#mutsuki touko

[indigosabyss]

…Do you think Rokudo stayed so long with Jun and Ban because somewhere, deep down, he could remember something? Long, red hair. A slight smile. What was this persons name? (Sorry Im Insane over this Concept) Sylveon Extraordinaire, Bazinga

and did he shoot her because that's her death was the most he could remember of her???

I'm also a little insane about it now

[bazingalikethehahafunnyshow]

Hiiro of Nanbaka fame, although I hate your guts, you Are my Roman Empire. (Spoilers for like. the Entire end of Nanbaka. You have been Warned)

In all respects, Hiiro does position himself to oppose Mashiro, yes, but by opposing Mashiro he becomes more and more like the man he hates. Take this analogy for an example: a child takes another child’s toy. The child who was taken from is angry, and so, they take the other child’s toy. Without interference, it becomes a cycle. That’s how I view Mashiro and Hiiro’s rivalry. Hiiro lowers himself to Mashiro’s level in order to get back at him, ultimately causing himself to mirror Mashiro. Kaazu and the Shiki are just a means to an end for their never ending grudge match.

And when talking about Hiiro, of course, you cannot fail to mention Touko. Hiiro may well have loved Touko, but with the time it has taken for him to make Kaazu and Nanba, Touko has just become a figurehead for his endless hate. Hiiro cannot and does not see Touko as a person anymore. He has constantly gone against her in her own name, what by becoming what Mashiro was. I find it to be one of the most intriguing parts of Hiiro. His “love” for Touko isn’t real anymore. It’s just something he can hold onto in order to continue his crusade against Mashiro.

Lastly, I’d like to touch on his relationship with Jyugo. It mirrors his relationship with Touko greatly, but with one key factor which makes Hiiro become a complete hypocrite. Hiiro’s “love” for Jyugo isn’t real…and it causes Jyugo to suffer. Hiiro, by harming Jyugo, thinks he is helping him. He thinks he is justified. Which is exactly what Mashiro thinks. Mashiro hurt Touko, but he was open about his selfishness while doing so. Hiiro hides his selfishness under the guise of “caring” for those he “loves”. Hiiro becomes a more hated antagonist because of this, because, in contrast to Mashiro, Hiiro is a coward. Hiiro hides his own desires under guises of the betterment of mankind. Mashiro doesn’t. Hiiro finally differentiates himself from Mashiro, but at what cost? Hiiro has become what he hated…and more.

[phantomwitch16]

So I just learned the Nanbaka ending. Safe to say that it was not what i expected and I wanna talk about it :,)

Warning to the many people who have not been able to make it past chapter 192 or only watched the anime, the majority of what i know is from TikTok's, the comments of the vids and what i've pulled together by myself and what i've seen on Pinterest. Plus, despite my like for the series, I don't know much, its been a few years since I've done anything with the series , there is a cut off point with the manga and even then i don't know if it was in any particular order.

When i first started the series, I felt like i had a good idea of where the series was going. Like as the series would progress, we learn the pasts and motivations of the main cast, like Uno, Rock, Nico and the others, while seeing Jyugo learn about the shackles and the man on the scar. Then at the end, some shenanigans results in our main cast of idiotic prisoners being released early or finishing off their sentences in around a year or two. but because they either grew attached to the prison or liked the perks of working there (annoying Hajime, anime and food), they decide to go back and become guards of building 13. With Jyugo possibly doing something like this each day.

But that didn't happen. Instead we get something a lot more different than what I originally imagined.

In the end of the series, we learn a lot about Jyugo's backstory, how he and the boys first me and more about the man who shackled him. As it turns out, Jyugo was never friends with Uno, Rock and Nico. They met him but they weren't friends, I think. Initally, I didn't think that he even met them before the start of the series until finding some of the fan translated pics of the manga on Pinterest (Search Nanmaka manga ending Jyugo and you should find something, just find one and keep on scrolling). All the memories that Jyugo had with them were fake ones that were inputted by the clone of the man with the scar/his biological grandfather, i.e. this guy, Hiiro, I think is his name. Hiiro with black hair, scar guy with white guy down here 👇

I'm not entirely clear on what they were planning initially but Hiiro was the one who inputted the memories and orchestrated him going to Namba and becoming friends with the three, who possibly have at least met them individually at tone point. From what I am aware, Jyugo was the clone of Mashiro Mutsuki's (Scar man), grandson who alongside his daughter's, Touko, Jyugo's mother. She died while she was pregnant with Jyugo and Mashiro kept her body so that she could be cloned and give birth to Jyugo.

