#me when i’m literally insane: what if people think i’m a misogynist for not having any cis female she/her ocs

[eye-of-yelough]

not a he/him lesbian but i believe in their beliefs. by which i mean i find it so so difficult to create a lesbian oc without giving them he/him pronouns

[inthehouseoffinwe]

Aite, female character and general inclusivity rant incoming. Hate it and want to make a post? Sure. But give me the respect I gave those who inspired this and don’t tag me in it:

People immediately bringing the ‘female character’ argument into things drives me insane. Like we know she’s a female character, but trust me, that’s got very little to do with why people dislike her.

Are some people misogynistic? Absolutely!

Are most people misogynistic? No.

When we talk about Galadriel, and Luthien, and Elwing, and Aredhel, and Nimloth, and Melian, and Nerdanel, and Ahsoka, and Padme, and *insert literally any female character from any fandom here*, being female has nothing to do with it. It barely crosses our minds.

So for the love of all that is good, stop bringing ‘but she’s a female character! Anyone who sees her as anything but perfect, or thinks the male characters made better choices than her is obviously horrible and misogynistic and would never do this to a man :(‘ Into arguments.

I don’t care how few there are in the work. You can explain why you like her without blaming people for hating on the fact she’s female when 95% don’t. There are very literally hundreds of other reasons people interpret fictional events which portray the fem char negatively.

Especially in work like the Silm which is written by a canonical in-universe historian with basic backstory. We have every right to see him as unreliable and play with what that could mean. Doesn’t make it misogynistic if we want to see female characters as more shifty than they’re outwardly portrayed. Many of us often do the same with male characters, and even if we don’t, you have no right to judge someone so harshly when you barely know a thing about them outside an online persona. 99.9% of people don’t even consider male vs female when they write these things. And it’s not because of some weird subconscious misogyny either.

This is mainly aimed at those who bring this up over. And over. And over again in some weird attempt at guilt tripping people into ‘liking’ characters.

On the topic of things people do that make no sense, if characters are stated as being white, and an artist draws them all white. You have no right to say they’re being racist or whatever else you want to come up with.

Nor do you have the right to slander anyone who casually points out the character is white if others draw them as anything else. If we can call out whitewashing, we can talk about the opposite too. As long as the person isn’t being outright rude, have a conversation.

And don’t get me started on tagging pieces of fanart and fics specifically created platonic with a ship. Like the work? Great! Now respect the intentions of the person who created it.

No one in a fandom space, especially artists and writers, owes inclusivity of any kind when running off canon source material. You want to blame someone for a boring cast, blame the author! But even in general? You don’t get to force or guilt others to create content - original work included - that fits your ideal.

Yes I’m a writer and artist of original and fan content. Yes I’ve experienced all of these directly or indirectly.

Sincerely, a young brown woman tired of all the double standards.

[rivetgoth]

Can I be honest I see tguys say stuff like this all the time and it’s just so fucking crazy sounding to me. I can’t believe how many of them felt some kind of camaraderie or community with cis women. I was consistently ostracized by women and girls in my life for my not being able to successfully assimilate into girlhood/womanhood and almost exclusively friends with boys through my entire childhood. My closest “female” friends growing up literally all came out as FTM around the same time I did. When I was fully “female”-passing pre-everything closeted etc I was still treated like a freak for being in the women’s room & at the very minimum was presumed gay throughout middle and high school to the point that I was called slurs & people would tease me by asking me how lesbians have sex with each other etc. I don’t mean to like invalidate people or say that these people’s experiences aren’t valid but I just think it’s crazy how common of a narrative “lamenting losing your community with fellow women” is in the FTM community when not only is that like a lifetime away from my experience but tooooons of WOMEN I know don’t even feel a universal camaraderie with fellow women 😭 Black women, trans women, autistic women, butch women (and obviously all those categories can overlap), even just cis women who were Weird Girls, I’ve talked to many who didn’t feel any of what OP is describing…

Crazier too (& I always see comments like this too) is people in the comments of this post being like “yeah OP being a man sucks because men are so cruel to each other and aren’t gentle and warm like women are and men’s bathrooms suck and are nasty and grimy and you can’t compliment women without being seen as a creep,” and I also don’t get that shit. Just detransition if you hate being a man that much bro I’m out here living as a man because I want to. I remember the time this goofy trans guy wrote some article going on and on about how the men’s restroom is a cold disgusting space of toxic masculinity and internalized homophobia and how men are performatively cruel to each other in there so they don’t seem gay or something and it was just. Incomprehensible to me (I’d seen that article and hated it before this even happened, but that SAME GUY later wrote some insane “how to pick up trans girls” article about how to seduce trans girls that was literally insanely dehumanizing, creepy, and misogynistic, shocker). I’ve been in men’s rooms all over the damn place in conservative areas liberal areas in foreign countries and men’s bathrooms are just. Fine. They’re fine. I think it’s really overshooting to assume some unspoken hostility when men in bathrooms aren’t super social because the social dynamic of men’s rooms has always made perfect sense to me lmao the goal is to spend as little time around the damn toilets as possible and just do your business and get out without bothering people or holding anyone up.

Idk. I don’t really have a uniform thesis in all this I just think it’s one of the most bizarre frequent things I see from the FTM community—so many guys seem to genuinely hate being men and feel that they felt some warm connected community with womanhood and this even comes out in way more genuinely toxic ways, the guy who wrote the weird “how to seduce trans women” drivel being case in point, or like, mis/degendering trans women by claiming they don’t understand the like innate female connection™️ that they have or by sounding like straight up incels being like “oh women are so beautiful and soft and kind meanwhile as a man I’m forced to be alone and suffer in silence the male loneliness epidemic is real” or whatever. Like I’d understand and be much more interested in analysis from trans men about the pitfalls of identifying with manhood in relation to patriarchal power structures or how harrowing it can be to be accepted as a man in a community of men and be made privy to the way some men will so brazenly speak about women in their presence and how to navigate that, but it’s never even about hating manhood as an oppressive force or dealing with actual bigotry from fellow men, it’s about feeling like manhood is isolating and lonely while womanhood is warm and connected and community-oriented and I just find that kinda batshit and just not. True. I have cishet male friends who tell me they love me, who offer to go with me into the bathroom to help me throw up if I’m too drunk, who wish me happy birthday with heart emojis…

I honestly think a lot of the problem here is that a lot of trans men have exclusively female friends pre-coming out (which again is still kinda wild to me, but w/e) and then when they do come out and begin transitioning feel the divide form between them and their cisgender girl friends and become convinced this is some epidemic of male isolation rather than like. Just the reality of having old friends who you could relate to more at a different point in your life. I think making more male, trans, and LGBT in general friends would really make a difference for these people. And just generally making friends that are contingent on more than “we were assigned the same sex at birth.” As an adult now I’m pretty discerning with who I’m friends with and I have amazing friends who are both cis men and women & trans men and women and I don’t feel like I have trouble relating to them or feeling left out by any of them. I guess ultimately it’s harmless unless it becomes the weird spiraling incel stuff I was talking about before but I find it kinda incomprehensible how often ��I hate being a man” is uttered in spaces comprised of people who are undergoing massive trial and tribulation medically, physically, socially, financially, etc with the express purpose of being a man.

