#maxramble

[maxladcomics]

They don't know what a human looks like, only what a human does. A Monster's soul is made of Love, hope, compassion, but a Human can live without those.

Gerson does not recognize you as human on a pacifist run, but recognizes you as one on a murder run. He sees humans as enemies who do evil, you are not evil in pacifist, so you are not human. He does not recall the previous humans because he never saw previous (murderers) humans.

In pacifist, Asgore recognizes you as a human. In a murder run, he asks "What kind of monster are you?".

So is this why it seems so long since the monsters last saw a human? Is this why none of them know what they look like? They simply met someone (A friend?) that they never saw again, and suddenly there was another soul in Asgore's grasp?

How fun

[rickisanchez]

i feel like if you gave me a powerpoint and 30 minutes with google i could prove that rickford is more plausible than stanchez

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this is not stanchez h8 btw <3 love u guys, love those guys

[mistermxxnys]

me: today seems like a great day to draw my queen lily evans brainrot: no! draw the marauders as fnaf characters

[puppett33th]

careless whisperer, turn your gaze upon this wretched thing

[maxladcomics]

Pfhahahah, BUT I LIKE PUTTING DISJOINTED SENTENCES IN TAGS- then I don’t have to plan out my sentences lol

but this is something I think over a lot, especially since we already know that despite the fact that Papyrus calls himself great, he doesn’t seem to talk about himself at all. He has the most lines in the game except for the narrator, but for most of that he’s either giving information about other places, things and people, or making jokes.

There is also a LOT of diversion tactics and things thrown in our face as Papyrus things, when they’re not-

LIKE THE SPAGHETTI THING. Undyne starts to make spaghetti with you, and later during a call, she’s the one that tells you to eat their cooking and throws spaghetti at the phone.

I mean I’m guilty of focusing on the spaghetti thing, because tbh I don’t know what else to do. I know the undertale ask thing says Papyrus likes that oatmeal with dino eggs but how do we know that’s just something Flowey likes that Papyrus says he likes??

And I kinda love the idea of all the Papyruses having preferences for certain pasta dishes, I just need to remind myself of where that obsession comes from lol.

This is supposed to be ‘Papyrus’s’ sentry station, BUT.. Sans found the box for it. It seems like Papyrus was given this option, and simply went with it. The things we know Papyrus has done by himself? He painted the bridge (added the rope, too) and built a Snow Papyrus.

So all we have right now, is that Papyrus is an artist. He’s clearly a good actor, and he tells the best puns in the game (If I’m honest, MTT is equal to him, his visual style of humor is brilliant)

LET’S CONTINUE

He knows Alphys by name. This went over my head a few times tbh.

I’m not completely sure if he has Alphys friended on their internet, but they do talk later. This probably makes the fact that Papyrus’s phone doesn’t work in the core (but Alphys’s does), weirder.

Papyrus refers to Asgore as ‘Fluffyboy’ which is a very strange way to refer to King Asgore. According to Gerson, Asgore is nicknamed ‘Fluffybuns’ from back when TORIEL WAS STILL AROUND but I guess that isn’t so strange because

both MTT and Alphys seem very well aware of that nickname as well.

...NO WAIT IT’S STILL WEIRD.

So I’ll end the ramble here, but as I said, so far we have: Artist, Actor, Best pun teller (lol), and still REALLY SUSPICIOUS.

Theory time!

I’ve been reading a lot about Papyrus and his in games actions/dialogue, and...what if Papyrus is a glitch? Sort of.

There’s just,,,,, so much weird stuff about his character that applies to only his character. The lack of asterisk, looking at the player instead of Frisk, his text shaking like the narrator, changing his stats in-fight, breaking the fourth wall by instructing you to use the keyboard, being able to control his magic with a precision no other character can, I mean, the list goes on. But on top of everything, his persona never falters. Almost everything he says is a contradiction, and he lies to all of his friends to protect their perception of him. He’s Flowey’s favorite, but at the end, Flowey uses several vines to restrain him while everyone else only has two. He’s forgettable. Other characters barely acknowledge him most of the time. Why is Papyrus so strange?

Papyrus can see code. He knows Undertale is a game. I don’t know how this would come about, probably something related to Gaster, who also seems to be aware of the game mechanics, but they both live just outside the realm of being a completely integrated character. Might also be why he isn’t in Deltarune, he’s barely in Undertale. Yes Sans and Flowey and Chara are all aware of the resets, Flowey and Chara aware of the player, but there’s a far cry between being aware you’re part of a game and seeing it. He can probably also manipulate the code, hence the majority of his unique abilities, (ie breaking the laws of physics, seeing from the perspective of the player, stopping/changing his own attacks), but he can’t forcably “finalize” his own character or really change the game due to being a broken element’s limitations. Maybe he doesn’t want to. Maybe that’s why he is so annoyed by Toby, he knows he’s the creator, or at least that he’s a mod to some degree. Maybe they have an understanding of some sort and the way they behave is part of the story, like everything else Papyrus strives to maintain.

