#no madwheeler romantic chemistry i mean

[starsarefire824]

Heyy, I was the anon who asked you about Madwheeler in demons of change (if they are romantic or platonic).

I just read chapter 5 and omg I loved it? They are giving me Mark Sloan and Callie Torres friendship vibes I'm all for it because I love it!

I don't mind reading fanfics of Mike not being gay actually, my issue is that Mike and Max for me are the second wonder twins from the show since they act almost the same as each other so it feels that I'm seeing Will and El kissing (but that's just me I guess), but you were so good contextualizing their friendship in the first chapters in such a unique way that I don't associate that version with the canon version of the show at all! And that even made me remember my times when I had a friendship like this 🤭

Anyway, I'm loving it! I think I'll probably finish it today 😭

Ahhh damn!! Im so happy you are liking their relationship in demons! Yes!! It’s an AU, so I felt a certain freedom in Mike, Max’s, and Troy’s relationships because they’re removed from the canon plot.

And I see what you mean about Madwheeler feeling too similar, but I think that’s why I love them so much. I also just think the actors themselves have great/palpable chemistry and so in my mind that is easy to build off of when I’m writing! But that’s just me!

Oh hell yeah, i no longer partake in grey’s, but I definitely remember them from back in the day and loved them!!!

Anyways, Demons Madwheeler is special to me cause I just love how they confide in each other and how both are safe spaces for each other, especially Mike. He’s able to tell her things he doesn’t tell anyone else and I think that’s special and really necessary regarding his character in demons.

I can’t believe you’re gonna finish it today 😭

I hope you enjoy the rest of the story, dear Anon!

Oh, and if you want some more Madwheeler (it’s a very bi/very poly story) check out The Pact!

I am not sure it will be your cup of tea considering it’s more canon versions of themselves, but I def had a lot of fun writing them fighting each other and begrudgingly realizing they kinda also like each other.

Im hoping to jump back into it after demons is over! 🖤🖤

Thanks so much for the ask!

[tired-bisexual-brainrot]

rating stranger things ships because why not :)

(these are my own personal opinions, it’s cool if you think something else but pls don’t be rude or anything thank you)

(also this is rating not ranking tho i might make one wear i rank from favorite to least favorite)

byler: 10/10 no further questions your honor.

lumax: 10/10 i love them sm <33

elmax: 9/10 god i love them (btw i only docked a point bc by itself it’s not like my favorite ship, i’d go with lumax over it but yea i still adore them)

elumax: 10/10 top. fucking. tier. it doesn’t get better than this.

stancy: 2/10 they were a little cute in s1 but they would literally never work

jancy: 10/10 jancy my beloved <3

ronance: 9/10 what can i say they’re perfect for each other

jargyle: 8/10 stoner boyfriends, they’re cute

steddie: 6.5/10 it’s good, but not great. there was potential, but the shippers ruined it for me. and if they weren’t white y’all wouldn’t even bat an eye be serious.

m*leven: … moving on. jk they’re like a 1/10 no chemistry there at all, mike wheeler i know what you are.

madwheeler (platonic): 10/10 they’re best friends. i will always push the madwheeler bff agenda. they act like they hate each other but they’d literally die for one another I LOVE THEM! romantically tho NO that feels like you are asking me to ship willel romantically like they’re siblings they’re family madhweeler brother and sister wlw mlm hostility.

duzie: 10/10 who doesn’t love them? give us more duzie in s5 or else i’m gonna riot

jopper: 10/10 need i say more?

job/boyce (what’s their official ship name anyways?): 7/10 they were adorable you can’t lie. i mean jopper was always endgame for me but bob and joyce were so cute together they would’ve been great and as incredibly sad as bobs death was, i’m glad that we never had to see joyce break up with him bc that would’ve been painful

harringrove: 0/10 wtf.

