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#not another fucking Like a Rolling Stone chorus quote
autonoes · 1 year
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ugh havent really processed the fact that timothy chalamet is playing bob in that new biopic… i dont trust that boy.. whats the point of making a bob biopic anyway when I’m Not There exists like that’s the only good biopic ever made. what’s the point of anyone playing bob ever again after cate blanchett did it
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I did a long thread on twitter analyzing/interpreting You’re My Waterloo for the fun of it, but it was mostly for the amusement/interest of myself and like one other friend on there that likes The Libertines. So I figured I’d transcribe it over here where people might get more out of it? Since it was a twitter thread, the sentences might be a bit weird and stilted, by the way. So:
I'm glad they waited to record Waterloo until 2015. I feel like any other time would have been wrong. I know Peter was playing the slow version back in at least 2007 but I think it would have been sad in a different way if they had recorded it before 2015. Like, in 2015 it's just a straight up love song that's slightly sad because, well, it's Peter. If they had recorded it before I feel like it'd have been a love song with resentment wound through it.  There's just a lot of emotion in that song and if there's one thing Peter is really really good at doing, it's Emoting Intensely. But it's not just Peter, the piano is so beautiful and the strings are beautiful and Carl's guitar solo is Intense. It's all A Lot. Like, of all the songs that Peter has written about Carl, about their relationship and career and experiences together, THIS is the one where you can feel most strongly the near-obsessive type adoration. So I’m glad they waited to record it properly when they were friends again (also I’m mildly surprised that it was Carl’s suggestion to rerecord it). Anyway.
Fuck the first verse of this song is a lot. This whole song is a lot. I mean it starts off with such a sad sentiment, it's almost a warning? "You'll never fumigate the demons / No matter how much you smoke." You can't smoke away sadness no matter how much you want to. Bitterly ironic, considering the sorts of things Peter ended up smoking etc to chase away demons, the types of extremes they both went to above and beyond just trying to fumigate. But anyway. "Just say you love me for three good reasons / And I'll throw you the rope." It's just so fucking codependent. So intensely obsessive and codependent. There was a quote, I think maybe from Roger Sargent?, about Peter crying outside a venue in like 2002 because even then he was scared about losing his friendship with Carl to the Something Bigger of fame. This feels like a desperate bid to hang on to that love. But also like Peter is so intense. Every video of interviews where he's sitting next to Carl or gigs when they're friends or reunions or whatever, he just wants to be in Carl's space and have Carl's gaze and his attention and stuff. Like a cat that sits on your work.
Again, a digression. Oops. I said I was in a mood. It's so interesting that while it's definitely a love song To Carl, the only direct mention of Love is asking for love From Carl. It's like he's working on the assumption that his feelings are obvious (they are) and desperately wants reassurance or reciprocation.
"You don't need it / Because you are the survivor / Of more than one life" We know the origin of this is apparently Carl's dead twin brother. But also the offering of a rope only to reassure that no, you don't need it is just so...I don't know...sweet? Especially because while "throw you the rope" is obviously a symbol of rescue it could just as easily be a noose. Except that it's neither. Because he doesn't need it. Because he can survive fucking anything, because they love each other--he hopes. It’s like, if you love me as much as I love you, I’ll try to help you, even though I know you don’t need me because you just need to realize you can do it on your own. "And you're the only lover I had / Who ever slept with a knife" The interview where they talk about this line is so funny. "No it's not about us. But Carl did sleep with a knife and the line about being a survivor is about Carl having a dead twin and Peter saying he was the twin reincarnated. But it’s totally not about us." Anyway. Ugh just so much of this song seems to be about Peter being Super Obvious and open about his love for Carl and Carl being more closed off. Carl being the only lover who slept with a knife; he'll accept the love but he's wary of it and wary giving it.