There were bit and pieces of Jyugo's childhood, with him and Hiiro. And Jyugo was nothing like how he was during the series. He was serious, had no general emotions and all that and i think his clone body was falling apart or he was sort of shapeshifting. He only became somewhat normal and acts similar to how he does to the series when he put the shackles on.

But the shackles had another function and it was to repress his memories and powers. Specifically his memories with Hiiro, the scar man and what his friends did to him. Uno, Nico and Rock were brought in to teach Jyugo how to live in order to be released from prison and gain their freedom. And kill him some time before the series started. This was part of Hiiro’s plan but I’m not too sure about his reasoning. They did that, and when the shackles are gone we see the evidence of it on Jyugo's neck.

All this makes looking back on previous adventures quite differently. In short they were never his friends for a time but did grow close in the time afterwards and began to feel guilt for what they did to him. They eventually come to talk to Jyugo about it and apologise but at this point, it was too late. Jyugo remembers everything when the shackles break and is practically reverted to his previous state. And it leads to a bitter confrontation that leaves the three shaken. As seen below 👇

I'm not sure to what degree of involvement Nanba Prison and the staff there had. By all accounts, its seems that Hajime and the other guards were just as or even more in the dark than Jyugo. Upon finding him, Hajime treats him like he's always has.

The only moderately positive thing and relatively Jyugo related thing that the reverted Jyugo does is that he has a brief interaction with Hajime’s cat who he says goodbye to.

In the end, Jyugo disappeared from the prison with a splatter of blood left behind, leaving apparently with his grandfather. Then that's it. A very WTF kind of ending for a comedic series. It...honestly not what i expected. Beautiful art stuff, yes. WTF moments, yes. Hilarity, yes. A very bitter ending with barely any sweetness in it…neat.

[nanbaocprison]

The spoilers of the recent chapter is completely mind blowing.

There are some mind blowing spoilers about jyugo! ones that will shakes the very core of your beliefs.

Jyugo as a child he never spoke a word, and his body is very fragile that his arms fell off without warning.

he can’t keep his bodys shape because he doesn’t recognize it as his body if he realizes something is wrong with his body he heals. as a child he doesn’t understand life since he doesn’t die, he doesn’t think hes a living thing  because He couldn’t die.

Hiiro doesn’t think Jyugo is empty. 

Woah…if you think the man with the scar on his neck can’t be any more despicable you would be wrong.one of the mind blowing reveals touko is mashiro mutsukis daughter which makes him jyugos grandfather. the reason why jyugo is called 15th is because he is the 15 attempt living baby born.

his real objective of doing this is to create a being closer to god he doesn’t even care about his family he used them as tool for his goals her remains are kept in a container so she could gives birth to his grandson all this time so he can keep doing his experiments. 

Mashiro killed his own daughter and used his own grandson, Mashiro restoring his daughters remains so she could give birth to the son of 610 and saying its a form a love that is so sick! 

Hiiro is right Mashiro restoring his daughter just so she can give birth its the same as how he treated the clones that as consumable goods he basically used his daughter and her son as an object for his experiments that isn’t even love.

he is the sickest most despicable man alive 

[coromoor]

Oh Ishida is extremely ghoul biased so don't worry!

I’m not sure if this was meant to be encouraging about Yomo’s chances of surviving or if that’s bitterness I’m sensing but either way, that’s blatantly made up? :’D

Here’s a list of character deaths in the series from the wiki. In bold are ghouls:

