#me when the internet refuses to look into the moral nuance of the main character. again. š±š±š±š±
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āEurylochus killed those 500 men with Poseidonā incorrect Poseidon wouldāve killed them anyways āoh but they were almost homeā Poseidon is a literal god I can promise you he wouldnāt give a shit
#if you ask me I think we should be blaming the gods for most of this#poseidon killed 500 men because his son was hurt (after said son murdered a bunch of odyās men)#Zeus literally said āthis is the will of the godsā in the horse and the infant#aeolusās winions were the ones spreading doubt and rumors in keep your friends close#also Iām sorry but some of yall want to convince yourself ody is implicitly good so bad#me when the internet refuses to look into the moral nuance of the main character. again. š±š±š±š±#autism (mads) speaks#epic the musical#epic spoilers#epic the musical spoilers#epic the thunder saga#the thunder saga#thunder saga spoilers#thunder saga
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hua cheng, the accidental person
okay this is for @bodhimcbodeface because i canāt shut up and make this concise enough for discord. spoilers ahead yeehaw
this is...not comprehensive. iāve written 11 tgcf fics and am generally a bit fixated on Hua Cheng as a character so. thereās definitely things missing but i tried to hit the main points that i thought of while writing? also obviously this is just my interpretation! i do not expect anyone else to be likeĀ āah yes curio the sage is so correct i have changed my thinking on thisā like go live your life with your own versions of hua cheng! this is just the hill upon which i have firmly planted myself and from which i refuse to be budged. as u do.
anyway, LONG explanation of my very niche and very uh self-indulgent, not-necessarily-support-by-canon hua cheng apologism LMAO
tl;dr: (this is really Too Long iām sorry) I think Hua Cheng reluctantly becomes a person during his 800 years of searching, starting from a point where he views Xie Lian not as a person but as an immutable god and focus of devotion and developing into a person who doesnāt really acknowledge that heās a person because realizing that you want to live and do things for yourself is scary and overwhelming at times, and he ultimately falls in love with Xie Lian during the novel itself as he recognizes and is in wonder of the humanity of Xie Lian instead of his divinity or absolute judgment.
POINT 1: Hua Cheng doesnāt actually fall in love with Xie Lian till the ox cart
but curio! you say,Ā āmy beloved!ā he calls him his beloved! and the land of tender!!
shhh. IMO Hua Cheng is more Wuming than Hua Cheng for those 800 years. By which I mean, for most of that time heās, at his heart, a nameless soldier trying to find and serve his crown prince/general/god. He still views Xie Lian as this perfect and immaculate figureāa sculpture, a painting, a work of art that is untouchable and immutable. And heās utterly and wholly devotedĀ to that figure but devotion is not the same as love
So Hua Cheng is searching and trying to serve Dianxia all these years and then His Royal Highness finally ascends and is a god again and Hua Cheng shows up in all his glory to give this power and strength and wealth to serve him andā
and heās met not by a powerful and reckless martial god or an unstoppable calamity but by a young man dressed in bridal robes who lets Hua Cheng lead him up a darkened mountain, who doesnāt lash out with spiritual energy or a sword but instead, only eventually, with the cursed bandage he was carrying back in the darkest part of his life.
and i think that throws hua cheng. like heās had this image of his god all these years, this divine painting made over and over and over againāand he carries that belief and devotion with him, but thereās a crack in the sculpture and the stone is starting to flake off to reveal a human underneath it
so he puts on an approachable, malleable, unassuming skin and finds xie lian collecting scraps and being a lil awkward, a lil bumbling, generous and kind ā and i think hua cheng, after 800 years of knowing everything, having everything ā I think he looks at this discovery with wonder
Bc tbc this does not mean Hua Cheng views them as equals. For him itās like, dianxia has even more to him, is even more than I knew. Heās seen Xie Lian as the flower crowned martial god in all his glory and as the white-clothed calamity in all his horror ā and now here he is, wonderful, multitudinous, and human
Meanwhile I donāt think Hua Cheng even views himself as a person really, much less a human.
