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thetownwecallhome · 2 years ago

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TNBC Shower Thought-cloud #5: Sally the Ragdoll

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So the sequel book to Nightmare Before Christmas All Hail the Pumpkin Queen, came out this last year and I just gotta make my stance clear now: if you like that book, cool.

I don't. Like, I really don't. To make a long story short, Shea Anshaw's take on Jack and Sally finally getting married ft the revelations that

Sally wasn't actually made by Dr. Finkelstein

Sally is a princess from another world

Sally wax poetic abt awesome girl-boss royalty ((like, human royalty, the kind that commits genocide and apartheid)) being legit and cool and how you shouldn't question it

This newest girl-bossification of Sally is positing the same question the TNBC-critical sphere has been asking for years: is Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas dependent and therefore can't be a good feminist character?

The hyperbole take on her being " her [Sally's] entire purpose is being supportive of Jack, who isn't supportive of her and who doesn't deserve her as a girlfriend "

This isn't a fringe opinion nor is it held only by people I dislike. Lindsay Ellis jokingly told Sally to "get her bachelor's degree" in one of her vids which I am very obviously not butthurt at all by as you can tell, while Hasani Walker made a webcomic where that functionally happens; Sally and Jack break up to work things out individually before they really try it out as a couple.

Just so we're clear, my disagreeing with these two and other creators is NOT meant to be war on people who don't ship SallyxJack, nor is it a roast on people who are critical of Sally/TNBC as a principle.

BUT, when it comes to Sally ((in the film, not the games or spin offs, the film)) being a doormat of a woman who's too good for her man...I disagree.

---First thing's first, My take on Sally is highly influenced by The Nightmare Before Christmas : The Film, the Art, and the Vision which my sister bought years ago. In that book, Carolyn Thompson said this -

While TNBC is the story of the time Jack did a thing and ruined it for everyone, it's Sally who embodies everything the filmmakers want the audience to feel about Jack.

Set up and seen before Jack is even on screen, Sally is a part of the world of Halloween, but also an outsider in it. This gives her the position to see Jack the way the audience does; Just like Sally, we are awed and enamored with Jack when he first pops up, then saddened and sympathetic for him once we realize his plight. Though she's absent from Jack's finding of Christmas Town, she IS there for the town meeting when we the audience (and her) are gushing over his gushing over Christmas. We sense along with Sally Jack's frustration with the town citizens, are saddened to see him pander to them, and can tell he’s not well when committing to his Xmas experiments. Most important of all, Sally recognizes Jack’s Xmas takeover as wrong and wants to stop it, even if she love him. Even without hearing him sing “I bet I could IMPROVE IT TOO” like we do, Sally knows Jack is wrong. Regardless of her care for Jack, visibly, she’s the only one who sees what’s happening with Santa is wrong. Sally tracks him down in order to help Jack, but she’s none the less Santa’s real ally. From everything we know about her, Sally, like the rest of Halloween Town, is not a mean monster and doesn’t like to spread misery ala Oogie Boogie, and she’s not too hopped up on enthusiasm to forget when she’s hurting people like Jack and the town very much are. Sally is the og critical stan. now join me for a tanget-

Interestingly, any other holiday film ((Year without a Santa Claus, Hocus Pocus, Hop)) would make the voice-of-reason audience-surrogate character a peppy human child who's interacting w the holiday characters, but in TNBC, the writers made the surrogate someone who's also a holiday character- Sally. Sally is kind of to TNBC what Nick Calloway is to The Great Gatsby. Yeah, that's a stretch-Nick is of course the narrator and author-stand in for his story where Sally isn't (although, a TNBC narrated by Sally sounds dope as hell, ngl), tho more importantly, while Nick learns along with the reader how cruel and fruitless the American dream Jay believed in actually was,

---Sally is a character who doesn’t have to learn anything. tanget- again

A lot of people have this opinion on Disney heroines like Belle or Ariel, that good characters, female or otherwise, don't necessarily have to learn anything. I could take or leave Belle and Ariel in as far as if they should learn a lesson in their movies. But in my eyes, that character will always be Sally. Sally is a character you wanna aspire to be like and who doesn’t need to learn the lesson of the story. And yes, Sally is also in-love with Jack. You can be extra cynicalsassy and use this to say "TNBC was made to make you feel like you could make out w Jack Skellington" (( I'd like to point out that Nick is all but canonically in love with Jay in GG)) but that's not the point. More importantly...how/why is that a bad thing that Sally is in love? TNBC doesn’t pass any bectal tests. If women always supporting other women is the only mark of feminism ever then I guess, but I mean, what’s wrong if a woman’s inspo and motivation is a man? What’s especially wrong if she’s self aware and tries to battle that man’s influence within the story. How is that "putting up with" or "enabling/excusing/thinking only of Jack". Sally...really doesn't do that...

---Sally has wants, but within the narrative of Nightmare she's just a bit taken back by needs. At the start of the movie what Sally wants, and the reason she says "I know how you feel" to Jack, is to be active.

“I don’t want to BE patient”

“I’m restless, I can’t help it!”

Sally wants to be anything but Finkelstein's cute assistant because SHE knows she's more than that. She wants to be a part of Halloween Town. What's keeping her back is her reluctance to be free, which she finally throws to the wind after seeing Jack's tower from afar, which is why she's so happy throwing herself out the window - that's her 'let it go' moment of actually taking action in her life. The man she loves is evidently doing it -why shouldn't she? Her actual 'need' is to escape from Dr. Finkelste and it’s really not an obstacle, if we're being honest. The balls are all in her court; Fink's at most an irritation to her. She literally came back to his lab just to be sewn up and smile in his face about poisoning him. She can, and does, so often easily escape because she’s NOT perturbed by him. Sally is, at this point in the film, totally in control of her wants and her needs. But then- the plot kicks in and she has her vision. It's then that her real need in the story, the need she recognizes, outweighs her wants, that need being: "omg I gotta stop this undead himbo from hurting himself and other people!" Sally’s #1 goal in the film is NOT to be Jack's gf, it’s just to save him from himself. Jack inspires her, makes her feel good, but she doesn’t let that stop her from seeing things for how they are ABOUT him. Her words in "Sally Song" never read to me as "notice me senpai I wish I was good ENOUGH" self-loathing. If anything her succumbing to “it’s never to become '' about Jack isn’t some “I love you even though you’ll NEVER luff MEEEEE” devotion, but forlorn frustration. “I think it’s not to be '' = Jack’s never gonna change”. It's Sally's lament about how she doesn't believe Jack will ever want her that way because she just knows what kind of person he is*. But that's not the only thing she sings about in this song. Sally has been apart from the crowd and wants to be a part of it, but any joy she’d have in her new independence is kinda sucked up by knowing Jack is gonna get him and possibly the rest of the town killed. She even wonders in her song if she wants to or ever can be really a part of Halloween Town when she clearly can’t do the hype-Jack-up song and dance like the rest of them. Jack evidently treats her like an equal part of the team, but 1) for Jack that's just another citizen he thinks doesn't understand him, and 2) it's participation in a project she knows she doesn't want to be a part of. Real monkey's paw there, Sally!

If there is anything close enough to a lesson for Sally in the film, arguably, it’d be not to underestimate Jack as unable to change. She’s not only validated by the end of the film, she gets to see Jack really bounce back and be the person she loved at the start- and then is taken aback that he not only does this but finally recognizes her affections, her efforts, and her as a person. final tangent:

((I think the make-or-break-you point with Nightmare is a question of whether or not you think Jack learned his lesson. While I think the filmmakers could have really handled that better, especially in “Poor Jack”, I think what they were going for in their own crunch of an ending is Jack falling in love with Sally is his redemption- he finally came around to seeing her and her way. The Film, the Art, and the Vision makes a point of how Sally is far more than Jack’s romantic interest. ))

Being Mr. Cynical again, you could handwave this as just a throw-in from the writers; "actually she IS REALLY important lookit all the things she do!" but I believe in that statement because they believe in that.

--Sally's MO is centered around Jack. Narratively, yes, she exists in compandum to him. But, within the actual story of the film, Jack isn't her soul purpose in life. The fact that she tries to stop him is proof enough of that.

The argument that Sally is too good and better than the relationship she's in falls apart because Jack and Sally aren't IN a relationship in the film. They hook up at the end -that's not the same as them being together or a couple. The logic of this take is, again, confusing Sally's wants with her needs, and also presuming Jack always loved her and just didn't realize until the end of the story, which is NOT the text of the actual film, that's fan speculation. (( I prefer Jack falling in love with Sally on the spot out of nowhere. It's such a Jack way of doing things...)) I think what convinces people that Sally is “dependent” on Jack or only ever his side-kick is how expanded media treats her as character, as well as her relationship w Jack. In the 2000s, all that mattered for making spin off material of kid’s franchises is keeping the cast recognizable and that means undoing their development if the point of the story is that they change. It happened in every Land Before Time sequel where Cera and Littlefoot have to be the respective team-racist and team-leader, always, ever, all the time; it happened in the Finding Nemo comics set after the movie where writers still made Marlin overprotective of Nemo; it happened to Jack in Kingdom Hearts and Oogie’s Revenge. The writers may want to write an actual story, but it’s easier to just write what the characters are like in the original. SO, Jack HAS to be an oblivious, selfish manchild and can never learn and is also really despondent and prone to abandoning ppl he supposedly cares about. This sucks enough for Jack's character, but I think Sally suffered even worse than him. At that time, media and merch did treat Sally like she was JUST Jack’s love interest. Literally in Oogie’s Revenge's game pamphlet the only disc for her is “she’s sewn her way into Jack’s heart”, like she’s just his side piece and not the woman he ended his movie with who was also a really important character you followed within that movie. We can only repeat what we know from the film so oop!-Jewel’s MIA and Sally has to live with her sexist ex/boss who doesn't even like her.

---While we're here, I'm 100% sure Sally and Dr. Fink’s relationship is not familial. Some fictional mad scientists do love their creations like they were their children (see also: Mad Monster Party, 9, Frankenweenie for animated examples). Not Dr. Fink. While not exactly predatory ((because it's a fricken kids film, ew)) Dr Finkelstein is a sexist old man. He's problematic. Fink made Sally to be his sexy secretary. He's mad because her life doesn’t revolve around him the way he thinks a woman who works for him life should. In the end, he just decided to go and make a copy of himself since he knows now what he wants is to be told how awesome he is. I really don’t vibe some fic authors (and Shea Anshaw's) insistence that they be anything like ‘family’, hence why I made fun of it on this blog.

For all I disagree with between our headcanons, I much prefer Hasani Walker's take on Sally to Long Live the Pumpkin Queen. Hasani went in w good vibes; he made decent takes and criticisms; he made some good art; he did a sweet crossover between stop-motion properties, and MOST importantly, Hasani gave Sally a hat and a cool girl vest. Did Shea Anshaw do that? No!

