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give-grian-rights · 1 year ago
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SCREAMING AND WAILING OVER THIS TWO YEAR OLD POST i miss cube smp every day of my fucking life
the cube meets the dsmp
Welcome to the complete chaos that would be the cube members and dsmp members all on the same server (let's say the cube members join right before the final disc battle)
h is seen laughing with graser, everyone is shocked because they haven't seen him in months, let alone see him smile
the cube members absolutely flaming the adults for letting Tommy and Tubbo almost getting killed (please imagine stacy losing her shit at dream for almost killing children, who she doesn't know at all, but they shouldn't have to suffer)
graser, parker, tommy and tubbo causing chaos with over the top pranks (in addition, parker and graser teaching them that you can have fun without murdering people)
"I'm sorry Dream, you should've payed me more" *Straub falls flat on his face when walking out of the portal, Graser laughing in tears over it*
Bee and Stacy hear about how much crap Niki has gone through, and tell her she deserves better
the red banquet but graser mumbles gibberish in a deep voice from behind a wall, foolish actually thinks its the egg talking
parker and h spend two days straight on the leap of faith, making it harder and harder until either of them can't continue anymore (tubbo is amazed because he has never seen the old man be so determined)
the cube members set up a proper shopping district, putting the dsmp spawn to shame (let alone the nether hub, which they are appalled by)
"what do you mean there is a prison? like a legitimate one??"
"Hey fundy wanna go abba caving with me?" "What the hell is that" (between kiingtong and fundy)
adding on to the precious one, fundy figuring out how to cheese the game, will thinking fundy is a scarily similar to graser
niki confused because no one has ever been this nice to her before
straub finding it hilarious that L'Manburg was founded on a drug van
them finding out about the cat maid bit, and are by far the must disturbed by this (how much hell did h go through to make him do this)
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megabuild · 7 months ago
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do you think Etho and Sethbling ever made out on Mindcrack?
havent seen them interact enough to say but i think most of the mindcrack guys made out with every other member at least once
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lectern-fullcauldron · 1 year ago
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do you know your hermistory? hermitcraft debuts in order
Short ID: an infographic illustrating each current hermitcraft whitelist member's hermitcraft debut date by season. Each hermit is illustrated next to an abridged tfc quote that reads 'a great big dysfunctional family'
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Image ID: a long single panelled infographic on a rainbow gradient background. Down the right hand side reads "a great big, dysfunctional family". The infographic has the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8 down the left hand side, each with a corresponding colour on the gradient.
Section one: down the left hand side of this section are the following stats: 'April 2012: Hypno, Xisuma', 'May 2012: Keralis, Joe Hills' 'Jan 2013: Bdubs'. All of the above hermits are illustrated in the section. Keralis, Xisuma, and Hypno stand at the top as founding members of the server. There is an illustration of a leaf block on a two high fence next to Keralis labelled 'booshes' and an arrow points at Hypno reading 'website admin'. Below them, Joe Hills reclines in a Uno wildcard themed bubble reading a book called 'scam'. An arrow points to this bubble that reads 'the original new guy'. Bdubs' appears waving in a small white circle below Joe with the caption '2 eps in S1. Coming soon!'
Section two: a neon green arrow bridges this section to section one. It comes from Joe Hills and reads 'coup!'. Down the left of this section are the following stats: 'June 2013: Cleo, Mumbo', 'Oct 2013: TFC', 'Dec 2013: iJevin', 'June 2014: False', 'July 2014: Tango', and 'Sept 2014: xbcrafted'. Cleo and mumbo sit together with an arrow pointing at them reading 'both too shy to talk to people' - this text also has an arrow pointing at falsesymmetry. Tfc is depicted carrying a pair of binoculars and has an arrow pointing at him that reads 'branch mine advocate' of which the branch is underlined. Ijevin carries a stopwatch and False a diamond sword. Tango holds a minecraft oak door and has two bits of text pointing at him. The first reads 'early iron farm visitor' and the second reads 'redstone genius'. This second text has arrows that also descend down to impulse, doc, and etho in section three. The final hermit in section two is xb, who is lying on his stomach, kicking his legs and looking up at tango.