(By the way by love I don't necessarily mean Romantic or Sexual love. They clearly adore each other one way or another, that's obvious enough. But Best Friendship love is 100% a thing.) (However, the Judy Garland line is so funny to me because "Friend of Dorothy" was a secret code for gay men for a while. And considering the amount of queer literature etc Peter references in everything, there's no way he didn't know this.)
I can't really go in depth into the Tony Hancock line since I really don't know much about Hancock and I know that it was a real touchstone for Peter and Carl. But it plus the Judy Garland line feels like a "neither of us have ever really had a home, but we found one in each other" thing. Which is. A lot. Especially with the "until the dawn" bit, because a main component of so many stories about them from other people is the two of them staying up for days together writing and adventuring and just doing stuff and no one else being able to get in their little bubble.
I love the "ahh" after "Stone the crows" and the way the music starts to swell. It's obvious that the next verse is the Important One. And it is. There's the story about Peter crashing an event at the Old Vic while Carl was ushering to tell him they should be writing together and everyone who's there are dicks. But it's also like...so many layers of what is success and what is appreciation and how do you express love. I assume the flowers are not from his show, that he's collected them from the stage after someone else's show. But it's reusing tokens of mostly empty/superficial/performative appreciation--the tradition of tossing flowers on the stage--as a token of genuine love. Sitting through an entire performance, watching someone else's success and dreaming of being there and then using the token of appreciation for that person to instead give it to the person you yourself appreciate and love and want to succeed with. It's like a promise, a "we'll get there." But also another act of desperation because he's been sitting there for hours. Carl wasn't there to receive the gift and wasn't there to write with him. But he's been chasing words around on the page--the love-words to this song or the words to another one?--and he needs Carl there to really complete it, needs Carl there to hear it. It's very much in line with Peter yelling that they should be writing. This intense "Please be with me please accept the way I express myself please complete my incomplete bits please like me as much as I like you" etc.
And then the chorus which is so interesting. I desperately wish I understood the Gypsy Lane and Stanley Park references. I think Stanley Park is a footie reference but I’m not sure? I'm trying to do all of the interpretation off my own brain and not use the notes on the Genius website or anywhere else but I wanted to see if those two references here had been crowdsourced. Apparently both Gypsy Lane and Stanley Park are places he spent time in his childhood (and I called it on the football reference, yes!). Which is. Wow. Okay. And then there's Waterloo which is a whole thing in itself. It's Waterloo as Waterloo but also Waterloo Station. So Carl is able to be Peter's Ultimate Defeat, the thing that has the ability to ruin him. But also Waterloo Station is near the Old Vic where Carl worked & would go to theatre bars, so it's also a place of familiarity. Since I don't know anything else about the Gypsy Lane reference, I can only assume it's also a place of comfort and familiarity. So Peter's admitting to Carl's power over him, ability to hurt him, but offering to comfort him in return. (Important for later.)
"I'm so glad we know just what to do / And exactly who's to blame" I love this line because it knows it's wrong. Especially in 2015 but maybe even in the early days. They bounced blame back and forth between them for YEARS. Not to mention all the outside bullshit. And obviously they didn't know what to do. The Waterloo/Stanley Park is another reference to a familiar place and a power to hurt/offer to comfort moment. I wish I knew if there was some sort of proper football reference here (aka a QPR reference since that's Peter's team) but I know absolutely nothing about sport so idk.
"Well I'm so glad we know just what to do / And no one's left / Stumbling around / Tumbling around / Fumbling around / In the dark" The way Peter sings this sounds so hopeful and sad at the same time. It's interesting to know this line was written way, way back. Like, this song was apparently one of the first ever songs they demoed. The demo is a lot more frantic and less romantic but jesus christ. The way Peter sings it now it's like he knows that was just an unconscious self-fulfilling prophecy. Like, no, they absolutely were left in the dark, hurting each other over and over and not being able/willing to place blame or to communicate. Except now, in 2015, they're not anymore. (and especially not now in 2021). But it's also another desire for comfort. Like, Peter's offering the comfort here. But he's also just confessed the power to hurt that Carl has. So this is also a "are you going to offer me comfort the way I've offered it to you?" sort of question. 