Adam Gehner

Aliza

Ami

Arine

Arunolt von Rosewald

Asaki Fueguchi

Beautiful nurse

Big Madam

Bin Brothers

Cain

Chuu Hachikawa

Daikichi Washuu

Daisuke Atou

Demon Yamada

Dogu

Elderly patient

Emma von Rosewald

Erina Tagata

Fei

Gagi

Guge

Ganbo

Ginshi Shirazu

Hagi

Hairu Ihei

Haru

Hayashi

Hikari Kirishima

Hina Tougi

Ikuma Momochi’s mother

Ippei Kusaba

Jun Numa

Kamishiro

Karao Saeki

Karao Saeki’s father

Karren von Rosewald

Karren von Rosewald’s father

Kasuka Mado

Kazuo Yoshida

Kei

Ken Kaneki’s father

Ken Kaneki’s mother

Kie Muramatsu

Kinko

Kishou Arima

Kobachi

Koharu Utsumi

Kotarou

Kousuke Houji

Kouto

Kurei

Kureo Mado

Kyouji Misaka

Mairo

Masami Umeno

Matsumae

Michie Takizawa

Miho Toga

Mikito Urie

Minomi

Mitsushita

Moku

Nanao Yasuhisa

Nashiro Yasuhisa

Nathanael von Rosewald

Niharu

Nishiki Nishio’s elder sister

Nobu Shimoguchi

Noro

Noyama

Nutcracker

Nutcracker’s partner

Ooshima

Oumi

Rio’s brother

Ryou

Ryouko Fueguchi

Ryouta Ooshiba

Ryuuta Sawaike

Sakino Mura

Seidou Takizawa’s father

Shiki Kijima

Shinji Michibata

Shinme Haisaki

Shion Satomi

Shizuku Kawakami

Shunichi Shibashi

Shunji Shiono

Shuu

Shuu Tsukiyama’s mother

Skull Masks Leader

Sumiharu Katou

Tago

Taguchi

Tanaka

Taro

Tatara

Tetsu

Tomonori Akai

Tooru Mutsuki’s father

Touko Harima

Touma Higemaru’s uncle

Tsubasa

Tsukuru Tsukiyama

Tsumugi Yamagata

Tsuneyoshi Washuu

Ukina

Uruka Minami

Waka Asachi

Wobbegong

Yakumo Oomori

Yan

Yasuhito Nezu

Yoshitoki Washuu

Yoshiu Washuu

Yukio Kurodawara

Yuuma

Yuuri Akanuma

Yuuta Okamochi

60 ghouls to 60 humans if I counted right. Neck and neck. And that doesn’t count the unnamed characters we’ve seen on screen- hoards of fodder CCG Investigators, the unnamed Tsukiyama family staff, every ghoul in the ghoul restaurant, the entire Black Dober gang, the entire Devil Ape gang, half of Aogiri, every ghoul Kaneki cannibalised, the 98% of ghouls Furuta exterminated in a single ward, etc. etc. I dunno man, if I would have to pick I would say the ghouls are winning the race for deaths overall and even moreso, the major character deaths. But I might just be ghoul biased.

[indigosabyss]

As an Ad-on to My Insanity about the Jyugo family. Do you think Touko could be a ghost. The only requirements we have for someone to become a ghost rn is that:

1. Must have died with a regret

2. Must have died with a strong emotional response

…Touko probably died Every Single Time with so many regrets and emotions. Just think, how would she feel when she had died whilst pregnant? And then the constant rebirths and then subsequent deaths. Rage tends to build up after sometime. If Touko truly is a ghost, then she must be a thousand times more powerful than what we’ve seen from Hell, Tauro, heck, even the ghost that possesses Hakushaku and his family!

Another thing…with that many deaths…how much of Touko is still, yknow…left?

Food for Thought, Bazinga

I've always considered that her actual life memories don't exist in the clones. I don't know what Mashiro was doing to make her retroactively pregnant again, but Touko never seemed to regain actual memories in the time that we know her. It was simply 'body memories' being referenced as coming back.

I like to imagine the Touko souls are all a group of dead sisters. They didn't have much in life, but now they're rebuilding what only one of them ever had.

Imo Touko didn't die in childbirth every iteration. At least a few times she had to have survived, and was killed after the fact, because she was unneeded now. Maybe every time. The betrayal of that would be the exact emotional response needed to be turned into a ghost, don't you think?

[indigosabyss]

so the story of nanbaka pre-canon is... fucking insane. and given that some details were obviously not fleshed out at the beginning, I'll try to boil down the important bits:

(Obvious nanbaka spoilers under cut)

Rokudo is several hundred years old, awakening togabito without a care.

One of the people he turned into togabito is Mutsuki Mashiro (aka the Man With The Scar), granting him the ability to transfer thoughts and memories.

Mashiro became obsessed with the potential of togabito, envisioning a world where they reigned supreme.