Section three: the stats down the left hand side of this section read 'Jan 2015: impulse', 'march 2015: etho, doc'. Impulse is depicted falling into a yellow pentagram with the caption 'summoned to help with quad witch hut'. Below this, doc and etho stand side by side (doc a head taller than etho). Doc has a pen and a clipboard and the pair are labelled 'mindcrack refugees'.
Section four: the stats down the left hand side of this section read: 'Feb 2016: Welsknight, Iskall, Scar, Ren, Cub', 'Sept 2016: Beef'. The five hermits for Feb 2016 are depicted in a line with a box grouping cub and scar with a note that reads 'do not separate'. Below them is the caption 'kingdomcraft'. Beef reclines alone below them, with a note beside him that reads 'mesa-ing around' (title of cub's first hermitcraft episode).
Section five: the stats down the left hand side of this section read: 'April 2017: Stress, Bdubs, Zed'. This section is relatively small. Stress is in a GG get gorgeous t-shirt, holding an allium. Bduds is asleep on Zed, wrapped up in his moss cloak. Above him reads 'NHO time!'
Section six: the stats down the left hand side of this section read: 'July 2018: grian'. This section depicts grian t-posing with white wings and orange goose feet. He has two captions, the first reads 'started a war' and has an arrow pointing up to stress as well. The other reads 'horrible goose t-posing to assert dominance'.
Section 8: the stats down the left hand side of this final section read: 'June 2021: Gem, Pearl'. Gem and pearl are depicted hugging with the captions 'moon big' and 'gem is great'. Pearl's face is depicted as a moon and her eyes are craters. She still has blonde hair to match her minecraft skin.
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boxesblr · 7 months ago
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Etho wondered about if it would be possible to build hermit statues in that cute style and all I can think about is when Guude would do a sort of podcast with a mindcrack member while they built a statue of them. Do you think he remembers
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hermitrivia · 8 months ago
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Hermit Trivia Question #2
Please read the voting rules before participating:
No cheating! Don't look up your answers before voting. (I have no practical way of stopping you from doing this, so I'm going to have to trust you not to ruin the fun.)
No spoilers! Don't say, imply, or hint your answer in the comments or tags before the poll is finished.  This ruins the game for everyone else, so you WILL be blocked if you do this.
Share the fun! Reblog the poll if you play.  The more people play, the more fun everyone has.
Once the poll is finished, I'll reblog it with the correct answer.
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nightshadeowl · 2 years ago
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I have a question for you.
I mean. Maybe. Depends on whether this applies to you:
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transfemzedaph · 1 year ago
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Joel was a bit unsure what to expect of going back through the rift to hermitcraft. Sure most of the hermits had come over and they were all pretty friendly, but itd be different this way. Theyre all heading into the hermits world and homes. Joel also knows theres some hermits who didn't cross over to visit empires. Etho, of course, was one of them, and was someone Joel was looking forward to seeing. It had been a while since double life but they got on like a house on fire (ha.) yeah there'd been some making out and cuddling but in the end it wasn't anything more than that but they were still good friends. There was also a couple others though. Joel struggles to remember their names, theres one of Ethos old friends from mindcrack - hes vaugely heard about him from Etho himself. Theres also one of Tangos best friends? Maybe? Joels not sure. Jimmy and Tango talk A Lot and most of it is just gossip but Joel swears Jimmy has told him about the other member of Team ZITS? Joel thinks that what he said, obviously Joel already knew Tango, Impulse, and Skizz, but it was that Z guy that Joel didn't know. Joel thinks he remembers Jimmy telling him that he does weird redstone contraptions? But honestly hes not sure if that was Jimmy talking about him or about Tango.
So yeah. Joels nervous. But hey, here goes nothing, right?
So he steps through the rift.
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single-malt-scotch · 2 years ago
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nebtho masterpost
alright. alright its time, ive put together enough for this-- this is more so a means to expose/explain to new fans an old era of mcyt thats is kinda hard to access. admittedly i only kept this to nebris/etho because itd just be too hard to piece all missing bits of Death Games together.... its not nearly as wild or in depth as present day things but its dear to me.... old fan art/fic is what got me obsessed w these two back in the day and their dynamic is fun!! and i think its worth exposing ppl to some of this old etho lore :)
nebris+ethoslab was a popular pair back in 2012-2014 era Mindcrack fandom. i assume most of yall know who etho is but nebris was also a member of the server. He was often regarded as cunning and sly, and referred to as "cheaty nebris" for various reasons (whether it was the insane amount of obsidian he managed to acquire for his base, or how he miraculously survived a fight in UHC while barely losing a heart). now why did they become a popular pair?? well.