[drizzledrawings]

there's literally no reason for people to suicide bait you or send death threats to you over AN ARTWORK. they shouldn't be doing it period, and it's insane that people think it's a normal thing to do. as a genderqueer person myself I think your coyote piece is lovely, and I really resonated with its metaphor, especially since I love western wildlife imagery. when I'm put in a group of women it does feel that way; like I'm a pest because I'm not really a woman, but I sure kinda look like one!

people are acting like you made a piece that was "I'm not like other girls meeehhh" and like... no. that doesn't even apply because you're so different from other girls that you AREN'T EVEN A GIRL. those who are responding negatively to this have probably never had this struggle, and are blatantly ignoring that you are trying to explain that struggle literally in the artwork.

art is interpreted differently by every person, and with that being said, if some people think they disagree or are offended with what a piece says, they should be responding to your work with questions, analysis, and benefit of the doubt, not borderline violence!! it's clearly a personal piece and thus must be handled with care.

Dude thank you so much!! You totally get it!!

Of course art can be interpreted differently but blatantly ignoring what the artist is saying is very silly behaviour lolol even the ones who aren’t sending death threats just completely ignore the comments I’ve left, disregarding my identity, telling me that I’m misogynistic for not identifying as a girl, and other things along those lines. It’s crazy

The creator of an artworks intended message should always be taken into account when analyzing a piece, especially when trying to paint a narrative of supposed bigotry

The overwhelming support of this piece drastically outweighs the negatives, so I’m glad almost everyone understands the artwork, and many relate to it!

[cabeswaterdrowned]

I've never watched pretty little liars but tell me about your favourite pll femslash.

Hi I think I wrote half of a response to this a while ago but it got lost somewhere… starting over so I’m such a multi shipper between the pll women that I think it would be more appropriate to tell you my top 5 rn.

Vandermarin —- (Hanna Marin & Mona Vanderwaal)

I tried to choose pics from the pll wiki gallery for each of these dynamics I thought encapsulated the dynamic and its gayness as well as two random images can. In this case the image on the left is Mona lovingly visiting Hanna in the hospital after Mona herself drove a car over Hanna, because they fought/Mona is jealous that Hanna has affection for people who are not her and also Hanna was too close to uncovering her identity as A the nameless faceless entity that badly wants Hanna to break up with her boyfriend and leave her friends and only hang out with Mona but we’re meant to think Mona is straight…. and the right image is after Hanna has found out Mona’s identity at the evil mastermind to her troubles but she’s still visiting her ex wife in the mental asylum, and lying to her boyfriend about it and the show plays every beat of this like Hanna is cheating on her boyfriend. Insane. They’re the love story of pll because literally if Mona wasn’t obsessively unhealthily in love with Hanna the whole plot of the show would not have happened. An undersung toxic yuri queerbait for the history books I seriously think it’s deeply misogynistic they don’t get their due in this department. 

Spemily (Spencer Hastings & Emily Fields).

This is so funny to me because these two images perfectly encapsulate the dynamic. Either they are soo in sync getting coffee for each other and detecting murders together and stabilizing/calming each other, or they are having the Messiest fights and bickering/getting on each others nerves like a married couple going through their third divorce. I joke about them being adansey coded for this reason, also there’s a dynamic of a class difference and Emily/Adam call out Spencer/Gansey for it similarly and Spencer/Gansey being protective towards Emily/Adam in a way the latter doesn’t like or feels infringes on their autonomy. Great stuff, I have a type. And speaking of..

Monison (Mona Vanderwaal & Alison Dilaurentis)

There are other gay pictures of them interacting but I chose the left image as Mona cleaning the dirt off Alison, the girl who bullied her, after pulling her out of a grave (Alison was buried alive this night and it’s a whole thing but not really relevant to this post) and they’re in a motel in the lost woods. There’s another scene from this flashback that’s Mona kissing Alison’s forehead but I can’t find a cap anywhere (I also couldn’t find a cap of her kissing Hanna’s cheek the homophobia). The one on the right is Mona’s shrine to Alison that’s in her evil lair girl literally was so obsessed with and in love with girl who bullied her and wanted to wear her skin and also for her to stop existing and also to be loved by her and then she made the love of her life Hanna into her own personal Alison doll… wild stuff. They’re also a bit adansey coded imo (and Hanna/Alison didn’t make this list but they’re rather Jordanessy coded imo). They’re also really gay for each other on the spin off which is not a good show but did give me crumbs. 

Spona (Spencer Hastings & Mona Vanderwaal)

Sometimes / in the past this has been no.3 I’m just in a very Monison mood rn so it’s fourth rn. The left image is of their psychosexually charged debate scene and the right is Mona trying to get Spencer’s attention at a political rally. Will say no enough of their really gay scenes are appropriately represented in that wiki gallery but I did the best with what I had. Overachiever x Overachiever but one is an evil mirror of the other,  the actresses have a ridiculous amount of chemistry, there’s a whole arc where Mona wants to corrupt Spencer and is furious when Spencer “turns her down” and seeks to ruin her life so she has no choice to accept her… another toxic yuri of all time. They’re also my two favorite characters on the show individually (although I love all six of the main women) so that gives an extra something special to their scenes for me. 

Arison (Aria Montgomery & Alison Dilaurentis)

left image is a flashback to them eating frozen yogurt together while bullying Mona, right is Aria’s hallucination of Alison that she has when her father’s girlfriend who looks a bit like Alison and who Alison wanted Aria to tell her mother about Byron’s affair with poisons her, again sadly there were fewer images in the gallery for them but. This is a really fascinating relationship to me and one I wrote a fic about that Imran quite proud of when I first got into pll a couple years ago. Aria is the only one of Alison’s friends she treats kind of as an equal rather than a subject or a rival, she’s very fascinated by the way Aria lives freely rather than at the whims of other people and Alison develops an alter ego that looks a lot like Aria, Vivia Darkbloom. She also gets into a relationship with an older guy while acting a lot like Aria and then this same guy (who is a predator and groomer but the show never addresses these dynamics as such L) goes after Aria after Alison’s death. Also Alison secretly took pictures of Aria while she was sleeping and hid them places and when they were uncovered her brother makes a comment about how Alison always hid things and it was almost second nature to her don’t remember the exact quote but it reeks of internalized biphobia to me (Alison is canonically a bi character it’s just that the show defines her as only gay for one girl which is Emily and straight for everyone else which is insane but we won’t get into that). Anyway. They’re really underrated and interesting. 

some honorable mention ships that I also love a lot: Sparia (Spencer x Aria, if I had done this a few months ago do think they would have a shot at top 5 I really love them), Spanna (Spencer x Hanna), Hannily (Hanna x Emily), Spalison (Spencer x Alison), Monaria (Mona x Aria), Emison (Emily x Alison this one is canon), Emaya (Emily x Maya also canon), Emona (Emily x Mona), Halison (Hanna x Alison), Aria x Jenna, Emily x Jenna, Aria x Alex Drake.