Additional thoughts and opinions are welcome!

[girlwolf]

Trying to do a backflip from flat in skate 3 is making me want to die.

[wentzdayz]

I want cuddles, stargazing cuddles, movie marathons, easy and relaxed breakfast mornings, pizza nights, sleep in each other's arms, end up talking about life when it's 3 AM when neither of us can sleep, knowing smiles, loving looks, confessions in the middle of kisses, hold your hand while walking, kiss your nose, taking care of you when you push yourself too hard, tell you everything I love about you when you're doubting yourself, and seeing you blush when I tell you you're cute. We used to be like that. I want to brush your hair with my fingers while you're asleep, get lost in your eyes when you talk about something you love. Maybe we can be like that again someday.

[babylonianspice]

I'm in the process of making D&D style Grumps and I'm rEAL excited

[maxladcomics]

Hey, :/ anon here!

I'm gonna be completely honest. I was tired too and overreacted. I'm just so used to seeing people be assholes I read much too into it and??? Why was it so aggressive??? Also I brought up something unrelated??? Idk I'm sorry. Also my ask was absolutely awfully stated which really shows that maybe I should stop listening to my brain when it's past my bedtime. (Of course that doesn't excuse it.)

Basically, my problem was that you reblogged a thing that was talking about canon and came off as saying what Sans and Papyrus likes in canon and stuff. You refused some things that were canon or came up with ideas that weren't supported by canon (although not said otherwise.)

I'm very defensive due to undertale fans being cruel to others often and idk? I'm sorry again I'm a really shitty person. I should come off anon and apologize face off but :( I'm a coward.

You should reword it so it doesn't sound like you're saying this is canon, but everything else was 100% my fault. I'm sorry

Anon this isn't fair you're not supposed to be aware of your decisions and actions and regret things!

Hahaha, but it's ok!

At the point of answering your ask I was exhausted and shouldn't have replied because I like pretending to be concise and clear, but I can only do that in certain circumstances. BUT TO BE CLEAR- there is no malice, I'm not mad at you and you weren't wrong for getting mad about it. Not saying you were mad or came across that way, I understand it was a defensive reaction, I get that way around certain theories (Surprisingly not theories on Papyrus or his brother)

"maybe I should stop listening to my brain when it's past my bedtime."

Sometimes it can't be helped lmao. I hope you weren't too upset by it, and I'll edit out the bedtime thing from my other post, while I do believe I'm right in that part, the only proof I have is the lack of and I'm willing to concede that doesn't mean it's not true. Even if I want it to be GRR.

"You refused some things that were canon or came up with ideas that weren't supported by canon"

Tbh I might need someone to hold my hand and point out where I went wrong with it, that post was definitely aimed at being as canon as possible with direct quotes to support it (obviously didn't add them because that would've made the post too long to be bearable), but obviously the one with the lack of proof is the bedtime story one which I'm willing to edit out (and pretend to be salty about it).

BUT ALSO FAIR ON BEING DEFENSIVE. I understand, I get that way too around certain theories and ideas, which is the main reason I have built myself into this corner, I barely follow anyone and don't wander out into the fandom anymore. Is it lonely? NOPE. Do I regret any potential awesome friend out there that I'm missing because I'm doing this? YES. ALL THE TIME. I've made awesome friends but what if there's ones out there that I can't get because I have to find and interact first? AHH I THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT.

But anyway, you're not a shitty person, as I mentioned in another ask, your ask inspired a comic! I had to rush to note it down because I was relying on my memeory to hold it to sketching stage but felt it slipping away lmao. I am a little concerned the comic will come across as having malicious intent BUT I WANT TO DRAW MORE THAN ANY CONCERNS I HAVE.

[maxladcomics]

I always hc that both sans and papyrus used to have nightmares and/or insomnia (not like the fanon, just generally). papyrus asked sans to read him a bedtime story after a bad nightmare, and it helped a both of them a lot and since then it became a tradition for sans to read papyrus, or even then other way around depending on the situation

I want to argue this and imply it's the other way around but I can see that would come from personal bias and I can already see Papyrus has a certain trust/belief in Sans that makes this headcanon likely

But that's not fair I want to be salty (I'm joking, I'm saying this because it's funny to me)

But on the contradicting side, I wonder if Papyrus would willingly give Sans that ammo to use and tell other people. He's definitely willing to let anyone say anything about him without a care in the world, but why? Is it because he's playing a character himself? And any insult/attack on his character isn't a direct attack on himself?

