#no one will be more annoying that phannies and I’m proud of that

[lavender-phannie]

Phannie twitter and phannie tumblr vagueing abt each other ❤️❤️❤️ let’s kiss ❤️❤️❤️

[dramaphan]

Fuck it live reaction

•the little Dan pop ups while I wait for it to start are annoying but I did giggle at “not much longer before I ruin what’s left of my career by exposing what really goes on in my head” buddy what are you talking about

• the intro is… uh.

• oh we’re on the floor suddenly alright okay coolcoolcool

• oh my god

• actually fuck it I’m gonna do a count every time he tries to act single: 6

• god I hate that jacket

•Dan you’ve been out for two years genius

• oh fcuk alright is this the cry part

• commitment issues counter: 1

• I was gonna make a comment about the straight people shoutout but then he blew a kiss and it broke me STOP IT

• Dan it’s pride month can we lighten up a little

• so we’re in his brain and each door is a moment he didn’t feel proud okay we guessed this

• I have some fucking feelings about Dan always telling stories about himself and saying shit like “this will traumatize me but it might help you lol” like can we cut that the fuck out maybe

• “I’m just the subject of some sad charity advert” then leave

• door 1 door 1 door 1 fear I’m afraid fear fear

• oh fuck it’s him there he is!!! My favourite white boy!!!

• I hate the acting. All around hate it

• I’m not sure how I’m supposed to react to what’s happening right now

• Phil entered the brain through door 1 and exited through a different door is this going to be significant

• like should I be looking for symbolism in this thing

•a pop star what???

• we’re backstage on tour now. Which tour who knows

• why am I anxious

• who are theeeyyyy?????

• are these real phannies or paid actors

• the redhead telling Dan off yes queen get his ass

• through the help of Tumblr??? Which one of you is a tattletale

• oh man what fucked up thing has Dan tweeted lately that I can blame on this

• I’m in love with this redhead ma’am hand in marriage???

• this is kinda fun

• name them! Shame them!

• it was granny wasn’t it

• we’ve heard about this girl a couple times now I wonder if they still talk

• TEA NAOMI ASKING THE REAL QUESTIONS

• DO IT PUSSY DO IT PUSSY

• I love these guys I still can’t tell if they’re actual fans or not but fuck what a bunch

• oh

• oh???? Return of the dil head???? I didn’t think I’d be right about that

• new door pride parade outfit let’s goooo

• oh there’s an upstairs to this door go up there dan shh stop yapping go up the stairs

• this thing actually is way more Dan centric than I was expecting it to be

• where are we going now I wanted to go upstairs 😠

• sing break

• I’m skipping over the musical number sorry will

• I think I’m blacking out this whole conversation I just cannot pay attention can we go upstairs yet

• Dan looks like he’s gonna burst into tears dude are you good

• we’re really not gonna go upstairs are you kiDDING ME

• now we’re opening the door Phil left through time to find out if that meant something or if I’m a phannie freak

• couldn’t afford a llama we could see? That’s just floating eyes

• turns out I was a phannie freak

• last door lights weird fear

• now we’re going back in the tour door??

• we’re in. Hollywood.

• wait is Tyler Oakley the guy we like but want to stay away from nice

• realizing I have not laid eyes on Tyler in a long time who is this guy

• I’ve always really liked Dan and Tyler’s dynamic this is fun I’m having fun

• “it wasn’t a secret that I had a secret” is probably the best way to wrap all of that up in a neat little package

• “people see you liking a tweet from somebody and they think there must be something there” looking directly at you, phannies

• Dan came out a completely different door??? Am I the only one keeping track of the doors???

• final door final door fuck hell fuck

• oh fuck OFF

• fuck off fuck off fuck off

• thank god we left I’m not ready for that either

• oh the brain is gone we’re just on the floor now

• oh god there’s a ghost in the room

• “you’re a woman” “all the sensible people are” YES BITCH

• Dan’s fairy godmother is the smartest person in this video so far

• Dan… getting strapped by his fairy ghost. Alright

• aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

• I’m so uncomfortable with the aura coming off teenage Dan as played by grown up Dan this guy smells

• are we ending it here???? Please say something funny you can’t leave me with THAT

• looking for Phil owowowoowoOW

• THERE HE IS AGAIN!!!