Death games-- Etho's "game" he came up with in mindcrack s3, is mostly where it took off. They had many interactions in the forms of pranks and whatnot prior (nebris with 'team america', pranking team canada), but this is kinda where a dynamic formed-- Etho's pov starts with him getting back at mcgamer and nebris for killing pause multiple times (streamed here). The game's rules are that etho kills them a total of four times, or they can kill each other to reduce the kill count on their heads. This is definitely where etho gained his reputation of being scary back then lol. Nebris' first perspective on the matter is here.
in both of those first videos, Etho's ganged up on them in a livestream with nebris, mc, and millbee when they went to his base... in which he quickly kills them off with ease. From there is escalates!
s3 death games encounters (from oldest onward) are here:
Nebris pov, july 4th, 2012 - nebris falls to his death when trying to fight etho. a fun fact: nebris tried to keep etho out by blocking his portal with clay... since etho wouldnt break clay.
Etho pov, july 5th, 2012 - same episode as above, also showing how etho had a secret room right behind nebris' bed, which allowed him to die and respawn there without using a portal.
Etho pov, july 6th, 2012 - in which etho attempts and succeeds at killing nebris.
Nebris pov, july 6th, 2012 - same episode as etho's from that day.
theres undoubtedly potentially more bits of interactions out there and that is one of the problems of these old videos... theres lots of them, theyre long, and not all the titles give away if its related. Eventually i will build a more solid playlist but this is just death games!
there is a good backlog of fanfiction out there, i can tell you that. dig into the depths of dreamwidth, even. im sure theres quite a lot of fan art strewn across tumblr entirely untagged. regardless, its was surely one the first popular ships that characterized etho in his exaggerated mysterious self that people do with him today.
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mizumech · 2 years ago
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My Deaf Ethoslab Headcanons
Despite living a life so influenced by music and sound, Etho is hard of hearing in his right ear and completely deaf in his left ear from continuous close-range creeper explosions (This is actually not uncommon among farm-type redstoners, which is why most players who major in redstone will also be advised to pick up a specific sign language corresponding to the country they come from. Players studying to be Admins are advised to learn at least one kind of sign language which may or may not specifically correspond to the area the player is from.)
When dealing with noteblocks, he tends to rely on his hearing aids or vibrations. He likes placing his hands on them or placing hollow ladders on them to feel the vibrations. Sometimes, he’ll utilise skulk, amethyst, or echo shards for a novel experience, but he can never really let go of the old.
However, his hearing aids have changed and evolved drastically from his original one, which barely worked due to the components available at the time. Both him and Doc now use the same model, utilising skulk to send signal and amethyst to amplify it, with echo shard mesh to diffuse the feedback.
Given that Etho was not deaf from birth, he can speak pretty well, but in big meetings that don’t only involve Mindcrack members, Hermitcraft members or Traffic-SMP members, he tends to use his cybernetic eye to read his sign and speak for him as he’s rather self-conscious about his voice now that he can’t hear it well without hearing aids. Even around people he’s comfortable with, he also might rely on his cybernetics because it can read his facial expressions via his muscles. Sometimes, Joe as a licensed interpreter will translate if he’s feeling up to it. And, yes, he has been caught red-handed fidgeting when he starts losing interest because his cybernetics will start blaring stuff that don’t make sense.
His cybernetics (and everyone else’s) are given exceptions from the Protection 1 Enchantment limit on the Traffic SMPs.
Etho picked up ASL in school to complement his redstone engineering degree but had since picked up bits and pieces of JSL as a Naruto joke and then more from Grian later on. He sometimes fingerspells to Doc because the fingerspelling for DGS and ASL are almost the same. Doc has been picking up ASL, but he is not completely fluent, instead using SEE.
Etho‘s sign name for Bdubs is a B-hand circling his heart, like the way his big eyes have imprinted on his heart. Bdubs’ sign for Etho is the sign for ‘Shade’ followed by an ‘E’ over the heart.
Etho’s sign name for Doc is a D-hand over the cybernetic eye followed by the sign for metal on the same side if the face. Doc’s sign for Etho is an ‘E’ over the eye and then the sign for fox.