Not trying to imply Sans is malicious when he tells us things about Papyrus that aren't true- it has potential to be malicious, but it's unclearly why either of them are doing it and it seems clear to me that Papyrus is in on it, although I'm still trying to work out if it's the super simple reason I can already see proof for or something mysterious like what I'm rambling about here.

Obviously you can see which option I'm picking lmao, super simple answer? NAAAHH.

On the upside, this has inspired a comic, I'm gonna sketch it out and see if I can grind it out quickly so it doesn't interrupt too much with my other comics that I keep slacking on

[maxladcomics]

How old do you think Sans and Papyrus are? Is their age different in other universes?

[This turned into a ramble, the short answer is I think Papyrus is somewhere around 18-25, and his brother could be a teenager or old man. In other AU's I've made my own version for, it's the same until I got into the Gemknight AU's. So for most versions of AU's I've made, Papyrus is the younger (Great for angst!) but later (Gravel-type AU's) Papyrus could be the older brother (Also great for angst) ]

The ramble:

I used to think that Papyrus was the younger one but I'm starting to question/doubt that, but it's difficult to tell with all the deceit between those two bastards. The way they're both different levels of liars makes it hard to tell what's true and what's not (I know about the Japanese version where it's heavily implied Papyrus is the younger brother).

I have a theory that sits on the side of "Why are they like this?" and "I'm probably reading this wrong" but I get the impression that they are both playing/acting a part to purposely deceive us. Papyrus acts out depending on the prompts that he's given by his brother, it's happened more than once and I'm very suspicious at it. Is it a prompt game? What would it mean? Is his brother being malicious about it? (doubt it, he's too lazy for that) So am I imagining it? Did they plan this 'game' because it lowered the risk of a murder run? I know Papyrus would agree to a risk like that.. but it wouldn't make sense for his brother to.

If they're playing a game like this, it's possible everything they say around each other is an intentional (or lazy) lie. So I guess unless I learn to read/translate Japanese myself I probably won't be able figure it out and I don't think Toby would restrict important lore like that.. but at the same time I'm not sure. Either way I don't trust what Papyrus pretends to be around his brother.

But back to the main question:

I'm starting to lean on the idea of Papyrus being the older brother, I think it's a fun concept to explore and I'm glad @fluo-skeletons AU's brought that idea into my range and I've started to adjust any new AU's I make into a similar concept/theme because I want to see how different things turn out. (Nothing changes, it's still angst)

I think Papyrus is in his late teens, or early 20's.. maybe 25 at the highest or maybe older than Asgore himself?? I've recently discovered timeline things in Undertale that are making me question everything (I know, some things avoid me when all I do is weird shit like check if there's patterns in Papyrus's bookshelf) so I need to evaluate and line things up to understand the full timeline and what's going on. I don't know how old his brother is and there's no indicator to guess, he could be an old man or an edgy teenager.

A lot of the AU's I started with have Papyrus as the younger brother by a few years, (his brother appears a lot older but that's because he didn't have much growing left to do) and newer AU's I'm changing that around, not that it changes anything between them, it just makes Papyrus's behavior make more sense, which is good for consistency.

[mistermxxnys]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your jily art!! It's always so delightful and joyful to see "new blood" in our fandom, especially new artists or writers, especially since jily lovers have become rarer 🥺 they deserve the best! You don't know how happy it made me to see your posts yesterday 🥹

No, thank you for this incredibly sweet message!! It makes me incredibly happy (I immediately showed this ask to my fiancé because it made me BEAM) to hear that!!! I joined the Marauders fandom when I was 12/13 - originally by lurking and then eventually by fanfic creation myself. Back in the day, Jily was such of a commonplace ship!! When I was 17ish? I started getting into art, and I created some very rough Marauders fanart because I was very immersed in the world & fandom. Unfortunately, during the big bad Corona, I started to fall out of love with the Marauders fandom due to all the controversies within it - and the rise of certain ships I personally disagreed with. I felt like I had to conform to the new look of Marauders content or cease creation. (This wasn't ACTUALLY the case, I just didn't have the headspace and growth mindset at the time to realize that inherently other creators or myself are doing nothing wrong by simply just doing what they love.) I've always wanted to create a blog specifically for the Marauders, but I felt as though I missed the "prime". I've since realized that is not true!! The Marauders are an incredibly fan-nurtured niche in the canon Harry Potter fandom! The fans keep it alive by breathing new life into it. So, I decided with this blog, I would create a space where I felt comfortable to share the part of the Marauders that *I* personally originally fell in love with. That's what I think is the beauty of this fandom- at its core - we all share these characters and nobody has the right to make anyone feel unwelcomed in it! Personally, one of the things I love about the Marauders is Jily! It's been a dream come true to see that there are such supportive and kind people in this fandom - like yourself - who support new creators even though the content may not be as popular as it once was. So, really from the bottom of my heart, thank *you* for taking the time to send this in my ask box! And thank you for bearing with my needlessly long post lol

