#mlvns saying we hate el and then write this shit

[jaegerisim]

i'm throwing hands at the damn bitch who wrote this

[itsjustbyler]

Mike and Will knowing eachother longer or since kindergarten is a cop out Will bringing home his sisters ex for dinner with the folks is cringy Jon and Nancy having a kid and that kid asking uncle Will who his first kiss was expecting it be uncle Will but actually aunty Eleven is AWKARD anyway which way you look at it byler coming to be is stupid and would be the worse writing in HISTORY. The duffers are good writers if they want byler it would of happened already they wouldn’t of had Mike express his love to Eleven in a very powerful way like Jesus Christ it’s not happening it’s cool people like it like ship what you want but y’all wasting your time with these theories and being deadass confidence it’s endgame is just ridiculous and it’s why you get so much hate because you’re coming across as cocky little shits when in actuality you’re joining the long list of females who like unrealistic mlm ships you want action go check out x rated shit

Ok I actually had to read it like 5 times to finally understand what you're saying.

Oh, again with "sisters ex" or whatever. For Will, Mike is Mike, his best friend since kindergarten. You know that Mike is someone outside his relationship with El right?

I don't know how to break it up to you but your first kiss don't need to be the love of your life. You probably not even going to remember. So, unless you are really immature, it's not a big deal really. Do you know what "slow burn" means? take jopper as an example.

Nah, we get a lot of hate because people like you don't have something better to do and come searching for things they don't even like just to complain. If you are so sure mlvn is endgame, why are you so mad about people shipping byler? It's not like you are going to change people's mind so... Take that confidence you have in mlvn endgame and go send some love in the mlvn tag instead of wasting your time here.

[angelwithnightmares]

WARNING: LONG RANT AND EXPLANATION

I feel like I have to stand up for myself now when I’ve seen the way some of the people in this fandom have been spreading rumors about me on Twitter.

I’m going to take this from the beginning.

//

In November, I was kinda new on Twitter. I remember seeing a tweet in my feed, it said “Let Robin say lesbian in season 5” and to me, who lives in Sweden, the word lesbian isn’t a very “bad” word. It’s actually a very common and normal word here, and we have a bunch of movies and tv-shows when lesbian girls and women simply say: I’m lesbian! So to me, I had NO IDEA that in the US, it’s seen as a “bad” word and that’s why the fans wanted her to verbally say it. I totally get that now, but I wasn’t aware back then. Silly me then made a comment, because a very cute and funny little moment popped up in my head and I felt like: AH I need to write this. It was something along with:

“Or gay, because imagine how cute it would be if Will came out as gay, and Robin would say “I’m gay too”, and then a stunned Dustin (or someone) would say “Okay, so while we’re at it - does anyone else want to come out of the closet?” And then Mike slowly raises his hand.”

I didn’t think much more about it, and the next time I logged into Twitter I had gotten like 50 qrts with: LOADS of death threats, gifs with people murdering people, people calling me lesbophobe, people mocking my grammar, my age, people saying weird things to me about Will etc. I was in such shock, I deleted the tweet right away and had a panic attack. What the hell just happened? How did that made me a lesbophobe? I’m bisexual myself, and I LOVE lesbians. I have also a bunch of wlw ships that I love. But all that shit just because I didn’t know that the word lesbian was very uncommon for americans to say in American media and how they wanted to change that.

Anyways, I deactivated my Twitter because all these horrible rumors about me triggered my suicidal thoughts (I suffer from depression), I made a new one and people figured me out right away so I changed alias and pfp/header but people still figured out it was me.