• I’m nervous I’m shitting nervous shitting

• Phil sent him back through the llama door

• there’s a guitar and a baseball bat on the table when he’s talking about doing things he wants to do??? Carrie Underwood era???

• WRECK IT ROOM WRECK IT ROOM

• there’s something funny about him destroying things like the piano and the all black wardrobe as if we don’t know that he’s going to continue to make those things his personality

Alright it’s over final review: it was way better than I was expecting actually. Still wouldn’t consider it a “””Dan video””” but it’s at least content which is more than we’ve gotten in over 3 years so beggars can’t be choosers I guess. Not bad. Decent use of an hour of my time.

[huskyvoicedphil]

I'm sorry but you all are being so fucking ANNOYING. I see asks and posts about 'fetishizing dnp' everywhere and you know what? It's now a big deal because of you. It's been 2 years since i got into this fandom and i can safely say that i have never, not even once, seen something that only makes them sex objects and nothing else. I know some years ago shit happened, there were some lines that has been crossed, I know. But guess what? After that everyone fucking grew up, started to realize that there are things that can make dan and phil feel bad and uncomfortable, it stopped. After that, in my opinion, the most of the things this fandom did made them happy. They said for THOUSAND TIMES that they are happy how people create fanfictions, arts and stuff based on them. They said they appreciate the creativity.

So do you think you have a position to judge everyone when all dan and phil said was they are okay with it? Seriously?

After dan's video all you can do is to congratulate him, be happy and be proud of him, both of them that they now approved they were/are more than friends and soulmates. Everyone respects on their decision to keep personal things to themselves, no one in the fandom said otherwise and yet here you are, posting bullshit like "disgusting phannies...they made it all about phan..."

WE. ARE. NOT. JUST. MAKING. THIS. ABOUT. PHAN.

Everyone was so proud and happy and then you came out of nowhere like a fucking nightmare and everyone started using the 'fetishizing' word but you know what? I think you are just manipulative little babies who likes to create a chaos for no reason.

[adziedoodle]

Hey Adzie! What are your thoughts on people, such as ImAllexx, accusing the Phandom of essentially ruining Dan's life and preaching that we basically shouldn't knowledge their bond/potential relationship at all, if you don't mind sharing?

(just want to apologise for all the commas and dashes -  I honestly have no idea when the right time to use one is i just do it when my brain pauses in a sentence and it makes it easier for me to process what i’m saying when reading back ahaha)

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I don’t really want to watch a monetised discussion video to Dan’s coming out video tbh. From what I’ve seen others who have watched it and have saide about what it involves, it seems Alex is jumping on a misinformation and inexperienced-of-the-phandom-history train to voice an opinion and create more talk about and in a community that already has a bad public image from (understandably not so good) past behaviours of certain individuals/groups of individuals. 

Again, I doubt this was Alex’s intention, and I think without proper pieces to the puzzle, it’s easy to fill the gaps with your own opinions and speculations of the people involved. Heck I may be being a bit hyprocritical here for not .. watching the video but… err … overall, I mainly trust Nora’s @pseudophan​ judgement that she expressed in her reply tweets here because it’s my understanding she’s a fan of Alex’s videos usually and I feel like she’d be able to shape an opinion  regarding his content and new video better than I could :). I also agree with others who are adding to the points Nora gave (the majority seem to be saying this).

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Speaking outside of Alex’s video - There’s been this weird rise of people saying stuff along the lines of ‘DON’T FETISHISE DAN AND PHIL, STOP MAKING THIS ABOUT PHAN’ … and I just wanna add my two cents…

1) in regards to fetishising - I want to argue the majority of folks NOW aren’t sexualising dan/phil/their relationship - from what I’ve seen, solely on twitter mind you, it’s just folks reminiscing or being reminded of on old content that’s already public and applying a new context now that we know more about Dan, and from this, enjoying the idea of two, now out, queer people being happy together (in interactions or in a relationship) ☺♡ That can sadly still be a rarity in this world we live in, so it’s honestly just… heartwarming to see! People should be allowed to enjoy that!