It feels very at home and on-brand for TNBC that Sally was made from whole cloth as a ragdoll, but is still her own autonomous person by the rest of town and even the leader eventually. Reminds me a lot of the Oz books where the Scarecrow, Jack Pumpkinhead, and Gump are all just possessions but who are seen as people by the heroes, and even made official citizens by the heroes, which they are. What's more Halloweeny than a living-ragdoll-frankenstein woman being co-ruler of everything spoopy, or even just a citizen loved and respected as much as the rest of the town for her own attributes? If that's what you want, and it's what Hasani actually did for her, than give her that. Outside of her purpose within the story that I already mentioned earlier... what about Sally is sexist? So TNBC doesn't pass the bechdel test and Sally's main inspo happens to be her man. Not her soul purpose like in mother!, just her muse, her kin, her dearest friend. Secret of NIMH and Kubo and the Two Strings have female characters whose motives are their men and those characters don't even have first names. I kinda really hate the implication that a woman can't have a male character as a motive ever or else. As a feminist, I agree, women characters should be individuals and not props for the men. The problem to me isn't so much the insistence that a woman be there for support, it's writers crafting a story where certain characters fill more of a role or purpose in cunjunction to another, and when the writer happens to make said character a woman.

Also, since the whole point of LLTPQ was to give Sally her own agency and importance...how is it fair that she HAVE to be a royalty HERSELF in order to be her own person?

Is it because she was made to be a sexy nurse and that's somehow wrong or shameful even though the whole point is it's not her fault? Is it that people would accuse her of “leeching off" Jack just for being in a relationship with him? You know? The thing bad, sexist people do to women and sax workers irl if they have famous boos when they themselves aren't famous? If the only people complaining are those who think Sally is JUST Jack’s sidepiece, why validate those people? Wanting her to have agency within the movie and so giving her different choices as opposed to just INSTANTLY marrying Jack? That's a take I can vibe with because that is true to the nature of what Sally is, which is not just the Mad Scientist's beautiful assistant. By making Sally a "princess all along '', you imply that her even possibly starting from the bottom makes her beneath Jack and she has to rise to be his equal. Sally never had to do this in the original movie. Sally really was the smartest, most in tune person in town.

I talk a big game, of course, but even as my fav character I know I've done Sally wrong too. The "Mothball" comic is one of my biggest regrets from this blog. It's SO badly worded and I think it's a comic that REALLY needed a second opinion. Sally did nothing wrong in that comic, but both it and Jack made her feel like they were both in the wrong. Trying to give Jack and Sally a conflict as a couple was hard and I ended up rehashing some really harmful language, which I didn't want to do for either Sally or Jack. Don't like that comic. My first choice of retype, redraft.

final thoughts?

What people (me, Lindsay, Hasani, Shea, errybody) actually want of Sally is to have her own agency and 'character' apart from Jack. While narratively, yes, Sally functions as being there to endear Jack to the audience, my point is as a character within the narrative-Sally does have her own autonomy apart from him. She is massively independent of him. I know because that's who she is throughout the entire movie. I think it's because we all see she clearly does have her own interests/agency/character beyond that that we're all anxious to get more of that personally from her...which Disney won't do because they're Disney and certain characters can't come as their own especially when they fufilled another character's purpose in the og film.

Anna can't really do anything that isn't tied to Elsa because it's Elsa who's the reason any of Frozen happens at all.

Belle is always only the cheerleader of the Beast because his character arc is what drives the story.

Sally has to always be in toe of Jack because TNBC is Jack's story and she loves Jack.

But, we love Sally.

Give Sally her own limelight. Give her a limelight that isn't compltely making her a different character or demanding she be the same character as Jack.

Let Sally say #$%&

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#sally the ragdoll #sally the nightmare before christmas #nightmare before christmas #the nightmare before christmas #tnbc analysis #sally skellington #long live the pumpkin queen

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winns-stuff · 1 year ago

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As much as I dislike Rachel and the way she handles her story (I was going to list examples but then decided. Not to. I'd like to see my family today.), I think it's unfair to put the responsibility of who views their work onto the creator. Kids get into shit on the internet that they're not supposed to, from horror games to drama to yadda yadda. Unless you have your work behind a paywall (and even then), they'll find a way to get in. Unless the comic is specifically *advertised* as a teen drama/romance, then I don't think Rachel should have to censor herself, either in comic or on her Twitter page. Who views her comic is something that she can't control, no creator can. Again, if its listed as a teen age range then I'm shooting myself in the leg here, but I think my point still stands. Just because someone is an adult on the internet, doesn't mean they have to babysit their followers, or make themselves kid friendly

As much as I share that same dislike for both you are right and the responsibility shouldn’t fall on her because I’m sure there’s dozens of children who follow her on twitter that she doesn’t know about. It’s been a very long time since I’ve read Lore Olympus though so I’m not sure if it has that 18+ rating that other webtoons give you when you click on them so I’ll leave that up for debate, if it does then I can’t necessarily do anything about it but my problem is the age limit for webtoon as a whole is as young as 12 years old and I’m sure it could be even younger.

I just don’t appreciate Rachel placing such a drastic and disturbing age gap between a literal teenager and a 40 year old man, she did not say that she didn’t support it nor did she say that it was bad instead she praises the relationship and makes it seem like it’s a good thing for an older man to pursue a minor. It gives those “biologically men like little girls because they’re more fertile” vibes and l really hate to say it because I’m sure that’s not what Rachel intended. Not accusing her of being one of course just stating that the excuse was.

The reason I get so heated about this though is because I am a minor unfortunately and I’m in the front rows of seeing young girls my age or younger be preyed upon by grown men. I think that teenagers as a whole deserve better content pertaining us, I’m so sick of everyone sexualizing our youth and telling us that it’s okay if a grown up hits on you or wants to have a relationship with you. It’s tiring at this point and it encourages girls either being preyed on to accept it because that’s “good” in some sick way or we just normalize it so much that we’re back to grown men openly dating young girls.

Again not saying that Lore Olympus is bad enough to do that I’m more so just talking about it in general. Do I think Rachel is a bad person? No I’d like to clarify that, sure I have my gripes with her but I won’t say she’s a bad person. I just hate the way she handled everything with Lore Olympus and it’s fairly easy to see that she has a very special interest in the youth of women.

#lo critical #anti lore olympus #anti lo #lore olympus criticism #lore olympus critical

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anemotwinks · 8 months ago

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please listen to this, shipping urbosa with Zelda is not okay, Zelda was 16 until the day Urbosa died, and that means she is a MINOR. Urbosa in her diary states that she held Zelda as a baby, and was close friends with her mother the queen who was an adult when she had her daughter, meaning Urbosa was too. Urbosa is an adult, likely in at LEAST her forties, and is also confirmed by the creators to be a stand in mother to her. That also makes this borderline incest. Since this is the case; this ship is both pedophilia, and incest, and a minor legally cannot consent to a relationship with a man adult, that also makes it rape. It is also hugely uncomfortable to have someone raise you and then be in a relationship with them, that doesn’t happen

I am PRAYING that you weren’t aware of this or the harm involved with this ship, but I also know that there are many disgusting people out there who fetishize this stuff and find it attractive. I am PRAYING you are not that type, and if you need an alternative to ship with Urbosa, make an oc for Zelda’s mom!! They were known to be close friend and are a very cute ship

when i drew the drawing, no, i wasn't aware. as far as i played in botw i saw some cutscenes of urbosa and zelda being cute together and that's where the drawing came from so yeah, simple as that

i would never ship actual incest that's really gross, and i'm highly skeptical of age gaps even when someone's of legal age. so you don't have to worry about that.

however, i think it's important to be able to separate fiction and real life. i don't care if someone's a "proshipper" because most people are able to clearly understand and have proper boundaries of what they like in fiction and what they would accept in real life. of course, not everyone is able to critically think about it like that, but i think most people are.

if you don't like ships that are morally dubious i totally get that. certain things give me the total ick too. but i would be amiss to go to someone to tell them exactly why they're problematic and disgusting for engaging in media i don't fuck with.

idk, i get where you're coming from anon, but i really dislike this kind of moral policing over fiction. it's fiction for a reason, consuming and liking certain tropes, ships etc doesn't make you a bad person, nor does it mean you would excuse any of it in real life.

#im also quite the contrarian so #if anyone tells me what to do i want to do the opposite lmao #ask #i cant believe i got an ask on this blog in the year of 2024 #interesting topic tho anon im not mad at you for sending me this

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slime-sandwhich-nom · 5 months ago

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Oh man I jst wome op

Honestly him being a dog is something I never thought of but now I do see it, kind of.

But honestly 😭 if he really was a dog he'd probably be one of those super small ones because if gumball is tiny (around 4ft [1,40cm] or something) imagine tobias who is generally the same height

🙏😈 undiagnosed characters let's go.

For my contribution, I always saw gumball as dyslexic. he's definitely neurodivergent (going for ADHD as well but could also be simple hyperactivity, kind of like my brother.) but he's going for dyslexia in my head, especially with the continuous bit of him "not being able to write properly" which is just him missing a few letters or mixing up words.

For Sarah!! Aside from her being quite literally being a fangirl character (I heard about the theory of her being a irl fan somehow turning herself into a cartoon to get in Elmore, hence why she was from "another town".) and this means she's gonna do..weird stuff I always saw her dislike towards anyone that actively goes against gumball (and Darwin) as her enemy

It made sense to me at least, if she's the mock of a fandom and is literally weirdly obsessed with gumball and Darwin, it'd made sense she'd go against anything that could be a potential threat, Tobias stealing "the spotlight" being one of them.

She used to exscuse of the show turning into a corny sitcom but she really just wanted gumball back, I don't think she cares about the sitcom since she's the type to watch them ngl.

So yeah, I always imagined she'd hate the same things those toxic people in fandoms hate, anything that is slightly against their favorite character.

The rest just doesn't care though. Neither for gumball or tobias, like sure gumball has lots of friends, frenemies and people who hate him but aside from rob (literally only does what he does because a) chance to be important and because gumball told him he could be the bad guy b) you gotta go through the main character of you're trying to change the script and the entire world and revolves around one guy.) no one does anything, at least anything like sarah does (loudly complain and attempting murder at this point.)

but for Tobias? They mostly get annoyed by him. They don't feel like they have strong opinions about him and they are all definitely just "friends in school" that after middle school won't talk ever, the only one I see talking to tobias are gumball (followed by Darwin, but Darwin himself wouldn't do much.), ocho(sometimes),bobert and banana joe, like those characters are the only ones who aren't constantly annoyed by Tobias nor ignore him, they do have chats and seem friends too (in the background they hang around a lot too.)

