#miku binder madison

[schnitzelsemmerl]

uhhhh i draw lots of weird stuff if you havent noticed yet

[kayooreh]

Thomas and his 2 James’es tgt pleaseeee ily

tjeff: we cant even chug shots of montepulciano and denigrate the intelligence of an entire race anymore. Because of Woke

[rdotvel]

THE GALS!!!!!

i cant draw women

the remaining

aaron burr

thomas jefferson (NO MIKU BINDER.)

james madison

maria reynolds

charles lee

samuel seabury

george washington

king george is still here trust i just dont know how to incorporate him but he’s a school board member

also do i still involve phillip just as like an 8th grader or smth???

[fdrsamericanflagduckfloaty]

Drop the Miku Binder TJ rant bestie

okay so like

i was just thinking about it, and, like, i think it's fucking nuts but also really weird how the hamilton fandom (which i'm in but i swear i'm not an uwu lams turtles shipper please) somehow took this CRUSTY, TERF-BANGED, UGLY, OLD, REDHEADED, RAPIST ASS MOTHERFUCKER,

and turned his ugly ass into this.

like damn what the hell- what- how???? okay like yeah, they're using daveed diggs as a base for this bullshit, which, okay, fine, but YOU DID NOT NEED TO ADD THE INFO. The idea itself is funny but also a bit weird, however im 99% sure Diggs himself wore that shirt. However, all of the extra info??? come on. Where'd the fandom get this istg y'all-

Also, also, they did something similar by making John Laurens (gay blonde dumbass) into an UWU turtles boy. ....why. Bi trash coffee gremlin tumblr over-worked sleep-deprived alexander hamilton. like yeah relatable but. why. small bean big sweater uwu innocent boy blushy short james madison. ...why. bro was stubborn and would pick a fight and was the 'fuck you' type of shy.

I just find it wild the fandom made this and it is the entirety of the fandom into one. There's the good sides, there's the bad, and there's this. Which encompasses the ENTIRE. FUCKING. FANDOM.

The fandom has its headcanons, it has its perks, but then you reach the side where everyone is just a wild fucking original character. They don't model the historical figures anymore- they're just OCs with the name 'Philip Hamilton' or 'John Laurens' or god forbid our third U.S president 'Thomas Jefferson' slapped onto it.

I'm also so confused as to how this is what the fandom is known for. We have some good fics, we have hella good art, we have a M U S I C A L , and then the first thought people have of the Ham fandom is Miku Binder Third President Founding Fucker Slaveowner Thomas Jefferson.

I also find it kind of offensive (almost put insluting oh my ufckjg-) that they made a founder become this but like he'd probably be really pissed so please keep fucking up his memory lmao he deserves it

But like... also why. What made them think of this.

Like yeah I write 20k word TR smut but you don't see me drawing it.

You don't see me making him an UWU e-boy.

...Eh I probably would for shits and giggles tbh

But like this is founding father Thomas Jefferson. Third Pres. Second VP. First Sec. of State. And he is a furry, ex-cocaine addict. Also btw do they mean John Laurens or John Adams as the former drug dealer part because neither are better but it'd really help

Also bro literally raped his 14 year old slave and had like 6 kids with her. He had her room DIRECTLY NEXT TO HIS. He RAPED HIS DEAD WIFE'S HALF-SISTER. AND HE'S A SAD UWU MAN WHO DID NOTHING WRONG?

Let's not forget this same person made a post saying Lizzie (the Queen) would be reincarnated as a horse when she died. I'm serious. Deadass.

However, it's also funny as fuck because this entire thing is a tarnish to Jefferson and I fucking HATE that bastard so like good job lol

At the same time though it's still super weird??? But insane??? Because how did this become one of the Tumblr exclusives??? like it's Tumblr history at this point. Twitter history. You cannot express any like for the Hamilton musical before you get the 'have you seen miku binder thomas jefferson' and it's like 'well shit'.

But also remember: THIS IS NOT AN OC TO FUCK AROUND WITH. Hamilton the Musical specifically gave you and presented you the founder. Thomas Jefferson. Played by Daveed Diggs. Just because it is played by a POC, but also modernized, and vastly different from the actual founder and President, does not mean that at its core it is NOT STILL THE SAME PERSON.

