#nasty ned

[fromtheseventhhell]

Ignoring for a moment that this is complete fanfiction, can we talk about how incredibly disgusting it is to frame the Hound murdering Mycah as some flaw of Arya's just to make another character look better?

[ducktr0ducin]

does Launchpad ever get insecure about not being “the sharpest tool in the shed”, while his boyfriend is one of the greatest minds in the country?

He’s honestly quite fine with it! He’s well aware that he has his own strengths that he can live up to (like being a natural with engines, or even just reading people).

And also seeing the workload people put on Gyro’s plate purely because he’s smart makes him more sympathetic than anything.

[starryache]

I see u all licking euro boots

[agentsketchbook]

Painting, Ned doing a dirty interview, and a future look into the lives of our gang

[gbhbl]

Horror Movie Review: MaXXXine (2024)

Maxine Minx is set to become a star, but will her past catch up with her?

MaXXXine is a 2024 American horror film written, directed, produced, and edited by Ti West. It is the third installment in West’s X film series following X and Pearl (both 2022), serving as a direct sequel to the former. In 1985 Los Angeles, amidst the Night Stalker murders, Maxine Minx successfully auditions for the lead in a new horror film, The Puritan II. Despite all of her previous film…

[iamthescalesofjustice]

people writing asoiaf fluffy fix-fics where as a side note the bolton situation is fixed by ramsay dying and maybe betrothing sansa to domeric who is such a nice young man. lol. have fun. but yall do know who he was raised by right. he probably grew up with barbrey telling him that ned stark is just waiting for her and roose and maybe domeric to die so that he can call back the secret essosi branches of houses dustin and bolton bc shes completely certain the company of the rose and the wolf pack were both created at the order of the starks as part of a grand backup plan. im sure he is capable of acting a nice young man. but if he was presented with a potential betrothal to sansa one of his thoughts on the matter would be 'haha wow i guess the starks really are trying to subsume the land and legacy of my ancestors'.

[cherryheairt]

Hidden Truths

Cregan x Wife!reader

pt. 1

named reader (aye-leese) no description, from house Glover.

summary - Cregan comes home from war with a scandalous surprise, much to the horror of his wife. Though, it is not all that she expected when she heard of her husband's infidelity.

Inspired by Ned and Catelyn Stark (obviously lol)

It had been four moons since Cregan Stark returned from King's Landing, ending the war and placing Aegon iii on the Iron Throne. Four moons since he presented his bastard for all to see, declaring to his wife that they would raise the boy as a legitimized Stark.

Aelys Glover, now Stark, had never thought her husband would betray her in such a brutal way. To bed another woman down in the South, in a time of war, to father a bastard. To give the bastard his Stark name.

She hadn't even had her first babe yet, due to the young couple deciding to spend their first few years of marriage having each other all to themselves. Had it all been a lie from Cregan? A masterful deceit to make his mistress' son his heir? Perhaps he had regretted their marriage and chosen to disregard any of her future children, thinking her genetics undesirable. Whatever dull excuse he had, it would never be enough to balm her heart.

People whispered about which mother's son might be Cregan's heir apparent.

It was not yet decided, and would not be until years ahead when Aelys showed if she could bear him more sons or not. Until she did, Brandon Stark would be Cregan's unofficially heir as his eldest son.

Aelys had refused to share a bed with Cregan since the night he returned. She would not perform her marital duties anymore, not until she was either dead or he forced her, which she knew he at least had the honor to not. Aelys would give him no children of her own, spitefully intending to leave the Stark line to a bastard who would forever be known to the world as such.

She would make it clear that her husband's stupidity would end the Stark's honorable history streak. The babe would be legit, yes, but never trueborn. It was said that bastards were born nasty and cruel, and Aelys had not believed such rumors until she met the babe herself. Her spite grew in spite of her previous kind and understanding nature, driven to hate the babe without knowing him.

Even with the same House name as his father, the boy was nothing like him. He seemed to carry his mother's traits, instead, whoever she was. Dark black hair and even darker eyes to match, though the Northern pale skin Cregan carried had stayed through the genetic battle.

At least Cregan did not bring her home, too. If he had, Aelys would have thrown herself from The Wall in shame and disgrace. She would not be the other woman in her own marriage.