Etho’s sign for Beef alternates between the sign for ‘beefy’ followed by the sign for ‘friend’ and the sign for ‘Canada’ followed by the sign for ‘mother’. Beef’s sign for Etho alternates between the sign for ‘ladder’ followed by the sign for ‘fox’ and the sign for ‘Canada’ and ‘friend’.
Etho’s sign name for Tango is a ‘T’ brushing back from his scalp. Tango’s for him is an ‘E’ followed by the sign for ‘engineering’.
Etho’s sign for Impulse is the sign for yellow tracing an ‘I’ on his torso, sometimes accompanied with the sign for ‘idea’. Impulse’s sign for him is the same as Tango’s.
He’s contemplated using his cybernetics as a way to look out for mobs by using an entity counter before, but has decided against it, saying the entity counter would drive him mad when working with his redstone.
Even though he’s not a language person, he loves ASL, and he loves using signing to communicate. Because of this, he also prefers communicator models with a flashlight function. His bases and homes also tend to be very visually and tactile-wise stimulating with wider corridors so he can see other people if they’re signing to him and no doors so he doesn’t have to look away when entering a new area. When he’s with people he’s comfortable with, he tends to make more noise, allowing his tools to scrape and his steps to drag. While he doesn’t mind soft toys, he has an even softer spot for those with heartbeat pistons where he can feel the heartbeats. Sometimes, he fidgets in sign, fingerspelling into his parka. He signs the word ‘redstone’ as 'cocaine’ because he thinks it’s funny.
In a power outage, he gets clingy, murmuring into arms if he’s with people he’s comfortable with. Fear makes his voice worse and he’s afraid people can’t see him, so he just tries to make himself felt. If not, he’ll curl up in a corner and wait for the storm to pass.
The Deep Dark terrifies him. It’s a nightmare for him, pitch-black and silent, sensitive to his every fidget and movement.
He’s never quite left the jungle because it’s vibrant on the jungle floor and bright above the trees. The parrots are like amplifiers, warning him by copying creeper sounds if they’re close enough and giving him the beat of the music he’s playing when he’s not wearing his hearing aids.
He loves drawing labels for his music discs. Ward reminds him of home and the jungle, and he likes the pulsing beat of it that he can so clearly feel when he puts his hand on the jukebox. He likes painting eyes of ender on Ward’s label, with a background made of echo shard pigment. It reminds of the End. Maybe it’ll lead him home.
It feels like he hears things a little different now that he’s hard of hearing. He’s sat by the ocean, at the edge of the jungle, many times, trying to capture the melody he hears into noteblocks. Shuniji, that’s the lyric he hears. That’s what he carves on the wooden swords he uses.
He prefers shops where the wares and prices are in the open so he can just point, nod, purchase, and leave without anyone being any the wiser. As he’s learnt, signing to those unaware can earn ridicule. He remembers being called a spaz once when he was waiting for Bdubs outside a moss shop, fidgeting and rocking on his heels.
He’s noticed fully grown adult players, imitating his signs crudely, laughing and thinking he wouldn’t notice. He’s noticed children are always the kindest towards him.
He’ll never admit it, but Bdubs was the one who gave him the confidence to speak. Beef convinced him to learn sign and Doc helped him with his cybernetic software. Before that, he wrote and typed excessively to communicate and barely did any anyways. Bdubs loved Etho before he loved himself and helped diffuse any awkward situations regarding his signing and defended him when people made fun of his voice when he first started speaking again.
All in all, he counts being deaf as just another aspect of his life. Deafness and redstone come hand in hand for him and he loves both.
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rev-pirate · 1 year ago
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I thoroughly enjoy the rabbit holes i keep running down to get historical context to things Pix is talking about in his decidedly vanilla episodes. So Pix hit 100 subscribers between episodes 8 and 9 of season 2. During episode 9 he mentioned already having 125 subs now because a large creator (Logdotzip, it turns out, after i did some sleuthing bc Pix failed to mention who it was) had showcased his armor stand swapping redstone mechanism on his channel after seeing it on reddit and subs were trickling in from the namedrop and link in the description. And then a week and a half later OMGcraft/OMGchad, a popular minecraft tips and tutorials channel and member of Mindcrack, made his very first creator spotlight video and chose to showcase Pix and his tutorial style on his channel with it. He gained thousands of subs overnight. He was at 6k within a couple weeks. crazy to think about
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megabuild · 1 month ago
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I have generated some thoughts about guudetho, a ship which I have never before considered, using my two monthly allocated brain cells from the inbox mine union. These are RPF flavored but really just analysis after watching hundreds of hours of etho content over the last two years.
