#necroneos

[p5x-theories]

An interesting thought here....

Just what happens to the Phantom Idols when Wonder leaves the Metaverse? Do they just disappear? Do they stay in existence? If they disappear, would they still be around if somebody other than Wonder entered the Metaverse, believing they were still around? Do the Phantom Idols have any memories of their everyday life (the general facts, obvs not day to day up to date) or are they blank slates...?

Interesting questions I've asked myself

Yeah, they're definitely interesting questions, and we don't exactly have the answer! In fact, we don't even know if they exist the entire time that Wonder is in the Metaverse, or if it's only while they're on his active team, since you only ever see his active team outside of cutscenes (which instead have the story team). I've certainly wondered about this as well.

If we stay as close to canon evidence as humanly possible, Cattle only asks Wonder about the Phantom Idols after the first time Wonder uses one in combat, suggesting that Mont (and any other Phantom Idols the player may have acquired by that point) suddenly came into existence when they got into a fight. But the player can see their active team running behind them in Palaces, and of course active teammates will comment on chests, safe rooms, etc. as the player encounters them, so again at least his active team seems to be present at all times within the Palaces. But there's never any concern about how everyone will fit into the Cattle car, or generally get around, and they're never mentioned in any way in the collabs so far (Moko isn't even mentioned in the summer event when the fact that Tomoko doesn't know about the Metaverse briefly comes up).

Obviously, this is partially because the devs don't want to make some Phantom Idols more "canon" members of the team than others, or alienate any players that don't have a certain Idol yet (though I feel like Mont would be a safe one, since you're given her in the tutorial). But the above evidence, to me, seems most likely to suggest that Wonder may consciously or unconsciously be able to control when they're present, almost like a Persona? They are based on his cognition, after all. If they only exist when it makes sense- in fights, and as backup in Palaces- and not when it'd be inconvenient (i.e., driving around in a relatively small car), the most obvious answer seems to be that Wonder is directly the cause.

You could potentially also argue that Merope controls it, but I think that's an extra step removed from the most obvious, closest-to-canon explanation. Considering the player can power up teammates and change their active team via a menu on Wonder's phone, it's also possible that maybe he controls which Phantom Idols currently exist with his phone (perhaps similar to how the MetaNav still works in the Metaverse), though that raises the question of if he's also doing that with his Personas/the Velvet Room, as those are also available in the phone menu. So "Wonder's cognition controls them" seems like the most straightforward answer at the moment, but not a complete guarantee.

This would suggest that, in your "what happens to the Phantom Idols when Wonder leaves the Metaverse" question, they'd probably disappear if he doesn't need them? That may mean it'd be possible for him to keep them around if he needed them to do something, and evidently he can send them to help Marthym with things via the Marthym Tasks function, so that seems to have some evidence backing it up. The "if somebody other than Wonder entered the Metaverse, believing they were still around" part is a little less clear, and ultimately probably depends on which of my possible explanations in the last two paragraphs you like best, but at least if it's based on Wonder's cognition, then the answer's probably that it really just depends on if Wonder thinks they're still there. But I doubt we'll ever get a canon explanation for that part, since like I said, the devs seem to be avoiding making any Phantom Idols "canon" members of the team, and especially for a scene that might prove this part of the theory, it'd be extra weird if the Phantom Idol that appeared wasn't one the player actually had yet.

The "Do the Phantom Idols have any memories of their everyday life (the general facts, obvs not day to day up to date) or are they blank slates…?" is actually the hardest one to answer, I think. Logically if they're based on Wonder's cognition, they should only know whatever Wonder knows about them, and act based on what he knows about their personality. But in her explanation, Merope says that they can be based on people Wonder hasn't even met yet, and represent the full realization of their desires (or something along those lines), even if they never reach that point in the real world, or even already passed that point. Obviously this explanation is meant to cover how Wonder can have a Phantom Idol of a character who's not in the real world yet (ex. Fleuret, Sepia), and why the Idols reflect their desires even if Wonder never finishes their Confidant, and things like that, but it has really interesting implications for your question here.