His words when he returned burned at her heart, even now the dust had not settled nor had the fire quelled.

"It was a one-time tryst, I swear this to you. A night of vulnerability, when it got rough in King's Landing." He said, voice strained and undereyes dark with the heavy weight of guilt and responsibility. She'd never felt such an intense urge to hit a man before.

His bastard sister, Sara Snow, a woman whom Aelys had grown to see as her own sister and close confidante, returned from King's Landing a month after her brother.

She looked even worse than her elder brother, who still could barely hold Aelys' eyes when she wordlessly passed him in the halls. She looked gaunt and exhausted, though she claimed that the journey back was tiring. Sighing, Aelys could only welcome her back into the Great Keep to catch up over all that she had missed. Apparently, Sara had stayed in the Riverlands for most of the moons Cregan had hosted in the Crownlands. She was housed by the Blackwoods, becoming fast friends with Alysanne Blackwood and Davos Blackwood, the fierce aunt and nephew who fought together against the Greens.

No useful information about the whore that Cregan had bedded that night, Aelys bitterly thought for a moment. Then, a wave of guilt and regret hit her. It was not Sara's fault for her brother's mistakes. She was truly glad to have the conpany back, seeing as Winterfell had felt cold and emptier now that Cregan was back than it ever had before. She had been avoiding his for these four moons, leaving only a few rooms accessible for her privacy and peace of mind.

She never entered the nursery room's entire hallway. Even when needing something past it, she chose to go the longest possible route to avoid it. She didn't wish to think about the boy more than she already did. She saw him during dinners, being presented to Cregan by his wet nurse before being put down to sleep for the night. Those mere glimpses were plenty to feed her anxious mind.

Today, the adjacent hall towards the Keep's hotsprings was closed. "A few cobblestone in the wall have cracked, m'Lady. You mustn't enter for one might accidentally fall on you." A young servant boy had informed her, thoroughly apologetic as she sighed and headed him. The nursery's hall was the only one that also held the door outside, lest she chose to go all the way around the outside of the keep in this blizzard.

The thought was tempting but childish. Steeling her courage up, Aelys had fixed herself to stride past the door. She could not help the subconscious glance inside, seeing the glimpse of curly black hair laying alone in his crib, but wide awake and almost flailing around in a fuss.

Looking around, Aelys was surprised to see not one attendant or wet nurse. From her experience with babes, they were rarely left alone unless they were sleeping. Even then, some mothers and nurses liked to hover to ensure its safety while unconscious. Aelys stepped into the dim room, finding that Brandon's attention immediately focused on her. He whined out, reaching out grabbing hands toward her. Grimacing, she reached into the crib to lift him up, holding him at a safe distance from her face.

Up close, she could reluctantly admit that the babe was cute. He was well-doted on in the Keep by all the maids and even visiting Lords. Though his parentage was questionable and whispered about, none actually had the courage to ask why the boy had been legitimized so quickly. Aelys guessed it had been the circumstances. Aegon, the new King, was young and suseptible to influence, so legitimizing a bastard like Brandon was done without question.

"What are you fussing on about, you spoiled thing?" She asked, though her tone was soft and gentle. Brandon smiled a gummy smile, face lifting as he reached out again for her. This time, she allowed him to rest on her shoulder as she supported him, gently rocking back and forth as she stood. The faster he was asleep, the faster she could leave without feeling like a monster.

She already had that feeling nagging at her mind too much. Hating a babe took a lot of energy. She knew it was wrongfully placed, but Brandon's very nature and sire had wronged her more. The physical reminder that his father had not loved her.

Soft snores filled the room as she hummed lowly, the vibrations and comforting sound putting the fussy tot to sleep quicker than she had anticipated. Gently placing him back in the cot, she hands gripped the wooden edges harshly, a sharp contrast to her previous touch. Was she betraying herself for not demanding that the babe be taken away? Warded with another great House until she finally had a son? No. Cregan would never allow it, even as Lady of the House she held no true power over the Warden.

Turning, Aelys was met with her husband in the doorway. Silent as a stalking wolf, he leaned against the doorway and looked upon his son and wife with pools of affection. There was a slight gloss to them as she looked closer that she opted to ignore. "Cregan." She greeted curtly, moving to slide past him and speak no more of her presence in the nursery.