Also about the boykisser energy

I honestly hc him as bi but says he's straight, like he's unconsciously oppressing his like for guys and goes for the girls. He goes for both but God forbid him having any crush on a guy (he'd probably go crazy before accepting him)

Kind of like the opposite of gumball,where I see the guy being open without a care ("gumball loves who he loves." - literally the show creator) and casually telling guys to marry him like with ocho and people going "knew it, you owe me 5 bucks"

just this guy oppressing his part of his sexuality by making everyone think he's the straightest of them all and then literally gumball being cool with both girls and boys but clearly has a crush on someone and even fw crossdressing and roleplaying as a girl

the two sides of bisexual: the one who fully accepts it and the one who denies it

Can't let the gang know I fw Tobias accidentally becoming aware

#it's real funny to ne how yoi like tobias and kin him and i lik gumball and i kin him #i just woke up i def missed soemsthing

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marissaofunderground · 5 years ago

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My stance on Hazbin Hotel

I think it should be OK to like something without having an opinion on the creator. OK? Because I know how many people on the internet think that if a creator has done something wrong or controversial that means you can’t or shouldn’t enjoy their creative works. I’ve written a whole thing about this in a Discord server a couple weeks ago, and I’ll take a little from that:

“ I really wanna make Hazbin Hotel fanart and HH OCs. The problem is how controversial the creator is, and how polarizing she is. She’s had controversy and drama surrounding her for years based on the fact she once did things that aren’t exactly OK. And I’m not defending her for those actions at all, but I also don’t know what she’s like at all and if she’s a better person today, and I ALSO want to add that a LOT of other popular creators have done things that aren’t OK, too. I’m a huge fan of David Bowie, for example, but in the 80’s he had a hit song that’s.....let’s say just won’t fly by today’s standards. That song is called “China Girl”, and the problem with that song is really just existing, because Asian women are fetishized in the West. While I’m sure that wasn’t Bowie’s intent, I avoid that song and have no idea why I still hear it being played on the radio or appearing in official Spotify playlists today. That said, I still enjoy Bowie’s music and am still a big fan, despite that one song I consider a mistake. The Rolling Stones, likewise, have a similar case with their song “Brown Sugar”, a song I also avoid for similar reasons. Then you have the Golden Age of Animation and its racist caricatures. The style has had a comeback in popularity, but thankfully without the racism, as people of all kinds are drawing in this style, taking out the bad parts and drawing the old style reflecting modern sensibilities. That said, when the original cartoons are released on DVD, we have a disclaimer that points out that “yeah people thought this shit was OK back then, but it’s not, and we know that, but we also don’t want to pretend those prejudices never existed, so we’re not taking them out, think of this as a history lesson”.”

“Tl;dr, lots of creators of stuff we enjoy, be it music or cartoons, can be controversial people. Nobody is perfect. I won’t defend Vivzie for what she did back then, and I still won’t today because I have no idea what she’s like and if she is a horrible person or not. This whole thing is really complicated and I think for me the best thing is to just not have an opinion on Vivzie the creator, but I also want to enjoy HaHo for what it is. I want to enjoy the cartoon, create fanart and OCs like others are doing, but I also don’t want to trigger people upset by Vivzie or think I’m supporting her or liking her or defending her. Can you enjoy the content without having an opinion on the creator of said content? Because really - that’s what I wanna do. Seeing all the Alastor profile pics and fanart as well as HH OCs makes me want to fill up pages of my sketchbook with Angel Dust and draw some of my OCs in the HaHo world. But at the same time, I also just wanna remain without a stance on the creator of the show. People online can make you feel like you’re not allowed to just like something because the person behind the work is controversial.”

And no. I do not know much about Vivzie at all. I do know she has her rabid fans who get upset over criticism, and I also know she has haters who don’t want to see anyone support Hazbin Hotel or be fans of it “Unfollow me if you like Hazbin Hotel,” some say. That’s like saying “Unfollow me if you like vanilla ice cream”! Do the bad decisions or actions of the creator taint the franchise as a whole? I just....this extreme association gives a bad and toxic message, it tells people we can’t like a show because of the creator. Well then, I guess that means nobody should watch The Loud House or Twelve Forever then, or most media throughout history as prejudice was much worse behind the camera back in those days and there is so much of it that never went recorded or reported. See how....extreme this is? Personally, I’d like to not take a side, to just enjoy the franchise, draw my HaHo sona and characters and make fanart, without having an opinion on the creator at all. That should be possible, and OK.

So there you have it. Two weeks ago, I finally gave up resisting and rewatched the pilot. All my friends have been huge fans of HaHo since the pilot dropped, and I wanted to join them so I have. I started doodling an OC in my sketchbook while at Kumoricon. And now, after this message, I think I will show him.

#hazbin hotel #creator controversy #the loud house #twelve forever #the golden age of hollywood #the golden age of animation #rubberhose animation #can we just like things please #toxic association #long post #text post #no this doesn't mean i like the creator nor does it mean i dislike her #i'm indifferent #i don't want to take a side

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opinated-user · 2 years ago

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Puking anon here. I appreciate the offer of an anon space. When I read your write-up about the video, it covered most of the points I was going to make

There was just two things I wanted to add.

What pissed me off the most about her video, was that LO acts like she is the spokeswomen for all Trans-Women, including trans-women in the 70s and 80s that were apparently offended by the movie. COMPLETELY IGNORING the fact that RHPS was and still is a place where a lot of Trans, NB, and Queer people were able to find themselves.

LO is allowed to dislike the movie. That is perfectly fine. But to act like it's been this massive shame point on the Trans community is DISHONEST and shows her lack of ability to do ANY research.

And speaking of her inability to Google, I just wanted to post this quote from a Guardian Article from 2020 regarding Richard O'Brien

"His openness and inclusivity made it surprising when he remarked in 2016 that a trans woman “can’t be a woman. You can be an idea of a woman.” It felt like an inflexible statement from the man who in Rocky Horror preached the ultimate message of empowerment and self-actualisation: “Don’t dream it. Be it.”

Does he still hold that view on trans identity? “You and I have to be very careful here,” he says, sounding wary for the first time. “We’ve seen what’s been happening with JK Rowling. I think anybody who decides to take the huge step with a sex change deserves encouragement and a thumbs-up. As long as they’re happy and fulfilled, I applaud them to my very last day. But you can’t ever become a natural woman. I think that’s probably where Rowling is coming from. That’s as far as I’m going to go because people get upset if I have an opinion that doesn’t line up with theirs. They think I’m being mean-spirited and I don’t want that at all.” He came out as transgender comparatively recently, saying at the time “I believe myself probably to be about 70% male, 30% female … I think of myself as a third sex and it makes things easier.”

That doesn't sound like the words of a raging TERF to me, especially since he-himself is Gender Non-conforming. I honestly don't think he is being mean-spirited about his statements. I don't want to pull an LO and speak for other people though. I just wanted to illustrate that Richard O'Brien isn't the massive Transphobe that LO makes him out to be.

a person doesn't have to be a TERF in order to be transphobic, and by denying trans women their womanhood O'Brien is actually transphobic/transmisogynistic. that's an indisputable fact according to his own words. his own identity as well is irrelevant in the big scheme of things. regardless if he intends to be "mean spirited" or not, the impact of those words is just as harmful as when other bigots says them with all the hatred they can muster. LO's completely within her right to hold that against him and i can't actually blame her either if that fact colors too the way she views the movie. it colors the way a lot of people view that movie too, unfortunately. she's not alone on that nor it's wrong of her to feel that way. however, the real issue is that LO refuses to understand the historical context and impact that the movie (arguably more than the creator) had for people at a time where seeing any character being shamelessly themselves was revolutionary. it had problematic implications and a transphobic creator, but it also gave a lot of people hope that one day they would find their own communities and they wouldn't have to be scared anymore. by simply rejecting it all as it was trash and the people who like it (gay men) as just liking the rape on it (which is full of homophobic connotations), LO's actually dismissing the experience of so many other people whose only contact with queerness was this movie or the fandom around this movie. it's lack of research but also lack of basic understanding for how valuable this movie was.

#lily orchard #lily orchard is homophobic

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briarthorne · 2 years ago

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I actually wanna share an unpopular opinion: Sometimes it's not that character that make people hate it. It's the fans.

I'll example Speedrick (no hate to you liking it, but I found it annoying) the fans depict him as misunderstood. Okay, maybe. Has a bad backstory. Yeah could be.

But to DISMISS what he DID is really annoying, I'm sorry. The fans that go "OMG! WhY aRe YoU hAtInG hIm, He Is A tOtAl AnGeL! sO mIsUnDeRsToOd!" is totally annoying. You all can make your own backstories and etc but if you use those as a reason why he did something and that he is an angel even when he did that, then I believe there is something really wrong with you.

Your art and that other person's (forgot their name) art about Speedrick are amazing btw. But the other girl is making him look innocent and like he didn't just attempted to stop/kill Blaze, and that made me really dislike the character up to this point 💀

Disclaimer: No hate to anyone who likes Crusher, Speedrick, or anyone who likes antagonistic characters in the show. This is just my personal opinion made from my time watching the show and observing the fandom.

Oh. I agree.

Since the show's interpretation of the characters is limited, it is up to the fan content creators to decide what traits a character has.

And, also, I haven't seen anyone say that Speedrick is an angel because of his backstories before. The person I followed has not stated a solid backstory for him nor do my other friends. And I agree, that his backstory doesn't excuse his actions, but it seems that a lot of people tend to forget this very fact. It gets annoying at times, but I bear with it. Most of the time.

Crusher is also an example of this. His actions in the show threaten Blaze's, AJ's, and others' safety multiple times because of his greed. And I like how he's getting better.

Another example is Lazard. He stole the powers of other animals because of his insecurities, but he was forgiven without any punishment, which, to me, was so infuriating. Another example is Treat Thief. She was gluttonous and stole so much from Axle City in such a short time, yet she was forgiven after she says sorry and even became Officer Anna's friend.

I love the villains, truly. Because without the villains, there would be no hero. But just because they are redeemed doesn't mean they do not have consequences.

If this show is for kids, then it sucks in terms of teaching kids the basic principle of karma. Because they could follow the villain's path, and once they think they changed, there wouldn't be any consequences for them. Just because they're sorry doesn't mean that they are immediately good. Villains with redemption still need to face some sort of consequence for their past actions, even though they regret it now. It would be awesome if the show taught kids that.

And the trope, "they're a sympathetic villain because of this and that" is greatly misused. They can't even do the trope RIGHT because there are formulas on how to make an effective sympathetic villain with a tragic backstory. Just look at Gabrielle Agrest/ Hawkmoth from Miraculous Ladybug. The show tries so hard to paint him in a sympathetic light and has the fans not blame him for everything, but from his actions in and out of the mask, he's just majorly abusive. I bet that Emily will file a divorce once she knows how badly Gabrielle treated her son, the creation she DIED for. Like, honestly. Fuck MLB.

Back to the main point. I agree. Just because you have a tragic backstory doesn't mean you deserve to be forgiven or be given a redemption arc and it certainly does not excuse your actions.

#briar answers

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straykidsworldwild · 4 years ago

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Duskwood

Phil Hawkins x MC

Part 1 : MC is having a horrible, horrible day and she goes to the Aurora to have a drink.

(⚠️Sad. Some swearing ⚠️)

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Heyy guys!! Here's a little Phil Hawkins one shot part 1 because there's not enough Duskwood imagines 🙈

(pictures aren't mines but I made the collage and the character aren't mines. All rights go to Duskwood creators and owners of the pics.)

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My day was total crap... I don't believe I've had such a horrible day before. Or at least, not for a long time... It feels like everything is falling apart little by little. Like nothing is meant to go normally. I woke up like any other day, and yet, it feels like I woke up in a chaotic world where everything is meant to go wrong... Since that call, everything is going downhill...

The night has fallen which means I have officially done my day. It felt like forever... Like I am in an endless loop... And since I was meant to do the closing, my day felt even longer than usual. I just finished cleaning the little restaurant I worked at and closed it. It's not a job I would want to do my whole life, even though it is nice to work in a restaurant, but I need money to pay for my college study. My mom is helping pay for them, but I'm trying to pay as much as I can on my own. Anyway... I am walking in the streets of Duskwood which are beamed by the streetlights. It is surprisingly emptier than usual. I guess it's due to the rain... Like my day wasn't cloudy enough already... I think I need a break... Yeah... I need a drink...