[cherryys]

I kid you not I argued with someone on YouTube who said that NAOYA was better written than Megumi. Yes, NAO-FUCKING-NOYA. 😭They said that just because Megumi is suicidal he’s badly written and that Naoya is better written as a character. I’m serious. And no, it wasn’t rage bait by them. They were DEAD SERIOUS in this random argument they started with me. 😭

see, your first mistake was that you tried to have an argument with someone on JJK Youtube thinking they'll have any good takes.

But also holy shit that's kind of hilarious. A character literally created to be the worst person ever. a mysogonist, sexist, classist pos whose only express purpose in the story is to get pummeled by Maki and has literally 0 on-screen wins >>> the "suicidal" kid who actually recognizes their flaws and works on them throughout the story and GROWS along with being arguably the most important character in the series with the added bonus of actually being a nice, down-to-earth person and not an asshole. Makes sense to me idk what to tell you /j

what does it even mean to be better written for them? 😭 Naoya literally exists to portray the misogynist fans and to die by maki's hands to prove a point. He's a caricture at best without any sort of dimensionality. He doesn't even go through a character arc or anything. He doesn't even have a backstory LMAO???

Megumi IS well-written, we see him go through an actual character arc (though it has been halted for now) it would be badly written if his suicidal tendancies came out of left field and were never addressed but they make complete sense within the context of the environment he grew up in. His father selling him made him associate his self-worth with his technique, so he has no regard for his life and considers it collateral most times. He was surrounded by Jujutsu Sorcerers whose entire job description is to be batshit insane enough to do whatever it takes to win. (He was surrounded by GOJO of all people growing up 😭 that's the same guy that debated killing geto in the middle of the busy sidewalk FULL OF PEOPLE LMAO) along with the fact that he recognizes it's a flaw and works on it. I think people see him using it in Shibuya as him regressing when it really didn't have anything to do with his mentality. He was literally out of options then. He either dies pointlessly or he dies and takes down an enemy with him.

Every action Megumi takes is heavily criticised without them even considering the context of why he made those actions, that's why they think he's 'badly-written' because god forbid a character has flaws or makes a mistake or two and learns from it.

Naoya being a better written character is such a weird hill to die on lmao like Naoya's not even a great side character he's a genuine asshole. I dont understand why people like him at all. I guess this proves pretty privilege is a thing

[catofoldstones]

The bemoaning of s@nsan's loss of popularity by shippers fascinates me because iv'e seen a lot of ancient fans stance on it was that sansa's flaw is liking pretty things/people so her lesson should be to marry the hound for humility yet not ONE of them look inside the text that all the men that attack/abuse/molest sansa all find her pretty or are infatuated with pretty women worst abuse them, the double standard of fans against sansa fascinates me as they ignore one of sansa's character traits is to treat people with courtesy,they also ignore every character has been attracted to pretty people even j0n yet not one person says that hes vain for liking val based on her attractiveness, the only person iv'e seen thats been as criticized is d@ny simply for her infatuation in daario and dismissal of quentyn and while we as readers didnt like that she did that she's also a teenager(and doesnt know quentyn) again there's huge double standard for girls and boys in this fandom yet no one saw it

im getting off track but basically s@nsan's loss of popularity shouldn't be such a surprise when there's a whole new generation of readers that might not have the same readings or bias from previous years especially when a lot of it was just misogynistic undertones

Has san/san lost popularity? It’s still heralded as one of the most iconic ships to come out of the game of thrones and late 2000s/ early 2010s in general, isn’t it? And the san/san posts I see have a good number of notes, always around and upwards of 400, which is a hefty number to me. But yes, it has definitely left major pop-culture discourse centres.

I have heard a lot about this “flaw” you are talking about and I consider myself extremely lucky that i didn’t join the fandom earlier. I absolutely cannot imagine being in the fandom from the 90s to 2018 as a Sansa stan, when hating her was the norm. I was just about to bring up this point you mentioned, that all men, who are full grown adults btw, lust after Sansa based on her looks. They consider her pretty and want them all for herself, and all the while she’s a 12 year old.

“Why should I be guilty? My wife wants no part of me, and most especially not the part that seems to want her.”

Tyrion VII, ASOS

“Give your Florian a little kiss now. A kiss for luck.” He swayed toward her. Sansa dodged the wet groping lips, kissed him lightly on an unshaven cheek, and bid him good night. It took all her strength not to weep.”

Sansa IV, ACOK

And these are just two people, with one out of many such instances each, among a hoard of men who think of her like that. A very simple answer to all of this is misogyny, in and out of the universe. Of course the entire san/san fandom has no hive mind, they were apparently the first ones to come up with the qitn Sansa theory while also coming up with the cottage theory, but shipping a 12 year old with a grown man who almost raped her at knifepoint is an open letter invitation for haters to find a settling point for making sansa suffer without actually getting called out for it. It becomes such a perfect cover for actively hating a 12 year old because even the haters realise how insane that actually is.

I think the “flaw rectification” argument was birthed to fuse the thought that yes, sansa did bad things, here’s how we can still enjoy her character while the undercurrent of unfounded hatred runs through the ship while we conveniently never acknowledge it. Obviously new readers came along who had never interacted with the fandom and realised “hey, what the fuck?” and had a different opinion of “that’s a defenceless 12 year old girl who actually did nothing wrong”. I’m sure there were voices who expressed such opinions before but were silenced. Internet is such a friendly place after all.

The “courtesy” thing is so true. She literally has no option but to respond the way she does. One wrong word and she might get beaten or killed. That girl is terrified and only trying to survive. Considering Sansa’s action as anything but survival mechanism is so superficial. This is so analogous to how women today are polite to men while because they’re scared that the men might hurt them/kill them. It’s the same shit, times ten, with Sansa. This also goes for when San/dor catches her during the battle of black water and demands a “song” from her (which is a thinly veiled euphemism for rape), and Sansa sings him a hymn of Mother’s mercy as a way to protect herself.

As for the Dany thing, I just want to say, what exactly is wrong about a teenage girl having a crush? Why is she termed as “lovesick” and “stupid” and “annoying” anytime she shows any interest in a guy? And it’s always the dudebros screaming this the loudest. Obviously, Daario is not a good choice and Dany herself acknowledges that.

“Daario might whisper words of love when the two of them were as one, but she knew it was the dragon queen he loved. If I gave up my crown, he would not want me.”

Daenerys VII, ADWD

I mean, the other shoe will definitely drop with this guy but this the first time we see Dany have a consensual relationship, which I feel is important to her arc - the relationship and the man she has the relationship with. Moreover, she has bigger fish to fry like her governance/dragons/moving towards westeros etc.