"He has a way of melting one's heart, does he not?" He asked, tilting his chin to look down at her. A branch, left out and hanging by Cregan's strong arms. Too bad that she did not need it.

"He disgusts me." She said instead, shouldering past him and continuing back to her rooms. She changed her mind in the few minutes that she spent with the bastard Stark boy. She could stay here no longer, could not bear for her own husband to bring this embodied lie to live in the very home that she did. Wouldn't raise any children to be in their older brother's shadow.

Ignoring the hushed plea from Cregan, Aelys went straight to the Maester's tower. Maester Parek had been a helpful and understanding ear for Aelys to rant to when dealing with arisen problems, whether with her moon blood, achy bones from the cold, or questioning if any ravens had come from mysterious women. None had, as far as she had been told. That is, if Parek had been entirely truthful to his Lady.

Hurriedly knocking on the man's door, it was soon opened after a grunt of physical labor had been heard from the other side. The Maester had always complained about his bad knees and how they were made worse in the winters.

"Lady Stark?" He asked, shocked to see her at midday. It was a rarity, as she usually made her visits in the morning after she broke her fast.

"Maester." She greeted, shifting on her feet. "I need to send a letter, urgently."

"May I ask to whom?" He inquired, earning a solemn nod from the young Lady.

"I'm sorry, Parek. It is private."

"Of course, my Lady. The room is yours." He bowed and left the chambers to occupy himself while she busied herself as well. She immediately made for the small attached room in the tower, made into a raven nest hundreds of years ago. A few perched black birds squaked or raised her heads at the unfamiliar sight curiously, but they were well-trained and did not spook.

Bending over the crickity desk, she quickly drafted a messily-writen yet vague letter.

Father,

Some troubles have come up in Winterfell, and Cregan Stark has advised me to return to House Glover's protection while he deals with matters here. I will be returning swiftly, though the snow will hinder the horse a few days.

See you soon,

your dearest Aelys.

As soon as she finished, she hastily melted the powder blue wax and sealed the direwolf sigil onto the rolled paper. Tying the scroll to a raven's foot, Aelys sent it off. The bird would reach House Glover's Maester quickly, and in the meantime she would ready herself for departure.

As she was shoving clothes and pelts into various bags, the very ones that carried her belongings to Winterfell over two years ago, Aelys could not stop the hot, angry tears that fell to her cheeks. Wiping away at her face with scruffy sleeve fur, gifted to her by Cregan himself, Aelys felt the frustration and loneliness sting at her soul. The loneliness was a choice on her part, most would say. That she was dramatic and most Lords sired bastards. She should be grateful he did not bring the mother back, too, and house her in his home next to his Lady Wife. All whispers she heard from her ladies-in-waiting, whom she immediately dismissed from service upon hearing such impudent things.

She would not be subjected to the humiliation. She wanted love, and she once had it. Oh, she had it. Cregan treated her like a goddess walking amongst humans for the moons they spent together before his leave to King's Landing. If she could not have Cregan's loyalty or love, she would at least find a man who she did not have high expectations for. An older Lord, perhaps, one who just wanted a young and pretty woman to give him final heirs during his last years of life. Aelys would know her role, then, and would live contently knowing she did not love foolishly while expecting faithfulness in return.

First, this marriage had to be annuled. In Lord Glover's home, she could easily ask for such a thing. The marriage had been commsumated, but there were no witnesses and no babes to confirm this to outsiders. Aelys would simply have to claim that she and Lord Stark never once bedded before he left to find another woman, and then she'd be an unmarried Lady once more. A Glover, not a Stark.

She realized she'd been quite fastidious in her packing. Unlike her carriage ride to Winterfell, her luggage could not be carried easily on one horse. She picked only one of her bags, with the thickest dresses and warmest pelts she had, rushing out of the room while clipping a cloak over her shoulders. Dark blue in color, Aelys almost cursed at the thought that almost all of her wardrobe and fine things had been gifts from Cregan. Her pelts, gloves, and even the horse that she would take home.

Cobalt, she had named the steed, noticing how his pure black coat almost gleamed blue in certain lights. Cregan had a wide and cherishing smile on his face as he walked the young stallion out of the stables a few days after their wedding. They often took walks on trails in the Wolfswood together on horseback, just their muffled conversations filling the still air. She remembered every moment with her husband fondly before he tarnished everything. Now, she knew all of it to be a facade, just like any other Lord in Westeros might have done. At least other men had the decency to be nasty plain to your face, unlike the Stark.