I’ve watched a lot of older videos w guude and etho and honestly the dynamic is like…guude pushes etho’s buttons by saying things etho will have to cut from his videos. lol
There’s more to the dynamic there, though. Guude helped etho come out of his small town shy kid shell and made a space for him to have real close friends to goof around with online. Three clips I’m thinking of:
1. Etho talking to guude about being bummed he wasn’t invited to Mindcrack right away, and Guude saying he didn’t realize Etho wanted to join because he thought Etho was busy doing his single player. (# Unrequited pining tag)
2. Etho basically writing a love letter to collaborative SMP servers in his let’s play where he said they were the future of the medium. (Guys please let him in he wants to play touys let him in let him be friends)
3. The clip from one of the secret streams where he talks about why he left Mindcrack. When Etho got choked up talking about leaving Mindcrack…the subtle betrayal due to the potential that he would have to expose his real identity to the group to stay a member (and potentially some issues related to his other friends including his bestie Bdubs being ousted at the same time)
A lot of Etho’s relationship to Guude is tied to his experience with Mindcrack, which makes it really tragic. The last few videos of his Mindcrack series where he’s walking around and barely anyone is on the server are eerie to watch as a viewer now. The dramatic irony is almost physically painful. Very weird pieces of media to watch as someone who only started watching vids from the Mindcrack era recently.
Guide still has positive things to say about Etho and Bdubs based on that recent drunk stream, but that bridge was probably burned a long time ago.
Juxtaposed with these things:
Hermitcraft six Etho skipping the season of hermitcraft because he thought his viewers didn’t care for it (no one wanted to play touys and he didn’t have strong relationship with any hermits that weren’t former Mindcrackers)
Hermitcraft seven Etho rejoining because (?)
(mostly only hung out with bdubs, beef, and doc. )
Hermitcraft ten Etho’s relationship with the hermits. (Friends to play with and a nice stable community-he feels safe and is coming out of his little goofball shell again)
you seeing this shit guys? My anons are more invested in guudetho than I am
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reckless-rider · 2 years ago
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idek who this etho guy is but i voted for him anyways in the sexyman poll just out respect for sheer amount of propaganda you're putting on my dash
like, i know he's one of those guys from dsmp (... I'm pretty sure?) but literally nothing else lmao
AS YOU SHOULD HES THE ULTIMATE TUMBLR SEXYMAN!!! (Sorry Cleo)
Omg I have Etho history and lore to share!!!! He's one of my favorite mcyts!!!
Ok so starting off, he's apart of a formally popular minecraft server, Mindcraft (Season 1 and season 2) and he's currently apart of Hermitcraft, he is also apart of other servers! He also has a lets play that has been going on since 2010, when the Minecraft Beta first came out! Currently, his lp has 575 episodes as of January of this year!
He plays quite a bit of modded minecraft as well, currently its on episode 10 of season 2.
Along with playing on Mindcrack, he participated in UHC where he supposedly got a reputation for being an incredibly good pvp player. Everyone was scared of him during 3rd life/last life/double life, its bc he plans ahead to take out other players instead of being reckless.
Basically, 3rd life/last life/double life is where you have 3 lifes and on the last life you have an obligation to kill other players. Once they loose all their lives they are out of the game. (BEST team my beloveds <3). Double life is pretty much the same thing except players are put into an enclosed border with on enchanting table given "soulmates" and players share a health bar with their randomized soulmate. Etho's was SmallishBeans
He's been apart of Hermitcraft since season 3. In season 7, he created a shop called Shade-E-E's where he would move the shop once the inventory was emptied or GTWS found it. He did this so GTWS couldn't tax him.
In season 8, he joined the no wings club and was a member for 1000 days. I think in this season as well, he made the horse course for the other Hermits and he made a face for the base he shared with Iskall.
He played a bit of terraria in 2013 but I haven't really watched his terraria series.
Ok some fun facts:
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This skin is Kakashi from Naruto and he has only changed it once bc it had his face on the chest.