At least to me, I take all that to mean that the Phantom Idols can be considered as true to how that character would be if they awakened a Personas as is possible without them literally awakening a Persona. Because Merope gives them these Persona II, and distinguishes them from a Persona, it can be assumed those aren't the Personas they'd awaken if they ever did enter the Metaverse and do so, but they're likely chosen to be as fitting as possible based on the cognition they're built from. And because their Metaverse outfits come straight from their desires, I think we can assume those would be the same, in a situation where that character were to properly awaken a Persona and gain a Metaverse outfit. Element type, team role, and weapons can be assumed to be the same as well, I think.

But in my mind, a change in the story/circumstances leading to that character properly awakening a Persona could potentially lead to things changing unexpectedly. If Wonder were to, for instance, take Tomoko into the Metaverse right after finishing her Confidant, show her around, and get into a situation where she has to awaken a Persona to save the day, I think she probably would look the same as Moko, with a similar theme to her Persona even if it's not literally Prosymna, and be a Psy/Superior teammate with the same weapons. But if the story changed enough- for instance, Tomoko getting involved in the main plot in a different way, maybe even before Kiuchi hurt her (or perhaps well afterward, maybe snooping around into what Motoha is doing every day)- it might also change what her will of rebellion/desires in general look like, which could lead to her manifesting a Persona, outfit, etc. in a different way. If that makes sense?

This is deep into my own theory, but basically, I think that the Phantom Idols represent how their current desires would manifest as an outfit and powers in the Metaverse, but if things changed enough to change their rebellion and desires (for instance, an alternate universe where they did join as a story teammate), I could imagine that giving them a different outfit and powers, to more accurately reflect the different desires and rebellion that led to the Persona awakening. It's sort of like how Akechi has two different Personas, outfits, and powers- they represent different parts of him, awakened into a Persona under different circumstances.

All that is a really long-winded way of saying, I have no idea what specific memories they have, haha, but I do think they're probably relatively rooted within their real-world self's experiences, and likely have at least enough semblance of their memories to act as a pretty truthful representation of a version of them that fully realized their desires. Since they're not quite the same as the person Wonder meets in reality- due to having a Persona II, and the fully-realized desires- a direct comparison is a bit trickier, but they're tied to the Sea of Souls, so I think they have to be within the realm of possibility for that person. Memories tend to inform how someone acts, so it's hard to imagine that the Phantom Idols could act so "correctly" accurate to the person they're based on without any memories, but at a certain point it kind of gets into stuff like the Chinese room thought experiment, and other stuff people ask about things like the concept of true artificial intelligence (not the stuff we have right now): are the Phantom Idols really thinking, understanding, and generally experiencing things exactly the way that the real person they're based on would, and that's how they act just like that person? Or are they essentially "programmed" (via the cognition they're built off of) to know exactly what response that person would have to a given situation, and just simulating an understanding by having the "correct" response for that person to each situation?

... Sorry, that got a little philosophical, heh! I'm admittedly not expecting this question to ever come up in canon, partially because of how complicated it could be to really answer, but also again the thing about no "canon" Phantom Idols. But it is something I find really interesting, and wonder about myself.

I'm inclined to guess, myself, that the Phantom Idols do probably have a general memory of their day-to-day life, and their history leading up to this point, but it's really impossible to say whether they truly "understand" it, or where those memories cut off (would they have specific memories up until the point in time when Merope made them? Would that mean they essentially have a "birthday" where they stop remembering things from the real self they're based on? If they're informed by Wonder's cognition, but sometimes based on the "future" (someone he hasn't met or finished the Confidant of yet), does that mean they know how their real-world interactions with Wonder will go before Wonder has had those interactions?) Heh, sorry, I'll stop! If you can't tell, I'm really interested in this stuff, so I think way too hard about it. Hopefully this post doesn't just read like I've descended into madness, and is actually interesting!