And berating her over Quentyn? Wasn’t she supposed to get married the next day to Hizdar? Didn’t she herself say that she’s not sure if Quentyn is the real deal or not? Moreover, she remembers Quaith’s prophecy about the “sun’s son” and double backs (Dany and prophecies are a whole another thing which we can talk about later) and solidifies her decision to go forward with her wedding with Hizdahr.

“Enough,” Daenerys said. “Prince Quentyn has crossed half the world to offer me his gift, I will not have him treated with discourtesy.” She turned to the Dornishmen. “Would that you had come a year ago. I am pledged to wed the noble Hizdahr zo Loraq.”

“The sun’s son. A shiver went through her. “Shadows and whispers.” What else had Quaithe said? The pale mare and the sun’s son…”

Daenerys VII, ADWD

Although, the Martells will not understand that Dany didn’t order Quentyn’s death and might antagonise her so that’s a chekov’s gun waiting to go off. Clearly, Quentyn was clearly the first leg of a bigger arc that we’ll likely see in TWOW (consider Quaith’s whole prophecy) and a part of a bigger theme Dany has to fulfill. Her decision to make Quentyn wait was not based on whether she found him ugly or not, it was based on being right in the middle of a political crisis with another volatile variable being added that has the potential to uproot a lot of what she has struggled to maintain (which ultimately does happen). Dany does have a knack of picking the worst option and that does not bode well for her governance/politics but that is not the point here. The point here is how dare a 16 year old doesn’t find a guy attractive and another guy too attractive (which is a part of a bigger theme btw) and sometimes, it’s a thin line between misogyny and valid criticism. Let’s stop flattening female characters into digestible one-dimensional beings, especially when it comes to teenagers. The fact that they have more than one motivation to act a certain way, makes them so much more enjoyable and interesting and honestly, human, like you and me.

Let’s also stop pigeonholing (12 year old) female characters into high-school mean girl clique leader trope who is so shallow and superficial that she needs to be assaulted by an “ugly” middle aged man to come to her senses. Also, that is called projection. The character that we are talking about isn’t like that at all. But whatever 🙄

Sorry I got carried away and got angry, things like these piss me off so bad. Never change, fandom, never change.

[maygrcnt]

Hey, sorry to come into your inbox like this I just saw something regarding buck and his dating life and I wanted to talk to you about it as I feel like you have pretty (neutral?) view point on his relationships overall. Essentially, the OP was saying how Buck isn’t off his “hamster wheel” in terms of getting into relationships, everyone’s just saying that he is “off the hamster wheel” just because he’s with a guy when this relationship with Tommy is no different than his past relationships with women. (Basically saying people are misogynistic when they say Tommy is a better LI than some of his others). They go on to give these three reasons in to show how that he isn’t off his hamster wheel: “he spent an entire episode acting like an insane person and had no idea of what or who he wanted until tommy kissed him. he had no intention of reaching out to tommy again until eddie literally had to tell him to (twice!). and he's already jumped in head-first by inviting tommy to maddie and chim's wedding before they've even had a single successful date.” Now! Listen. does this fandom have a misogyny issue? yes, especially with buck and eddie’s LI and maybe some people favor Tommy bc of their misogyny but I wouldn’t argue that suggesting Tommy is a better LI than most is inherently misogynistic or at all. Now that that’s out of the way, I find the OP’s reasoning incredibly flawed and reductive - and frankly, dismissive of Buck’s agency and thinking. The “he spent an entire episode acting like an insane person who had no idea what…” This to me is just a wild take because the whole premise of buck acting that way was to show his self discovery? Buck wasn’t consciously aware about this part of himself until the very end of the episode where everything fell into place. The whole point was that he couldn’t explain his feelings or even understand what they truly were. Do I agree with every writing decision in that episode? No I wish they had Buck apologise to Eddie on screen but I think comparing the way Buck was acting in that episode to how he’s been in the past when getting a girl is so different. Next, the “he had no intention to reach out to tommy until Eddie said something.” Um? What? it’s like they missed the part where he said he can’t stop thinking about him but feels like he made an idiot of himself? And again. Are they forgetting that this is all very new for him? Tommy told Buck that he doesn’t think Buck’s ready and I do believe a part of Buck felt that way. It’s not an easy thing to navigate and sometimes you need the encouragement. Idk it feels weird to me personally because they’re acting like Buck lacks any and all agency and had no part in the decision. Even if Eddie said to reach out doesn’t mean Buck had to or 100% would’ve. It was a conscious decision on his part. There’s also different layers to reaching out to Tommy vs reaching out a girl because he was in the midst of discovering this part of his identity. The last point they made is possibly the most logical one and everyone can agree to disagree on the quickness and seriousness of taking someone you recently met as a date to a wedding (at the end of the day, it’s a show!) but overall, I wanna say that Tommy being a guy does absolutely make this situation different. Buck has never been with a man and although his bisexuality has always been a part of him, it’s only something he started to navigate recently. Something he became aware of recently so of course he’s not going to have every single thing figured out. I’m personally neutral on buckyommy as I feel we have to see more of them to really form my opinion but to act like the set up for them is putting buck back on a hamster wheel is just something I do not agree with especially not with the reasons the poster gave. Sorry for giving you so much to read but would love to hear your take on this

okay first of all thanks for putting this in my inbox i think it’s a really interesting discussion. i wanna preface by saying thanks for feeling like im a neutral voice, i feel like im very open and honest that i am not a multishipper and buddie is my ride or die, but i genuinely love general discussion and conversation about the show regardless so i rly hope i never come across as like unwilling to consider things that go against my own personal wants. i want to try my best to give my thoughts here coming from bucks character only and not let buddie thoughts influence it but sorry if i slip there lol

second of all if op of the post mentioned here sees this pls know that this isn’t a personal attack i just like the points that are brought up and i want to give my own take on them! putting under a cut because it got … long

so in terms of the hamster wheel, i think it’s quite disingenuous to the character to say that this relationship is another rinse and repeat. i know as much as we want to claim that being with a same sex partner is no different or has the same implications as buck being with women, it just doesn’t. that’s the simple truth, the fact that he’s trying something new with a man is different and every factor that would normally be considered a part of the evan buckley hamster wheel is now being seen in an entirely different lens because of the factor that it’s a man. his entire world is truly different now, and that’s not to say a queer relationship always has to change someone’s life but it did for evan buckley and this is evident by oliver saying in the zach sang interview that this storyline has quite literally been the endpoint to the six season long arc of buck trying to find what was missing from his life. like it’s a big deal and we don’t have to pretend it’s not.