stonathan: 5/10 i can see why people ship this, it’s not a bad ship tbh i’m just personally not a fan ig. you’re cool if you’re a stonathan truther tho, you keep doing you bro, keep being unproblematic thank you

stoncy: 5.5/10 i actually don’t hate this tbh, it’s cool ig, and the stoncys out there are so chill shout out to y’all for being unproblematic cuz you deserve that recognition

platonic with a capital P steve and robin: 10/10 i fucking love them sm there friendship is so important to me

murray x dmitri: 8/10 idk why but i find this ship both great and funny, let the russian and the conspiracy theorist uncles be together

murray x alexei: 8/10 as well they were definitely together tbh

[lumaxramblings-moved]

god i just saw a madwheeler edit and i wanna wash my eyes out with bleach

the problem was is that it was GOOD. like fuck off with that talent we don't love romantic madwheeler in this house

i mean i guess???? it's okay???? but like yes they have chemistry but lucas is right there??? did you really have to ship the attractive white boy with the attractive white girl was that really necessary

uffff that sucks. like, i tried reading a fic with romantic them once and it was... okay ig. it just didn't really click, yknow??

on the other hand i can sooort of see the appeal. rivals-to-begrudging-friends-to-lovers sort of thing yknow???

but yeah, lumax is superior

also kali and lucas get shit on a lot, which is. kinda. not very good. especially if they turn around and stan the abusive mullet-haired shit

[themikewheelers]

So..have you noticed how it's become sort of like a trend to call mileven "toxic". I know you've talked about this before but I've seen it so much since then. People jumping on the "bash mileven" wagon. Most of them are byler (not all) shippers, and they always end their argument w/ "Mike should be with Will!!" Even some freaking "madwheeler" shippers.. lol what?? Sorry for ranting but it's just been annoying me greatly.

I’m gonna be honest I don’t really like talking about this stuff because it makes me uncomfortable, so if ideally people could not send a bunch of asks in response to this that’d be great lol, but here’s just the main arguments I always see for why Mileven is toxic and why they make no sense 

1. “Eleven isn’t ready for a relationship after everything she’s been through.”

This one is absolutely a valid concern for their relationship. Mike and Eleven both are extremely traumatized, so of course that raises the question whether they’re both ready to handle a relationship. However, as of the canon show and what we’ve seen so far, there’s been nothing that shows or implies that their mental health is causing any problems in their relationship, or that their relationship is causing any problems for their mental health. Of course it’s a potential problem that could arise for them, but nothing that has happened in the show implies it and it’s not something that inherently will happen. There’s many mentally ill people in the world who feel like their illness limits their ability to hold a healthy relationship, but there’s also mentally ill people who are still capable of healthy relationships. For some mentally ill people, their relationships are actually really good for them and their health. Making generalizations that it’s impossible for either of them to handle a relationship after the things they’ve been through is not only false, but offensive to mentally ill people and trauma survivors. 

This argument also, in my experience, goes hand in hand with people infantilizing El. They treat her as a toddler who doesn’t have any emotional maturity after the lab. I will just say this, we know next to nothing about what happened to El in the lab. She had a very sheltered life and as a result has many gaps in knowledge, but she also had 12 years worth of experiences in there she matured through. We don’t know exactly what happened to her, but she wasn’t just staring at a wall sucking her thumb for years. She is a very mature person for her age and she is not a toddler just because she doesn’t have the education most people her age do. We don’t know what happened to El in the lab, and we can’t make assumptions about it to try and prove a point. 

2. “Jealousy makes for an unhealthily relationship”

Possessiveness is a sign of a toxic relationship. Excessive jealousy is a sign of a toxic relationship. Regular jealousy, however, is not. Every person on the planet gets jealous sometimes, in fact it’s a very healthy emotion in small doses, and at some point in every relationship jealousy will surface, whether small or large, because it is a natural unavoidable emotion. Eleven is a very insecure person, and after being separated from Mike for a year, she comes back to see him talking and laughing with another girl. I don’t think that kind of jealousy is a sign of a toxic relationship, I think that’s a pretty normal reaction from her and a lot of people would have felt the same. If that kind of jealousy became super prevalent or excessive or in any way became an influential part of their relationship, that would be toxic, but as of right now it’s nothing more than a one-time occurrence of a 13 year old girl feeling insecure as a normal reaction to her circumstances.  

