#nilufer hatun

[dyingroses]

Magnificent Century + text posts and tweets

[ottomanladies]

Oh God Thank you, you see the show kurulus osman had the the character of eftendise in the show but many in the fandom said that she was fictional so I was worried. On another note in the show they also made her the mother of Suleyman Pasha. Is that that part fictional

So, Uluçay says that Süleyman Pasha was Nilüfe's son, and therefore Murad's elder full brother, but Peirce is not convinced:

Nilüfer is traditionally thought to have been the mother of two of Orhan’s sons, Süleyman and Murad, the latter of whom succeeded his father. Nilüfer was indeed Murad’s mother, as the inscription on the public soup kitchen he built for her in İznik (Nicea) testifies. However, it is possible, indeed likely, that she was not the mother of Süleyman, the most celebrated of Orhan’s sons during the sultan’s lifetime, until his untimely death through a fall from his horse. Nilüfer does not appear as a signatory to the endowment deed of 1324, and in fact she may not yet have joined Orhan’s family. The traditional date for Murad’s birth is ca. 1326, when Orhan already had three sons (including Süleyman), all at least in their late teens and old enough to act as legal witnesses; the age gap between Süleyman and Murad was considerable (a reliable guess is approximately twenty years). If Nilüfer was not the mother of Süleyman, we are then faced with the question of who was: a likely candidate is Efendi/Eftendize. (The Imperial Harem, pp. 34-35)

In the note she explains why Efendi/Eftendize could be Süleyman Pasha's mother:

This is the hypothesis of Kepecioğlu (Bursa Kütüğü, 10-11), who bases it on the fact it was common for Turkish families of this period to name their children after their (the children’s) grandparents; Süleyman had a daughter named Eftendize, as his younger brother Murad, son of Nilüfer, had a daughter named Nilüfer. (The Imperial Harem, p. 296, n. 24)

[dominadespina]

Gülçiçek Valide Hatun

One of the first enslaved imperial mothers to have a tomb dedicated to her; Gülçiçek Valide Hatun.

Same as her date of birth, her birth name is unknown though it is sometimes suggested to be Maria.

Though the year of her capture is not documented, nor how she ended up in the Ottoman imperial harem there is a legend about her person; that she was never a concubine but instead a wife of Murad I.

The tale goes as such...

Maria was the young noble Byzantine widow of Aclan Bey and the mother of Yakhsi Bey. She was captured in 1344 when Orhan Ghazi captured the principality of Karasi. After 15 years of widowhood, the troubled mother of Murad: Nilufer, who on her end suggested many suitors for her, all of whom she refused.

Eventually, Murad offered himself and she accepted, changing her name to Gülçiçek. - ( " The European Sultanas of The Ottoman Empire " by Anna Ivanova Buxton )

The tale seems highly improbable as the Ottoman rulers, do not have a strong history of marrying widows, especially ones who have been captured, and thus are considered slaves. However, it is possible, or that at least there is some truth to this tale.

When looking at her name origin Gülçiçek means "rose blossom" in Turkish, meaning she was of slave origin and a convert.

Sakaoglu makes the suggestion that perhaps these women are two different individuals, but Gulcicek herself entrusted her endowments under the care of her son; Yahsi, and as we know Murad has no son under this name.

It might be possible that Gulcicek married a man from Bursa after Murad's death and from this marriage a child was born though this has never confirmed or looked at more carefully by historians.

Gülçiçek became Valide Hatun in 1389, after her son ascended the throne upon the death of his father; Murad, sometime after the battle of Kosovo. She will served as Valide Hatun from 1389 to 1400, upon her death.

Not much is known about her relationship with her child; Bayezid. The only thing I found and noticed is that she is not mentioned as one of the attendees of Bayezid's wedding to Devletşah Hatun in 1381. Instead, his unnamed governess was in attendance. - ( " Bu Mulkun Sultanari " by Necdet Sakaoglu, pg 54, narrated passage by Ashikpasazade )

An interesting point about the mosque in which she was buried is located in a Greek neighborhood in Bursa called the " Night Quarter ". This also indicates her Greek origin, and that she was still related or saw herself as a Greek woman which is why she was buried in this quarter; which had yet to be Islamized at the time. - ( Bu Mülkün Kadın Sultanları by Necdet Sakaoglu )

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ŽENE NA OSMANSKOM DVORU (VI dio)

Piše: Saud Grabčanović Sve majke osmanskih sultana, njihova imena i porijeklo 1. Majka sultana Osmana I :  Halime Hatun ( Seldžučka turkinja ) 2. Majka sultana  Orhana :   Malhun Hatun ( Turkmenka ) 3. Majka sultana Murata I :  Nilufer Hatun ( Vizantinka Holofira-Olivera ) 4. Majka Bajazida I :  Đulčiček Hatun ( Bugarka Marija ) 5. Majka sultana Mehmeda I : Devlet Hatun ( Bugarka Olga ) 6. Majka…

[sevgilisultana]

𝙄𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙣𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙖𝙡 𝙌𝙪𝙚𝙚𝙣𝙨/𝙀𝙢𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙨𝙚𝙨 & 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙁𝙖𝙢𝙞𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙨 (1/?)

𝙃𝙖𝙨𝙚𝙠𝙞 𝙃𝙪̈𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙢 𝙎𝙪𝙡𝙩𝙖𝙣 (𝟭/𝟮)

𝗠𝗶𝗵𝗿𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗵 𝗦𝘂𝗹𝘁𝗮𝗻 (𝗱𝗮𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁𝗲𝗿)

𝗦𝘂𝗹𝘁𝗮𝗻 𝗦𝘂𝗹𝗲𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗜 (𝗵𝘂𝘀𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱)

𝗘𝘀𝗺𝗮 𝗛𝗮𝘁𝘂𝗻 (𝗹𝗼𝘆𝗮𝗹 𝘀𝗲𝗿𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁)

𝗦𝘂𝗺𝗯𝘂𝗹 ��𝗴𝗮 (𝗹𝗼𝘆𝗮𝗹 𝘀𝗲𝗿𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁)

𝗡𝗶𝗹𝘂𝗳𝗲𝗿 𝗛𝗮𝘁𝘂𝗻 (𝗹𝗼𝘆𝗮𝗹 𝘀𝗲𝗿𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁)

[awkward-sultana]

(Almost) Every Costume Per Episode + Nilüfer Hatun’s gold gown and white kaftan with gold detailing in 2x11,15

[annaboleyne]

my top ten ottoman imperial ladies (insp.)

[tanithadavenport]

𝑳𝑎𝑢𝑟𝑎 𝑶𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑖 ◆ my own interpretation

[audrxuy123]

Consorts of Orhan I / Nilufer Hatun, Asporca Hatun, and others

Here’s the post on Orhan’s wives. He actually had three Greek wives and one Turkish wife (just a fun fact)

Nilufer Hatun

Legend says, Nilufer Hatun was of Greek origin born to the Tekfur of Bilecik. She married Orhan after Osman raided Bilecik. Historians say she was probably of slave origin though because her name was Persian. She was the mother of Murad I, Suleyman Pasha, and maybe Kasim Bey.

Asporça Hatun

Asporça Hatun was probably a Greek noblewoman. She was the mother of three (maybe four) of Orhan‘s children. Her children were Ibrahim Bey, Serefullah Bey, Fatma Hatun, and maybe Selcuk Hatun.

Efendi Hatun

Efendi is known to be Orhan‘s wife because of a land document. She was the daughter of Osman I’s brother Gunduz Bey. Other people claim her to be the daughter of Mahmut Alp

Theodora Kantakuzenos

Theodora was the daughter of John VI Kantakuzenos. She never converted and she was the mother of Orhan‘s son Halil

[leylasultan1453]

SULTAN MURAT- EVVEL - NİZAM-İ ALEM

saltanate usmania ke teesre sultan, sultan murat gazi avval, jnhein khudavandgar (Allah ka banda) ke laqab se navaza gaya. aap 1362 - 89 tak saltanate usmania ke teesre sultan rahe. aapki paydaish 29 june 1326 ke din maujooda turkey ke shahar bursa me hui thi. orhan gazi aur nilufer hatun ke farzand the. sultan orhan gazi avval ne apna varis apne bade farzand sulayman pasha ko muqarrar kiya tha lekin 1357 isvi me shikar ke dauraan sulayman pasha intkal kar gaye, jinke baad chhote farzand murad ko sultan muqarrar kiya gaya.

[ottomanladies]

Hello, how are you, it’s me again!!

I’m sorry but I had to answer to your words

You says:

"I really have no idea where I said this because I looked for posts where I mentioned Theodora but I didn't find anything. This is what I said about her when I was asked to talk about Orhan's consorts"

I am absolutely not mistaken, you are the one who said that Theodora was Orhan's favorite wife, those are your words not mine. When someone asked you about the favorite consort of each consort, you clearly said Theodora for Orhan, I have the screenshot.

"I have no idea what this Mekce document is, I have never used it nor seen it. That Nilüfer was

"most likely" a concubine (words are important) is something that Peirce says in The Imperial Harem"

The mekce document is the "endowment" where Efendi and Melek are mentioned, Leslie and Feridun then deduced that they were Orhan's wives while nothing like that is certified in this document, quite the contrary. Leslie claims that Efendi is identified as Orhan's wife in a grant land, has anyone ever seen this grant land? No. So because Leslie said it, this is immediately true

"Again, I don't understand why you're thinking ** am the one who came up with the theory. I didn't.

I've never studied Orhan's family as it is not a subject I'm particularly interested in."

"All the claims about Efendi, Melek, Bayalun... | know nothing about this. I simply reported what I've found in books written by other people. Just take it up to them"

You post these things. You affirm things and post them making some people believe things that are absolutely not sure, when you post things on a subject that you do not master, you say nothing. You do not study Orhan's family but you post about him and his family? Things absolutely based on no source shown and on, you only use the sources of Leslie and Alderson to confirm such things when nothing is true? Or at least nothing like that has been confirmed. These historians having affirmed such things (without them being sure tho) doesn’t mean it’s right?

