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I can't believe we're being served a found family relationship moment- Nadja going feral to save THEIR FAMILIAR and literally keeping his secret, Guillermo's weak ass high af power finally working at its peak to save and help Nadja, Nandor dragging Collin Robinson who continuously being weaker and weaker the more interesting he becomes, and practically risking his life to transfer energy to Collin Robinson, and Collin Robinson essentially reviving Nandor, Lazlo just using science to try and help everyone. Like they would clearly just risk everything and do what they have to do FOR EACH OTHER.
#Dont even get me started on Guillermo saying he loves all of them#Guillermo having a nickname for each of them#And Guillermo saying he loves Nandor the most#nandor the relentless#nandor is still an idiot#nandor#guillermo my beloved#guillermo de la cruz#guillermo#harvey guillén (guillermo)#what we do in the shadows#wwdits#what we do in the shadows s5#wwdits nandor#wwdits s5#wwdits spoilers#lazlo wwdits#wwdits nadja#nadja of antipaxos#nandermo#nandermo is happening
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lmao after the Guide firmly rejected Nandor was anyone else like OK BRO GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM HER NOW after he KEPT TRYING TO TOUCH HER/INSINUATE TO THE BARON THEY WERE TOGETHER?? I felt that same energy from the club when my friend or some other girl is getting harassed by a guy she doesn't want rising up in me again like a phoenix lol SHE DOESN'T WANT YOUR ASS DUDE BACK IT THE FUCK UP
#wwdits#this is p unserious btw#im not trying to say nandor's actually a creep or predator or smth lol#just an idiot which we all know#but there was still something in me like NANDOR REALLY??#SHE HAS MADE IT CLEAR SHE IS -NOT- INTERESTED PLS STOP EMBARASSING YOURSELF#is he gonna wake up and realize he's projecting his obsession with guillermo soon or-#cause that's someone im p sure after everything will STILL want your stank ass lmao#literally tho he can stop now it's not super funny to have him harassing a female character#who has made it clear she doesn't like him like i don't see the haha funny there#nandor's 'love quest' has already ended in one woman's existence being erased like#PLEASE STOP#the vamily needs to have an intervention atp
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Why homophobes should really support queer media
I grew up in a conservative church circle and tried to "pray away the gay" for years and years without any success. But like all it took was one gay ghost and one pan vampire and all of a sudden I'm struggling with straight thoughts?
#Then again they still might not approve#and whatever these shows have done to me...#well it sure doesn't seem straight#also not sure that struggling is the right word either#so disregard all the text and just look at these two supernatural idiots?#brain so broken#ben willbond#the captain#bbc ghosts#kayvan novak#nandor the relentless#what we do in the shadows#wwdits
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tumblr was very effective in making me super fucking terrifying for the wwdits s5, and for what??????
#like it didn't even end shocking#no cliffhanger#to be completely honest i was a bit dissapointed#of course there was actually so many nandermo moments that made me smile like an idiot this season#which is fantastic#but still like i mean what#i like the last episode#but not the ending of it if you know what i mean#im curious to see how s6 will play out#it was actually a decently calm ending bit i think#i don't really know what to think anymore tbh#wwdits#wwdits s5#wwdits s5 spoilers#wwdits s5 ending#nandermo#guillermo de la cruz#nandor the relentless
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imo the season finale for wwdits is a bit underwhelming. but what i gotta hand it to them, is how we see nandor as a character. we always treat him like how the other characters treat him, an oblivious idiot (i mean, it's true lol but hear me out) who lost his touch as time went on. and in the episode finale, we completely got bamboozled and made us realize how we've underestimated him. like damn, he knows how guillermo's gonna react once he became a full blooded vampire. the fact that he was the only one who figured out about the van helsing DNA and drinking actual human blood is just WOW yknow? he still sucks at the love department tho.... unless?