I walk toward a familiar building, some greenish-blueish light lightening the area. Aurora... The famous bar of Duskwood owned by my best friend's brother. I've rarely been there alone... Usually I go with the rest of the group. But I really need... Ugh... Maybe I should just go home? Isn't it too late to go there anyway? Ugh... I'm asking myself too many questions. I guess a drink really won't hurt. I reach the door before falling face to face with a sign. CLOSED. Great... I sigh disappointed as I am standing under the rain. Oh... But he is still here. Through the window, I can see a familiar figure cleaning the place. Oh well, I'm neither here nor there... I lift my hand and knock on the door of the bar. The man turned around as I got his attention. I cross my arms over my chest and notice that the rain has already soaked my hair and my vest. I must look awful... The man comes up to the door and opens it for me.

- Gorgeous! Come in before you catch a cold, tells me, the man, using that nickname he always does. I don't know why he does it... I never heard him calling other girls like this. Well, he does use pet names but not this specific one. I step in the bar and he closes the door behind me. You know I love you very much but I'm about to close so... He begins to tell me with his famous smirk despite the little fatigue I can see on his face. His hair is held up in a bun as he usually does when he works. He is wearing a white shirt, letting his huge tattoo on his neck appear, and a black trousers. By the sight of his eyes, I can tell he had a long day too...

- I just need one drink, Phil, I simply answer to my friend. My voice sounded so... Tired and flat. Phil looks at me with a slight surprise, losing slowly his smile. I guess the sound of my voice surprised him. Please... I plead to him with the same tone.

- I would never say "no" to my favorite customer, would I? He answers with a smirk. I faintly smile back at him, happy that finally something goes well. For now... He could have said "no". The two of us walk over to the bar and I sit on a stool while he goes behind the counter. We're alone in the bar since he was about to close so it's pretty quiet. The usual I guess, he tells me with his deep and calm voice.

- Actually... Whiskey. Pure, I reply, stopping him in his momentum. Phil looks back at me for a second, processing my words.

- Wow, I knew you had that wild part in you, Gorgeous, but I didn't think I would ever see it, he tells me with a surprised tone again. Yet, he doesn't seem to dislike it. Phil gets two glasses and he pours a little bit of the beverage in the glasses.

- A little more, please... I tell him with the same flat and tired voice. I stop myself from letting a long sigh out. Again, I feel his eyes burning me before he pours a little more alcohol. Thanks, I thank him.

- On the house, he tells me, leaning against the counter as he raises his glass. I was about to retort but he gave me a look, telling me he won't change his mind.

- Double thanks, I thank him again, clinking my glass with him before taking a sip. Argh... That tastes awful! I can feel the liquid burning my throat.

- So... I know I act like I am very happy to see you, which is the case, don't get me wrong, Gorgeous, he begins to tell me before rapidly correcting himself. But I also see that you're not fine, MC, Oh... I look down as I take a deep breath in. It must not be very hard to see I had a bad day then... Usually I can hide it pretty well... But right now. It's too deep, too much. I'm not even sure "bad" is a strong enough word to describe how crappy my day was. What's wrong? He asks me, sounding calm, gentle and interested, yet, with a point of concern.

- I'm okay, Phil, I softly respond to my friend while slowly shaking my head negatively.

- Mmh... This "I'm okay" sounded more like a "I'm-not-okay-but-I-am-putting-a-brave-face-on". Like a hidden call for help, he tells me gently, yet, seriously. His deep voice is just so... Irresistible, and always so calm. Who could resist it? Well... I guess at this moment I can. My mind is too bothered and busy right now. I crack a very faint smile before looking down at my glass again. I take a sip of it and lightly grimace to the taste of the drink. Who hurt you? He asks me seriously as he takes a cigarette and the lighter. Who… Why someone and not something?

- It's not about me, I respond in a whisper, lying to him. I hate talking about myself when I'm down. I don't want to bother people with my problems... I don't want to be the one to bring negative vibes. Oh no... I turn lightly my head to the side as I feel the tears coming up. I need a break... I need to break.

- Lie, he simply says. I don't look at him and I don't contradict him either. What happened? He asks again with seriousness, not letting this subject aside. I don't answer again. I can feel a lump in my throat. The tears are thick in my eyes and threatening to fall at any time now. MC, talk to me. I'm not here to judge you or... I hide my face even more as I can't stop myself from grimacing sadly. I can't take it... I let a sob out accidentally as if my body is talking for myself. I want to scream. But I can't... MC... He calls me with concern. Phil puts down his cigarette and walks around the counter to join my sides. I don't move and keep my back to him. I hate when people see me crying... Phil puts his hand on my shoulder so I could face him but I push it away, not too harshly, but not too gently either. I let another sob out as I closed my eyes. The tears are so thick and warm... There's so much emotion in them. They roll down my cheeks regularly, evacuating my pain. Without saying a word, I feel a pair of arms holding me. A chest lays against my back. My hair was all wet... His shirt must be wet too by now. It's okay, MC, I hear him whispering. I should push him away. I know how Phil is with girls... Isn't it too easy to cry in front of him and him then being too nice? I know he is my friend and my best friend's brother, but... God, I'm lost. Usually I go to Jessy or I call her. But I came here... Why? Ugh...

- I'm sorry... I whisper shakily through my sobs. I came for a drink and I ended up breaking in front of him...

- No, it's okay. Get it out, he says with a comforting and calm tone. It actually sounds weird coming from him... I know Phil for a few years and he was never like this. I mean, he is always calm but caring like this? That's rare... More than rare. Long minutes later, I slowly calm down. I am still breathing lightly shakily but I'm not sobbing anymore. Only a few tears here and there stream down my eyes. I take a deep breath in and out before wiping my cheeks. I don't remember when was the last time I cried this much... It hurts. It hurts so much. I accumulated too much. I didn't break when mom told me about my uncle's death… I guess I didn't realize what was real and happening at the moment… Or I didn't want to believe it… That built up on my nerves and… This is the result. Slowly, I pull myself away from Phil who didn't let go of me one second. I turn around to face him, but avoid his eyes. Like I thought, the top of his shirt is all wet, letting his tattoos appear a little more on his chest. I'm still confused about what just happened... That's not me to cry in front of people like this... And that's definitely not the Phil I know. Tell me what's wrong, Gorgeous, he says seriously, still wanting to know what got me in such a state. He never gives up...

- Everything, I answer back, my voice lightly breaking. I wipe my cheeks again as I clear my throat. To begin with, when I woke up this morning, I learned that my uncle had passed away during the night. He drove a truck from a country to another and... I explain to him, confessing the terrible news that started this awful day of mine. However, I couldn't bring myself to finish my sentence. I bring my hand over my heart and press on it as if it would take the pain away. Since the call... Just saying those words hurts just as much as saying them in my head. If not more...

- I'm sorry to hear that, he apologizes sincerely.

- Me too... Thanks... But that's not it, I thank him with a sad tone before lightly sniffling. After receiving my mom's call to tell me this awful news, I went to work today because I couldn't stay home. I needed to get my mind busy and to... Not think about the incident, I confess as I feel a new tear rolling down my cheek. My uncle and I were close, you know? He kind of raised me with my mom since my dad left her when she told him about me, I admit to the boy. I watch Phil frowning as he discovers a part of my life that I don't usually bring up. Why am I telling him all of this? It's not like he cares anyway... Does he? Anyway, to continue this unpleasant day, I had the pleasure to meet very unpleasant and rude customers all day long. Like this one call wasn't enough already... One of the customers said that they didn't want me as their waitress because I've got curves, some others telling me I was too long when in reality I just walked away from their table, a couple literally told me I gave them the wrong command and threw their drinks at me, and another one insulted me because there wasn't anymore sandwich like he wanted, I tell him all of this in just one single breath. Yet, you could hear how tired and hurt I am right now. I guess the death of my uncle adding this unnecessary crap was just too much at once. And to add more, my boss is cutting half my pay off because I accidentally broke a cup... A damn cup! Can this day get any worse? I finish to say as I look away, letting a heavy and shaky sight out as another tear rolls down my face. My hand is still over my heart as if I am protecting it all while trying to reject all negative emotions. Suddenly, two fingers softly come grabbing my chin and force me to lift my head up.

- Your boss is a dick, MC. Always have been, always will be, he tells me, the sound of those words sounding familiar. How many times did he already say this to me? I stopped counting... But I should listen, he is right. And f**k those customers. They're not happy? Tell them to go to another restaurant, he responds seriously. His deep voice sounds so calm despite the upset look he has on his face. Am I upsetting him or is he upset because of what happened to me today?

- Right, I kind of need to keep my job despite everything. But you can go tell them that, I respond with a small scoff, yet, trying to use sarcasm.

- Sure, give me names and faces and I'll find them, he replies playfully, yet a point of seriousness heard in his voice. I smile to his answer, appreciating his concern and protectiveness. Though, I never thought it would ever happen one day. Phil is... Not the last person I'd go to to talk but definitely not the first one either... Usually. I look away again and lightly sniffle. Phil wipes some of my tears away. His hands are so soft... It's weird. I've never seen you cry before, he whispers. I look back up at him, watching him slightly frowning. That's true... Not sure a lot of people saw me crying before either... Not even Jessy. I weakly nod before shrugging.

- How does it feel to watch a girl crying in front of you? I reply slightly playfully. Jessy's brother grabs something on the other side of the counter before handing it to me. Tissues... I take them from his hand, thanking him.

- It's painful. When it's you... It's different... Painful, he responds, taking his cigarette again. Oh... I wasn't waiting for an answer like this one. I was waiting for him to say "Can you just stop thinking for a moment?" Or "Stop crying over so little"... But none of that. I watch Phil blowing some smoke, making sure it doesn't go in my face.

- Is the womanizer Phillip Hawkins starting to be an emotional guy? I question him with a playful tone, cracking a smile. I think it's the first time today that I cracked a smile. A real one, I mean.

- No, he's the same dick, he answers, shaking his head left to right while chuckling. Oh... Of course. That would have been too surreal. I'm not going to lie, Phil is a good looking guy. His long hair, his tattoos looking so cool, his piercing, the way he dresses, his voice,... Just the way he is is attractive. The sound of his chuckle runs through my body.

- He admits it, I reply as I feel myself smiling more and more as the tears are coming to a stop. Prove it, I tell him with a daring tone. Phil leans against the counter, smirking.

- Wanna stay with me, tonight? At my place. The bed is comfy and big enough for us two, he proposes seriously to me, a point of flirt in his voice. I know he is being serious. I can hear it in his voice. And that look of his... I know girls don't refuse him generally. But I'm not them. And I don't want to end up in his bed just for one night and then nothing. That's not me... That's not who I am. That's not what I want. He can be incredibly good looking and just be his amazing self, I'll still refuse.

- I don't do one night stands, Phil, I remind him seriously.

- I know... He replies, a slight hidden note of his tone telling me he is disappointed. It's no secret that Phil has been liking me for a while. He has tried to ask me a few times before but I declined them all for... Obvious reasons. Let's do two then, he suddenly says, half joking, half serious.