[randoimago]

Maruki with a reader who is shy, yet very affectionate and loving. Turns out they've suffered at the hand of emotional neglect in previous relationships. How does he approach this and overall (outside of the neglect part) what's the relationship like?

Fandom: Persona 5

Character(s): Maruki

Note(s): I did my best with writing this, hope you enjoy!

Maruki

He definitely notices your shyness and so he always gives you words of motivation in return. You're doing great, feel free to take things at your own pace, things like that.

Maruki figures there's some kind of cause for the shyness, but he wants you to gradually become more comfortable instead of pushing you to open up.

So when you both are together, he'll have his arm over the top of the couch as a subtle way to give you room to curl up next to him. Or when you're walking, his hand is always open by his side in case you want to slip your hands in his.

When you do open up to him about the neglect from your prior partner Maruki will make sure you know that he is here for you. Whatever pace you want to go at, if you'd prefer him go take more initiatives, just let him know and he'll be more than happy to help you grow more comfortable.

Taglist:

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[jojolovenotes]

@necroneos​

Willow,

Happy Valentine’s Day, my love! Oh, I’m so excited to celebrate this special day with you! Of course I’m always making heart eyes at you, but I’m going to be making extra heart eyes at you today while looking at you. I know you’re aware of how much I like you and how much I like giving you attention, but I think today is the perfect day for me to confess I’ve realized that I’ve fallen in love with you. Everything about you is just so lovable - the way you talk, your hair, your blue eyes. Every inch of you is perfect, and I want to kiss you all over if you’ll let me.

 Your height is something I love about you too, being shorter than I am just makes me want to protect you more. I am so happy and lucky that we met and have been able to grow closer over time and now finally even falling in love with each other. Most people go out having to search for love, but I’m happy that we found each other. I hope you’re alright with me loving you forever… Or, is that too forward to say on my first confession of love? Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself, but my heart is filled with so much passion and love for you. 

Love,

Melone 

[ungalobrando]

I remember when I first saw your blog I was all 'Wait, somebody likes him??'. But then I remembered Umi + Joshu and how I adore Kaito from YYH. And that went out the window lmao. The more I look at you two together, the more cute you guys get 😭. I liked that thing Berry wrote with the mistletoe and was laughing my ass off with reader going "YOU HUNG WEED FROM THE CEILING??? LMAAOOO" "IT'S MISTLETOE" "o.o"

Thank you very much. :3 Yeah, Berry is a blessing ;w; She's the main reason why I never gave up on my wonderful man

[dolce-tenebra-toscana]

@necroneos awwww that's so sweet 💜💜

Credit to itsbabychaos on TikTok

[dolce-tenebra-toscana]

*boops your nose* Send this to ten blogs you think are lovely and deserve a boop on the nose!!

Aaaaah you silly muffin 🌸🌸🩷 * boop your nose in response * and now prepare youself 👀👀

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@bruttomisandro

@rethinkavenue

@things-arent-what-they-seem66

@fanofstuff01

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@necroneos

@edonismo-melone

@bloogers-boogers

@inubaki

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🩷🩷🩷

[triphantoms]

Necroneos. I will form an alliance with you to catch Random. I simply need 3 dozen spoons.

Akechi, have you ever played Payday 2? I think you'd find it hilarious lmao. The silly physics and stupid weapon logic do hurt my head, but spoon go bonk.

I WILL GIVE YOU THE SPOONS. No, I haven't played that game.

- Akechi 🐦‍⬛

[findyourrp]

21+ F, seeking out Jojo's Bizarre Adventure rp. 21+ partners but I can also do 18+. I'm only taking female (this includes trans-female) partners, as I only feel comfortable rping with my own gender. I'm looking for somebody to do OC x canon (this includes self-inserts), as I'm not remotely interested in doing canon x canon nor do I have any experience. I typically do doubles, as I like for both parties to have fun. Atm, I'm looking for somebody to do a part 5 (Vento Aureo) rp with me, but I have OCs from parts 2 and 3 as well. I'll play characters from any part for your end, just give me a little bit of time to re-read/re-watch the respective part.