#andre talks#wwdits#wwdits season 5#wwdits spoilers#wwdits fx#guillermo de la cruz#nandor x guillermo#nandor the relentless#im juyst flabbergasted with the last episode ngl#underwhleming cause the ending is basically season 3 ep 1 but with derek fkjghkfj#now we gotta wait for the sixth ep whenever that will be#which i am fine with#they can take their time#what we do in the shadows#what we do in the shadows season 5#i still want to see these two idiots fight to the death#like actually fight to the death#guillermo not giving him a chance to do whatever the fuck
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Y'all, I hate to say it, but no, Nandermo did not "go canon", in an "alternate universe" or through "implications" or otherwise. They were making fun of us. That was the point of all the little nudges and open questions that were quickly squashed. That was the point of the hypnosis ending. The point of that hypnosis was quite literally "Here, let's give the perfect fake wish-fulfillment ending to parts of our fanbase" (which is why there were three. They're fake. That's the point. The point is that they are supposed to be fantasies to appeal to people's hopes for the show).
Having Nandor and Guillermo as a classic sitcom couple set to a laugh track in a universe where none of the other characters exist was a jab at shippers who wanted Nandermo to be canon and cared more about that than the other characters or the premise of the show. They were making fun of "and they lived happily ever after" type fanwork. They were making fun of people who, in their eyes, ignored the irreverence and violence and black comedy of the show in order to make fluffy slash content. They were explicitly saying: "This is how we see you, and this is how we see what you want from this show, and we are telling you that it won't happen and we in fact have contempt for the very concept."
Why do you think they kept baiting the ship until the literal last lines of the show? They were making fun of us. They were saying "Ha! You still thought this would happen? After years of us saying it won't, to your face? Idiots." It's a comedy show, and they were making shippers the butt of the joke. They've been doing it for seasons now.
This is literally what Supernatural did back in the day. And nobody said that they made Destiel canon when they had an in-universe/alternate-universe stage play where the actors "explore Destiel". Fans back then recognized that it was a joke at their expense. That's what this is. Same as what happened in BBC Sherlock that one time, where in-universe conspiracy theorists said that Sherlock was in love with Moriarty (a ship the creators deliberately baited, mind you, same as they have here), specifically for the purpose of laughing at and making fun of that theory.
I'm so sorry, guys. I know you wanted to hope. I know you wanted to believe that the things the writers said at that con weren't true, but they were. I know because I wanted to hope too, even when I knew full well it wouldn't happen. They've been plain about how they feel about the ship for years. They saw it as a joke, one that drew in viewers, but was objectionable at its core. And they've followed through on that by baiting and jabbing up until the very end.
#WWDITS#WWDITS spoilers#Wwdits finale#Wwdits s6#Wwdits critical#Nandermo#At this point im glad to be done with this fucking show. Its been declining in quality for YEARS#Its treatment of women especially has been getting really bad#And the jokes have gone so stale#All things that they acknowledge with their characteristic ``lol that was the point`` attitude in the finale#I never ever ever want to watch a show just for the promise of a ship ever again. This has been a waste of my damn time#I wasnt even going to watch season six. I just wanted to know if they would actually go canon in the finale#And what do i get for my time and energy? Made fun of#Really living up to your name as The New Superwholock. Thanks WWDITS for a good first 3-4 years. I will treasure those
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The thing with this ending is that it is not much of an ending, this is why some storylines don't have a resolution, the big example being the one with the monster's wife, and this is because right now laszlo and colin are still looking for that head, there's just no documentary crew following them around to film this, and this can be applied to many other things. Like someone said in a post, they made the show in a way immortal, just like the vampires.
There's no conclusion to so many things because the lives of these vampires and their human is still going, and they're dealing with things we saw them dealing with even now that the cameras are away. They're still struggling with things we saw them struggle with, nandor probably with his depression, guillermo trying to find his place in the world, the guide wanting to fit in, nadja trying to learn more of the humans and getting another job, all these things are still going in their lives, just like one's own issues that don't get a resolution by the end of the year. And while I personally like this because it goes to show the message that the writers were trying to convey, which is that the vampires continue doing their shenanigans even when the cameras are off, at the same time I can see why some people don't like this, because we're used to getting a resolution, to getting closure, but this show did the opposite of that and I appreciate it, because I can't still see these idiots bickering about what we saw them bickering about in their living room throughout the seasons, which was the purpose of the ending.
This doesn't mean that guillermo, nor any other of the characters will not get their happy ending (whichever that is for you) eventually they will, we just won't be there to witness this. This is why nadja hypnotized the audience, to give us an ending, because there's no ending, this is the same reason why guillermo acts for the camera and acts like this is his good bye, but yet again, it's all an act, an ending for the cameras and the audience, but it's all fake, because their lives are still going.