If you name it Thomas Jefferson, if you use the presentation of him given by Daveed Diggs, you are still using that white fucking slave-owning racist motherfucker, and that's the point of it all.

I find it stupid but funny but also insane, and I wouldn't care, unless I KNEW IT WAS SERIOUS. The artist made it seriously. They made John Laurens. They made Philip Hamilton. They did this seriously.

but like also look at this lmao

This meme of Thomas Jefferson in a Hatsune Miku binder really got trending on Twitter at one point

It's an infamous, hellish, classic meme of both Tumblr and the Hamilton fandom, and it deserves what attention it's got, but Jesus please never unironically make shit like this again, Hamilfans, we're stained by this we don't need another😭🔫

EDIT:

i have more

So like, I just remembered: it kinda romanticizes these guys??? The musical??? so like don't get me wrong i love the music but... it puts them into this light. This pink light. It paints Hamilton as an abolitionist who was outspoken about it. When, in reality, dude traded and sold slaves for his in-laws + wasn't all that outspoken about it + was against immigrants or migrants, WHEN DUDE WAS FROM THE ISLANDS. HE HAD SCOTTISH BLOOD. AND HE'S AGAINST IT? Hypocrisy at its finest.

Washington also owned slaves and ran his own plantation too, so he's not off the hook. Madison, the 'uwu small bean' of the fandom, also owned slaves and ran a plantation. So the main people of this entire fiasco are slave-owners. Perfect. But also I've heard Ron Chernow's book on Hamilton, the entire start of the musical, is a bit biased to Ham himself, so...

You could be saying 'but FDRsduckfloaty, Sally is mentioned!' yes. But however, not enough. Not more. It's not even implied more than potentially ONCE what he did, and I'm not sure it ever was! Cabinet battle 3 states it flat-out but it was cut. For your info, Ben Franklin and John Adams are the only two you can really like in the slavery aspect. Ben bought them but let them go for their freedom, and John detested slavery and was against it. Never owned one.

Jefferson did add a slavery clause to the declaration but it was discarded, and he didn't fight half as much as he could have. Maybe he did and since it was the 1700s he didn't have a lot of support, but surely he could've done something like, I don't know, call it out after his terms? Once you're done gaining your second term and out of office, they can't do shit to it or your presidency, since it's over.

So the musical itself has its own problem and the fandom is even worse. It blatantly disregards that a LOT. A hella lot of the amrev fandom + a small part of the ham fandom has called TJeffs out for it but I mean can we please not make shit like Miku Binder Jefferson and act like he wasn't an actual child rapist???

This video does pretty well at it. I will admit the tagline 'America then, told by America now' almost sends shivers down my spine for what it really means. But then again I find men not knowing they'd make it down into the history books for starting the world's global power and the world's economic powerhouse pretty interesting. Doing something big and knowing it's historical, but not that it's going to form a very, VERY large country, where you'll be honored down the road and called a Founding Father of an entire nation? Signing papers and not knowing they're the founding stones of a country and still looked up to today? Intriguing.

But like still fuck Thomas Jefferson lmao

there's a lot more videos on it that dig deep, but the point is, that Hamilton is a good musical with good songs but it's also very... complex, and a bit problematic, Thomas Jefferson is a little bitch, and you should stan 1776 before you ever stan Hamilton. 1776 does not do this. It is much more realistic. 1776 has Benjamin Franklin and that's an immediate win. Be more like a 1776, be less like a Hamilton.

[theoburrsvirginitybalcony]

thinking about what America would have been like if the founders weren't so ugly and bald. what if they were hot...... how different would things be. what if Madison didn't have three strands of hair he desperately clang to. what if Adams actually tried.