And then there's the solo which. Woof. It feels like a response to Peter's words. Like reaching out with sound. Like a shoulder-squeeze or a hug in response, something nonverbal that’s really trying to catch up and match up to the intense emotions in the words. The music crescendos and the solo is literally waves of notes that roll up and down and up and then it crashes down but lands so softly at the feet of the chorus.
And then we have equal footing, sort of (and Carl as Jesus again). Carl is still Peter's Waterloo, his ultimate defeat (or his place of comfort). But now Peter is Carl's Calvary. Which is the place where Jesus was crucified. Peter’s been offering comfort to Carl, but suddenly Peter has power over Carl. It's like...veneration and threat at once. Carl's Jesus, the savior, but also if he doesn't love Peter, Peter has the power to crucify him (or at least threatens to have that power). Or it's another portent: Carl could be Peter's savior, except that everything falls apart and Carl ends up hurt instead. They both end up hurt instead. So then they're on equal footing.
Which brings them to the "Well I'm so glad we know just what to do," which feels a little sadder but also a little more confident than the other two. The answer is in the "Everyone's gonna be happy / But of course." They need to work to figure out how to make each other happy, how to be comfort rather than hurt. It's not that simple. It never is. The "But of course" is a sarcy acknowledgement of how difficult that actually is. But it's also that sort of quiet hopefulness that yeah, maybe soon we'll figure it out and everyone will be happy and will get to say "of course I'm happy" about it.
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Comments On the Pyromania Track-By-Track Videos From The Vault
If you don’t want spoilers- DON’T READ ANY FURTHER!
is it just me for does Phil's beard keep getting better and better
viv's black hoodie uwu
SAVVVV DD; "I remember walking out of the studio after trying to record the bass line for Photograph and thinking '...I don't know if I can actually do this anymore...'"
Joe putting his hands on his hips actually made me fuckin squeal what is wrong with me
Rick making guitar noises with his voice makes me so fucking happy
Phil making guitar noises with his voice makes me so fucking happy
every time Joe shook his hair out of his face 👁👄👁
every time Joe put his hands on his hips 👁👄👁
Joe, who "can't STAND" cricket, apparently
*hears intro to Photograph for the first time* "wot the FUCK is that-?"
FINALLY they're talking about the little "plick" at the very beginning of Photograph it's the bEST PART OF THE WHOLE SONG
“Someone who is the ultimate ‘you can't have’” -Joe (i'm actually gonna cry pls stop you don't know how hard it is to hear YOU say that)
"hold your breath, crush your fingers, and hope we pull it off" -Phil
"big chunky chunk chunk guitars" -Joe
Too Late For Love being the first Pyromania song
VIV TYPHEROHMTRPOMTH *headbangs while putting up horns* "it's gud for THAT!" STOPP YOU’RE GETTING AS DORKY AS JOE
"most bands when they play their songs live play them too fast and they lose their sexiness" -Joe
Joe thinking that the album version of Too Late For Love is too fast and that the live version off Mirror Ball is slightly better speed even though it's about 5BPM slower
Joe referring to Steve as "Clarky"
Joe pronouncing "that" as "dat" (again)
Sav's weights visible in the background
Viv: "I'd do a solo, Phil'd do a solo, I'd do another one, Joe would get bored-"
 I THINK Joe’s wearing an earring...? It’s really hard to tell
Joe saying his as was sore for quote unquote “WEEKS” after being forced to ride a horse for a whole day while filming the Foolin video
Joe preceding to be very very salty about this
"The explosions in Foolin' burnt all the hair off my arms, almost put me in the hospital- so that's what's known as 'suffering for your art'" -Joe
Rick cracking himself up with his own impression of Billy Idol going "aREnt YoU thOSE guYS whO dO tHE soNG- FUH-FUH-FUH-FUH-FUH-FUH-FUH-FUH-FOOLIN?"