I blocked every single toxic person I came across, a few months passed and one day I was on Twitter again. This time, it was about an analysis of a scene in Stranger Things. Me and an iconic Byler here on tumblr were analysing the scene when everyone says goodbye at the end of season 3. First, Mike looked uncomfortable af when El kissed him, and later on he looked uncomfortable when she was close to him, hugging and touching and making a forehead touch. In one of the gifs, to ME it looked like the hand movement from El was kinda harsh when they made that forehead touch and I just couldn’t understand how people thought it was cute. It was a personal opinion and just a harmless analysis. Both me and this other person were also saying “Nothing against El though, she’s a kid, but I guess if the roles were reversed - if Mike would be the one to kiss El with her not kissing back, with open eyes, looking uncomfortable and shocked, I guess people would have accused him for SA or something. Not that we did, but we know that it would look a lot more bad if Mike was the one who kissed her and not vice versa simply because of the statistics. WE NEVER ACCUSED EL FOR SA. We both love her and she’s my favorite female character in the show. I just don’t like the SHIP Mlvn and I didn’t get how people thought that scene was cute. It was simply an analysis, nothing more. Not an accusation. Not a hate post. That post had over 200 likes and LOADS of reblogs with people who thought the same. But still only me and my friend were attacked. That also lead to ANOTHER accusation: of me being antisemitic. Why?

In year 2006, I first started my YouTube channel. I was very interested in learning how to edit, so thanks to tutorials I learned by myself how to edit. I was 14 years old when I read Anne Frank’s diary for the first time and I saw so much of myself in her. I also loved the way she described her relationship with Peter in the diary, so I watched “Anne Frank: The Whole Story” from 2001 and thanks to my family I could get that movie on my computer so I could make tribute videos of her since she inspired me so much, to never give up on my dreams and to ALWAYS follow my heart and believe that every person is truly good at heart. I made my own trailer for the movie, because there was none to be found on YouTube. My edits became very popular for being back in 2007, and soon loads of people found them. 90% was so happy I made these tributes, that I let the memory of her and all the people who tragically was murdered by the nazi’s back in the 30/40’s live on. But there was also a bunch of REAL antisemitics who called Anne a bunch of horrible stuff in the comments, people who claimed the holocaust never happened etc and I was defending her and the other victims for dear life. I was so proud of my edits, like I said: I was 14 years old and she was my biggest inspiration. My parents also watched these and they didn’t think they were problematic in any way so of course I trusted them and their moral.

And yes, I also made two tribute edits of her and Peter (I didn’t even knew about the term “shipping” back then) but this person on Twitter said I was making “ship edits” about Anne Frank. I have made all of my old videos private now, mostly because of the bad quality but also because of this person who now made me embarrassed of them instead. I wouldn’t make these edits today. Here’s a glimpse of one of them:

Is this antisemitic in any way?

Anyways, because of this person + a lot of others, this made me and my friend to eventually deactivate our tumblr accounts. I hade SO much going on in my personal life back then too, so this was just too much. They found out things about my family situation and that made me freak out, I was threatening them with the cops just because they were attacking and stalking me and my family on a personal level. They were harassing me on TikTok. On DM. On Twitter. People were leaving me and I felt like shit. Luckily there was a bunch who still were standing by my side through all of this and I am SO grateful for you all. Never forget that, you guys made me come back here.

Also, now when one of my tweets became popular on Twitter, of COURSE these people found me and started spreading these rumors again. I found that out from some of my friends here, sending me ss.

I just can’t fucking believe these people. All because of a silly little tweet which ended up in a total DISASTER.

End of rant. I hope at lease some of you understand.

[demadogs]

Why do you think will/Byler seems to get more active, targeted hate/homophobia than Robin/Rockie (or ronance)?

theres a lot of reasons.

robin became an established queer character the season she was introduced, and she was never in a hetero relationship before. for byler, mike specifically, its different because they hate the idea of a character they love “suddenly” being revealed as queer. because they refuse to look into all the queercoding, all theyve ever known is mike as a straight character in a relationship with a girl so they would be pissed if they found out theyve actually been rooting for a queer character.

robin and vickie also arent main characters. they see them as the shows representation points and thats the only purpose they serve. mike, will, and el however are the main characters and we so so rarely see main characters in media thats not explicitly a queer story end up being queer. this just doesnt happen. and if it does happen, their sexuality and feelings are revealed in the first season, second at the latest. never the last. and they also never leave a long term hetero relationship for it. again, this goes for shows that ARENT considered a queer show. maybe youd see this in heartstopper but a scifi horror show about an evil alternate dimension??? this is so rare.