If you want to post things about Orhan's family, you should consider all possibilities and post them so that all theories are known to everyone.

There are books literally approved by Ottoman sultans where it is clearly stated that Nilüfer, Asporça and Theodora were Orhan’s only wives. Nilüfer is clearly stated as the daughter of the Yarhisar's tekfur and the first wife of Orhan, I suggest you the book "Kitab í çihannuna" Sultan Bayezid II himself approved this book or even "Camiud duvel" Sultan Murad III approved this book and asked for a copy.

Then out of all the books you found alderson’s book and immediately used it as a source and the way you didn’t even bothered reading ibn batuta’s book of travels before making assumptions about his visit to beylun hatun says a lot

Even if the historians you are quoting believe that aşikpaşazade isn’t a reliable source there are still uncountable ottoman hierarchy books that ottoman descendants themselves published. One of the latest source from Osmanoglu family is the book that Şehzade Orhan posts on his X acc.

Finally you weren’t forced to write about Orhan’s family and now that you were writing about him on a platform that you know many people will see and most ignorant ones will also believe in all that, you should have at least done a proper research instead of just using 2 historians who have already said numerous things that are completely false and aren’t even sure of what they are saying.

I'm not really familiar with the app, I could send you hundreds of books/ works of historians talking about Orhan's three wives and in which it is clearly, black on white stated that Nilüfer was noble and that besides Nilufer, Orhan had only two other wives. I also have the screen of Orhan Osmanoglu's post that I can send you when I figure out how to do it 😅

Sorry if I seem mean, have a nice day!!

I’m answering only because I realised there’s been a misunderstanding (maybe on my part). I think you’re referring to this ask

which I answered saying MY favourite consort of each sultan, not their favourite consort. I guess this caused a misunderstanding because you’re not the first person to talk about this ask iirc.

As for the rest, I’m not arguing with you about the historical research of a tumblr blog. I made this blog because I loved making historical gifsets and I used the books I had to gather material; of course there’s gonna be mistakes, there are mistakes in academic papers too.

If you want to correct my mistakes write your own post about Orhan’s family or publish an academic paper about it.

P.S. it’s kinda disrespectful how you talked about my work here, when you don’t know how much effort I put into this blog (from which i don’t earn anything btw, it was done for fun). I guess you have never made mistakes in your life.

[sahrahaber]

İznik Nilüfer Hatun İmareti Türk İslam Eserleri Müzesi açıldı https://sahrahaber.com/iznik-nilufer-hatun-imareti-turk-islam-eserleri-muzesi-acildi/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=tumblr

[sondakikadunyacom]

Kültür ve Turizm Bakanı Ersoy, Nilüfer Hatun imareti açılış törenlerine katıldı

Kültür ve Turizm Bakanı Ersoy, Nilüfer Hatun imareti açılış törenlerine katıldı

Kültür ve Turizm Bakanı Mehmet Nuri Ersoy, “Çok büyük bir memnuniyet vesilesidir ki son 18 yılda 55 yeni müzeyi ülkemize kazandırdık ve halihazırda 25 yeni müzenin uygulama ve proje çalışmalarını sürdürüyoruz.” dedi.

Nilüfer Hatun İmareti Türk İslam Eserleri Müzesi’nin açılışında konuşan Ersoy, müze ve ören yerlerinin hem milli kültür hem de medeniyet mirasının ziynetleri olduğunu söyledi.…

[awkward-sultana]

Magnificent Century Season 2 + Palace Servants & Royal Children

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Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) Sultan I. Murad'ın annesi Nilüfer Hatun'un anısına 1388 yılında inşa ettirilmiştir. İmaret olarak kullanılan yapı, yoksullar için her gün yemek dağıtı... - #Türkiye - #TatilYöreleri Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) http://www.turkcebilgi.org/tatil-yoreleri/turkiye/bursa-iznik-muzesi-nilufer-hatun-imareti-49902.html Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) nedir? Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) hakkında bilgi. Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) tanımı anlamı nedir?. Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) - nilüfer hatun imareti makalesi, haberleri Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) vikipedi. (Tatil Yöreleri - Türkiye)

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Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) Sultan I. Murad'ın annesi Nilüfer Hatun'un anısına 1388 yılında inşa ettirilmiştir. İmaret olarak kullanılan yapı, yoksullar için her gün yemek dağıtı... - #Türkiye - #TatilYöreleri Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) http://www.turkcebilgi.org/tatil-yoreleri/turkiye/bursa-iznik-muzesi-nilufer-hatun-imareti-49902.html Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) nedir? Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) hakkında bilgi. Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) tanımı anlamı nedir?. Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) - nilüfer hatun imareti makalesi, haberleri Bursa İznik Müzesi (Nilüfer Hatun İmareti) vikipedi. (Tatil Yöreleri - Türkiye)