During one of Minecrafts April fools updates, they named a slab Etho Slab
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Hes a programmer and he has a small allergy to soda
Also, he's scared of ZombieCleo, I currently don't know the reason lmao
Etho wiki and Etho youtube
This is a great Etho Propaganda post by @/catmaidetho with other facts
If you have any questions lmk!!
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icyanz · 2 years ago
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Etho LPS EVERY ethogirl needs to watch
- his lp. This is a given. From episode 1 to episode 500-and-something. Watch them all. (This is a task not even I have completed but BY GOD I WILL DO IT SOMEDAY)
- legendary. I'm bias bc I've seen this lp like 50+ times but TRUST ME it's so fucking good
- mindcrack season 3. And season 4 if you want rhat one was pretty good too. TW for mindcrack s3 tho the r slur gets used by other members sometimes, so i understand if you don't want to watch it. Other than that, many many great moments
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lorephobic · 2 years ago
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did u guys know that within the first year of knowing bdubs, etho uploaded 162 videos from series that either heavily feature bdubs (all the ooges) or series that at least have him as a member and therefore have potential interactions (mindcrack + mindcrack uhcs)
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malzanya · 1 year ago
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dude i'm trying to mentally compile a list of hermitcraft members and it's going so wrong. i got Guude (incorrect), "bdubs brother who's name i forget" (it's pungeance, former member. i thought of him before bdubs himself), cleo (ding!), etho (correct but i was still thinking of mindcrack), xephos (not even close)
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fearmypaintbrush · 2 years ago
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Hermitcraft get’s its name from the founder of the server, GenericB, known as ‘the gaming hermit’, but left the server after season 1 to join Mindcrack
Hermitcraft was originally criticized heavily by some in the Minecraft community for being a knockoff of Mindcrack, despite members of both groups being friends.
Doc, Etho, Iskall, Beef and Bdubs are all former Mindcrack members and many still participate in charity events and the Mindcrack Marathon
Pearl is the current youngest member of Hermitcraft as of season 9
Joe Hills is (or at least was) an admin and once cleared his inventory when trying to clear chat
Impulse was summoned into the server Beetlejuice style by Tango, Mumbo and X
Doc has an actual PhD and worked as a nurse for awhile. He also played basketball, his nickname was ‘The Doctor’ and his uniform number was 77, hence the username DocM77
Mumbo was unable to participate in one of the earlier season’s dragon fight (i swear it was 2 but I tried for 30 minutes to find the video I remember to no avail) because he didn’t want to wake his parents up, so he offer encouragement through the chat instead.
X’s episode numbers are so large because he never resets between seasons. He just keeps them going.
The Hivemind that Doc mentions is just the members and the affiliates in the server.
We fans hold just as much power over Doc’s skin as the Mojang devs, as seen by the time that those of us on Tumblr + Scicraft bullied him into adding crocs to his skin in season 7.
If you needed any more proof that the Hermits are all insane, Season 3 was played on an amplified world. Before elytra.
ok so since it's just occurred to me that the fandom is constantly growing and changing and learning, there's some bits of hermit backstory that I know that others might not. hermitfacts coming up:
the server was built as an equal mix of builders and redstoners (and then Joe Hills was added as a WILDCARD to shake things up)
season two only happened because Joe Hills ran a coup
tango is the father of the iron farm, before 1.14 made iron farms easy, your best bet was to ask tango. tango also modded villagers before the villager update
etho invented the etho hopper clock, revolutionised the minecraft let's play, and inspired a lot of the server to play/film
impulse is the guy behind the item sorter, and he is a master of villager manipulation, with his villager breeder being in massive use
bdubs' brother, pungence, joined hermitcraft before he did and played for season one
iskall is behind the vault hunters mod and it's really cool and you should check it out
the way cub built concorp inspired Mojang to update the way villagers work
doc is friends with the Mojang game Devs (even if they took his arm)
Hypno runs the hermitcraft website, even when he's not active on the server
Welsknight came in to defend the others in a rap battle when he was away from the server
Stress runs a fitness channel alongside her Minecraft channel and being a parent
Joe hills used to have a webcomic and do drawing streams - he saw twitch be born, and will likely see twitch die
Scar got his start in call of duty
Joe Hills thought hermitcraft was a scam when he was invited
add your own!
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