when it comes to the jealousy, it’s true that this isn’t unlike buck (201, 304, and 408 come to mind as examples of buck doing this in platonic, work, and then romantic way respectively) i don’t think it’s something characteristic of why his relationships don’t work. this is something that is a character trait of buck that we’re finally getting into working on and reasoning with through the relationship with tommy but i truly do t think it’s something that has been the reason his past romances don’t work. abby left because abby is abby, ali set a boundary for her own mental health, natalia was barely there. the only thing i would consider to be bucks irrational jealousy leading to the downfall of his relationship is him kissing lucy but even then there was a lot more going on (cough eddie leaving the 118 but i promised i wouldn’t go buddie mode).

it’s genuinely hard for me to neutrally explain why i think buck didn’t reach out to tommy before eddie told him to but, i think it comes down to the fact that when tommy told him he “wasn’t ready” it very much scooped at an insecure part of buck that believed he was too much for people and buck needed reassurance from someone who’s opinion he really valued to let him know that hey you’re not too much you just have to let people get to know you, and eddie pushed him to be willing to let tommy get to know him.

and then in terms of jumping into things too quickly… i don’t even consider that to be a part of the evan buckley hamster wheel if im so honest. i dont even like to consider abby as part of the hamster wheel discussion because if we’re honest that relationship, from a storytelling perspective was more used to characterize abby than it was buck (bucks storyline is more about the absense of abby after she leavesthan the presence of her during the relationship). ali helped him buy a place but they had been seeing each other for ~six months at that point (i think because most current fans binged season two they forget there was a genuinely large gap between their first date and the loft), and she wasn’t even actually moving in lol, that’s so reasonable to me. with taylor the asking her to move in was crazy and awful of him but NOT because of the timing. at this point they’d had an on again off again thing going for YEARS. it was bad because of the reason. brother was pretending to love her and then kissed another woman and was still gonna let her move in. THAT is why that storyline was shit, not cus of the timing.

PLUS it’s not weird to ask someone to a wedding as a second date. ESPECIALLY not when your date is already friends with half the fucking guests lmao. like i feel like maybe im weird but this specific talking point doesn’t make sense to me. it’s a big deal because buck is essentially coming out to everyone in his world, that’s why it’s big, not because it’s “too fast” for a relationship.

overall, i think this is the exact opposite of the hamster wheel. Buck is putting himself in an uncomfortable situation and seeking out something that makes him feel GOOD, seeking a person who understands who and what he is rather than someone who has to learn to live with his life. a lot of people say that tommy is there to make buck “ready” to date eddie, and while i find this problematic in a few ways when it comes to the sexuality aspect of it, i don’t think it’s entirely untrue from an emotional perspective. if this thing with tommy doesn’t end well, then at least buck now knows he deserves someone who can love him wholly and will have a better understanding of what love looks like for him (regardless of if he see that with eddie or not)

i hope this was interesting and what you were wanting to read anon, thanks for the interesting discussion <3

[livvyofthelake]

re: divine vision of an edit. i might. be making moves. and by this i mean i’m thinking about the concept of making moves. which is of course the first move. i think i’m going to attempt a new approach where before getting scenes i want to take the song and map out where i want the cuts to be and then plan each clip and then from there get the scenes. idk could be a terrible way to go about this but it’s worth a shot. because of course making edits is the most difficult thing in the whole entire universe because getting the scenes is SUCH. a tedious and boring and yet entirely necessary task and i hate it so so so much it’s the worst thing ever i hate doing it. you know the reason i made a million edits of the babysitter killer queen back when i did that? because i just already had the scenes and it was therefore the easiest thing in the world. i could probably bang out a whole new one right this second if the mood struck me because i know i won’t have to cross the impossible first hurdle of getting the scenes…. alas the mood is not going to strike me again i fear. i kinda stopped giving a shit about that movie due to a) there’s never gonna be another sequel like i wanted so what’s the point. because b) jenna ortega got too popular to the point she lowkey became unappealing to me. not in a hater way i don’t have a problem with her i just don’t like popular things. and no i don’t understand either how i’m a swiftie under those circumstances. you’ve all seen in real time with sabrina how i can go from Huge Fan to Hater Bitch about anything once it crosses a threshold of popularity… i’m literally so averse to popular things and it’s terrible because i always want stuff i do like to be more popular. this is my curse. actually you know what was perfect in terms of toeing that line? bbc merlin… that show cannot be considered truly popular anymore but it was never lacking in people who liked it either, just such an excellent mix there. AND because it was also SO BAD i was allowed to be a hater bitch about anything i wanted… when a show hates women that much you’re automatically allowed to bitch about literally anything to do with it that you could possibly think of btw. that’s like the rules of feminism. i can’t hate on shit i like anymore it sucks. because i decided to only like stuff that was good ugh lowkey that sucks… sure lost has her moments but lost was HARDLY even in the top ten most misogynistic and bad tv shows of it’s time i mean it was literally airing at the same time as friday night lights. so. yeah. speaking of tv shows that don’t have this insane vitriolic hate for women you know the craziest thing about band of brothers is that it pulls off the feminist move of the century by completely successfully executing the concept of not treating women horrifically by simply just. not having women… that show has one woman. and she died in a bombing of a hospital. and then her kindness talent and love lived on through the narrative because the hope and light she imparted was not wasted… but i can’t talk about it i never finished processing episode 6 properly. but yeah like there’s women. and sometimes even terrible things happen to women. because it’s world war 2 famous for being one of the all time bummers. but you have to acknowledge there’s a huge difference between bad things happening to women in the narrative, and the narrative itself treating women badly. it literally never really felt like the latter the entire show btw which was CRAZY to me i lowkey felt like i was waiting for the other shoe to drop the whole time. it’s worst offense was probably when luz kinda badgers this random woman trying to flirt with her and then i’m pretty sure she slapped him in the face and the other guys made fun of him. weak as hell compared to the shit bbc merlin could pull in just one episode’s b plot to be honest. the j’s hated women soooo bad huh. that shit was crazy. and remember ariadne? god let’s not even think about that. my point is. obviously it’s not perfect but but imperfect wins every time over actively malicious.

and if i may bring us back to the original point. i think i’m gonna make some crazy moves tonight. and by making moves i mean. planning moves. cool

[theadamfaulkner-stanheight]

Are you actually serious right now? So it’s not misogynist because you say so? Nothing is in a vacuum. You didn’t randomly get a message from God to make those posts. You were influenced by what’s around you. A you are actually insane for telling me to “take a deep dive into these characters” as somebody who hadn’t once been in character on their roleplay blog. If you don’t understand the films just say that. You’re like actually nuts for this.

And taking something misogynistic and saying it’s not doesn’t make it magically not misogynistic. Please I am literally begging you to think about what you’re saying a little deeper than you are. Saying I’m over analyzing something because you didn’t have half a mind to think about it before saying it is crazy.

Maybe you should take a deep dive into your own personality seeing as you refuse to analyze something deeper than the surface? I’m sorry you felt attacked but I’m being a hundred percent serious. The things you said were misogynistic. You kind of admitted it too by saying “it’s what Adam would say”? That doesn’t negate the fact that you have an audience and friend group of underage people who are extremely impressionable at this moment in time. You should be having a discussion about why Adam shouldn’t say those things instead of letting it sit. This is unfortunately the responsibility you take when becoming any sort of public figure, even if it’s a small one running a Saw roleplay blog.