Omg ur so right... Like... What if Thomas Jefferson had a Miku binder

[h7p3r4ct1v3-h0rn3t2]

well i think if tumblr had a hamilton au then the onceler would be alexander hamilton and bill cipher would be aaron burr. oh and obviously miku binder jefferson takes the place of regular jefferson. and the theoretical teto binder madison as james madison. and jerma is there. idk who he is

[j-madison]

Sorry this is seriously just so weird. It's one thing to RP as a historical figure and I can accept that as long as they're at least trying to make it accurate to their personalities and not turn them into gay UwU cat boys, but why the fuck would you RP as Madison just to make him out to be a retarded toddler? "He turned into this after teleporting to this time" makes no sense whatsoever. You're just doing this, becuase Like, this is some fetish shit. He is a grown man, he did not act like this. UwU widdle Maddy can't even eat by himself 🥺🥺🥺🥺 this is seriously just more disrespectful and inaccurate than any historical RP I've seen here. And it's making me very uncomfortable how he's a helpless baby wandering around crying for dolly. This reminds me of the times when Miku binder Thomas Jefferson and little Alex wearing braces and a crybaby skirt were made.

I'm actually basing his version of Madison on his version in "I made America". He'll get over it eventually.

[wolfythewitch]

Okay so there are these two characters in the bible called David and Jonathan. And Jonathan helps David escape his murderous father who also happens to be the king, and in when David runs away with the knowledge that he might never see his friend again, he promises that between them, they will always look after each other's descendants

Once again Jonathan swore an oath to David because of his love for David. He loved David as much as he loved himself. 18 “Tomorrow is the New Moon Festival,” Jonathan told him, “and you will be missed when your seat is empty. 19 The day after tomorrow you will be missed even more. So go to the place where you hid on that other occasion, and stay by the rock. 20 I will shoot three arrows from beside it toward a target. 21 Then I will send out a boy and say, ‘Go, find the arrows.’ Now, if I tell the boy, ‘Look, the arrows are next to you; get them,’ then come back with me. You will be safe, and there will be no trouble. I swear it, as the Lord lives. 22 But if I tell the boy, ‘The arrows are next to you,’ then go, because the Lord has sent you away. 23 We have made a promise to each other, and the Lord is a witness between you and me forever.”

And kid me was like huh. That's so cool. I like when they're together :) I didn't know what shipping was but looking back on it I definitely shipped them

For Hamilton, it was the first fandom I was full participative in, meaning fanart and interacting with the community and stuff. I was there when the Thomas Jefferson mike binder was first posted. Say what you will about the miku binder, I learned a lot that day. I took art requests and someone requested James Madison in a dress. I was incredibly conservative at the time and went??? But I went with it, because hell why not. They said they hc him as trans, and I go huh. In my mind: "I don't support lifestyle that but you do you"

Yeah guess what happened a few years later.

Shoutout to the bible for teaching me about shipping and shoutout to Hamilton for teaching me about being trans

[noys-boise]

I'm reading back my old sketchbook (which for me sketchbooks are more like random ranting books with illustrations) and this was my absolute lowest point where I made a james madison protection squad except the only members were me and uwu miku binder jefferson (not actually but close)

Why

[kittyissac]

OK! Since Hamilton is going to probably get a surge in popularity, let’s avoid the issues that occurred the first time around.

Reminder that these are real people that are being depicted on screen. They are not your “uwu precious babies” that you can do whatever you want with. These are real life people, and although they have been dead for a long time, shipping them and headcanoning them as LGBT or something isn’t the best thing to do. Don’t do it. 

Remember that the depictions you see on stage are not actually how these people were. Manuel-Miranda said himself that he greatly toned down Alexander Hamilton because otherwise he’d be too unlikable. Thomas Jefferson wasn’t as outgoing and flamboyant in real life as Daveed Diggs portrays him as. He was a racist man who had a child with his underage slave.

90% of the people being portrayed were racist slave owners, yes, even Hamilton himself. Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Mulligan, and the Schuyler family all owned slaves at one point or another.

But, also some important things to remember is that the musical gave a lot of opportunities to actors of color, with most the roles except for King George being exclusive to non-white actors.(As far as I know) 

So please, for the love of God, enjoy the musical for what it is, a retelling of history, and not a fictional story. Please don’t have another instance of Thomas Jefferson in a Hatsune Miku binder. 

Please.

[schnitzelsemmerl]

you asked for it

[schnitzelsemmerl]

i feel like [insert character] binder james madison is gonna win, so please tell me who should be on maddy's binder (like how hatsune miku is on jefferson's)