There was not going to be emotional closure, because this is not a show, but a documentary allowing us see a glimpse of these vampire's lives and guillermo's life. And in like real life, one wouldn't resolve all emotional issues and what not in the span of two hours simply because a camera crew is leaving your house.
maybe one of these days guillermo will gain immortality by drinking some witches poison like someone mention and becomes a fucking powerful vampire killer, maybe laszlo and colin actually get to finish this bride, maybe nandor and guillermo actually get in some deep shit with the vampiric council for fucking, and maybe the guide and nadja do fuck too. we will never know if it happens, but we will know if it doesn't happen! (i personally choose to believe all this happens, but that's me!).
anyway! like I have been saying, it's ok not to like it, it's ok if you enjoyed it. just be respectful of everyone.
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A common complaint among sitcom viewers is how nothing ever changes/develops long-term. The function of the unchanging plot/characters is of course is for ease of casual viewing and so re-runs can air out of order without confusion. WWDITS has always loved playing with that problem, pointing out that there's a canon reason for their characters to remain stagnant: they are literally immortal and unchanging. They've said it explicitly multiple times, most notably imo in the s4 finale "nothing ever changes around here".
So I think it was a little spicy for tptb to give that nod to fans with the hypnosis moment. They said, okay, here's the “best possible ending”, see how out of place the idea of happiness and contentment is here? Canon is not the best possible universe, this isn't even the best possible narrative, these characters are circlejerking idiot disasters and they’ll never be good, well-adjusted people, even after the show is over. They even showed us that this very documentary is a reboot and everything is more of the same.
In the series finale, they cranked the "nothing ever changes" to 11 and had Guillermo, the only character capable of real change, freak out about it, only to show us that he won't change in the end either. This whole season he seemed to be over Nandor, the other vampires, and vampirism in general. But now he's brushing Nandor's hair again. He's calling him "Master". He's acting hopeful when Nandor says there’s reasons he’s happy they won’t have cameras on them all the time… Then his final speech about moving on is a fake-out. By doing that fake-out he joined the vampires by accepting that he'll be a silly little guy forever.
You could argue that the only real change on the whole show is that Nandor really truly considers Guillermo an equal now-- and I like how that leaves Nandermos an open door to write further development post-canon. Cool.
Otherwise, characters are dynamic enough to be interesting, but any development gets folded into the multitudes contained within each vampire without disturbing their Set of Most Salient Attributes. Nadja learned human psychology but still can't empathize. Colin Robinson was literally reborn and he's slightly more chummy with Laszlo for it, but doesn't remember being raised by him. Laszlo's new-to-us passion for science is a re-invigoration of an old pursuit (Cravensworth's monster). We've also seen him make the mistake of thinking Nadja needs protection no less than three times this season.
Tl;Dr It’s frustrating that WWDITS wants to have its cake and eat it too, but it’s meant to be frustrating like that. It’s not new. It’s not exclusive to a ship. I get being more than frustrated about it because it feels like the same ship treatment we’ve gotten from a million other shows, but it really does fit here, on the “even when something changes, no it doesn’t” show
what IS objectively horrible that I will complain about to no end is there was no Simon the Devious this season
#wwdits#wwdits finale#nandermo#wwdits spoilers#i do NOT want this to come off as dismissive of people's complaints
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Ive had a chance to chill and think and id like to add forget nandermo right. Ok the last season fucked EVERYONE over.
Tbh they couldve had Colin take a dump onscreen and itd have been less a fuck u to fans.
From least offensive to worst:
Only one who came out close to decent was Colin. But they left so many stupid threads. He beat the piss out of guillermo once just cuz i guess? He still doesnt remember Laszlo being his dad, and the one friend he thought he had resents him cuz his wife wants him.
Laszlo would be second least bad. He did have a really great emotional ep with his dad issues, and he and Colin working together was sweet. But Laszlo treated monster bad after being a good dad to colin. The end. The only two consistencies is he loves his wife and he can be a right idiot when feuding.
But im pretending rosemarys baby was the real end so he and Nadja both got pregnant and had their sons. Love it.