Aelys sneaked into the armory to pick up a few extra things, knowing no one would occupy the room when the whether was so unfortunate.

Striding towards the stables with squinted eyes, Aelys shivered at the temperature change. Luckily, the journey would be quick, with only a few days to walk on horseback. Cobalt was a resilient horse built for such harsh weather, and she was a Northern woman through and through.

She attached the bag and waterskin to Cobalt's saddle after she tacked him up. His long and unruly made quivered in the breeze as the light blizzard raged on as it had been for two days now. It did not deter her. She attached her bow and quiver to the other side to keep weight even, knowing she'd have to hunt for herself during the journey.

Steadying herself on the saddle, Aelys glanced once more at Winterfell's Great Keep, where Cregan was surely in his study or councilroom. She squeezed Colbalt's side lightly to urge the percheron onwards, giving herself no room for second guessing her choices.

At the wall's gate, the two snow-covered men regarded her with weary looks. "My Lady, there is a blizzard—" Ron Frasel told her, ginger brow upturned in question.

"I have eyes, Ron. I will return soon, I have buisness in Winter Town." She said tiredly, not wanting to be interrupted by the men at such an important time. It would not be long before a maid reported her missing.

Ernest, the guard's most frequent partner, inquired gently. "Will you require any assistance, Lady Stark? I'm sure Lord Stark would feel more at ease knowing you are escorted."

"He is fine with me going on my own, it is a short ride." She said curtly, anxious for Cregan to find out about her plan.

Ernest nodded and gestured for the iron gate to be lifted. "Safe travels, my Lady." Before bowing his head politely.

As Aelys walked through the opened gate, she urged Cobalt to a faster trot to create quick distance between her and Winterfell before she set up camp.

Ron shared an uneasy look with Ernest as the woman passed. "Lord Stark has never allowed her out without a guard before." He whispered.

His friend nodded, eyes glancing between her fading figure in the snow and the Keep. "Perhaps we should go see Lord Stark himself, just to be safe."

Ron shivered. "If he finds out we let his wife go into the blizzard without him knowin', who knows what'd happen to us."

"Quickly, then." They were both skidding off towards the Keep with no time to waste.

[atopvisenyashill]

@ladystoneboobs YES that’s also something i think is important when discussing Catelyn’s behavior. She’s hostile enough to Jon/about Jon that it adds to Arya’s feelings of not being enough for family.

She doesn’t mean to do it, and Catelyn would be horrified and so ashamed if she realized just how much The Jon Of It All has harmed Arya’s self esteem. I’m not saying she’s an abusive wicked stepmother! I’m just saying like, that Tully Temper really gets away from her when it comes to Jon, and it has a negative effect on all of the Starklings! It is understandable but that doesn’t mean it’s excusable.

How is Cat to blame for Jon's treatment? She never mistreated him, she just ignored him. People act like she was abusive when she wasn't.

i’ve definitely shied away from using the word “abusive” because i think it’s too harsh. but catelyn is objectively hostile to jon, and that in fact counts as mistreatment.

it’s also very heavy implied that catelyn has stepped over the line about jon at several points, in private to robb (jon’s teenage brother!!) if not always to jon’s face-

She does mistreat him. She does drive him out of a home he has an equal right to her to feel safe in. Is she the only person to blame? No - it’s very important to note that Ned lets her do this.

And my whole point to all of this is that being hostile in any way to a bastard has historically only done more harm than good. Daeron accepts Brynden into his family and Brynden becomes fanatically loyal, still dwelling on his grief for Daeron a hundred years later. I know George has defended Catelyn here, but I think he’s more defending her very legitimate fear that people overlook rather than the concept of like, viciously hating a child who has done nothing to you personally. Because look at Catelyn’s reaction to Mya Stone-

She’s uncomfortable because Mya is nothing more than a normal girl with normal wants and a good head on her shoulders. If she dwells on the idea that a bastard is just like any other person, maybe that means her treatment of Jon wasn’t justified. But there’s so much going on, and she never gets any closure from Ned re: his feelings towards Jon’s mother, so she can’t dwell on it.