For plots I highly prefer romances. I'll do AUs, canon, or canon-divergent. I'm willing to dip my toes into yandere for your half if you're into that. Also I'll do NSFW (I really like me some NSFW) and rps with dead dove themes don't bother me.

I'm semi-literate to literate, the length of the reply can vary depending on what I have to work with and what I can think of as a response. I never one-line, however. I typically take ~30 minutes to reply for a double RP. I'm active just about every day, as I have lots of time on my hands.

I do rps on Discord, but if you're interested or have questions just shoot me a DM 👋

@necroneos

[dolce-tenebra-toscana]

@necroneos @edonismo-melone you would look amazing in this lovelies 💜💜

[randoimago]

I don't know if this counts but: patient!reader or former!patient (if you're uncomfortable with that, then normal reader) 'Trying and failing to hold back their tears as they do so' (prompt) after Maruki rejects their confession (tho i do love a happy ending like him realizing later that oops i do love them)

I apologize if it's too specific or anything

Fandom: Persona 5

Character(s): Maruki

Note(s): It's perfectly fine! I just hope you like what I wrote!

Maruki

A lot of him is still hurting from losing Rumi. He's put everything into his research to provide happy worlds for everyone. His own happiness is something he hasn't thought of in a long while.

So when you confess to him after a therapy session, well it makes him pause. He hesitates and that's enough for him to see you trying and failing to hold back their tears. Maruki can only give you a sympathetic smile and apology even though he just broke your heart.

He can't help but think of the heartbroken expression on your face as days pass. He just needs to succeed with his research and then you'll get the outcome you desire. Even if it's a shadow of him and not the real thing, you will be happy when he succeeds.

And he does succeed and there's a couple times that he just observes you being so happy with the fake version of himself that he starts to feel a longing, but he doesn't feel that he deserves that kind of happiness. He couldn't bare to know that you view him with those rose-tinted glasses while he has the knowledge that he broke your heart.

But his "dream" is taken from him by the phantom thieves and he realizes that he needs to just mourn and move on. He's afraid of actually talking to you and telling you the truth (at least the reason he rejected you) but he knows you deserve it.

Will do his best to be friends with you. And as he does, he finds himself falling and realizing that he feels the way that you did before. But now he's afraid of saying anything because what if you moved on? What if your feelings faded after his initial rejection?

But you were the brave one. You had confessed despite any "what if's" and he can't keep being a coward. So he tells you his feelings, is honest with being scared, but understanding if you only want friendship after everything.

He is very relieved that you still have feelings for him, he apologizes for being an idiot this whole time, but promises to make up for it and be the best boyfriend he can be.

[jojolovenotes]

I swear Berry, I have no clue how you can churn out so many love notes like a laser printer when you get a shit ton of asks everyday omg. I'd be so overwhelmed if I were you 😰 thank you for doing this (for free nonetheless!) for all of us!! I hope things are going all right over there with you

Haha! Oh gosh, well the motivation comes and goes ;w; But honestly I have a lot of fun writing these little love notes :P I do take breaks for a few days and things though... and I admit it can get overwhelming sometimes but that’s why I’ve learned to pace myself with these things! But of course!! I really enjoy it and I appreciate y’all interacting with me!! Thank you so much! Yeah I’m doing good! Took some days to myself, so now I’m back to working on things... Planning future f/o games and events! :) I hope you’re doing well too!

[ungalobrando]



Thank you so much for the tag @necroneos :3

First ship: Ummm probably Grovyle and Celebi from PMD2 LMAO

Three ships: I don't really ship anything besides my friends and their F/Os? :'3 Ok then. Scarlet and Funny Valentine (Still prefer Maggie tho tbh), Sarnesto (I never forgot) and uhh yeah. Grovyle and Celebi AND Dusknoir x'D

Last Song: Set it on Fire by Blood Cultures

Last Movie: I watched "Daniel isn't Real" with Berry x'D Gosh I'm simping for him.