also i mean. the internet & allo ppl prove time and time again that you donāt need love for horniness so. land of tenderās right out as proof on that
POINT 2: The Live For Me thing
so obviously and undeniably, using one person as a reason for living is....not healthy. Not going to argue that. but my take on it personally is that, when Hua Chengās a kid who really, actively wants to die and sees no reason for living, Xie Lian gives him a reason to keep going. he doesnāt have to live for himselfāthatās too much, thatās too big of an askābut heās been given a command and purpose by the one person whoās been kind to him/whom he respects. itās a little like...Ā āMy life has no meaning but my cat needs me to feed him and clean his litterbox and so I need to keep getting up and taking care of him even if I donāt see a larger intrinsic purpose to my life.ā
and i think like...itās easy to forget that for all of books 2 & 4, Hua Cheng is young. He doesnāt live past 18āheās still like...a kid. And thatās not to say that teenagers/young adults canāt make moral and rational decisions but Iām going to be honest, when I was that age I contemplated joining the Air Force because of tuition assistance and the snazzy uniform despite the fact that I was a vocal pacifist and repeatedly got into arguments with teachers about school rules and conservative politics. Itās not like. The Most Rational and Mature Age, lbr.Ā
so Wuming is absolutely capable of looking at what Xie Lian is doing and being likeĀ āhey maybe war crimes arenāt a great ideaā but he is young and traumatized and the one person he believes in, the one person who gave him a reason to keep going, is deadset on this task which tbh I donāt think either of them (or...necessarily...the society in which they live) views as war crimes in the modern sense (which isnāt to say that we as readers should view it any more lightly bc i think the narrative directly and firmly contradicts that idea) but as revenge, as an eye-for-an-eye. so, bad, but character-wise, I think itās more nuanced than we sometimes consider
anyway back to the fixation on xie lian. i stand by the assertion that in those 800 years, hua cheng wasnāt exclusively focused on xie lian. like was finding and serving him his top priority? oh god yes. undeniably. there is no other version of this story. BUT eight hundred years is like....a lot of time. and i think in that time he started doing things for himself, even if under the guise of serving xie lian. hua cheng is curious and adventurousāhe clearly likes to learn even if he plays it off as nbdāand i think he starts to realize that about himself in those centuries even if he doesnāt allow himself to acknowledge or consider it.Ā
POINT 3: Mt. Tongālu in General
āokay, sure but what about the thousands of sculptures and murals of xie lian, curio. what the fuck about them.ā
Yeah. FINE. okay we will DEAL with this. dealing with this is the entire reason i wrote ā(like i do) in the tall grass.āĀ
disclaimer: this is probably not supported by canon! i also. Do Not care. My Ghost King Now.
so I have two general avenues I take with this:
going back to the devotion > love ā when Hua Cheng reaches MTL, heās seen xie lian beaten and cast down. what do gods need to survive? worship! we see throughout how important divine statues/portraits/etc. are throughout canon. in this interpretation, the cave is a concentration of all that worship in an effort to support and serve xie lian and hua cheng doesnāt view himself like...as part of it. the sculptures could have been carved by any hand so long as they are xie lian and the worship and devotion that goes into their making can support and bolster him.
my personal favorite version: amNESIA IN THE CAVES āokay i donāt have the text pulled up rn but yāknow how Guoshi says Hua Cheng was almost dispersed, in terrible condition, etc., when he reached Mt. Tongālu. so if baby boy is in terrible condition, barely hanging on, etc., then my immediate favorite option is that he doesnāt, at that time, have even the...uh threadbare sense of self he did in life/as Wuming and is running on only a vague and urgent sense of Something driving himāsomething he has to do, someone he has to serveāand in that case, the paintings and sculptures are part of his trying to piece together and process his memories as he can grasp them and figuring out who he is/what his purpose is. Is this canonical? PROBABLY NOT. and yet here i am. firmly planted on this hill
Also w/ MTL I think a thing thatās often skated over is the mortals, creation of Eāming, and his ascension. Which is important from a meta lens of Hua Cheng and Xie Lian vs Jun Wu but thatās not the point of this rambling monstrosity and iām trying not to get too distracted. ANYWAY I think this is one of those times when Hua Cheng does something that he would probably excuse as likeĀ āwell His Highness wouldāve wanted me toā orĀ āHis Highness wouldnāt have been willing to sacrifice the mortalsā because Xie Lian is still largely his moral compassābut it also is a peek at the complexity Hua Cheng doesnāt acknowledge within himself.
uh i got distracted anyway and no longer know what point i was making here. Hua Cheng Ascension Important....maybe i will remember this at some other point...