Also please get some like media analysis skills I am quite literally begging you. Thanks

ALSO ALSO ALSO PS. Just because somebody else decided they wanted to make Alison a “crazy, toxic” person doesn’t mean you should go along with it, because that’s, again, misogyny. I’m sorry, you may still be a kid, but at your grown age you should know you shouldn’t engage with things like that. If you somewhere somehow addressed the fact that she shouldn’t have been mischaracterized like that, in a way that’s clearly based in misogyny, then I’m sorry, but I haven’t seen and you didn’t bring it up in the last post, so I’m going to assume it doesn’t exist.

You have a responsibility to make the world a better place and to bring up when things are harmful. You should’ve used that blog as an opportunity to bring up why that interpretation of Alison’s character is harmful. And try spelling her name right before saying you like her

//You are literally harassing a sick teenager on the internet. You’re insane. The definition for misogyny is “dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women” this is not it. What about the times I insulted any of the guys on my blog? Am I doing that because they’re guys? No. I’m going that because it’s in character. Nobody should be taking a blog of an assholeish horror movie character and using it as something to look up to. The fact you’re taking this so wrong and so seriously is on you. It is not my responsibly to make sure everything I say is worshiping women. That’s just unrealistic. If you ask me my top three saw characters Lindsey is gonna be on there. I’ll leave it at this again, it wasn’t sexist because it’s not because they’re woman I’m saying this, if you do not like my blog, do not read it//

[zaddyazula]

i am actually very, very worried for kids today who have grown up on this internet. when i was younger i was watching people play fucking yandere simulator and 60 seconds and the sims. now they’re watching andrew tate say they need ten thousand super cars to be successful in life.

my 11 year old brother (with access to tiktok the dreaded thing) is watching these sigma giga chad males and thinking that is who he should be. he is consuming insane amounts of homophobic, transphobic, racist, islamophobic, anti-semitic, fatphobic and misogynistic media, and openly repeats a majority of it to me. seeing him make highly inappropriate jokes not only for his age but in general is not cool or entertaining, as he thinks they are completely acceptable. he parrots this shit with his friends, who all share the same viewpoint as him. when i was his age, i was discovering bisexuality existed. i used to keep a diary for a short period of time when i was in year 5 (10 years old) and one line in it was: ‘i don’t know if i am gay, lesbian, bi or trans’ (bless my 10 year old self). i had no hatred for people in the lgbtq+ community, because i was largely unaware of it, outside of a couple people i knew. there wasn’t tiktok to tell young kids how to think or how to treat people. the amount of shit my brother has come out to me with, even insulting me with. literally last night my 11 YEAR OLD brother called me a whore. ELEVEN (11). multiple times he’s called me a dishwasher, told me to get back in the kitchen, called me a slut, a whore, etc. etc. i used to take it as a joke, and not think too much of it, but i’m starting to think it’s not a joke at all, just genuine misogyny. he’s come up to me and called black people monkeys, called muslims suicide bombers, and every time i tell him to not say that because it’s extremely offensive and even threaten to take his xbox off him and tell our mum or someone at school, he doesn’t care. he literally just does not give a shit. and to be perfectly honest, the school system to tackle discrimination is fucking horrendous. when i was at school a (white) girl in my year called someone the n word, and what did the school do? absolutely nothing. people confronted her about it (rightfully) which came off as ‘bullying’ and she didn’t have to go to any lessons and got to stay in the building where the nurse was. at my brother’s school this year, a boy in his year (another white 11 year old) called someone the n word. he got moved into the other class. that’s it. both of our schools claimed to be “diverse” and anti-xenophobia (even though my school had a maximum 3 poc staff). like how do you even deal with this?

my (white cishet) brother thinks it’s okay to say the n word. he thinks it’s okay to be islamophobic. he thinks it’s okay to be misogynistic. i actually have no idea how to deal with him, or the other kids his age. when i was his age i don’t even think i knew the n word existed. i certainly didn’t know the word misogyny.

as soon as you try to stand up to these fucking devil children, they will hurl some sort of slur at you. some insane insult which leaves you standing there like ‘how the fuck do they know that’. i doubt my brother or other kids his age actually understand what some of the things they say mean, and just say them because they know they’re bad words.

what the fuck do i even do with him. we come from a white irish catholic family. if my grandparents knew i was some inkling of lgbtq+ they probably would’ve disowned me. my own mother outed me to my uncles and her boyfriend’s daughter and her boyfriend. when i started crying when she told me this, she didn’t understand. she thought i was just upset about the fact that my nan was dead. one of my friends nearly outed me to a very homophobic kid in my year when i was 12. and it sort of leaves me wishing i had never come out. life would be so much easier if people just assumed i was cishet. but that’s not possible. i thought people would be supportive. though my own family and friends have openly been homophobic and transphobic around me, seemingly forgetting about me.

my brother calls me gay as an insult, and despite the fact i insist i’m not gay (i am) he just laughs and moves on until the cycle repeats. i don’t really want to be some saviour white person who thinks they can solve racism by wagging their finger at someone and then forgetting about it. i actually want to help my brother realise he should stop fucking saying what he’s saying. if that means me fucking taking his xbox off him and putting it in the loft then so fucking be it. i genuinely have no idea how to help the younger generation who have grown up on racist tiktoks rather than beheading videos on early youtube.

so yeah. this isn’t what i usually post but whatever. i am genuinely worried.

[notafunkiller]

It’s insane to me that people can’t fathom the idea of others disliking Annabelle. While there are absolutely fans who do and will hate any woman Sebastian associates with, the majority of his fans are very much in touch with reality and have noticed that something is off.

Nobody thinks it’s a little odd that he isn’t overtly affectionate with her? Or even mildly affectionate? Especially when we’re discussing Sebastian, whose love language is physical touch. Nobody thinks it’s weird that he was seated right next to her at her brother’s wedding and didn’t acknowledge her once? Nobody thinks it’s weird that it looks like he can’t even stomach holding her hand? Whether Annabelle is the loveliest woman there is (which I highly doubt, and will get to why in a moment) or not, photos don’t lie.

I don’t know Sebastian, and probably never will. But I think having to spend time with someone who, based off of any interview of hers that you can read, watch, or listen to, severely lacks a sense of reality, humility, or work ethic can take a toll on anyone. And let’s be clear: she isn’t some innocent, sweet girl receiving random hate from her “boyfriend’s” fans. Annabelle appears to be very calculated, and has no qualms about stalking her exes or their partners. She’s been caught in the act stalking Dakota Johnson and Chris Martin on multiple occasions. Hell, she’s even been caught keeping tabs on Sebastian on the Loewe fashion show livestream! How can anyone find that healthy? People have strong opinions about her for legitimate reasons. Ffs, she was just caught ON VIDEO disrespecting a PA on the set of Mercy. Like, badly. You watch that girl fall apart as she basically pushes past her. That kind of behavior is unacceptable and tells me all I need to know about her. If we’re going to acknowledge that Sebastian is a grown man, we’re also going to acknowledge that Annabelle is a grown woman. She should do and know better, but doesn’t. Saying that doesn’t make me a misogynist. It makes me an adult with a few ounces of integrity.