Joe making guitar noises with this voice makes me so fucking happy
Joe explaining how he came up with the chorus for Rock of Ages and then saying "I'm sorry but you couldn't make this up :3)"
joe still looks the F U C K I N G S A M E AS HE DID BACK IN '82 I STFG IT'S KINDA FREAKING ME OUT
Joe impersonating his 22/23 year old self talking to Mutt: *does a triple take* "wot about this...?"
Joe loving his vocal performance on Comin Under Fire
Finding out that the first half of the Comin Under Fire intro was written by Pete
"especially with one arm these days..." -Rick
Joe saying that Comin Under Fire is probably his favorite song off Pyromania because he's "not sick to death of it"
JOE'S VOICE GOING HIGH WHEN HE SAID "(Comin Under Fire) stays in the Vault, ya know- for now- FOR NOW :D"
“We have since worked out... we are NOT the Rolling Stones and never WILL be..." -Joe
Joe calling Move With Me Slowly "the closest we ever got to sounding like the Stones"
Joe admitting he tried to sound Cockney on Action Not Words and clearly looking embarrassed
Joe basically shitting on Action Not Words in general
I thought maybe just MAYBE Joe was gonna get through this whole set of videos without mentioning Mott- I was wrong.
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50 Questions About Me tag (My First Post!)
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Hey everybody! I think it’s time I introduced myself so you can see who I am! So without further ado, the 50 Questions About Me Tag! See if your answers match mine, who knows, maybe we could be friends!
1. WERE YOU NAMED AFTER ANYONE?
No, I wasn’t. Well, not originally. My name was supposed to be ‘Ruby’, after the song, but it never turned out that way. Then, when i got older, I earned my pen name ‘Scott’ from my gamer tag on Steam. Most people remember me by my personality more that my name, now they can do both!
2. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU CRIED?
Today, actually. I had a dispute with my best friend over past issues and it didn’t go well. We made up afterwards.
3. DO YOU LIKE YOUR HANDWRITING?
Yes and no. It’s like chicken scrawl, but at least I can read it!
4. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE LUNCH MEAT?
Lunch meat…? Uh…ham I guess? I don’t really eat that kind of stuff often.
5. DO YOU HAVE KIDS?
No, no I do not. I mean, I have a doll that goes everywhere with me, but that’s not considered a kid.
6. IF YOU WERE ANOTHER PERSON WOULD YOU BE FRIENDS WITH YOU?
I would actually. While I have my flaws, I also have my charms.
7. DO YOU USE SARCASM A LOT?
Abso-fucking-lutely.
8. DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR TONSILS?
No, I also had my adenoids removed as well.
9. WOULD YOU BUNGEE JUMP?
Not even for a undisclosed amount of money.
10. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE CEREAL?
Fruit Loops. A true reflection of my soul.
11. DO YOU UNTIE YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU TAKE THEM OFF?
No, they’ve got Velcro on them. Unless it’s my ‘fancy’ shoes, then I do.
12. DO YOU THINK YOU ARE STRONG?
No, I am neither mentally or physically.
13. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE ICE CREAM?
Cookies & Cream.
14. WHAT IS THE FIRST THING YOU NOTICE ABOUT PEOPLE?
Face. have to check if it’s friendly.
15. RED OR PINK?
Magenta!
16. WHAT IS THE LEAST FAVORITE THING ABOUT YOURSELF?
I have a list. You’re going to have to be more specific.
17. WHO DO YOU MISS THE MOST?
My mother. Anytime I’m away from her, I miss her.
18. WHAT IS THE QUOTE THAT HAS INSPIRED YOU THE MOST?
“It’s strange because sometimes, I read a book, and I think I am the people in the book.” ― Stephen Chbosky,  The Perks of Being A Wallflower
19. WHAT COLOR SHOES ARE YOU WEARING?
Skin coloured. They’re this new style called feet.