I think the hostility towards allowing Catelyn this error, this sin in her behavior, comes not from any real understanding of the dynamic the three of them - Ned, Catelyn, and Jon - are in but rather a knee jerk rationalization that women are somehow more saintly than men in their suffering. Catelyn must be without fault, and Jon’s suffering doesn’t matter. But that is a) just benevolent sexism, it’s letting women off the hook for making the wrong decisions b) projecting some shit i am NOT saying onto my argument as if I am some rabid Catelyn anti who thinks she’s Satan Incarnate when I’ve written several metas in defense of her and gotten nasty ass messages from people who actually do hate her and c) is a refusal to engage with one of the core themes of the series, which is that the entire concept of legitimacy is an inherently abusive dynamic and a form of patriarchal control.

Again - Jon shouldn’t have had to have lived in abject poverty or kept leashed in the dungeons in order for the way he was treated to be unfair. He is a child and he is failed by every adult around him, and that includes Catelyn.

[erinwantstowrite]

Hello!!!! Who is everyone dating in LoF (if they're dating anyone at all)?? :D

AHH good question!! I have a general idea for most characters, but for some I have plans :3

As for dating:

I honestly have no clue with Bruce, but that's just how it is all the time, isn't it?

Dick is dating Wally, because Birdflash for the win!! But he has dated Kori in the past, Babs, (and etc) and they're still good friends to this day :)

Jason I'm still debating on. I like him and Roy and I think it's a popular ship? I haven't looked too far into it. I also hear that Jay, Roy, AND Kori are a ship and that's so so so good

Tim and Kon are in their "will they won't they" where everyone else knows they're dating and they also know they're dating but they don't bring it up at all. Also might have a YJ polycule just for funsies, don't really know atp

I need to read more about Damian and Flatline (AKA Nika) but from what I've seen so far they are. ADORABLE. Like so freaking cute I can't stand it

Cass and Steph are also dating- if anyone is worried about a detail that was in a previous chapter that would make that WAY weird, I went back and edited that. My mistake, y'all, that's on me.

A lot of people asked about Lanky and Shoes and this is my formal announcement: Yes, they are in love!!

As for other characters, it's up in the air. It really depends on what I see everyone ask about the most (but final decision is left to me :3). If I see that people like a certain ship and it's good, I could go ahead and mention it in the background, etc.

And for Peter: Ned.

A lot of people have looked at me strange for this one, but I thought it would be fun to explore that dynamic. I know Ned isn't MJ, or Harry, or whatever other ship people like, but I think they're cute. Some people stopped reading because of it, but I don't want to go back on it... So I don't think I will. I understand where most come from, it's not their cup of tea, but others were just plain nasty and I had to delete their comments on the fic itself, tiktok, etc.

Right now, they're best friends!! Ned is definitely aware he has a crush and is ignoring it, but Peter has no idea. That's 'cause they're both younger in this fic and I think right now they have more important things to worry about than Love. It's more of a puppy crush thing right now, more subtext than plain text.

But later on in the story, it's going to be explored. I may or may not write them becoming a couple or putting a label on it, but it will be talked about. It really depends on where the story goes. But I am of the belief that romantic love isn't the only type of love that can be written about, and at the end of the day, LoF is about the various forms of love and grief.

I think a good way to term Peter is biromantic asexual? I'm not too sure about the terminology here, so take that with a grain of salt. I'm pretty sure bisexuality is on the ace spectrum? Like he's still 14 and he's got a lot of time to figure that out. In my head that's just how it is.

I hope to have a lot of representation in LoF! There's a lot to explore and being apart of the community, I know how important it is. And I hope I don't actually have to moderate my comments because of it, that would suck

[sugarprincessbitch]

Hi! I saw that you are open for solicitations, so…. How about yandere! Tyrion who is in love with Reader? She is just so sweet and kind, she doesn't understand much about politics, but she makes her effort. She is (unfortunately) engaged against her will to a nasty lord, what would Tyrion do? Headcannons, please

WARNING: Mentions of Yandere aspects, manipulation, death and killing

It was another boring day at court on the Red Keep, Tyrion had taken the place deceased Ned Stark had taken as the hand of the King...this king being his stupid nephew Joffrey. He was with the other advisors hearing Cersie ranting demands like always and dear Joffrey making additions to his mother's no senses.