POINT 4: Live For Me (Revisited)
I sort of got distracted writing that point but anyway coming back to it now: I maintain that although Hua Chengās primary pursuit is protecting and serving Xie Lian he also does develop/realize his Accidental Personhood throughout his 800 years. this includes a lot of things, as previously stated, that are under the guise of serving Xie Lian (Iād put learning the Banyue tongue, finding out about the Gilded Banquet, collecting swords, beating the 33 officials etc., in this category) and things that maybe could be but...are not really (e.g., his friendship alliance with He Xuan, Paradise Manor* in general, the Gambling Den, learning the Wuyong tongue, bullying Qi Rong*, bullying FengQing*, playing with gold foil palaces, etc.)
(*these are ones that like...could be said to be for Xie Lian and I think he might say are for Xie Lian but also have a personal element that is just for him.Ā
Like yes Paradise Manor is a lavish and well-stocked residence fit for a god or crown prince...but itās also a luxurious and extravagant collection of all the things he couldnāt have in life. itās like giving a kid a credit card with no limit and letting them run wild through uh. Fuck. A Fancy Department Store.Ā
And sure Qi Rong was awful and turned on Xie Lian in pretty damning ways, but I also genuinely think part of Hua Chengās grudge with him is from the childhood abuse and from just...hatred that Qi Rong is around and looks like Xie Lian and gets to be there when Hua Cheng canāt find Xie Lian (which is aboutĀ Ā Xie Lian but for Hua Cheng).Ā
Similarly with FengQing, sure a lot of his hate is for them abandoning Xie Lianābut he doesnāt even know till Book 3 when they abandoned him, and consider how much more he hates Mu Qing, the guy he blames for kicking him out of the army, etc. Some of it is totallyĀ āin serviceā to Xie Lian but some of it is because Hua Cheng carries a grudge like a goddamn pro and finds catharsis in beating the shit out of immortals who bounce back and canāt stop tripping over themselves and onto his blade.)
#hua cheng#tgcf#tgcf meta#long post#i'm sorry i cannot be concise or clear with my thoughts :<#this is why i write fic#bc i can just mash these interpretations through prose and then they turn out more clearly#....i think#i hope anyway bc this sure as fuck isn't that clear
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Ready Player Two: The Mysognistās Love Song
This is a review. Spoilers & typos to follow:
I enjoyed Ready Player One (RP1). It was quirky and fun. The dystopian setting was disturbing, especially as the kid who served as the storyās protagonist didnāt actually do much to make the world a better place, once he became its newest prince. Weāre told from the git-go that the world is spiraling downhill, and what does Wade/Parzival do at the end? The bare minimum. He lets the debtors go. He shares his riches with his friends. Well, he was literally just a teenager, and most assuredly a feral one, at that, so you could excuse his lack of vision. Certainly there would be a Ready Player Two (RP2) that would redeem our child champion?
Haha, no.
RP2 is the story of what happens to a neglected impoverished child when he lucks into immense privilege, but lacks the heart, charm, or charisma to be anything other than a hermit and an incel. Where Harry Potter could arguably be said to have started from a similar circumstance, yet grew into an actual savior role in his fight against Voldemort & the Death Eaters, Wade Wattsā character in RP2 is unabashedly a less-loveable version of Donald Trump in a world where he is, in all practicality, king.Ā
As RP2 begins, Wade owns everything. Not just the Oasis, but a futuristic tech that allows one to record their own visceral experience of being alive. This tech, called ONI, goes even more viral than the Oasis, and makes Wade rich beyond the human mindās ability to calculate. He has power--so much power, he can control anything. He is literally the richest man in the world, and most assuredly its most envied/hated. Nothing is out of reach for him--and though his friends from RP1ā²s āGunting days are portrayed focusing on developing real relationships (marriages, babies, etc.), working on improving their environments, and delivering aid to their communities, our dear Wade simply pines for the one thing that eludes him: Samantha, aka Artemis, his fierce and determined love interest from RP1.
He brags about the one week he spent in seclusion with Samantha in a bedroom. He talks way too often of his other sexual exploits via ONI, allowing him to experience sex from the POV of other men, women, transpeople, and non-binary folks. He has done the deed every which way but loose, and author Ernest Cline is as eager to share those details with the reader as he is the spout off acronyms and descriptions of fictional technology. Whereas the latter will have you yawning in boredom, the former will simply turn your stomach. Raise your hands if you were hoping for more cybersex in RP2. Anyone? Anyone? Right.Ā
Before I delve too deeply in how important it is for even blockbuster authors like Cline to CONSENT TO QUALITY EDITORIAL INPUT, I need to outline some important problems with this story beyond āWhatās wrong with Wade, items 1-999.ā
Samantha is justly described to have turned her back on Wade over some important issues. She is a woman of integrity, and for years Wade stalks her virtually, even though in all reality he grows a smaller and smaller figure from her past. Think about any woman you know who moves on and gets things done in life: they do not sit around pining for a dickhead ex who they slept with once, years prior. They just donāt. Samantha, however, despite all her success, integrity, and morals...just canāt help but fall back in love with Wade.