I think I’ve mentioned this before already, but I speak for myself as a queer person when I say I’ve always resonated with both Dan, Phil, their experiences, and their seemingly growing harmonious, happy and safe relationship, even before I really knew I was queer myself, and now I have more knowledge about who they are and what that means to them themselves, it ultimately shines a more validating light over all of what they’ve done together and shared with us ♡ 

I believe if others like me wanna express that joyful reassurance (or any other feeling, or just general joy for dan and phil) in the form of a fan fic, fanart etc. - which dnp, even before they were out, have both expressed multiple times is OKAY, and even taken part in themselves both in TABINOF, their videos and TATINOF, and II. It’s simply a form of creativity, feeling and I honestly think D&P have expressed enough. They GET IT and it’s okay to do.

To reiterate, boundaries should be established and respected, but overall I believe the majority of people are happy for Dan (and Phil) and their relationship they have. If I haven’t impled already -  it’s empathy, it’s relatability, it’s forming a community and expressive art of all kinds in that community around those things. 

I’d also argue, there are those who wanna disrupt all that jazz, those who don’t feel the same way (not the ones who don’t mind/care like y’all chill but the ones who get angry at it all or feel the need to protect Dan and Phil from ??? it??), are usually the ones who ignored and denied this outcome of Dan (and/Phil) coming out / being together ever being a possibility in the first place. 

Yes, there is definitely an issue of folks sexualising online personas of real people, and it’s hard to tackle because it’s still so new in the grand scheme of things… and yes, fetishising queer people in general, outside of the phandom, is very much a thing …but I want to believe most of those/us involved in the phandom have grown from and past the evidence folks (like Alex) used which, from what I’ve seen people say, is dated.  I want to believe it’s different, we’re different now and from that… I want to believe one of the reasons Dan came out now is because he’s felt that change and difference too.

2) In regards to ‘phan’ - Dan made it clear in his video, his queer story, that Phil was a vital part of it. Phil was a vital part of his growth in feeling safe and happy and it’s likely without that, Dan wouldn’t be where/who he is today or out and proud like he is now.  The audience/phandom who’d I’d argue are of a majority queer/LGTBQIA+ which adds a whole over layer I’ve already expressed embracing and continuing to love this aspect of Dan’s life that/who happens to also be Phil, is not on the same level as someone being like ‘omgggg phan is real’ or ‘omggg my ship is canon!!’.  I feel like this is a very common misconception people have of the [demon] phannies/people who appeared to ‘ship’ D&P… in and outside the phandom.

I want to put forward also that generally speaking ‘phan’ is a term used to abbreviate ‘dan and phil’s relationship’, usually in romantic/sexual/whatever contexts, so in a way, yes, at the same time, TECHNICALLY, ‘phan’ is and has been real, but NOW, with new context (and for those who discovered/concluded this for themselves before Dan’s video), it’s not about shipping or our perception of what D&P’s relationship is, so ‘phan’ as a term isn’t necessary – and, really wasn’t ever but !! language is annoying.  – it’s about the reality of D&P and what their relationship is to each other. 

Personally speaking, I’ll say what I’ve said for the last few years when I moved away from ‘shipping’ them and seeing myself and my relationship in them/theirs… I just like seeing two people I care about, care about each other and be happy together. The layers of them being men expressing themselves openly with each other (and us), men who have experienced something ‘more than romantic’ together, queer/gay/out men who describe themselves as ‘soulmates’ is significant too. They’re going to mean something to people and honestly to just say that we’re ‘making it about ‘phan’’ as a ship, is not cool and a misunderstanding of what’s really happening. 

I think, if people want to use the term ‘phan’ for convenience (e.g. I use ‘phan’ as a tag just to categorise any content to do with dan and phil, it isn’t to do with their relationship aside from the fact that they do stuff together) instead of using the clunky ‘dan and phil’s relationship’ phrase like I have been doing throughout this reply - that’s like.. okay.. imo. It’s not ideal, sure, but, it communicates what you’re trying to say clearly! Again. Language is annoying, communication is hard when it is.

here are a few other cool tweets with points that I attempted to repeat but honestly don’t do justice so please read for more insight into all this (and if you’re gonna say anything, be nice to the OP’s pls #nicerinternet):  X , X, X, X , X this one isn’t entirely related but it made me cry so, X , X , X,

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I hope.. I worded this okay.. I may come back and edit it . anyone’s welcome to add what they think in response to anon’s original message! thank you for sending your message anon and allowing me a chance to get my rambly thoughts out!