- Phil! I exclaim as I chuckle.

- It's okay. I'll accept even three nights. Or more. I won't mind, Gorgeous, he continues to say, but I can tell he is joking this time. I softly laugh while shaking my head. There's that smile I love, he states, sounding satisfied with himself for making me smile. Honestly, Gorgeous, don't mind those idiots. Don't let them get to you, he advises me seriously as he finishes his whiskey.

- I don't usually. But I thought going to work was going to help me forget that awful news for a moment. I went there hoping to clear my head. I guess it was just too much today and I needed to break. Sorry it had to be you watching me like this, I answer and apologize to the boy as I take a sip of my drink. Ugh... It's the last time I take Whiskey... I lightly grimace and put the glass down.

- I'm not. If you ever have a bad day again and feel the need to talk, don't hesitate knocking on my door. Even if it's closed. It's always open for you, he tells me seriously and sincerely. Honestly, I haven't met that guy before... Where's the Phil I know?

- Thanks, Phil, I thank him before stepping down the stool. I step up twice and take him in my arms. The man envelops me back in a warm embrace, running softly his hand on my back. I pull my head away and place a kiss on his cheek as a thank you. And before you think of anything spicy, that kiss on the cheek is the farthest you'll ever have, I rapidly tell him, a point of warning in my voice, yet, using a playful tone.

- You're definitely killing me with kindness, MC. My poor heart pays dearly, he tells me with a frustrated tone before I watch him taking my glass of Whiskey. Oh... He winks and takes a sip from it. Oh yeah, drink that thing... I don't like it anyway. And I think he noticed it...

- Moh, maybe one of those girls coming here could put a bandage on it to heal it, I say with some sarcasm, yet, with some dislike heard into it. I always hated that those girls could "help" him... I mean, what do they have? What does he see in them? Before anything said, no, I'm not jealous... I just don't like him with other girls...

- They could. But will it be worth it? He answers while nodding before taking his cigarette and blowing so smoke away.

- You tell me. You're the one who can't resist "beautiful women", I reply to the man, stating his own words. Phil smiles and chuckles lightly to my comment.

- They can definitely help at a low point, he answers, agreeing. Right... Wait, at a low point?

- At a low point? What do you mean? I ask him with a confused tone.

- I can sleep with every woman that wants me. But, in the end, it will never mean anything like... Like when you're with me, he suddenly tells me, lowering his head lightly. His smile disappeared, showing seriousness. Did I hear him right? Did he just say those words? I stare at the man, confused and speechless. Me? Why...? Since when...? Ugh... He had a few drinks today, didn't he? Phil looks back up at me, but his eyes give a quick look at my lips.

- I'm sorry. I'm trying but... Are those words really coming from you or... Did you have any drinks before? I demand him seriously, yet, with a playful tone to keep a cool atmosphere. Arguing with him is the last thing I want. Phil cracks a smile but it doesn't stay long.

- I know I play a lot around with different girls. I know what you think of me. I'm a f**k boy. And I know I tried several times to get a night with you. But... It's not just a night that I want and you don't seem to see that, he replies, not denying who he is but also kind of reproaching me to not open my eyes about him. Well… How could I? If he doesn't tell me, I only see things the way I see them... I nod positively before looking down. Why do I feel a little sorry suddenly? I shouldn't... There's something different with you, MC. You're different. From all the others. I don't want to hurt you. I don't want to dirty you. I don't want to play with you. I don't want to break you, he tells me gently and seriously. I slowly look back up at him and notice how close he is to me. Was he that close to me before? I can feel my heart beating like crazy down my chest. It's wrong... It feels right, but it's wrong. I know it...

- Phil... I gently whisper his name as I a look down again.

- I love you, MC, he interrupts me with his calm and deep voice. What...? I stare at him with wide eyes, surprised by the words I just heard. I didn't even know he knew how to say them… Especially while sounding sincere. He meant those words. I love you like I have never loved a woman before. And I'm not talking about loving the "pretty woman" that you are. No, I mean... He sighs. You're pretty. You're more than pretty. You're prettier than all of those girls and I am not talking just about the way you look. I just... Again, I hear Phil sighing. Despite the fast that he stays calm, I can sense some nervousness coming from him which is unusual. Phil is never nervous, especially around a woman. He is the exact opposite actually. He is pretty confident about himself. He talks easily, flirts easily… You're not a price I want to win or a pride to have f**ked in bed. You have this thing that the others don't have. You're special, he says with the same calm and slight nervous tone. Phil looks straight before him as he blows some smoke. Special... He noticed this little thing in me, which I didn't know I had…

- You really noticed that small thing in me? Because, honestly, I'm everything but special. I can assure you, I demand and tell him with a point of shiness. Wow... I didn't think I would have sounded so shy all of a sudden...

- I told you. I love you. And you know those words don't come out of my mouth easily. Actually, I don't think I ever said them to someone before, he replies seriously and gently before taking a last blow and putting out his cigarette. I stare at him, not really knowing how to react. I mean, of course it does make me feel something. There's... There are those butterflies flying in my belly. My heart is racing and my cheeks feel a little warm... Maybe a little more than a little, actually. I know I feel something for him. I can't deny it… But there's still things in the way...

- Honestly, I'm discovering another man right now. Why don't you show this side of yours to people? Pride? Male ego? I demand him with a small confused tone, yet curious.

- I am who I am, he simply answers.

- Mmh... Well, I like this Phil better, I answer him as I crack a smile. Phil looks at me and his serious face turns into a smiling one again.

- So, would you go out one night? Or during a lunch break? He proposes to me, hope heard in his voice. Oh... Well... I know your days are long and I work at night too so it'll be short but... He tells me gently, reminding us of our busy lives. Right, there's not a lot of moments where we can meet… But do I want to meet him like this? I mean, yes, I want to but… Do I want to get in something like this? In an uncertain relationship where I'll fear he goes to see someone else to distract himself from me? Despite this side of him, he is still Phil in the end...

- If you do this to only get me in your bed... I whisper, interrupting him. I hope it's not a plan of his to get me in his bed... That'll be the worst thing he could do... Especially as being my friend first...

- I do this to win your heart. As cheesy as it sounded... Nothing more, he tells me seriously, staring into my eyes. Speechless, I stare at him as well. For once in my life, I just want to do right. Especially with you… For you… Because of you... But it's only if you want to, he responds sincerely to me, looking serious. It's actually a little disturbing. Phil has always had respect for everyone, including me. He always respected that I didn't want a one time thing… What changed?

- I don't know, I whisper, confused by the situation. It's not that I don't want to be with him nor that I don't like him. On the contrary. I love Phil. But... There's few things in the way...

- Because of my past with women? He asks me, sounding really confused that I won't accept. I'm certainly the only woman telling him "no". Especially after a few tries.

- Yes... And because of my insecure self. Look at you and look at me. You own an amazing bar, I work as a waitress with a crappy boss. You look cool and get well and easily along with people, I look like that discreet and shy girl who is nothing more than being awkward. And you're my best friend's brother. And there's the age gap, which is the least that bothers me, I tell him everything that I thought on why I don't say "yes" to him. I mean... I think he can understand where I'm coming from. I hope... I don't want to lose a friend, in a way, just because of that...

- You're perfect the way you are, MC. Nobody will take that thought out of my mind, he states seriously. I notice how his eyes are alternating from my own to my lips. They keep going up and down. He seems eager...

- Right... You said it, not me, I say with a disbelieving tone, yet a playful one while I giggle. A small smile comes on my face which keeps growing more and more. I'm not going to lie, but hearing him saying those words do something inside me.

- And I believe it, he says while nodding. He does... I stare at him for a moment, the two of us plunge into a deep silence. It's not awkward... It's intense, but not awkward. I'm just so not confident with myself. What if he is playing me? And what if he is not? Ugh… I should let go sometimes... Really... I could open doors I didn't even think I had the key of.

- Tomorrow. Meet me for lunch if you're free. We can start there to see how it goes, I propose to the man which, I notice, makes him smile instantly.

- Is it a date? He asks with a smirk. Well...

- I'm not sure... Maybe... We'll see, I reply unsure, yet, smirking back at him. Yes, I'm entering his game easily... Was it right? Though, we could hear this point of shyness in my voice.

- Will I get to finally kiss you? He then asks, slowly getting even more closer to me. Oh... I can feel my heart racing a little more, hearing it beat in my ears. He's making me so nervous… Kiss me… Is that all he wants?

- Phil... I whisper his name, annoyed, as I lightly title my head on the side.

- What? I showed you a part of me, doesn't mean the other one is gone, he answers with a not so innocent tone, still smirking at me. I keep staring at him a little annoyed despite the amused smile on my face. Alright, just lunch, he says, agreeing. I nod back positively. And a hug? He rapidly asks.

- A hug? I ask, surprised and confused. Phil winks at me. I can see he is waiting for an actual answer. Oh well... Sure. Whatever. I've got to go home. It's getting late, I agree before standing up from the stool. I didn't think but, when I stood up, my face got so close to his. At this moment, when my eyes met his, it was as if the time had stopped for a second. Slow motion. It was like I couldn't remember what reality looked like. I feel my cheeks starting to burn before I look down to hide my certainly blushing face from him. Why did I have to happen to have a crush on him? Why him? Why does he make me feel this way? I clear my throat quietly and start walking towards the door.

- Be careful on your way home. Tell me once you're there, he tells me as he follows me behind.

- I will, I reply. I was about to open the door when his hand grabbed the handle first. My fingers brushed his. I retrieve my hand and let him open the door for me. Still with my cheek lightly burning from previously, I manage to cross sight with his eyes and smile at him. Thanks for the night, the drink, holding me when I cried, and for listening to me, Phil, I thank him sincerely as I weakly nod to the man.

- You're very welcome, Gorgeous, he responds with his deep and calm voice while smiling back at him. That damn smile... Goodnight, MC, he wishes me softly.

- Goodnight, Phil, I wish him back. The two of us exchange one last look and smile before I walk out of his bar. I put my hands in my pockets and walk home.

I'm not sure what exactly happened there... I went to the bar to have a drink to relax and take my mind off and I ended up with Phil holding me when I broke down and accepting to have lunch together. Will it be a date? Will it actually go somewhere? Was he being serious? So many questions burning my mind... I will see how tomorrow goes. I'll have so much to do tomorrow, anyway... Mom is certainly going to call me for the funerals, my work is going to be tiring as always, and the lunch with Phil... I wonder what Jessy will say if she knew that her brother and I are going on a... Lunch? Date? Whatever it's called... Will she be okay with... What we're doing? Will she mind if I go out with her brother? Ugh, why do I already think of things like this? I'm not there yet... Anyway... I think I just need some sleep right now, nothing more. If I manage to actually fall asleep once I'll be home and in my bed… It promises to be a long night...