All powerful Wade. Involuntarily celibate (in the āEarl,ā as Cline calls āin real life,ā [IRL]), plugged into the internet from his spinal column or brain stem or whatever, 12 hours per day Wade. Childish destroyer of dissenting user accounts Wade. Stalker Wade.
Although Samantha refuses to make eye contact with him for years, the moment he needs her help...poof. Sheās back on his jock like static cling, if I may borrow Clineās penchant for quoting nostalgia in lieu of creating new content.
While Samanthaās inexplicable change of heart is problematic enough, it is only foreshadowing for a bigger problem with the story. Wade, as owner of the Oasis and all that digital shit, ends up on a quest to restore the Sirenās Soul. This is the āegg huntā of RP2. Instead of eggs, this time heās hunting shards, which is fitting, really, because Cline left me feeling sharted on by earlier than midway through the text.Ā
Where were we? The shards. Right.
The singular essence of Kira Underwood, constantly referred to as āOgās wife,ā has been divided into seven shards and hidden around the Oasis--that is, until the end of the story when Cline mercifully hid the last two together. I might have wept if the story had gone on one chapter longer than necessary. When the shards are collected and merged, they will...? What? Oh, they will coalesce into the actual soul of the departed woman. They will bring her back, digitally.
Now, not only is it creepy on many levels that Wade--letās call him Parzincel--is repeatedly referred to as Kiraās owner, but his idol before him, James Halliday, is characterized has having created this ONI technology for the main purpose of bringing Kira back, so that a digital version of himself could finally possess her. While āthou shalt not covet thy neighborās wife,ā is certainly a handy commandment, āthou shalt treat women as FUCKING PEOPLE WITH THEIR OWN INHERENT RIGHTSā would perhaps be a better placard to engrave and set on the desk of Halliday--to then be passed down to Wade. It never seems to dawn on Parzincel that he has no right to possess Kira, or any other ONI user.Ā
The in-game avatar of Halliday eventually explains that Kiraās āsirenā avatar was able to explain to him that possessing her, manipulating her, etc. was wrong--but ONLY after Halliday hooks himself up the ONI and lives some of Kiraās experiences. Cline plays Halliday off in both books as an Aspergian genius, someone very high functioning on the Autism Spectrum, but as the mother of a young man with autism, I am beyond disgusted at the idea that you would have to hook one living being up to another human beingās synapses for them to have ANY understanding that the other person is a free, competent human being with agency of her own. Kira is repeatedly characterized as an artistic genius with a great heart. She, like Samantha, is demonstrated to be loving and kind. Generous. And yet both Kira and Samantha are primarily belongings for men to possess, control, pursue, and lose. Oh, if only they did lose them...because of course, they donāt. In Parzincelās dream future, the best thing he can do is create a double of himself, so that he can experience the inexplicable love of Samantha in the āEarlā as well as in an ONI paradise.Ā
Kira, as the āfirst stable AI,ā is never once shown having any sort of existential crisis. She simply loves being a pretty plaything for Wade and Jim and Og, digitally--and naturally she is āstill in love with Og.ā Okay, whatever. By this point in the story, Og and Kira are nothing more than paper dolls set up to somehow replace Wadeās missing mother/father figures. You can almost see the author sitting spraddle leg on the floor of his study, pushing dolls around. āYou are the mommy now, and you are the daddy...and Wade is the baby! Now kiss!ā
In a world as technologically advanced as that of RP2, there would be nuances to digital characters, right? If only there were nuances in the humans who created them, I suppose.
Clineās Parzincel has a weird weird weird way of looking at women. So does Halliday. Even the benevolent Og only barely registers as showing any interest in Kiraās consent, and then, only when he is, himself, close to death. Itās like Cline knew the only decent human being in this story was Ogden Morrow--and possibly Kira. We donāt really get to spend enough time with the Kira character to know.Ā
But why would we? We are just readers, and she is, after all, Ogās wife.
I wonāt get started on the Lo-Five or what he did to Aech. Iāll let Tim take over for that bit.
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