Tyrion was like always, drowning in his cup of wine, trying to zone out his sister's annoying high pitch voice. He decided to observe the people in the room, he saw the same long and boring faces of the lords, but when he put his piercing gaze on Cersie direction...he saw a young maiden standing uncomfortable behind the Queen, he had never seen her before or never cared too much to notice. She peaked his attention...he had seen young noble maidens flocking around his sister, but the difference is how she didn't recoil while looking at his horrible face or his odd short limbs.

...

It is a matter well known that Tyrion is terrible at anything that matters the problems of the heart...we know from the books and the series, mostly the books, that he had troublesome relationships with women in his life. He tends to be naturally possessive and protective of the woman he holds affection for, so if he was a Yandere...he will be a dangerous one.

He can seem calm and collected on the exterior, but he is an animal waiting to snap, for something he is the son of Tywin Lannister. Tyrion will appeal to be passive aggressive to a possible threat for his darling affection, or even recurring to send men to kill them, but only if this person is a minor lord or a commoner.

Tyrion doesn't have to his advantage beauty or natural charm to attract his darling, but he has his cunning mind...that will help manipulating her. I think he will guilt trip her, using his disability at favour.

If his darling was not a noble lady, he will try to use his power and financial position to charm her, if the first doesn't work then he will threaten her with it. He may be a mockery in his family, but he still has the Lannister blood running from his veins and their money in his pockets.

But we will suppose that the darling is a noble lady of a not such an important house, then he will have complications at the time of having her in his grasp fully. Because there are norms on how a lady has to handle themselves and also a social expectation of courting and marriage, he will not only have to gain his darling affection but also the favour of her father.

It will be more troublesome if her darling is engaged with another Lord, this will send him to a furious pit and he will start to plan the downfall of the poor bastard that decided to get on his way.

Tyrion will probably try to coerce his darling father to change his mind and choose him as a possible bachelor, maybe he is a dwarf, but he comes from an important house and also he is currently in a very prestigious position, the hand of the king.

If this doesn't work (that I think it will probably go this way) he will convince his darling that he is better than an old hag, he will treat her kindly and with the utmost respect. Also, he will start courting his darling and showering her in costly jewelry and refined dresses.

When he finally has her on his grasp, convinced that he is the better suitor for her and not his future husband, he will fall upon his "enemy" with everything he has. Clearly, sending his men to kill silently that Old lord his darling was engaged with, claiming that it died from his frail and old age, natural causes.

The sudden death of his darling suitor and the pressure he will put not only financially but also using his position on the court so your lord father has no other option than to marry you to him.

Now, he finally has you for himself... And you know what they say, the preserverants win at the end.

[ratscapism]

i was just thinking that incest in asoiaf is much rarer / more unique than we tend to joke around about. i mean from the main cast

pov-characters:

jon : no incestuous relationship dany : was sexually abused by her brother arya : no incestuous relationships bran : no incestuous relationships ned : no incestuous relationships cat : no incestuous relationships sansa : no incestuous relationships theon : brief harassment with sister (noncon); possibly abused by uncle; no known incestuous relationships aeron : was sexually abused by brother asha : brief harassment with brother (voluntary); no incestuous relationships arianne : no incestuous relationships (extremely vague maybe implied attraction to uncle) davos : no incestuous relationships tyrion : no incestuous relationships; he was sexually abused by his father by proxy in this nasty "forced to have sex with" teenhood scene; his sister twisted his genital when he was a baby samwell : no incestuous relationships jaime : the famous twin incest cersei : the famous twin incest oreo : no incestuous relationships arys : no incestuous relationships quentyn : no incestuous relationships barristan : no incestuous relationships victarion : no incestuous relationships jon con : no incestuous relationships brienne : no incestuous relationships melisandre : no incestuous relationship

non-pov but relevant:

sandor : no incestuous relationships gendry : no incestuous relationships stannis : no incestuous relationships renly : no incestuous relationships robb : no incestuous relationships ygritte : no incestous relationships gilly : abuse survivor at the hand of her father robert : no incestuous relationships euron : sexually abused / raped his brothers varys : no incestuous relationships littlefinger : roleplays incestuous fantasies by pretending to be sansa stark's sexually abusive father pycelle : no incestuous relationships jorah : no incestuous relationships joffrey : in fact no incestuous relationships; very possibly sexually abused his brother but maybe terrorised him otherwise lancel : abused by / sex with older cousin cersei roose : no incestuous relationships bronn : no incestuous relationships aegon the maester : no incestuous relationships aegon the young griff : no incestuous relationships ramsay : weirdly enough, no incestuous relationships! mance : no incestuous relationships tormund : no incestuous relationships irri : no incestuous relationships jhiqui : no incestuous relationships drogo : no incestuous relationships pod : no incestuous relationships edmure : no incestuous relationships blackfish : no incestuous relationships lysa : no incestuous relationships; ymmv whether her doting/breastfeeding over robin constitutes csa sweetrobin : see above margaery : possibly had threesome arrangement with renly and loras; but maybe it's simply margaery/renly (cover) + renly/loras with no direct sexual interaction loras : possibly had threesome arrangement with margaery and renly; but maybe it's simply margaery/renly (cover) + renly/loras with no direct sexual interaction doran : no incestuous relationships oberyn : no known incestuous relationships (rumour about elia but imo mostly implied it's untrue) tywin : dynastic cousin marriage jeor mormont : no known incestuous relationships freys (general) : iirc in that sprawling multigenerational patriarchal mess there is one known serial sexual abuser (black frey) which statistically checks out

tell me if i forget important things (very possible)! but IN SUMMARY my opinion is that there is a very regular very normal amount of incest in asoiaf. most of it is, as you'd expect, in the context of familial abuse, which is common irl and common in asoiaf: you have a number of sexually abusive relatives and various constellations thereof. you have some dynastic intermarrying or cover-ups with people intermarrying "according to their station" and trying to keep their blood "good". you have here specifically the history of the now defeated / near extinguished targaryen dynasty which practiced this extensively as part of the background worldbuilding but since they are mostly dead and killed, we don't actually see much of it. you have some "extreme cases" like crasters extremely systematic sexual abuse in an isolated cultish place. and some unique constellations like consensual cersei/jaime twin incest which is special in asoiaf as it would be special irl.

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#protecting dany is also because of ned's reaction to the murders of rhaenys and aegon#who are highly relevant to jon because their murders were almost certainly a major reason lyanna made ned promise what he did#and ned found out recently robert is *still* justifying their deaths#so it's all one thing to him - the biggest thing he can't abide about robert and cannot allow#it's the reason he warns cersei instead of just letting robert kill her and the kids#it's one major reason that he dies. because of his absolute need to protect children#and his love of his family above all is another#(the biggest reason is littlefinger's scheming but that's not important right now)#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#valyrianscrolls#ned stark#robert baratheon#house stark#queue and me we're in this together now

"he was never unfaithful to robert, was he?" - jaime, acok

ha. ha ha ha. the irony of this line is incredible. what's so striking to me is how one dimensional the realm's understanding of eddard stark as an honourable man is - honour itself is an incredibly complicated and unattainable ideal in asoiaf and i think ned as the stereotypical emblem of it encompasses many of the reasons why. because whilst he absolutely does consider acting in a conventionally honourable way important, he always prioritises those he loves. he defended cat's actions as his own without a second thought when she arrested tyrion. his main priority in king's landing is to see his daughters safe, not to secure the succession. lyanna is the prime example: jon's existence is not the result of the lapse of honourable ned stark, it was honourable ned stark choosing his love for his sister over his duty to his king. that and his personal ethical belief that the political murder of a child is never morally acceptable.

no one in the realm has the insight into his personality we get in the first book. none of his children, vitally, understand that he would always prioritise their safety over any honourable scruples. all of the starklings question what their honourable father would think of their actions - killing in self-defence, marrying jeyne westerling, sleeping with ygritte to name a few examples - without recognising that ned's true first priority was always his family's safety.

in fact, he betrayed robert far more than he ever betrayed cat and he would have betrayed honour for his family's safety every time.

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Do you think that the reason Maester Lewin brings Jon and his wish for joinning the NW during the conversation in Catelyn II in GoT is because he thinks the same as Catelyn, that Jon is a threat to Robb and his future as Lord of Winterfell? I read a post and, although it did not suggest this idea, it put the maester's actions in another (bad) light. And not only he comented Jon wishes, but convinced Ned about allowing it.