Currently Reading: Nothing at the moment, but I always have my DBT workbook ready x'D

Currently Watching: Nothing either, I'm jumping around between TikTok, Youtube and old series I used to watch as a kid

Currently Craving: Always cake and chocolate. The pain never ends x'D

Currently Consuming: Mineral water x'D Good shit.

Lemme tag uhhh anyone who wants to do this x'D

[dolce-tenebra-toscana]

That's the most gruesome yet sweetest thing anyone ever tagged me to...

And that's why you are one of my besties 💜💜

You are the cantarella to my Lucrezia Borgia 💜💜💜

when you hug me do you feel the rot under my skin?

a sign that youre holding on to something that let go long ago.

i wonder if you catch glimpses of the maggots swimming behind my eyes

as you gaze upon me and describe what our life will be when everything is better

[necroneos]

1014 (Maruki) (UPDATED)

Alright everyone, I've done it! I've ripped all of Maruki's models and here I am presenting them to you!

What's inside the zip:

All of Maruki's model files in their native game format (.GMD)

.blend files of each of his models, retextured

All of his textures in the native .dds format the game uses and .png

Each model is separated into their own folder and clearly labeled so you know what model you're selecting. The folders each contain his .gmd, .blend, and all of his textures (.dds&.png)

Blender 3.6 and 4.1 that comes with the Persona 5 shaders included in the assets. If the GMD Blender plugin doesn't open Maruki's raw .gmd file (if you're playing with that) in 4.1, use 3.6, save it as a .blend, then open it in 4.1.

NOTE: These files are meant to be opened in Blender 4. I ran into an unforeseen bump while ripping Maruki and had to use 4 to fix a problem with posing. The feature i used is only in future versions, hence why he won't open properly in 3.6. I tried as hard as I could to port them to MMD but from the looks of it, his glasses make it impossible to do so. But please don't worry, MMD users! I am writing a tutorial with pictures to help you if you run into a problem (usually i find that it's the textures). I'll also cover any basics you need to know for playing with his model to fix stuff. And I'll dedicate a post to talking about Maruki's model since it's...special, in a way.

DOWNLOAD

P.S. I am by no means formally trained in Blender. The only answers I should be able to give you will have to do with Maruki's model :(. I still have lots to learn. But if ANYBODY wants to try successfully porting these models to MMD, be my guest. Just please credit me as the file provider ❤️

UPDATE:

I somehow managed to do the impossible and imported him into MMD. Quite the drop in quality, but imported nonetheless. I will add the models to the masterlist ❤️

RULES: 1. Do not redistribute on other sites. If you see these files on other sites posted by a user named NecroNeos or Neoia, that is me. 2. You have full permission to do whatever you wish to the model, I don't care. 3. If you wish to modify the models so they're improved upon, go ahead. If or when you post it up, just make sure to link back to me. I would prefer any improvements to the models that you decide to post to be posted on Deviantart (where these models are also posted under NecroNeos), but it's okay if it's on another site. Just make sure to leave credit in the description to these models. 4. Please leave credit. I wouldn't care if this was some other character, but Maruki here doesn't get enough love in the modeling community. And I wish for his model to be enjoyed by all and that people know about it!

[dolce-tenebra-toscana]

I have literally nothing to add, everything is absolutely canon 🩷🩷

Tagging: @razumairon @theclockworkkid @crazyyanderefangirlfan @necroneos @ilpiubelbruttomisandro @edonismo-melone @la-principessa-della-squadra @nyx-the-misthios @hellcifrogs and whoever wants to join in 🩷🩷

[triphantoms]

thanks necroneos for listing out all of akechis nicknames because 99% of those are mine lmaoo

— the nefarious nicknamer

I have too damn many. Pick one and stick with it.

- Akechi 🐦‍⬛