Id place Nandor here but the Guide thing was such fucking left field and they stuck with it til the end. Otherwise him enjoying pointless work and being hurt and running away is on track.
Then Guillermo. What a wasted god damned season. Is Jordan a vampire? Who knows. What did Miguel have to say on the ride home? Who knows. Literally nothing learned or gained here.
Sean got a really weird half storyline. I believe hes that big of a drunken lout. No gains here either.
Nadja had another season of being loud and obnoxious. Playing human was fun (incl ruining the banana phone joke) but the fails were cringey. Nadja is smart and capable, they havent given her much since the nightclub. The end. Also for no reason she has a lot of buckets and pillows (but again i did like the Rosemarys baby ending).
Then the Guide….no one got fucked over harder then the Guide.
She hasnt had a purpose since the Vampiric Council in 3. They made her full time and promptly Meg’d her character (meg from family guy who is treated like shit). Ok nightclub stuff was tolerable, esp being acab.
Then she becomes a nag trying to trick Nadja and make them let her in. Shes whiny and pathetic. Instead of talking to her one friend Guillermo she sets a trap.
By open of 6 shes barely found. Until Nandor decides right here and now he wants her bad. She wisely refuses and we never get an answer why the sleep hypnosis brought that idea on. She works for Jerry off screen and leaves the credits.
Shes fine in the revenge ep and fun when she tells Nandor to fuck off. Suddenly she doesnt even count as Guillermo’s friend (office party) and the last we see of her shes whiny and suddenly magafv. Thats basically the last line i think?! For her anyway.
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I love that WWDITS will throw out these random, wild things that clearly are extremely relevant to the plot and all the characters will just kind of ignore them because they're busy with some other dumb shit.
Like Nandor's whole "my home village is exactly the same as it was 750 years ago except that everyone there is a vampire". Like. WHAT?? There's clearly a huge story there but Nandor doesn't elaborate at all because he's too busy sulking about not feeling special enough when around other vampires.
And, possibly most notably: Colin Robinson saying that his mom was boring and "still is". Implying his mother is STILL ALIVE and over 150+ years old. And, for Colin Robinson to think someone is so painfully boring he can barely remember them bears noting by itself. But no one follows up on that statement because Lazlo is too busy trying to keep Colin from realizing he's going to die soon and no one else pays any attention to what Colin says.
What a group of perfect idiots. I adore them.
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Nandor is remarkably intelligent sometimes and no one talks about it because he’s usually a bumbling fool.
He’s incredibly hygienic and obsessed with cleanliness, traits that would have helped him and his soldiers live longer in a time without modern medicine, doctors, and running water.
He follows certain rules religiously, like the werewolf agreement, chain email instructions, warriors code, ect. As a means of saving peoples lives or preventing harm.
Picking the squeaky bone in a werewolf duel instead of a traditional weapon.
The first thing he did after the Sire escaped was host a press conference. He clearly understands that media control is crucial to maintaining power and leadership as well as preventing mass panic.
Out of all the conflicts to happen wether physical or mental, Nandor is almost always the one to suggest diplomacy rather than violence. It’s Nadja, Laszlo, and even Guillermo who pick the fights even though Nandor is the one who was a military general famous for pillaging.
Despite claiming that he thinks Colin’s death is a joke he still got up from his super slumber to see him, something he didn’t even do for the world wide vampiric council. He’s emotionally intelligent enough to understand that Colin’s death, real or not, is something he should show up for because he cares.
He and Guillermo play chess together on a regular basis.
Nandor makes terrible decisions all the time and his lack of knowledge on the modern world makes him come off as dumb, but he’s so observant especially with people. He understands how to control situations and others very well even if he’s an idiot. Every smart choice he’s ever made was informed by his ability to read the room. Nandor’s power isn’t in his muscles or fangs, it’s his ability to navigate social situations.
#I say this like he hasn’t failed every romantic relationship he’s ever had…#everyone calls him a stupid (me included) but he isn’t dumb he’s just uninformed#this is idiot Nandor erasure :)#nandor wwdits#what we do in the shadows#wwdits#nandermo#nandor the relentless#guillermo de la cruz#guillermo x nandor#vampire slayer#wwdits fx#nandor the idiot#Nandor
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I just rewatched episode 4 and I'm not going to lie, I'm scared of Sean's current character development.