because of that, they think we’re absolutely ridiculous for believing it will happen. i think the aggression and homophobia also has to do with them subconsciously seeing the signs that we’re pointing out and theyre getting mad that mlvn isnt the perfect couple they say they are. and/or theyre seeing the massive numbers of byler shippers compared to mlvn shippers and thats enough to piss them off and worry them that mlvn isnt endgame.

the biggest thing i think tho is mike. they chose to show mike deeply struggle with internalized homophobia and people dont like that. they see him with a girl and think “SEE!!!! HE’S STRAIGHT!!” even tho their relationship is obviously unhappy for both of them. a lot of times internalized homophobia is represented with the audience aware of their true feelings. this is one of the first times ive seen it played out where we’re given clues, but not seeing mikes pov at all. they wont like that. they’ll feel tricked.

robin also hasnt been represented as repressed at all. she assumed steve wouldnt want to be her friend but other than that she is not ashamed, just careful because she needs to be. i think homophobes prefer this in media. when they see the ugly side of it they claim theyre focusing way too much on the gay shit.

also the fact that will is their second canon queer character. like i said, they see robin as just a tool for representation points so the fact that theres a second queer character completely unrelated or uninvolved with the first one makes them think “you already have robin why do you need another gay character!!” i think this would also be the case if will was canon first and then robin was introduced.

i also think the fact that theyre guys makes a difference too. i think with robin and vickie, even tho its well established that at least robin has feelings, they can play it off as some girly besties hanging out but with guys its so different. we saw max and el holding hands in s3 and no one thought that was weird but we probably wouldnt see lucas and dustin like that. so i really dont think theyll like it if/when byler kiss.

for ronance i think since theres zero chance of that actually happening and most people who ship them are well aware of this, they dont even bother with the hate. bylers already half canon tho so they feel like their precious hetero ship is threatened.

i could write a whole paper about this honestly. theres so much else.

[demadogs]

From my experience as a pretty casual watcher up until a couple months ago I don't know anyone whos a super big fan of mike and el together? Like pretty much everyone I know who watches ST just kind of expects them to be endgame because they always have been but since the monologue was deemed cringe and most people hate Mike at this point its popularity as a pairing has pretty much dimmed apart from "they were cute in season 2 I guess!". Byler is also kinda looked down upon bc of the unanimous hatred of Mike and because most people in the GA think it's impossible to have feelings for someone of the same gender if you've dated someone of the opposite gender before or they think it's already too late in the game to make it canon.

yeah ive said this recently but i think we dont recognize the lack of mlvn fans anymore because the remaining ones are so loud and obnoxious, but theres actually very few of them. even if theyre not bylers, most people are over mlvn and feel like theyre forced and neither of them are happy. but i think a lot of them just think its shitty writing and dont realize theres a reason for it.

i think the people who do hate mike and mlvn will be more onboard with byler when it happens because mikes behavior that has lead him to be such a disliked character is pretty much entirely a result of his internalized homophobia. him ignoring his friends for el, lying to el, “its not my failt you dont like girls”, not writing or calling will, not hugging him at the airport, fighting with will and blaming him at rink o mania, gaslighting el by saying “i say it” when shes crying in front of him about the fact that he doesnt love her, then all of a sudden being able to say it during a life or death situation but he brings up her super powers again. its all a result of his own self hatred so once hes with will and accepts himself he wont be like this anymore.

people SHOULD hate mike if they arent thinking about the fact that it could be a result of internalized homophobia. i honestly dont understand why more mlvns dont hate mike and are mad at his actions. like hes treated both will and el like shit and many of us have figured out why hes been acting like this but for those who have never even considered that it could be internalized homophobia, i dont understand how they still like him and still think hes great for el.

i think once they reveal that all his shitty actions were a result of his own self hatred the people that do hate him a lot will start to go easy on him. mike needs to have a moment like will destroying castle byers for people to see how much he has been struggling this whole time. they wouldnt just make a loved character from the first two seasons an asshole for no reason.

[autistic-katara]

i focused in on the hair one cause its highlighted and thought yk its not that bad plenty of us dislike the bowlcut but then i read the others and goddamn-

i'm throwing hands at the damn bitch who wrote this