Mod, I respect your opinions and the boundaries you set within them. I’m sorry if I started a fire with my original ask. I do stand by what I said, especially the part about Sebastian being a grown man. At the end of the day, he also consented to whatever this is with Annabelle. It’s definitely possible that he didn’t realize just how toxic the situation would be, but it is still his job to be responsible about who and what he lets into his life. None of us can tell him what to do. We don’t know him, and we don’t have a right to make choices for him. I hope that he finds his happiness and his peace sooner rather than later.

1. Thank you for sending messages & I hope you'll keep doing it! I love how logical you are.

2. I agree so much with everything you said.

I don't know how they do not find it even a bit suspicious how he switched... like he was private before in his relationships, but this is not private. And yes, physical touch = his love language, and you can see easily the change.

Every moment you mentioned 🙌🏻

Yes, I personally do not like Annabelle before she even was with Sebastian (that doesn't mean I hate her, obviously). She waa disrespectful to crew people, and as you said, she stalked Dakota and people said she checked stories, and let's remember she followed HIS fan! Oh, and I got second hand of embarrassment when she complained about Tom Cruise not wanting to kiss her (in the film) and how that was his loss. She praised royalty as well... And she seems out of touch with the real world.

But us thinking this doesn't mean we hate her. We just don't... stan her. We aren't her fans. And we have every right to have an opinion.

And everything you said about Sebastian is sooooo on point! He put in balance what is more important in his opinion and made his choice, but of course he didn't realize how things will turn out to be.

I also find it funny how he followed a fan and literally made it obvious (which I've already known) he is on social media.

Please do not apologize and you are always welcome to state your opinions and ask questions etc here. I don't care if others will be upset about it. You are respectful and you do not bother anyone💕

[f0point5]

Okay this ask is more to get mad at the person who said women don’t belong in f1/ they can’t handle the physical side. The physicality of f1 won’t be what’s stopping women (which tbf it looks like you agree) after all female fighter pilots seem to have no problems surviving that high impact, high g-force, high stress environment, and that’s just the closest example I can currently think of

I do agree that the media and fans and general public will be a shit show and that she’ll/they’ll either have to be stone cold to deal with it (and then get called a bitch) or be the most charismatic, likeable driver on the grid (and get called a try-hard or a flirt). It’s a catch-22, it’ll suck either way, but it still won’t stop them.

If women don’t have a place in f1, they’ll make one. They’ll force it. It’ll suck at first but eventually the world will get used to it, just like female doctors, pilots, engineers and all other “male dominated” industries.

They can make one. They probably will.

I don’t think it’ll be fun to see though. Not only will the misogynists be crawling out of the woodwork, the grid will become a gender politics battleground. The shipping her with every driver in the grid will be insane, even if she never speaks to anyone (people be out here shipping these straight men with each other can we imagine what will happen when a woman is on the grid). Maybe a decade or two decades later it’ll have died down but it won’t be fun in the meantime and selfishly, as a fan, I’d rather watch 20 men on the grid than watch that.

However, it’s not up to me, or anyone else, whether a woman makes it on the grid. It’s not up to any woman to shoulder my opinion or anyone else’s. If a woman wants to be in the grid and can get there, fuck anyone who thinks she shouldn’t just because some people won’t like it. That said, I will be one of the people who doesn’t like it 😂

As for the physical, I honestly don’t know. I’m not a nutritionist or a…health person. I literally can’t even run because it hurts my bones I am not an authority on physicality. I know there are different schools of thought on it. I will say that there’s a difference between being physically able to do something competently and doing something well, and I think the margin between what’s passable for an airforce pilot is wider than what would be successful for an f1 driver. But there’s also always physical anomalies. I don’t think it’s true that no woman could ever be physically able to compete in f1. I just said, the deck would probably be stacked against her and idk how healthy it would be to do it anyway. Like, there’s probably a female swimmer that could compete with male swimmers if they trained the absolute shit out of themselves but is that a nice way to live? But yeah I definitely am not qualified to speak on the physical side at all.

[iapislazuli]

im ngl that nightheart post was so funny to experience in a different way than u intended because full disclosure i havent liked warrior cats since i was 13 but i still follow blogs from when i first made my tumblr and yanno liked warrior cats so i follow this guy who posts literal novel length paragraphs on how misogynistic and one dimensional and evil and vile nightheart and the erins and everyone in the new books is WHICH may be deserved i dont read them but ive been getting this since he debuted in the books and then i read the sentence “he steals a corn dog from a truck” in your post BWBSHDBFKBFJFJDKS

Honestly a lot of nightheart hate is suuuuper overblown to me, especially because a lot of people get their info on him from only secondhand sources and haven’t actually read his books, or they have read it but straight up skip his chapters. Like the whole “nightheart is ableist” thing that just. Never happened?? In the book jayfeather says something mildly condescending, as jayfeather does, about nightheart failing his warrior assessment. Nightheart responds that jayfeather never learned to hunt so what does he know, because he’s a medicine cat, but everyone took it as him making fun of jayfeather for being blind??? Which I guess, sure you can think that, especially considering Erin hunter’s track record, but it’s still the least charitable interpretation possible of that scene, and doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

Obviously I can’t and won’t force anyone to like him because he’s not real and it’s not that serious and in the end idrc who a person likes or dislikes in a cat book series, it’s not gonna upset me or hurt my feelings if someone dislikes nightheart or finds his writing misogynist or aw/e. but I’m reading the new prophecy and its kind of insane how people say he’s just like brambleclaw when brambleclaw is a grown man beefing with a 13 year old girl. I enjoy nightheart because his conflict with his mother actually feels nuanced as opposed as opposed to other situations where it’s very black and white as to who’s “good” and who’s “evil”.

Anyways sorry I rambled a bit LOOL i just enjoy nightheart a lot because he’s very silly

[ricanvvas]

You’re entitled to your opinion and it is such a relief to know there’s someone else out there who’s sick of people totally misunderstanding friendships.

Also it’s annoying when people act like their headcanon/fantasy is what actually happened in the story. Sorry, Naruto and Sasuke are not gay, they did not secretly yearn to fuck each other over their years of separation, stop calling people homophobes for not sharing your desire to reduce them to gay sex and being irritated that you don’t appreciate the bond that the author wrote them to have. (Also Kishimoto wrote them to be attracted to women whether people like it or not)

Or at least I’d say that if I was brave. I’m a coward. But I wanted you to know you aren’t the only one sick of those things.

