#mike is straight

[mileven11forever]

Hey! I disagree with you completely but I respect that you seem to be a kind and respectful Mileven. So I’m curious.

What would you say to the idea that if Mileven is endgame, based on the way the story has been written especially in S4 (with Will being in every Mileven shot, Will’s painting inspiring Mike to monologue to El, paralleling Byler to Rovickie and other ships, just the whole story of building out Will’s feelings for Mike over 4 seasons in what would be a slowburn rejection if you’re right), the Duffers have inherently crafted a homophobic and problematic story?

Most Bylers don’t just believe Byler endgame makes the most sense for the story, nor do we just believe it would be queerbaiting because of promotion outside the show. We believe the story itself is deeply problematic when viewed through a Mileven endgame lens.

The idea that this kid Will would go through all of this suffering and that they’d emphasize the bond between Mike and Will in this way… the idea that Will would say “I’m not gonna fall in love” in S3 because he doesn’t believe there’s love for gay kids like him… the idea of the painting veiled confession… the idea that the writers would have Byler literally end the season together side by side alongside other canon couples… only to have Mike reject Will in S5?

We believe that to be horribly homophobic writing, so to us it’s not simply a question of which ship we like more like other ship wars in history, but a real moral line in the sand. We believe it’s either Byler endgame, or the show falls apart, and the writers have explaining to do.

It’s not that hypothetical story of a gay kid falling in love with his straight best friend is homophobic, it’s the specific narrative choices that would be surrounding Mileven endgame in this context, each of them completely avoidabl, each of them specific decisions the writers made.

Additionally, Bylers believe Mileven endgame would A) make the show’s writing weaker and less meaningful, B) make the show make significantly less sense from a writing standpoint, and C) go against the main themes of the narrative.

Lastly, if Will were a girl, based on the way Mileven and Byler have both been written, there’s no way Milevens wouldn’t see the clear love triangle. The only reason it’s difficult for some to see it is because of heteronormativity and the idea that Mike is straight because he has a girlfriend. If you remove that, there aren’t any barriers to at least seeing the clear triangle.

Thoughts?

I honestly just disagree. I don't think there's anything wrong with the story and the way it's being told. Will being in Mileven shots in season 4 is because it was from his POV in those moments. Will's painting didn't really inspire Mike's monologue, he just helped Mike find the courage to tell El how he really feels. And I don't really see the parallels people point out as being significant proof of anything. I do think Will's story will involve being rejected by Mike, while also being accepted by Mike as a friend. That's just what his story is, that's something a lot of queer people go through, there's nothing wrong with writing a character having to deal with and overcome that. I think it'll be an important part of Will's arc and character development. I don't see anything problematic or homophobic with any of that personally.

Yes, Will has suffered a lot unfortunately, but that's just his story, that's how life is for some people. He's unlucky and has just happened to be in these awful situations throughout his life, but that has nothing to do with Mike or his feelings. It's sad, but that's just how it is. Just like Will can't control how he feels about Mike, Mike can't control how he feels either, and that he loves El and just loves Will as a friend. It sucks that Will fell for his straight best friend, but that happens lots in real life too. And yeah, Will thinks he can't have love like everyone else because of his sexuality, and because of the time and place he lives in, which sucks, but also doesn't mean that he's automatically going to end up with his childhood crush. I think he should end up with someone eventually, but I just don't think it can be Mike. He needs to learn that he can have love and be loved, but just how he can't choose his sexuality, Mike can't either. They both can't change who they are, and that's ok.

I do think the painting will come up at some point and probably lead to Will's confession to Mike, but again, that's just Will finally sharing his feelings which has nothing to do with how Mike will respond. It'll be complicated, but Mike isn't going to just suddenly fall in love with Will when he finds out the truth about the painting.

And Mike and Will stand together at the end because they're friends. Just because the other pairs happen to be couples doesn't mean Byler is going to be endgame. That would be ridiculous in my opinion. I really don't understand when Bylers look so deep into little details like this and use that as evidence, it could literally mean nothing, or something other than Byler.

Once again, I don't think the writing choices the Duffers have made are homophobic, they just want to tell Will's story a certain way, and I don't see a problem with it.

I just don't agree. I think Mileven endgame is good writing, I think Byler endgame would make no sense. Mileven doesn't make the messages of the show any less meaningful in my opinion.

And yeah, I think that's probably true for some people. Heteronormativity is very prevalent and some people are definitely in denial about the obvious love triangle. I accept that there is a love triangle there, I just don't agree with a lot of people on how it will be resolved. Will likes Mike, El likes Mike, and Mike likes El. That's how I see it. I feel like the show has made this clear, and it's obvious which couple is actually happening in the canon story. Some Bylers just read a lot of meaning into things that I don't think was meant to be read like that.

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[justablogger234]

just a reminder

for any mileven shipper who has to put up with ridiculous byler crap or see anything even related byler today.

These morons are just upset that on this day el came into Mike's life and effectively ruined any chance of byler happening so hats off my friends

Also. To reiterate, byler never had any chance of being real anyway because mike is straight and I don't care who that offends. Thanks and have a good mileven day.

[mileven11forever]

Yes! This! <3

The very simple reason Mileven is endgame

.. is because it was ALWAYS meant to be end game. 

All right look. I’m going to put this as simply as I possibly can. 

Mileven is and always has been the core of the story. Yes, there are other people and characters that revolve around them but fundamentally, they are the two that hold the entire thing together. 

Without El, no one else would’ve been involved in anything. Not Mike, not his crew, not Hopper, not the teen squad - no one.  

Without Mike, El would’ve been taken back to the lab almost immediately and again no one would’ve been involved in anything.

The entire show revolves around them. Their immediate connection and love for each other is the central driving plot of the entire narrative.

All right now that that’s out of the way, let’s address a few things. (This got long so I’m putting in a cut) 

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[mileven11forever]

why y'all want Will to die?

y'all say mileven is endgame and there's no Byler but on the other hand y'all call Will homewrecker and "whore names", like, seriously??

i totally understand that everyone's got their own opinion and I know that people can dislike and even hate something that I love and I totally understand it. but wanting a child to die so that your favorite ship can become endgame is not an opinion at all. this is cruelty.

I don't want Will to die, and I honestly don't know whether he will or not. I used to think that he'll probably die in season 5 but now I'm not sure. He doesn't need to die for Mileven to stay together, because Mike loves El and I think he's made that pretty clear throughout the show. Mileven will still be endgame whether Will dies or not. But yeah, I actually kind of like Will so I don't really want him to die, but if that's how the Differs choose to conclude his story then that's up to them. I just want him to have whatever ending makes sense for his story and development as a character.

[smartsxylacy]

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[mileven11forever]

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[chloesimaginationthings]

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[sirfrogthe3rd]

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[the-real-lizzie-hearts]

“Mike rejecting Will is more realistic!”

You know what else would’ve been realistic? Steve being homophobic to Robin. You know what made an infinitely better show? The Duffers sticking to the theme of letting the outcasts win for once.