#duskwood #duskwood phil #duskwood jake #duskwood jessy #phil hawkins #duskwood richy #duskwood hannah #duskwood cleo #duskwood thomas #duskwood dan #duskwood fanfiction #duskwood app #iamjake #phil x mc #duskwood mc #multifandom #multifandomedit #edit #duskwood game

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acrystalbirdie · 4 years ago

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a separate post about emily gwen (creator of the 7-stripe inclusive lesbian flag) and her views on bi lesbians, because i don't want to derail a post for lesbians who find safety under her flag and want to support her monetarily/are looking for a place to buy lesbian pride items.

this isn't me saying to buy or not buy from her. this is meant to be an informative post. with that said, under the cut are screenshots of my past interactions with her when explaining my stance on bi lesbianism from the perspective of a nonbinary person. long post ahead

these are dated from july 2019, when i reached out anonymously to her on her curiouscat. her opinion might have changed since then, but i'm unsure of this. i acknowledge now that this may read as an attack bc i came to her with my opinion already made up, trying to convince her. these asks were prompted by some anti bi/pan lesbian tweets she made that day, but the context isn't necessary

[image ID: a screenshot of @diabolicdyke's curiouscat. an ask from july 22, 2019 features the following text.

you tweeted today about disliking the word "queer" for yourself and as a blanket term, and that's 100% valid! other people have a deep connection with the word - even with its original meaning of "weird" but that doesn't mean you have to like it or use it, and this gives no one the right to describe you using that word. as far as I've seen, you don't have a problem with others self identifying as queer as long as it doesn't apply to you. does this same logic not apply to the term "bi lesbian"?

self-identified queer people are not responsible for the violence that has been enacted among the LGBT+ community, because we are all seen as the same to bigots. this would be the same for anyone that would personally use the term bi lesbian. even if you don't get why people would call themselves queer or bi lesbians their removal does not suddenly make us "acceptable to cishet society."

in addition, you are supportive of he/him lesbians (justly!), but hearing a lesbian refer to her absent partner as "him" can also lead others to assume she is straight or receptive to men's advances. this contradicts the claim that bi lesbians are dangerous for implying male attraction, because they are not the only ones who do so, nor should they or he/him lesbians be blamed for causing lesbophobia.

finally, bisexuality isn't always restricted to the gender binary, and people who use that label aren't responsible for or deserve the binarism that results. if a person describes themselves as bisexual for liking women and nonblnary people, they aren't "asking" for male violence nor are they personally responsible for society's lack of awareness around women, women-leaning folk, and nonbinary people as a whole.

is this something we can civilly discuss? I'd like to hear your thoughts about this, but if this makes you uncomfortable or offends you there's no need to answer. thanks for reading, I know this was rather long 🧡💗

- Anonymous

the response from diabolicdyke reads:

This isn't something we can civilly discuss because 'bi lesbians' are both lesbophobic and biphobic and also don't exist. You like men? Keep the word lesbian out of your lesbophobic, selfish mouth. There have already been men harassing lesbians because they think they can be bi. You're making up a bullshit term that hurts people. If you're attracted to men but still have a preference for women? THAT'S STILL JUST BISEXUALITY.

/end ID.]

[image ID: a screenshot of diabolicdyke's curiouscat. an ask from july 22, 2019 features the following text.

you can be bisexual without liking men... there are more than two genders... nonbinary lesbians and he/him lesbians already exist and aren't responsible for 'inciting" male violence.

I'm not saying that sapphic people should treat women and woman-leaning folk as different. I'm saying that nonbinary people overall are not the same gender as women and this is a way the term bi lesbian can be used - bisexuality does not inherently mean male/female and it's not any sapphic's fault that men will be violent because that is victim blaming them for not doing enough to educate allies. this is like saying "you chose to call yourself queer, you brought this bigotry on yourself and you make all of us look bad"

I don't know how else to say this - it's binarist to assume bi lesbians like men. bi lesbians *do not like men.* there are more than two genders. bi people as a whole aren't to blame for forced heterosexual violence on either the gay or lesbian population. this sexuality is not inherently damaging.

- Anonymous

the response from diabolicdyke reads:

You're ignoring three things:

1- all the nonbinary people who say that what you're saying is bullshit (esepcially nonbinary lesbians)

2- the fact that most bisexual lesbians say they ARE attracted to men

3- the fact that the term bisexual lesbian has TERF origins

/end ID.]

[image ID: a screenshot of diabolicdyke's curiouscat. an ask from july 22, 2019 features the following text.

I'm nonbinary and there's a large part of nonbinary Twitter that agrees with me - bi lesbians aren't replacing nonbinary lesbians. however I can see this is getting us nowhere and there's no room for civil discussion, as you yourself stated. I genuinely hope you have a nice day

- Anonymous

the response from diabolicdyke reads:

Replacing? What are you talking about? Bisexual and lesbian are two separate terms, that's the end of that. Considering that the vast majority of lesbians think this whole thing is grossly lesbophobic, and you are ignoring that, I hope you have a crap day.

/end ID.]

i feel like my arguments are compelling, with the most important one being that self identification is not responsible for anti-LGBTQ+ violence. this places blame on the individual instead of looking at the actual perpetrators of lesbophobia. wlw should not be blamed for the actions of lesbophobic men.

i have roughly the same opinion now, two years later, with one exception: in the ask i specified that bi lesbians are not attracted to men. that was a mistake on my end to define an identity i didn't have myself. i also realize now that it doesn't matter if bi lesbians are attracted to men. these labels are for individuals to define their attraction however they like, and labels should not be "prescriptive," trying to encompass a single definition that must be adhered to.

i gave my opinion because i felt as a nonbinary person that my gender was encompassed under bisexuality/romanticism, and thus that it is possible to be bisexual without having attraction to men, by acknowledging nonbinary alignments as a separate attraction from women. this doesn't change that there are nonbinary lesbians who feel comfortable with being perceived as woman-aligned or non-men. i personally am just not one of them.

#shards of thought #long post #ok to rb #i say that i don't want to tell others whether or not to buy from her #but you can kinda tell how i feel from the screenshots

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whattodowithace · 4 years ago

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The Weight Of Lies (Byeongkwan)

Title: The Weight Of Lies

Pairing: Byeongkwan x Reader

Genre: Fluff; (In Ju's words) Spicy

Word Count: 3,043 Words

Writer: Whattodowithkpop [Lio]

Summary: Much like the adored story of Pinocchio, Byeongkwan has a tell for when he lies. After receiving an interesting gift from his aunt, whenever he lies, a peculiar anomaly occurs with this gift...

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Little, dark headed Byeongkwan runs through the house as soon as he sees the familiar car park in the driveway. This familiar car belonged to someone he hadn't seen in a long while, making his excitement go through the roof. He runs through the house, finding his parents in the kitchen where they sat enjoying each other's company. He uses his limited vocabulary and animated finger pointing and arm pulling to draw their attention to the driveway. The person he was waiting for had yet to hear the boy speak, making Byeongkwan that more anxious to showcase his development. His parents watch as the young boy fidgets at the door, waiting for the familiar figure to enter the home. The door creaks open, revealing a tall, slender figure, hair down to her waist and dressed to the nines. She looks down, seeing the boy with bright shinning eyes staring up at her with amusement.

"What do we have here?" The woman's low voice travels through the house, making Byeongkwan squeal.

He runs up to the tall figure, wrapping his arms around her legs as his bright eyes look up at her.

"I hear from a little birdie that someone has some things to say."

"It's me!" Byeongkwan giggles as the woman leans down, bringing him into a full hug.

"He has been waiting to see you since he spoke his first words." Byeongkwan's mom speaks up, stepping forward to hug the woman as the two laugh.

"I'm sorry to keep him waiting." The woman winks at Byeongkwan. "How are you doin' sis?"

"We're doing good." Byeongkwan's mom smiles as her husband comes up behind her, resting his hands on her shoulders.

There is a tug on the woman's clothing, a light doe eyed Byeongkwan catching her attention and looking up at her with anticipation.

"I promise I didn't forget." Byeongkwan's aunt leans down with a laugh, coming face to face with her nephew as she lays her purse on the ground.

Her fingers dig through its contents, offering Byeongkwan many facial expressions to make him laugh. She pulls out an orange box, handing it to the small boy who takes it with much gratitude. His eyes sparkle as he opens the box, pulling out the item that rested inside. The sterling silver twinkled in the florescent lights that brightened the room, the singular chain clasped together deeming it a bracelet.

"It doesn't much fit you now." His aunt explains as she takes the chain from his small hands, clipping it into a circle. "But when it does, it will be very useful to you."

At the time Byeongkwan didn't comprehend her words, nor did he get the chance to ask her for her full meaning. However, it felt natural for him to wear the bracelet once he got old enough. It still dangled on his wrist the first time he put it on for kindergarten, due to the lankiness of his still small wrists. This small setback didn't stop him from wearing it as much as possible.

His aunt had passed away a year after giving him the bracelet. She was a scientist, one that accomplished many things. Unfortunately, because of this, she was sought after by many people, good and bad. Her death records as an accident, the suspicious case undergoing no investigation left the family feeling uneasy about the true nature of her death. Byeongkwan doesn't remember much about his aunt, however he does remember loving and her visits. Even though he couldn't remember much about her, him wearing the bracelet made him feel close to her in some way. That's why he took special care to wear it always.

It was an eye catching gift, piquing the interest of many other students. One that was particularly interested in the silver chain was a little girl. She would stare at it as it dangled off Byeongkwan's wrist, her eyes shinning as they focused on the small piece of jewelry. She asked him many times to play with it, to which he agreed on the condition that it stayed on his wrist. She would intertwine their fingers, causing a mad blush to overtake Byeongkwan's cheeks. With their fingers intertwined, she would trace the delicate chain with her fingers as she admired it.

This became a common occurrence, her taking his hand in hers to play with the bracelet always ending in a blushing Byeongkwan. One of the many days of this common action, she had looked up from the bracelet, noticing his red ears.

"Are you blushing?" She had asked him, her head tilting as her hand kept a tight grip of his.

"No..." Byeongkwan whispered, his lips pouting out.

Without warning, his wrist feels heavier making him look down at it in wonder. As the two children look to his wrist they see a small little charm now attached to one of the chains. It was a yellow hat, rocking back in forth with the direction of the changing winds.

"When did you get this?" The little girl asked Byeongkwan, her eyes shinning even brighter, using the pad of her finger to flick the charm with care.

"I... I.. I didn't.."

"Is it because you said you weren't blushing when you actually were?" She teases with a small giggle.

"I was not!" Byeongkwan yells, his face turning a deeper shade of red.

Once again, his wrist felt heavier, the little girl squealing beside him as she lifts their hands, showing a red overalls charm.

"It was!"

"It was not!"

Another charm, one looking like a black top hat nestled between the two others.

"I think it's when you lie."

Byeongkwan looks to the bracelet in concern, feeling an uneasiness in his gut.

"Tell another one!" Her eyes sparkling, putting the stars on a clear night to shame.

Byeongkwan watched her excited eyes stare at his bracelet, want to give in to her wishes.

"I don't like you."

She looks up in shock, her bottom lip quivering, tears filling her eyes to the brim as her fingers slack against his. Byeongkwan feels immense guilt wash over him.

"No, no, I was lying." Byeongkwan tries to reason as he pulls his bracelet up, another charm in the shape of a black cat on it now.

Her tears stop as she watches all the charms dangle in front of her. She sniffles training her fingers across the charms.

"You really like me?"

"I do."

His face blushes again, laugh erupting from her at the sight, prompting her to hug him before intertwining their fingers again.

"I'll keep your aunt's magic bracelet a secret." She puts her finger to her lips, Byeongkwan nodding in agreement.