So I know it's only the first time we've seen him this season, and we'll see him again for sure in episode 7, but after my rewatch, I really felt like I was watching a 6yo in a costume pretending to be an adult.
We all know Sean's a dumbass, right, but in this episode it's reached new heights...
So yes, it's not the first time he's acted immaturely (when he threw a tantrum in s3ep5 when no one would buy him his pillows, the fight he had with Franky in the bar in s5ep2, or simply the fact that he wanted to organize a parade with the justification of wanting to bring a hockey team back to Staten Island)
But in today's episode his stupidity was OFF THE CHART :
First he has been fired from his job but you know what, that can happen to anyone, no matter what their condition, so no big deal.
But then his memory problems are so bad that he :
-Doesn't remember he has worked at Kinko’s
-Doesn't know how to use an elevator (using the term "go-go" which sounds a bit childish instead of going up)
-Laszlo is forced to repeat simple orders to him so he won't forget :
Laszlo : "If I tell you to leave that office, then get out of the office. What do you do ?"
Sean : "Get out of the office."
Laszlo : "You got it."
And even his behavior like... doing the "Young Dumb and Full of-" joke during a JOB INTERVIEW
Or completely losing it after learning he's been fired and leaves in dramatic fashion, with ✨HIS✨ comfort toy train (given to him by his grandfather)
Sean : "I'm taking MY train, which my grandpa gave me. This place doesn't deserve me. I'm leaving."
We also see him playing with trains in the background (don't forget that he was the VP of the company at that moment) and installing a mini basketball hoop on his door.
The fact that he forgot to zipper up his fly TWICE, and can't even assemble a shelf.
In the end I don't care, all those scenes and details were funny, but the way Laszlo talked about him at the beginning of the episode was so contemptuous :
Colin : "Just hypnotize the guy so he forgets about the interview."
Laszlo : "I wish I could. He's almost brain-dead. He's hypnotized out. He's a proper idiot. Doesn't know his ass from his elbow. I mean, he really is stupid. But he's my friend. I can't let him down."
Sean : "Hey, elevator box don't go-go."
Laszlo : "You need to press one of the buttons, Sean."
HELLO LAZ ?! I mean you can shit on your bestie but I think it was way too much here lmao, full roast
Like, okay, your friend's a moron, but Laszlo even gives the impression that Sean has become a liability, and it's technically the vampire's fault that Sean is losing all his cognitive faculties.
As Laszlo pointed out, Sean is "brain dead" to the point where even hypnosis has become useless.
It's as if everyone takes pity on Sean now and tries to make him happy and obey his whims because "it's Seanieee-"
Even Nadja was tender with him in this episode (just like in the Roast episode)
We can also talk about the fact that Sean STILL sleeps in the garage, in the background after learning that he will get a job interview thanks to Laz and Colin, he's getting excited and said :
Sean : "She's got to let me back in the big bed !"
referring to his wife, bro you're telling me it's been since s5ep2 you got your bed privilege revoked 😭
I'm probably over-analyzing this, but I'm sincerely afraid of how it might turn out, especially since it means that seanzlo won't be able to be consensual anymore (since Sean will have lost too many mental faculties and Laszlo will feel like he's abusing his friend)
Idk man, the way Laszlo (and Sean gleefully) insists they're best friends... I'm not feeling it AT ALL..
I think there's a clear distinction between acting stupidly, being a himbo yk (Nandor) and outright regression, and I think Sean has crossed the line with this episode.
It's true that Laszlo and Sean are ✨besties 4ver✨ but like, whenever Sean has the slightest problem, he runs to Laz, like a kid would to a parent for help or comfort.
I HATE IT HERE, NUH UH-
Remember guys, Sean has serious daddy issues, please don't let the show go in that direction of Laszlo becoming Sean's caretaker.
