and sir penthouse living their daily lives in the hotel! show me Charlie brainstorming ways to redeem sinners! give me Charlie forcing the hotel staff to do cringe-y exercises! give me an entire episode of Vox trying to follow alastor through security cameras! Give me husks typical day! Give me a special through the eyes of nifty on a mission to irradiate the hotel of bugs! Give me sir penthouse and the egg boys up to no good!

give me something other than the bare necessities to make the story flow

6 months have nearly gone by in the hotel, and it feels like 1 month.

[thechainlink]

I was actually shocked when it was revealed that somehow five months had passed over the span of as many episodes. Like, the compressed extermination deadline works as a plot device to get things moving and provide a greater sense of urgency for the hotel gang to get their shit together, but it's just constantly at odds with the actual series runtime and is incredibly weird from an in-universe standpoint because it simultaneously feels like things are moving way too quickly while at the same time like we're just getting started.

Compare that to something like Avatar: The Last Airbender where like 60 episodes all took place within a year I think? And obviously not all of those episodes are essential plot-wise - take "Tales of Ba Sing Se" or "Ember Island Players" for instance - but they still feel important for developing the characters and world and helping things unfold at a more natural pace.

Obviously this isn't the Hazbin team's fault - sometimes you just have to take what opportunities you can get in that industry, and I've still enjoyed what we've seen so far - but it's clearly a problem with television as a whole at this point and especially animation, with recent examples like Craig of the Creek and Hilda's final seasons getting cut in half, and The Owl House having to compress a season's worth of material into three 40-minute specials.

It's just that for a series like Hazbin Hotel where stuff like character development seems pretty damn important, as you would expect for a series focusing on redemption, longer seasons would be a lot more beneficial story-wise instead of having to cram everything together like this. Hell, I might even settle for 12-13 episode seasons like Legend of Vox Machina got.

do you know what?

I miss long seasons.

I miss seasons that had 20 episodes and half of them could be cut and nothing would be lost to the story.

I miss the episodes where nothing fucking happens but you get to see the main cast goofing around with one another. You get to see their interactions, their relationships develop, their day-to-day lives and how they all fit together in them.

You get the Christmas/halloween/valentine's special -is it needed? certainly not. but is it good? is it entertaining? does it give the show and characters life? do we, the viewers, enjoy it? YES!

give me long stories!! give me little quarrelling spats between characters that can be resolved in one episode with no need to have an impact on the greater story! make these stories real!

let me enjoy them before they end!!!

I absolutely love Hazbin Hotel and the little world that's been created, but I can't help but feel disappointed we're only getting two seasons of 8 episodes.

back in the early 2000's 16 episodes would have been ONE season, never mind the entire thing.

show my angel dust and husk and nifty and sir penthouse living their daily lives in the hotel! show me Charlie brainstorming ways to redeem sinners! give me Charlie forcing the hotel staff to do cringe-y exercises! give me an entire episode of Vox trying to follow alastor through security cameras! Give me husks typical day! Give me a special through the eyes of nifty on a mission to irradiate the hotel of bugs! Give me sir penthouse and the egg boys up to no good!

give me something other than the bare necessities to make the story flow

6 months have nearly gone by in the hotel, and it feels like 1 month.