There’s little of us nowadays. If not, then majority of us are scared of getting lashed out on for not agreeing with somebody’s idea or genuinely questioning why they think of the characters the way they do.

We, the people who don’t twist male friendship into romance or sexual relationship, get bashed for just restating the canons. If they say, for example, “Gojo Satoru and Geto Suguru are only best friends”, there will be a line of people ready to throw insults, attacks, and even slurs your way…

…but the thing is, they might as well as throw them towards the author himself or the characters themselves, because both the author and characters have repeatedly reminded readers throughout the journey that it is friendship.

And frankly, in a way, it is misogynistic to straight up believe that males cannot have deep bonds and they’re only capable of shallow friendships or no friendship. They will scream about “men should be capable of expressing feelings”, and the second the men do so, they will follow up with this toxic ideology.

The entire Naruto and Sasuke thing used to get to me but now it’s straight up funny and bizarre. Considering Sasuke genuinely tried to kill Naruto repeatedly, was jealous, and held natural hatred towards him already obliterates the ship itself, but the fact that both Naruto and Sasuke (and Madara and Hashirama) were in a way reincarnations of two brothers, Indura and Ashura. If not, then Hagoromo himself made connections with them to his sons. The entire show’s existence literally started with two brothers, and Hagoromo wanted it to end with two synonyms of the brothers. If that’s also not enough, take the characters’ words themselves—Sasuke states Naruto was his only friend, and Naruto states Sasuke is like his brother. Also, Naruto itself revolved around teamwork and unique, deep, and strong friendships. A proof could be that Kishimoto miserably failed to create good romance in Naruto Series (cough, Sasuke and Sakura but that’s another story) considering how much time he spent trying to explain the depth of Naruto and Sasuke’s friendship.

We aren’t homophobes for restating these things. Again, might as well as call the characters or authors homophobes. And as much as they’d like to deny it, an insane amount of insane people do in fact fetishize gay relationships and turn it weirdly and oddly sexual.

I’m not really afraid to speak for these things or preach canon, because majority of the fucking time, when they really don’t have anything to say back in a discussion (not even an argument), they resort to one of the two things; personal sob story/connections, or, attack, insult, and run.

We all should stick together and overcome this baffling toxicity. Lots of love ( ＾∀＾)！

[mithliya]

"^_^ but thank u for taking the time to use that to actually defend actual lesbophobia that was expressed'

first of all I'm literally not defending it I agree she's lesbophobic and I've never liked ms-revived-frogs tbh she says so much shit off the cuff and then completely doubles down unreasonably. she's just a contrarian that think she's the only one that really understands anything. maybe a symptom of her age but im still not gonna give her a pass or then she'll just continue to b like that.

second of all I literally wasn't the anon that sent any of those original asks but I did know wtf they are talking about w piqued. idk about the rest im only talking about the piqued thing. i just think its crazy how radblr can correctly recognize those comparisons are lesbophobic and wrong, but when people call us dick worshipers or spread essays on how we're identical to men, suddenly thats no biggie and the only evil is that the bihets think they have the right to complain. piqued was the least bad person to reblog that shit essay bcoz she at least partly acknowledged some bits were bad, but she still thinks that the "bad" parts like comparing our sexual assaults to TIM completely fake murder stats or saying we're dick worshipers or the premise of the essay on how we're identical to men are completely acceptable to pass around even if their 'bad' if she decides she thinks its worth it, and us rape victims are pathetic if we take offense at her choice. and thats the thing even when u all say that harassment or abuse against bi women is "bad", a lot of ppl on here just treat it as like a fart in the room at most nothing real and nothing realated to real pain or oppression just annoying whining. ppl oppose it in theory but in practice they completely let ppl like that off the hook and show way more anger at any bisexuals that bring up the topic of how ppl harass us treating us like we're complaining over nothing. no ones gonna call desisapphic, ornitomoltorinco, like-a-ruby, eliminatedmighty, angrylesbianatwork, and dozens others that passed that shit around homophobes for making light of our rape and using it as a gotcha or misogynists for how they call us dick worshippers. no one's ever gonna spare any anger for them even if they mildly criticize, it all goes only into insisting that bi "male worshipers" exagerate everything and can be believed. And I'm not talking about you but rad spaces as a whole. I actually don't think ur that bad about bi women at all, u at least call bullshit bullshit when its direct, but you seem completely unable to call out sussy shit thats in between the lines, and the thing is i know u can coz ur smart and you do it all the time with other shit. but unfort a lot of people are alot shittier about bi women than u, i don't get why you have to pretend theyre not and bis are just making everything up.

“i just think its crazy how radblr can correctly recognize those comparisons are lesbophobic and wrong”

the idea that radblr is collectively recognising this as lesbophobic & wrong is laughable to me. i’m seeing more ppl outright justifying her lesbophobia n demonising me for criticising it than i am seeing ppl saying it was lesbophobic. and of the ppl calling it lesbophobic, almost every single one is a lesbian.

ur paragraph about piqued is.. literally nothing she even said. “TIM completely fake murder stats” is bizarre to say bc like.

the rate of transwomen of colour being murdered isn’t a myth. the myth is acting like trans women are the most vulnerable group, which overall they are not. however black or latam trans women are absolutely at high risk of being murdered:

and almost everything u took issue with is stuff she mentioned as an issue as well:

like idk i find it absolutely insane that of all the ppl u could have gone after, u specifically chose the lesbian who agreed with ur takes here and chose to demonise her. there’s also the fact that youre expecting *others* to go after what *you* find problematic *on your behalf* instead of just.. doing it urself? i mean none of u did shit when tagai/tonguehurt was harassing me and even happily grouped us together and acted like we were besties when she left. none of u cared when that general circle was being awful to me. and most of u directed not even 1/20th of the attacks directed at me towards the ppl u named above. and then on top of that ur like “hey why don’t u go after these ppl i disagree with harder? even tho we won’t call out the lesbophobia within our circles or call the ppl we disagree with out ourselves or anything else” .. just bizarre frankly

also i actually had no issue with ms-revived-frogs before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i disagreed with some things but the lesbians are unempathetic stuff she said was shocking to me bc i didn’t expect it from her. her inability to take any accountability and readiness to demonise me despite me giving her the benefit of the doubt n simply politely explaining how she was lesbophobic was also shocking to me considering she made it seem like she was an ally to lesbians. so how u felt about her prior to that doesn’t matter to me tbh, no one needs to dislike or hate her or anyone else. but that lesbophobia should be criticised

btw never heard of eliminatedmighty, i did criticise angrylesbianatwork but she’s inactive now anyways, don’t know what ornito did, and at most i disagree with like-a-ruby and desisapphic on some things but i’ve seen ppl go after those two and literally no one else you’ve mentioned which.. again i do find it interesting that the women who say they want front row seats to see a woman being abused by her bf/husband and called women misogynistic terms such as bulldyke-rider or others in her direct circle aren’t ppl that y’all go after nearly as much as ppl like desisapphic