Also, I would make the argument that Eleven’s jealousy over Max isn’t purely romantic jealousy over Mike, but I discussed that more here

3. “Their relationship is too intense/dramatic.”

Mike and Eleven’s relationship, at least from what we’ve seen so far, is 100% very intense and dramatic. But that’s not exactly a toxic thing because there’s context behind it. In almost every single interaction we’ve seen them have, they’ve been plunged into various life-or-death situations where everything is intense. When you’re in that kind of high-stress situation, all emotions become more intense. So yes, when you look at Mike and El, during all the times they’ve almost died or lost each other, they’ve been very dramatic about their feelings. Dramatic emotions for a dramatic situation. But if you look at the times they’ve interacted where there is no dangerous life-or-death situation going on, they really are not that intense. Look at the Snow Ball, that’s one of the only scenes we get where the kids are in a normal, casual situation, and in it Mike and El are acting just like any other relationship between 13 year olds.  Obviously if the two of them were all “I can’t lose you again” or “I never gave up on you” in a casual everyday basis, that would be weirdly intense, but there’s nothing unhealthy about acting emotional in an emotional situation. 

4. “They’re too clingy/attached/dependent and being separated caused Mike to go into a bad place”

This one kind of goes along with the last one, but it all comes down to the context. Yes, when Mike and El were separated it really messed them both up a lot, but I wouldn’t say that’s toxic because it makes sense for their situation. From El’s perspective, she’s been in total isolation for almost a year. She hasn’t been able to leave a small 2-room cabin in the woods for months, only interacting with one other person, who’s gone most days anyway. Of course it starts to drive her a little up the wall, and of course she’s going to miss her best friend. Then from Mike’s perspective, he thought El was dead. In fact, he thought he watched her die. Grief really messed him up in season 2. It didn’t help that he didn’t even know if she was actually dead or not, and that obscurity is what led to him doing stuff like calling out for her just in case she was alive. Mike was absolutely a mess in s2, but that wasn’t because El was gone, it was because he was in grief over the fact that she was presumed dead. Those are not the same things. If going into grief when someone you care about dies means you’re dependent on them, then sure, Mike is dependent on El. And honestly, I’d make the argument that Mike’s depression in season 2 was not solely a result of losing El. It was also a result of a lot of trauma, along with the stress of having to keep it a secret and therefore not being able to process it. 

Again, context is important. El didn’t just hop on a bus and go, “Bye Mike I’ll see you in a year!” She literally exploded in front of him, and then had to go into total isolation for months and months. If in future seasons when things return to a more casual and normal setting Mike and El are still super clingy and attached, then that would be a cause for concern, but them acting that way in the context of s2? 100% normal (and healthy)

Mike and El’s relationship, at least from what we’ve seen now, is not toxic. Maybe in the future it will become unhealthy, but there is the potential for that in all relationships on the planet. No relationship is 100% perfect and they all have the potential for problems because people themselves are not perfect, and everyone has their rough edges that can cause problems when trying to form a life with someone, there’s not such thing as two people being a “perfect fit.” But that is not the same thing as toxic. Nothing in Mike and El’s present relationship has shown that they are in anyway unhealthy or damaging to each other. Arguments like this do nothing but belittle actual toxic relationships. Posts about it really are nothing but parts of petty “ship wars” or people feeling threatened that a ship they dislike is popular, but there’s lines not to cross, and throwing around labels like that meaninglessly crosses them. 

But on a more positive note I’ll just say this. Mike and Eleven’s relationship has been built on three key factors: commitment, honesty, and loyalty. They’ve been shown to be completely supportive of one another and want nothing but to ensure the other’s safety and happiness. Beyond just having good chemistry, the two of them have demonstrated having a surprisingly healthy and mature relationship for their age through their dedication to one another. 

[maddy-ferguson]

Just saw that ask on madwheeler and for me, my main issue with shipping or not shipping it is that sometimes while watching interviews i get the vibe Finn has some sort of a crush on Sadie, so in order to keep that out of mind i keep it out of sight 🤷‍♀️

not the fadieism in my own inbox on a nice thursday afternoon...