#I'M SCARED FOR MY SHIP OKAY#wwdits sean#sean rinaldi#wwdits laszlo#laszlo cravensworth#seanzlo#laszlo x sean#wwdits s6#wwdits spoilers#wwdits analysis#kinda#kztpost
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for a show that claims to be diverse wwdits has gotten really fucking weird about poc and women in the last few seasons ngl. theres famously the whole marwa debacle, which most people seem to have forgotten, including the show itself, where nandor essentially trapped marwa, a woman of color, into the body and consciousness of some white guy AFTER spending a whole season shaping her into his "ideal woman" without her consent, wiping her free will, and turning her into a fucking puppet, and then we all moved on and forgot about that??? and then theres the fact that the one black character on the show is treated as simply a plot device and also an idiot before being killed at the end of the season and then brought back and shunted into a basement. and then theres the fact that guillermo, the one poc living in the house, has been working for no wages the entirety of the show while striving to gain the status of vampire to be on equal footing with the others, finally gained this status before realizing he didn't actually want it and returning to his former state to continue working for no wages. the djinn, a brown man, has been stuck in a lamp being carried around by nandor for the last seasons, and his ONLY role has been to grant nandor's wishes. they literally brought him back for 30 seconds in the finale to remind us that hes still in the fucking lamp. theres the fact that even though all the vampires are queer, nadja is the only one who hasnt had gay sex in the time we've known her. like... all this feels iffy at best
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Alright. Now, this is gonna be long. And passionate. And the second rant I've written in an unusually short time. But today, I just about reached breaking-point.
Why the hell does the Silm-fadom do to Elu Thingol what it does to Elu Thingol. To be fair, it's not solely him, Elwing gets it far worse (what for????), but that's a post of its own. No, honestly. What the fuck is going on in the minds of people who demonise one character so much while totally glossing over EVERY character fault of others?
Now, don't get me wrong, as much as he is my favourite character in all I ever read or watched in my life, I know full well that Elu's no saint. He makes terrible mistakes, and he behaves at times in ways that make me want to forget that he's my fave. I also admit to reading/interpreting him a little differently from most people in the fandom (you know, being autistic sometimes comes with having a different view on people's motives and behaviours), but my opinions and headcanons are still canon-based. That's kind of the beauty of the Silmarillion with its very shallow character-descriptions, that it allows for various interpretations. That some are more apologetic than others is a result of that, and what in truth makes this fandom so very interesting. So being critical towards him is not at all what I am ranting about here.
But there is a difference between being critical and demonising.
I read a fic today that honestly shocked me to the core. And just in case author should come across this post and recognise their work in this text, please know that I am in no way criticising your story- on the contrary, it was a very good read, I found Elu as the narrating character to be hugely in character and perhaps in other circumstances, I would have quite liked it. I would have written that to you directly on AO3, but I know that critical comments are usually not well-received, and I also really didn't want to pester you about it. After all, it's don't like don't read. So to cut this short, my problem lies NOT with the fic, but with the reactions to it. And it really only was the final straw.
AND, had it been intended as a parody on fanon regarding Elu Thingol , it would have been spot-on as spot-on can be. It was basically saying that each and every thing that went wrong in FA was Elu Thingol's fault. The second and third kinslaying his fault, the deaths amongst the Noldor his fault and so on. And he drew the appropriate conclusions at the end. For which he was called a coward in the comments. And the thing is, that story is fanon on him in a nutshell. The Noldor are always depicted as the victims. And while I'm totally fine with that, be the fuck as apologetic to all characters, fandom.
Like, I'm totally fine with excusing the actions of the Noldor by mental health or just mistakes made or curiosity or hot-temper or a specific view on things. Yeah, great. Compassion is such an important element in all Tolkien's works that I am always in favour of displaying it also in the fandoms concerning his legendarium. But you can't just do it on one people. You can't depict Maedhros as the tragic hero while at the same time condemning Elu Thingol for naming the Silmaril in a flash of impulsivity, when he was telling Beren to begone. Yes, that was idiotic, yes, he was in the wrong there, yes, what happened after was totally a result of that mistake. But still I daresay that he was punished for that in the most terrible way possible, which was the death, the ultimate death, of his only child.
You cannot pass over the Noldor invading Elu's lands and then claim that the ban on Quenya -a language that had by then already been replaced with Sindarin in mixed settlements because Sindarin was easier for the Noldor to learn than Quenya was to the Sindar and Nandor- is cultural genocide.
you can't claim that the kinslayings were caused by Elu and Dior and Elwing's refusal to hand over the Silmaril, that they positively forced the Fëanorians' hands, and at the same be very understanding about the dwarves murdering Elu (yeah, he insulted them, is was an absolute arsehole there, but that still is no excuse for murder)
You can't go saying how the Oath drove the sons of Fëanor to all their actions and then be convinced that what made the Silmaril such a trap for Elu to be nothing but greed.