[mistermxxnys]

Love love love ur Jily art so much. Ur so talented. Such a delight to see ur art in my dashboard everytime❤❤

!?!?!?!?!?! <3 <3 <3 <3 I wanted to sincerely thank you for this incredibly sweet comment!! As a small artist, asks like this really motivate me and make me feel like my art can make someone smile. This ask has made me smile and was a delight to find resting in my inbox. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to a send a message my way. ♡

[mistermxxnys]

if anyone has any marauders art requests,, my asks are open,,, and my brainrot is itching for prompts

[maxladcomics]

I feel like this fandom associated the fear of forgetting with Gaster so much, that many kind of forgot how the whole game is touching upon that. Not the fear per se, but the concept of forgetting/leaving behind, either willingly or forcefully. The Monsters entirely forgot how Humans look like (except one-two), some of them acted like Toriel just didn't exist after she left for the Ruins, Flowey tells you to leave the best ending, asks to not erase it and then says that if we do erase it, then we have to make him forget too. Like, I know the fandom focuses on RESETs a lot, especially when it comes to Chara/Sans about how they deal with either still remembering or them realising they don't remember, but come on, Asriel is right there with one of the most genuine fears a child can have throughout growing up. Anyways, this is my little rant, my apologies - pentoll

THIS IS A GREAT RANT

I think it's interesting because the first few characters I associate with the fear of forgetting or being forgotten would be Goner Kid, Papyrus and maybe Alphys for some reason. I think Flowey and Asriel need more attention! Which I will try to give, in my AU's and comics whenigettodrawingthem.

But that is a good point! I can't remember if it was mentioned in the game but I think they're prone to forgetting about other monsters and bad things to prevent them losing hope, they're all in a very fragile state. They have been underground for so long that most monsters (except Gerson, Asgore and Toriel) don't know what the surface is like, and only have a vague promise that one more human can get them out.

Most monsters haven't lived long enough to know that Toriel existed, and considering Gerson is the only one that speaks of her- it's very likely the only ones that were aware of her are either already gone, or they avoid the subject because it causes them grief. Asgore does this as well, his diary saying "Good day today!" on every page says a lot.

I went kinda off topic I guess, BUT! I do agree that Asriel and Flowey have a lot to them, and a lot of potential to explore their fears and what they've been through.

I do plan on having Flowey in a future comic so this gives me some things to think on.. He was just going to hang out and make some jokes and sneer at a few things but maybe he should get some time to vent or show his feelings on things.. HMHM.

[maxladcomics]

where do monsters go when they die I mean is there a place for different class monsters like boss monsters and monsters with low attacks?

Hmm, I don't think there would be any difference depending on what class a monster is. Obviously we don't get much information from the game- but the monsters generally believe that spreading the dust of a monster onto their favourite thing (the game specifies thing instead of item, hmm) will allow them to live on through that. Of course it's just a belief and no monster has come back through anything-

Except Flowey.

Considering that Flowey exists with the memories and personality of Asriel, this is true. All they need is a little determination pff.

But there is only 1 Flowey, while Asriel's dust should have logically spread over a larger area. So it seems like even a small amount of their dust can hold everything about them. Or perhaps the determination drew everything about Asriel into Flowey?

Anyway the point is that the dust seems to only spawn one version of the character- it can't have more than one, there are a lot of flowers in the lab, and the entries say how Alphys eventually resorted to injecting everything with Determination. But there is still only 1 Flowey.

To answer the question directly: No, they don't go anywhere. Their dust is waiting for someone with the abilities and knowledge to bring the lost monsters back.

Obviously the monsters have no idea this is possible. So the dust sits on their favourite thing.

I think if Alphys found out who Flowey was, she would research it to see if it could be done for other fallen monsters. The most important thing is that the dust can't just form back into the monster it used to be- so it would need a container.. but then there's the risk of... well, Flowey.

Flowey has a save location, and creating another monster like him would risk this new one having a save location, or worse- a file.

Anyway.

Ruining my first point- maybe this is only possible because Asriel is/was/technically a boss monster. Maybe it wouldn't work for normal or lesser monsters.

It really makes me think about the pet rock that Papyrus seems very intent on feeding, though. Maybe he knows something we don't? (OF COURSE HE DOES)

That's all the information I think I have pff.