Years later and the two are still inseparable. Byeongkwan had done well in keeping his lies to a minimum, only acquiring a few more small charms to add to his collection. They had tested the bracelet in many aspects, including letting her wear it for a day as she tried her hand at some lies. It resulted in zero added charms, but she finally got to wear it for a short while before having to give it back to let it rest on its permanent home. They never could explain the science behind the bracelet, no matter how hard they tried. The secret behind it most likely passed on with its creator, leaving it a forever question mark in their lives.

As The pair grew they always appeared to be a couple, this was likely due to her unbreakable habit of intertwining her fingers with his any chance she got. Every new school year, the other students assumed they were together, neither gender wanting to intervene. Unfortunately, their final year of high school was Byeongkwan's biggest nightmare. The boys were beginning to notice her, her awkward stage far from over meaning many more boys were shooting their shot. Byeongkwan couldn't lie, he hated the extra attention she got. Not because he was jealous, but because he had a crush on her, so any competition for her affection he saw as a threat and therefore disliked them. She didn't accept many advances, unfortunately for Byeongkwan, there was the occasional suitor she would give a chance. However, she was often quick to drop them, much to the relief of Byeongkwan.

One day she enters their last class, a large grin adorning her face, directed towards him.

"Byeongkwan." She grabs his attention, sitting next to him and pulling her chair closer to him so she could whisper.

He hums as his head stays resting on his crossed arms, his eyes closed for a few moments before the teacher came to start class.

"You know the new quarterback?"

The mention of the new student caught his attention, His head lifting to meet her eyes.

"What about him?"

"He asked me out."

"You said no, right?"

"Why would I say no? Of course I said yes." She laughs.

Byeongkwan's heart drops as the aforementioned quarterback enters the classroom, his eyes training on her and offering her a wink and a smile. She waves at him and winks back, making Byeongkwan sick to his stomach.

"He's so handsome isn't he?"

"A real dreamboat." Byeongkwan mumbles, feeling a new weight added to his bracelet. He had forgot about the consequences of lying in that moment, hoping she didn't notice the lapse in behavior.

Class starts before they can discuss it more, all Byeongkwan could do was hope she wouldn't stick with him for too long.

Weeks passed, many weeks at that and the quarterback was still around. Of course Byeongkwan didn't like him for obvious reasons, but there was something more that irked him. This guy was very cocky and spoke bad about everyone that he knew. He treated her with little regard, calling her names, saying terrible things about her when she wasn't around. Byeongkwan wanted to punch him, but he knew he couldn't lie his way out of that fight or explanation.

He had butted into almost all of their time together, meaning Byeongkwan hadn't had the chance to tell her how horrible her, now deemed, boyfriend was. However, every time he made plans with her, the new boyfriend seemed to come along as well.

He was so thankful when she asked to study with him for their upcoming test. She had told him her boyfriend was busy so he couldn't study with them. Byeongkwan stayed quiet, knowing if he said anything he would be adding unnecessary charms to his arm.

They studied as if all was back the way it was. It was the first time since she started dating the star quarterback that Byeongkwan got to enjoy his time with his best friend. He hadn't seen her genuine laugh since her new relationship. It filled him with joy, but also despair as his thoughts clouded with the reason he hadn't heard it.

Byeongkwan decided to be cordial, asking how her boyfriend was, even though he didn't have an interest in how he was.

"He's busy with practice." She tells him, no change in her normal inflection.

"He's been busy with practice a lot lately." Byeongkwan comments, being as nonchalant as he could be about his ill feelings towards his busy schedule.

"I'm guessing he always is, even before transferring here."

"That sounds believable."

"You don't like him." She states more than asks, catching Byeongkwan by surprise.

"I never said that." A half truth to cover up the full truth in that Byeongkwan had a strong distaste for the man.

She stands, stepping closer to his already upright form, his back hitting his desk as he backs away from her approaching steps. He lays his wrist with the bracelet on the desk, hiding it from her knowing gaze. In the sudden movements, his glasses slide down the bridge of his nose, resting at the end as he watches her from over the frames.

"What do you not like about him?" She inquires, looking up at him with curiosity.

"He says things about you behind your back." Byeongkwan tells her, not wanting to keep that a secret.

"I'm not surprised." She shrugs, not seeming hurt by this information.

"Then why are you still with him?"

"Do you have someone better in mind?"

Byeongkwan wanted to die right there, the way her eyes were looking at him made his heart beat faster and his breathing go irregular. She was waiting for an answer and he only had one truth in his head and knew he couldn't admit that. The lie left his mouth without so much as a thought.

"No."

Her head tilts as he feels his wrist bare the weight of his new lie.

"Byeongkwan." She approaches him, her body mere inches from being completely flush with his. "Do you like me?"

Byeongkwan felt the room heat up, his skin feeling on fire as she awaited his answer. He gulps, feeling a heavy lump sit in his throat that sat there without so much as a movement.

"No."

Another charm added, Byeongkwan's hand becoming tired from the collection appearing on the silver chain.

"You have no attraction to me?"

He shakes his head, not trusting his voice.

"Use your words, BK." She uses his nickname, one she didn't use often, causing a strong inhale to come from his nose.

"No." His voice was shaky, as shaky as his arm holding the weight of his lies.

"You don't get nervous when I hold your hand?"

"Please don't make me answer these." He could feel his face burning as he tried his best to avoid her eyes.

"If you were telling the truth I wouldn't ask them."

"I am telling the truth." Another charm.

"Byeongkwan, I can tell when you're lying cause you are so terrible at it."

She reaches her hand out to his shoulder, his eyes squeeze shut as he braces for her next move. The shoulder her hand rests on begins to tingle, the feeling following her fingers as they trail down his arm at an excruciating slow pace. The heat in the room increasing to unbearable temperatures as her fingers reach his bare forearm.

"Can I see your bracelet?"

"Please don't make me." He pleads in words and deeds as he opens his eyes to convey his pleas that way.

"Why not?" She asks, her face twisting into sadness, a face much like the one from all those years ago when he told the lie of not liking her.

Byeongkwan wanted to avoid the truth, knowing it would expose all his lies. However this sad face of hers was something he couldn't bear to see.

"Because I can't." He breathes, his voice shaky and weak from the heat his body had experienced.

"Yes you can, I would never make you feel terrible about this."

"It's.. It's not that." He sighs, the weight he felt on his chest creating an unfamiliar anxious feeling, that paired along with his mind swirling with a million thoughts he felt he could pass out.

"My wrist is stuck from all the charms..."

"Byeongkwan, you could have told me the truth." She scolds him through her giggles, her fingers reaching his, an electric shock going through him at the contact.

Her fingers intertwine with his, like they had done so countless times before. However, this time, something felt different. Byeongkwan felt warmth throughout his body and fireworks in his stomach. He wasn't sure if these were pleasant feelings yet, but he wasn't going to stop her as she brought his wrist from behind his back.

The chain was full of charms now, various objects adorning Byeongkwan's wrist as she inspected it with care.

The pad of her finger traces the charms, them swaying even heavier against the friction. Her eyes trail upwards to their intertwined hands, her eyes darting to Byeongkwan's for a quick second before staring back at their hands.

"Our fingers have always intertwined perfectly." She notes.

Byeongkwan watches her, a blushing heat covering his whole body as she inspects him with great intent.

"I wish the bracelet worked on me."

She took a step closer to Byeongkwan, her chest meeting his as she looks deep into his eyes.

"That way I could say how much I adore you and want you to be mine. I could say it all without a single charm appearing on the chain. I could say that I love you and you could believe me without a doubt because my bracelet would show no deceit."

Byeongkwan's mouth hung open as she stared at him, waiting for his response. He believed her. All the words she spoke, each sentence felt like truth to him, he didn't need a bracelet to believe that. However, he couldn't get the words out to convey that to her, so he did the only thing he could think to do.

With his free hand he wraps it around her waist, still holding her hand like his life depended on it as he introduces theirs lip, his kiss passionate to pour years of feelings into the kiss. She made a small sound of surprise at the weight of the kiss, but kissed him back with as much passion as he was giving off. Her hand went to the nape of his neck, pushing his lips further into hers. Their oxygen was running out, however neither one seemed to care as they stay lip locked, trying to get enough air through their noses as they clung to each other.

She pulls away, her breath coming out in heavy puffs of air as her chest pushes against him with every breath out, his demeanor similar to hers. Their lips were still touching as he spoke his next words through his panting.

"I love you."

It was barley a whisper, but she heard it and when she looked down to his wrist to see if his bracelet would become heavier, her smile widened as she watched the bracelet stay the same, he spoke no false words.

She looks back at him, her eyes boring into his as love danced in them. They had a lot of kisses and touches to catch up on, so it comes to no surprise when they lean back in again to share another passionate kiss.

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#ace writers #a.c.e #a.c.e fanficiton #a.c.e imagine #tellafairytale #a.c.e x reader #a.c.e byeongkwan x reader #a.c.e byongkwan #ace #ace fanfiction #aceimagine #ace x reader #ace byeongkwan x reader #ace byeongkwan

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elliepage19 · 3 years ago

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The Raven Society/The Beginning Post

Looks like you found the beginning of my story! I hope you enjoy the ride as much as i will. I been working on my story for about 4 years now. I haven been off and on with it as i couldn't find the right platform and enough readers. plus writers block. HAHA! So with that i want to try and see if my story will do well on Tumblr. With that, please enjoy The Raven Society.

*Chapter one will be posted shortly*

-Ellie Page

Summery: "My name is Jeon Lee, Age seventeen. Likes... Does it matter, No one likes anything anymore? My dislikes are simple this place I'm living in, This town, This government and their sick minds. This is how it is now breaking into peoples homes, and stealing their money, food, and clothes in their closets. This is the future we have been waiting for. This corrupt government. That war everyone was afraid of, Everyone losing their loved ones. The worst thing that came out of this was The Raven Society."

Year 2055 is the worst year to ever exist. The Raven's have taken over the world by storm and now controlling , ruling in a dictatorship. Jeon Lee has been in hiding for 4 years after his parents and his older sister died by one of the Raven Soldiers. After a clean up in his city grabbing the young males and females to join Raven Academy, Jeon escapes out into the night. But something has changed in him mentally and physically. While saving a young boy with his younger siblings, a power awoken in him. With Raven's Army after him he got caught protecting the children, he was put into a deep sleep

A few days have past. Raven's Army had gathered more of their victims taking them to the Academy. Jeon meets a boy his age named Edward. Jeon sees something different with Edward. He had two symbols on his right forearm moving. Jeon had the same but they were completely different. Edward tells him about Raven system and how it works. They are met with a girl named Elizabeth who is just as scared as the other females. The females have the worst of it. They are the ones that produce the Ravens and create life.

The trucks and vans come to a complete stop as the Lieutenant Stephan wanted Jeon and Edward to come up to the front of the line and join him in his car. Stephan tells them that they are the special one that Raven needs alive. They are the power source to him. Raven can't loose them. Jeon has the ability to have Teleportation and Levitation. While Edward has the ability to have Telekinesis and Wind.

Jeon and Edward are met with their creator Raven Min with the academy behind him. Daneel a Raven soldier comes out and shows them around the academy and that they would be sharing another room with another boy named Xander who was just like them. Elizabeth is taken into Doctor Alas office to be checked on and set up for her first Giver shot. Raven gives the new comers their duties and what each other band means.