It's a nasty situation. Luwin's the one who brings up Jon Snow at all in the conversation he was having with Catelyn and Ned - as someone had to, because Ned's talking about what's to be done with the kids when he's down south. And this is the exchange that ensues:

"Jon must go," she said now. "He and Robb are close," Ned said. "I had hoped …" "He cannot stay here," Catelyn said, cutting him off. "He is your son, not mine. I will not have him." Catelyn II, AGoT

Catelyn's not budging. And Luwin would have to be truly ignorant of history and politics not to understand why she'd be so insistent. It's the hard reality of the situation that by the unfair standards of the patriarchal, classist society these characters live in, Ned insisting that Jon Snow was raised in Winterfell was an insult to Catelyn.

It's horrible. A decent society wouldn't make that an insult. But it is the case in the books we're reading and it's meant to reflect poorly on the system.

So now there needs to be an answer to the question "What of Jon Snow?" Ned's not wrong that Jon Snow would be judged for his birth in the south. (Unknown to Catelyn or Maester Luwin, there are other compelling reasons why Ned can't take Jon south, but that's a good enough reason to start with.) But here Luwin knows something Ned does not:

"Another solution presents itself," he said, his voice quiet. "Your brother Benjen came to me about Jon a few days ago. It seems the boy aspires to take the black."

Benjen went to Luwin, not Ned (and I would not be surprised if Benjen deliberately started setting up this path with Luwin to soften the blow to deeply traumatised Ned). Luwin's the one who's had the initial discussion. And now, as Catelyn's internal narration points out, everything works itself out. Jon will still be with family, satisfying Ned. Jon has an avenue for honourable service and a measure of social advancement, satisfying Jon. And Jon's permanently out of succession for Winterfell, satisfying Catelyn. Not ideal by any means, but it's an arrangement that meets some bare bones conditions for everyone involved.

It is not a bad thing that Luwin proposed this. He's looking out for Jon too, as best he can with the unfair situation everyone's found themselves in.

[theyaremycrocsyoudonut]

Look at him.

LOOK at him.

LOOK AT HOW JEALOUS THE LITTLE ANKLE BITER IS. HE HAS GONE FERAL WITH PURE ENVY.

He can't stand the thought of Ian being with another dude, much less an old, rich one. So he just goes and jealously stares at them kdhfhskdhgdhs. And you know he was looking for an excuse to punch Ned. Had Ned not called Mickey Ian's boyfriend, he still would have gotten a nasty beatdown, just for some other completely bullshit excuse. I think about this a lot. It's like Svetlana said in the later seasons. "I don't say things, I do things.". And that very accurately describes s3 Mickey. He loves Ian but he can't tell him that. Because he hasn't accepted himself, because he's embarrassed, because of Terry and all that. But he can give a beatdown to guys Ian dates. He can kiss him secretly when they are robbing Ned's ex-wife. He can start making out with him right before his wedding as a last hurrah to save their relationship. He just can't talk it out.

[swagging-back-to]

there are just so many based posts in my fave tag

was trying to find out how many kills qualifies a scout for elite status and i---

2 BILLION.... yall eren has big dick energy from here to PLUTO for fucking reallll

[jeyneofpoole]

asoiaf tiktok simulator

‘theorist’ who rips everything they talk about from tumblr: do you guys know about this really niche theory i just thought of? ok think about this what if ned and ashara dayne fucked nasty in a rowboat and conceived a child and that child is HEAR ME OUT….. jon snow????

comments:

- omg how have i never thought of this 😳 genius!

- nah jon is a targaryen lmao

- guys r+l=j is literally canon in the show… george literally told them…

grainy edit of dany burning kings landing set to a taylor swift song

comments:

- IT WAS NECESSARY 🐉🐉🐉

- targs 🔛🔝!!!!!

- sansa does it betta (134 replies)

man over a shitty greenscreen image of 10 year old book ramsay art: if you’ve only watched the show you might be surprised to learn that ramsay was even worse in the books 😳😳😳

comments:

- totally deserved lmao i could never forgive reek for betraying the starks

- (something weird about castration)

- theon…. a stark 🐺 and a greyjoy 🦑….. his true family were the wolves……… a good man……..