20. WHAT WAS THE LAST THING YOU ATE?
Pizza. *angel chorus*
21. WHAT ARE YOU LISTENING TO RIGHT NOW?
Lowlife – That Poppy. Surprisingly, while that girl is creepy AF, it’s a good song.
22. IF YOU WERE A CRAYON, WHAT COLOR WOULD YOU BE?
Purple or Gray. Only because Purple is my favorite color and I usually wear a lot of Gray clothing.
23. FAVORITE SMELLS?
Certain body washes and soaps. I have a big…hording problem with those if they smell nice.
24. WHO WAS THE LAST PERSON YOU TALKED TO ON THE PHONE?
My ex-boyfriend/best mate.
25. MOUNTAIN HIDEAWAY OR BEACH HOUSE?
Beach house. I unfortunately find the mountains and country living a little too quiet, so a beach is better. Closer to the city.
26. FAVORITE SPORTS TO WATCH?
Animated ones. They go a lot faster.
27. HAIR COLOR?
My natural hair color is dark brown, but I usually dye it an array of colors. This month it’s bright orange, but it’s fading so I’ll most likely redye it soon.
28. EYE COLOR?
Also brown.
29. DO YOU WEAR CONTACTS?
Nope.
30. FAVORITE FOOD?
Indian flat bread, ,or just white bread in general. Not sure why.
31. SCARY MOVIES OR HAPPY ENDINGS?
Happy endings. I can’t handle many scary movies.
32. LAST MOVIE YOU WATCHED?
Power Rangers. I’m making a review of that currently to post on this here blog.
33. WHAT COLOR SHIRT ARE YOU WEARING?
Peach colored, so a really bright pastel orange.
34. SUMMER OR WINTER?
Winter all the way. Here it just rains and I love rain, so it’s a perfect match.
35. HUGS OR KISSES?
Hugs. While kisses are okay, I just prefer them more.
36. FAVORITE DESSERT?
Cookies and Cream ice cream or Hershey’s. Can’t go wrong.
37. STRENGTH TRAINING OR CARDIO?
Neither. I am perfectly fine the way I am. So, fuck gyms.
38. COMPUTER OR TELEVISION?
Computer. While I love my television dearly and it’s programmes, The computer is where I spend most of my time.
39. WHAT BOOK ARE YOU READING NOW?
None currently, but I have a whole stack of library books I have to get though right now.
40. WHAT IS ON YOUR MOUSE PAD?
It’s just a plain blue cover, there isn’t anything interesting like a graphic unfortunately.
41. ANY TATTOOS?
Nope. Want, but won’t get. My pain tolerance is a bit low.
42. FAVORITE SOUND?
‘Do you want takeaway for dinner?’ Sad, I know.
43. ROLLING STONES OR BEATLES?
Ooh. I don’t really listen to either, but I’ll say The Beatles because most of the bands I actually listen to have covered most of their songs.
44. WHAT IS THE FARTHEST YOU HAVE BEEN FROM HOME?
Sydney. Had the best week ever that year.
45. DO YOU HAVE A SPECIAL TALENT?
Not really sure.
46. WHERE WERE YOU BORN?
In a little run down shit show called Ipswich. (Sorry guys, but it’s true. I mean no offense.)
47. WHERE ARE YOU LIVING NOW?
Brisbane! The city of opportunities, well, at least I think.
48. WHAT COLOR IS YOUR HOUSE?
Green or red with white. I”m not sure. I don’t really look that often.
49. WHAT COLOR IS YOUR CAR?
I don’t own one. Figures.
50. ANY PETS?
1 dog and 1 cat.
And that’s a little about me! Hope you enjoyed reading that and as always, comment down below on TV shows, books and movies you would like me to review!
- XOXO Scott
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