The Red bands means that you are a Raven, a solider for Raven. The fighters.

The Yellow bands are the Host/Giver. They give life and help with life. They are the most important people in the academy.

The Blue bands are the Historian/Doctors. They are here to take note and watch the sick and to make the Raven era not as bad as it seems.

Not everything is not what it seems, Edward notices Doctor Evans with a watch on his wrist that doesn't seem like a normal watch. An object that is not known in the world today. Jeon questions the doctor and Alas wants to be on the boys side telling Jeon that its a time traveling device that only works in Raven's reign. It freezes in a certain time in Raven's life that Alas can not see nor change. Its Jeon job to find out and escape with his friends out of the academy.

Will Jeon be able to escape out with his friends? Will he trust his friends or will they be on Raven side?

Find out in The Raven Society.

#writeblr #writing #orginal writing #dystopian #young adult #fantasy #book summary #amwriting

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alchemania · 4 years ago

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Good lord, I don't even know where to begin with this, but there's so many things wrong with this reply it's actually bewildering me.

"The characters don't exist and no real person is harmed."

That's a very presumptuous statement to say that nobody is harmed, given that people literally have triggers to fictional things, whether it be from bad experiences or otherwise. Maybe it doesn't harm YOU, but your experiences aren't universal and you don't get to put everybody into your box. That's not how it works.

Also, all your arguments about the genres normalizing incest just goes to show that you didn't pay attention to my post, nor any of the ones before it. I never, ever said that Kaeluc was incest; so you can go ahead and stop putting words in my mouth now. What I said was that DESPITE them not being related, they still saw each other as family. That is literally all I said. Stop twisting and misconstruing my words to fit your false narrative. Also, I never said that all those shows that you mentioned didn't normalize incest so I'm not really sure where you're pulling all these arguments from that have literally no weight? I haven't seen any of these other shows so they have absolutely no relevance to this discussion.

"Just admit you dislike the ship"-

I have. Many, many times. I absolutely despise this pairing and I have made it abundantly clear.

Also, again, since I never said it was incest I'm not sure why you felt the need to link all the screenshots of those people from Twitter arguing about the whole "sworn brother" thing? The fact still stands that Crepus took Kaeya in as his son and raised him, along with Diluc, as his own. Whether they're biologically related was never the point I was trying to make, it's the fact that they GREW UP TOGETHER. Also, what about all the Chinese people who DO have an issue with this pairing and have spoken out against it? You just ignoring how they feel or- like, you can't just pick and choose the evidence that supports your side. I already know that Kaeya and Diluc are not family biologically speaking, I have stated that many, many times. But again, just because people aren't biologically related doesn't automatically mean that they don't see each other as siblings and to try to push that is silly. Yeah you can call your best friend "like a sibling" but Kaeya and Diluc literally grew up in the same house, that's completely different from two best friends growing up in different households and then falling in love, so not sure what your point was there..??

"Would Genshin exist if the creators ignored Chinese censorship? No, it would not."

Except Honkai Impact, which came out before Genshin, has a canon wlw protagonist who wants to marry her friend Mei and has explicitly stated as such, and that game is doing juuuuust fine. LGBT+ rep does exist from MiHoYo so again, what is your point?

"They are not stupid, they are otakus."

An otaku is literally, by the dictionary, "somebody who is obsessed with computers or particular aspects of popular culture to the detriment of their social skills." You're not even using that word correctly, please ensure that you actually know what words mean before you use them in arguments, otherwise it only takes away the effectiveness.

"Pretending that everything must follow a Western standard"? Are you kidding me? I literally never said nor implied anything of the sort. Back off with your baseless accusations, you literally have been trying to shove words in my mouth for almost the whole of your argument. Just because I don't ship two dudes together doesn't make me homophobic, and sinophobia is "hatred or fear of China, its people, its diaspora, or its culture, none of these things applying to me, so again you are making an absolute fool of yourself throwing around these words like hot potatoes.

"There is no black or white, and there is no wrong or right."

With all due respect, which at this point, is none, stop talking. At this point you're literally bending over backwards now trying to say there is no such thing as morality and right and wrong, which is NOT true. Your argument is sloppy, attempts to twist my own and add points that have nothing to do with anything, accuse me of things that simply aren't true, and has a bunch of smokescreens that ultimately don't hold up. Also if there's no right and wrong then why even answer me? Why do you care? Your words and your actions are contradictory.

"You don't have to like or ship Kaeluc, but it isn't incest."

Never said it was, so again, a pointless statement.

Good day.

The fact that "kae//luc is a problematic ship" is somehow a controversial statement in this fandom gives me many emotions, happiness being none of them. I have never seen so many people invalidating adopted and stepsiblings to justify a pairing in my life and to say that I'm bewildered would be an understatement. It actually boggles my mind.

Said it before and I'll say it again, adopted siblings are still siblings, step-siblings are still siblings. They're still family. Good lord. . .

Kae//luc shippers/defenders don't interact with this post, I am not interested in hearing ANYTHING you may have to say on this matter. If this post makes you mad, block me or the anti tag; I don't really care if I'm stepping on any toes here.

#anti kaeluc #how about before you come at me you construct an actually solid argument? is that too much to ask?

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neon-junkie · 4 years ago

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TW // R*pe and abuse

It’s really sad that we’re having to come forward and EXPLAIN why we find comfort in fiction, specifically Micah. Nobody should have to 'expose' themselves, especially when it comes down to sensitive topics such as this. OP, I have so much admiration for you coming forward to talk about your experience, and it's a shame that you've been forced to come forward, just to prevent people attacking you for your coping mechanism. Korgi put it perfectly - nobody is a bad person for finding comfort in any part of fiction. Yes, I mean ANY part. This is a sensitive topic to debate, but considering it's been forced on the table in front of us, let's talk about it. I was reading something recently where a fic author was shamed for writing a lot of incest and r*pe in their fics. Of course, those are bad topics, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. However, they were forced to come forward and admit that they find comfort in writing these topics as they were a victim to these things. The author went into detail about how her father groomed her from an early age, and r*ped her throughout her childhood and teen years. She said how she struggled to find comfort through things such as therapy, but what helped her most was channelling her experience through fanfiction. If you're reading into those types of fics for pleasure, then you're obvious a sick fuck, but a lot of her followers were genuinely captivated and moved by her stories, and supported her before knowing that this is a coping mechanism for her. Things like therapy don't work for everyone, in fact, a lot of us don't want to go to therapy - I personally find therapy awful, talking to a stranger about my problems? no thank you. But you know what does work for me? writing fanfiction. And 'unfortunately' finding comfort in villains, specifically Micah. Now, if your reaction to this is 'oh my god, go and find a new coping mechanism' then please just shh. NOBODY gets to dictate how others cope, NOBODY gets to dictate what you can and cannot find comfort in, and NOBODY gets to dictate what you can and cannot post about. This is common sense, a basic fandom rule, that somehow people keep 'forgetting.'

I don't exactly know why I find comfort in Micah, I assume it's to do with being r*ped on two separate occasions in my early teenage years, or something to do with my abusive ex, both of which I have spoken about on this blog before. I'm trying to piece it together on the spot now... maybe I find comfort in Micah because he's awful, he's evil, and I've always wanted to be that 'saviour' who changes him. This is what happened with my abusive ex, he was a mess when I met him, and I began helping him onto a good path, but he then used my kindness as a weakness, and turned it against me, leading to a few years of abuse. And you know what? that's fine. Whatever. People are allowed to find comfort in the weirdest of things. We're allowed to enjoy fiction and bend it to fit our needs, we're allowed to channel and express ourselves through whatever outlets we choose; fiction is there to be enjoyed, it's there to be played with, moulded and bent, use it to fill whatever voids that need filling. But what's not fine is attacking ANYBODY based on their specific interests in fiction. There are certain characters and ships that I dislike, some of which trigger me, but I've done the right thing by blacklisting those tags, and blocking their content creators. I have created a safe environment for myself where I can enjoy my fandom space, and if people would like to join me, they are more than welcome to. If not, just block me, blacklist those tags, and move on. Again, the fandom is what you make it, and that goes for every single fandom out there. If you choose to keep surrounding yourself with content you hate, then you're gonna have a bad time. And you still have no right to attack anybody, nor make false claims, gaslight them, bend their posts, etc, to fit whatever empty void there is in your heart. We shouldn't have to come forward and explain why we find comfort in traumatic, chaotic, and evil things, but we do, and that helps us cope, so it's fine. If you don't like it: block, blacklist, move on.

TW for brief mentions of sexual assault and abuse

I’m kinda venting. I’m sorry. I doubt anyone will really see this tbh but I guess I need to get it out

I keep seeing these posts saying if you relate to Micah Bell you’re relating to his racism, his sexually predatory nature, and other terrible acts... Like you can’t relate to him or find comfort in him and still be a good person..

Honestly I think that’s just.. forgetting how when you’re mentally ill like myself you cling to someone even though they may not be the best person...

So I know none of you who are going to read this have ever met me but I sleep with many stuffed animals, collect things just because they’re cute, am terrified of many things including driving, cry at least once a day, spend my free time caring for animals, sing love songs in the shower, and am a loving and doting girlfriend to my amazing life partner.

I have also been sexually assaulted. I do no condone rape, obviously. I do not know what it’s like to experience racism and I never will, I am white. I also don’t condone racism and I don’t believe in reverse racism. I don’t feel comfortable speaking too much on the topic because it’s not my place, I’m not a person of color, but I am saying that I am someone that preaches equality and I don’t condone Micah’s racist actions even though I like him as a character. I don’t love everything he does. In fact, I hate almost all of the things he does.

But...I do relate to Micah in a way.. I was brought up by a strict male figure who was abusive. (It doesn’t explicitly state Micahs father was abusive but he was extremely hard on his kids and the way Micah talks about him in camp dialogue really implies.) Ive stayed up for days, for various reasons. I’ve sought male validation to such a degree that.. it’s sad... just like he does with Dutch. I used to push people away and be harsh so they wouldn’t get too close. At one point I was in such a bad place, I probably would have betrayed people close to me as well... I felt like it was just me...I too have a hard time relating to people and feeling like I fit in for one reason or another and I have been awful to people and used people in my life...

I’m better now.. I’m much better. Ive been messed up for a long time and I’ve gone through so much and I know I’m fucked up but damn can we just understand for a minute that.. being mentally ill CAN make you behave like a bad person, even though you’re really not on the inside...but maybe a character that is shitty has some qualities some people have related to and even overcome.. like me.

Please, I’m not trying to hurt anyone or be offensive at all. I don’t know why I started liking this character but now I’m hyper fixated on rdr2 and Micah has become a comfort character as much as I am embarrassed and ashamed to say... I just need something to bring me comfort rn, that’s what my brain chose.. it almost feels like it wasn’t even my choice, it just happened.

I really just...I don’t want to be labeled as a bad person. I spend most days of my life trying to make the very few people I have in my life happy. I love so strongly and care so deeply. So please if you come across my account, please don’t assume I’m a bad person...

#the tea #rape tw #abuse tw #assult tw #incest tw #non-con tw #tw for literally evrything

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