He extended his life by creating a clone of himself and transferring all his mind into them, and then repeating the process once the clone has aged too much.

This process is repeated at minimum 115 times.

In his extended life, Mashiro gathers more togabito into the organization Shiki, and carries out experiments.

Also in this time, he has a daughter somehow called Touko.

This daughter grew up, fell pregnant after some sort of tryst with Rokudo, and then died mid-pregnancy

Mashiro (being a very normal guy) decides to clone Touko and implant memories and sensations to rebuild her to the exact state she was in before she died, with the goal of getting Rokudo's kid

This experiment failed fourteen times

Simultaneously, one of the clones Mashiro is using to extend his life has become an anomaly.

Clone Number 116 becomes the first Mashiro Clone to have an ability different from Mashiro's. He can create handcuffs and chains.

Because of this anomaly, Mashiro doesn't take over C#116, instead saving him for further research.

The fifteenth version of Touko is introduced to C#116, who gives him the name Hiiro.

She tells Hiiro that she loves him. He specifically calls the love between them romantic. (Yes, yes, I know)

Touko dies. On this fifteenth attempt, her son survives. (This our main character)

For the first six years, Number Fifteen is raised by Hiiro, who was entrusted with his care by Mashiro

Isou (the Shiki doctor) experiments on Number Fifteen, gathering data on his development and powers

By the age of six, Number Fifteen still can't speak.

A more pressing concern is that Number Fifteen's arms have a tendency to fall off. His body is constantly falling apart due to him not having any attachment to his body.

Number Fifteen is an empty container in the shape of a human; unable to recognize that he is alive.

Because he has as much attachment to his own body as he does with a random wall, he can also assimilate random walls into his "body", hence allowing him to listen in on Mashiro, and to share that with Hiiro.

Isou and Mashiro are disappointed with the lack of data from Number Fifteen, and consider storing him away and trying to clone Touko a sixteenth time.

Hiiro is reeling from the shock of Touko's replicability. In the panic, he yanks Number Fifteen at a force that would regularly have his leg come off.

However, the leg remains sturdy.

One of Hiiro's shackles have latched onto Number Fifteen's ankle, and held it together, giving the skin a better complexion.

Hiiro places Jyugo's thick black shackles around his ankles, wrists, and neck. This results in suppressing his ability and granting him awareness. His first words are: "Who are you?"

(Also. This all might have been happening in the window of time between World War One and Two???? But maybe they're just ignorant of world events w how old they are)

Mashiro creates Elf, a togabito capable of curing any disease, while also seizing control of the target's body by replacing all its cells.

Elf cells are injected into Jyugo, with the intention of taking him over.

Mashiro reveals that Hiiro's ability changing to suppress abilities means that Jyugo has the secondary ability to mutate other togabito's abilities; and he wishes to research this.

He also wants Elf to try and break down Hiiro's shackles from the inside of Jyugo's body.

Hiiro runs away with Jyugo

Mashiro vows to find them.

Hiiro goes on to form Kaazu, an international organization in charge of managing prisons.

This is to promote the incarceration of togabito, to then channel them from all prisons into one maximum security prison called Nanba Prison, to kill the creatures that Mashiro held to such high regard

Shiki starts to target unusual people in prisons, too, taking advantage of the disenfranchisement of felons like Hiiro is doing too.

At some point, Jyugo meets Nico, Uno, and Rock for the first time. This encounter ends with his death(?)

Hiiro crafts Nanba to be as interesting and amazing as the real world for Jyugo.

To put off the progress of Elf working through Jyugo's body, Hiiro wipes his memories. This is done multiple times over, with the help of Nishimiya.

He recruits Jyugo's near-killers into supporting him as they went through prisons, until they're finally transferred to Nanba.

Rokudo is still wandering around, now guarded by a Shiki bodyguard.

And from there the manga starts!!

[nanbaocprison]

Nanbaka theory's

I think I know why Hiiro chose the surname Kisaragi, it not only was to be the opposite of Mashiro’s surname Mutsuki but also about Touko.

Kisaragi is the old Japanese name for the month February its known as the month of love because of Valentines day. Remember? touko remembers her date of birth not her surname so my guess is that her date of birth is somewhere in February. Makes sense since Touko is someone who is full of love, she loved Hiiro and Rokudo in her past lifetime.

Hiiro still thinks about Touko he still loved Touko even after her death.