And just so I make my point completely clear, I am all for being apologetic. About Fëanor and his sons, about Eöl, about the smiths of Nogrod, be apologetic about Sauron and Morgoth even if you can find that in canon for yourself, or if you just happen to feel those characters. Be open and curious about the apologies other people have for their favourite characters. But apply those rules to ALL characters.
Honestly, please stop. Please, if you want to hate Elu, to which of course everyone is entitled, hate him for what he canonically does. Don't make up stories about him just to make him look worse. You know, you can love your faves without having to demonise others.
And please, if you need to vent your feelings about Elu Thingol... tag it as such. It's so so so annoying to try and find content about your character and then get nothing but bashing or the same half-truth repeated again and again and again without further evaluation.
(Even better, stop hating all around. Yeah, it's just fictional characters. But you know, courtesy to the internet, real people look a whole lot like fictional characters. Judging, demonising, bashing, scapegoating, that all works on real people (or peoples!) just like it works on fictional characters. And the trouble is, real people might react in real life just as Elu reacted in the aforementioned fanfic and take their own life. Only that in real humans, dead is dead.)
#rant#elu thingol#silmarillion fandom#fanon#stop bashing!!!#just stop the fuck bashing!#character defence
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here are my thoughts on wwdits (i went from liking the show to being indifferent)
i wish they couldve decided if they wanted to be a IASIP show or a OFMD show... like if theyre just idiots with short plots or if they wanted to set up for a longer storyline? it felt like they didnt know which direction to go until the last couple seasons
i was so disappointed with theeee finale where guillermo gets shipped off in a crate and they all travel, only for the next season to start with them all returned?! i wanted to see everything that happened 😭
Guillermo also being like. the slapstick comedic relief was funny for the first two seasons and then they started teasing bigger plotlines that went nowhere... I got tired of it ?? my partner feels the same, (them being latine) and seeing him be the butt of every joke just started grating on us after awhile. we wanted him to have a win or at least for things to look like they were changing
annnnd then they did the bit where guillermo feels like every day is the same and then the series felt like it went back to the same shit as before again...
and then the plotline with marwa (the lady nandor was with? his wife) was. hm. very unfortunate. and guillermo finally having a bf just for that to get taken away from him. idk. they put wind in the sails and then change direction that the wind vanishes
it feels like they were pulled back and forth with things they wanted to do vs just wanting these characters to be unchanging and shitty (which is fine bc iasip does that!!!!) but like. they just couldnt commit one way or the other and it felt disorienting ? bc i wanted the characters to change but the writing didnt feel the same
idk if any of this makes sense?? and thats not to say its not an enjoyable show (i still love clips and the performances themselves are top notch, a lot of the episodes on their own are very funny of course) but its sad that the writing felt so torn with what they wanted to do
idk if this resonates with anyone else but thats my thoughts... i hope we still get we'rewolves but afaik its been shelved u__u rahhh i wanted sooo much more from this show than what it gave us plbtbbtbtt lets see what the final season brings
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This is belated as hell but posts about it keep coming onto my dash so:
Paul does this shit like once a year and then something else contradicts him and I really just ignore him at this point. I still think Guillermo never once considering he'd have to kill humans that he's already an accessory to killing is idiotic and makes no sense so it's downhill from there. My expectations are extremely lowered in terms of everything knitting together well.
But if the dude's gonna be 2012 about it he can at least put some effort in, because Nandor being Guillermo's boss is like only the fifth or sixth most fucked up thing about their relationship.
More importantly it's like...the ONLY one of those things that isn't true anymore, Guillermo is no longer going to be a vampire, Nandor is just his weird friend now and they're gonna have to deal with that.
Am I dumb enough to believe it's a feint that he specifically brought up the boss thing? No. I think he's just an idiot. But logically in the storytelling, the story where their happiness and relationship make up the core of the emotional and serialized beats of every season, it's the next thing that's gonna come up. Nandor isn't his boss anymore, Paul! What now?
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