#marie d'agoult

[miieandering]

lore that absolutely no one asked for

[wrongnote-lc]

Liszt's Family Photo Compilation 🖼

[chelleshistorydump]

Ah, yes. Procrastination at its best.

[madamelareinette]

La commédienne exits from here and I hurry to tell you my impressions without retinence or diplomacy. I found her with a devastated face, almost ugly, of a thin and emaciated appearence, not at all a great lady, less intellectual than I thought. She's remained a hour and hasn't said a word of even little significance, she rotates her eyes in a very unpleasant and affected manner and besides this diffuses around herself a je ne sais quoi air of falsehood and malignity. I believe to have conducted myself naturally and in any way more intellectually than her. She was at first quite inihibited, then more and more loose: in short I have to praise myself for my course of action, but I have of her a most detestable opinion (did you know that she does communion?).

Marie d'Agoult's totally unbiased account of Cristina di Belgioioso's first and only visit to her. From a letter to Franz Liszt, 11 May 1840

[elektrischemaidchen]

"Aber von allen gemeinen Fraun / war es Dir nicht zuzutraun/ Lola Montez verzeih ich Dir nie"

Der heutige Blogeintrag widmet sich unserem Song "Nelida" oder - besser gesagt - jener Lola Montez, die nicht nur der Nagel zum Sarg in der Beziehung von Franz Liszt und Marie D'Agoult gewesen ist, sondern auch der der Regentschaft von Ludwig I. von Bayern.

Und bei letzterem haben wir sie auch das erste Mal kennengelernt. Die Spanierin, die keine war, sondern Irin, die zu Lebenszeiten kein perfektes Spanisch sprach, was aber kaum jemand aufgefallen zu sein schien, machte sie doch fehlende Sprachkenntnisse durch ihr Temperament und ihren eigenartigen feurigen Tanzstil einfach dem Erdboden gleich. Es gibt viele Geschichten über Lola. Sehr viele. Nicht alle sind wahr, aber man mag vermuten, dass die aufbrausende, zickige und stolze Lola wahrscheinlich schon nicht die einfachste Dame unter der Sonne war. Und es dürfte ihr gefallen, dass ihr Image (Reitgerte, Polizisten ohrfeigen, auf Tischen tanzen usw) noch heute alle Register eines perfekten Marketings spiegelt. Ihre eigenartige wie sinnliche Tanzart (wie z.B. später ihr "Signature"- Spinnentanz), die uns heute wahrscheinlich extrem harmlos vorkommen würde, aber zu ihrer Zeit der Gipfel der Verruchtheit war,  war genauso ihr Markenzeichen, wie der Skandal mit dem bayerischen alten König, der zur Staatsräson wurde.

Und dann begegnen wir ihr wieder, in Liszts Biografie. Denn noch lange bevor Lola sich Ludwig zum Untertan gemacht hat, 1844, kursieren Gerüchte über eine Affaire mit Franz in Dresden. Der - so will es die Legende - dem Hotelier Geld zugesteckt hat, um Lola für eine gewisse Zeit im Hotelzimmer  einzusperren, damit er weit genug flüchten kann.. und auch um die Möbel zu bezahlen, die sie in einem Wutausbruch zertrümmern würde. Für diese Legende gibt es keinerlei Quellen, aber die Skandalmeldungen der damaligen Zeitungen waren Grund genug, dass Liszts Lebensgefährtin (und Mutter seiner 3 Kinder) endgültig das Handtuch warf. Affairen okay, aber bei der Montez hörte der Spass auf.

Später schrieb Marie einen fiktiven Roman über ihre Zeit mit Liszt, Nélida, den sie unter dem Namen Daniel Stern veröffentlichte und der Liszt (trotz anderweitiger Aussagen in Briefen an seine Freunde) sehr zugesetzt haben muss.

Und wir können Marie irgendwie verstehen. Denn als wir das erste Mal von Lola in der (tollen!!!) Liszt-Biographie von Burger lasen, war auch unser erster Gedanke: "Franz. Echt jetzt. Kannste nicht bringen. Nicht Lola, ey."

Auch auf ihrem Bildnis in der Nymphenburger Schönheitengalerie fanden wir Lola, vielleicht ob ihres "resting bitch- faces", schon immer suspekt (und in der Galerie ist auch Charlotte von Hagn dabei, die Liszt wahrscheinlich auch getackert hat! Die war hot! Und die Sedlmayer!) ...und wenn man sich so die späteren Fotos von ihr ansieht, naja. Lola halt.

Dabei haben wir echt versucht,  Lola zu verstehen. Marita Krauss' Buch über sie gelesen. Besser wurde es nicht. Belassen wir es dabei. Der Songtext hat sich auf jeden Fall fast selbst geschrieben,  das passiert selten.

Echt Franz, ey.

[foxynovacoda]

For anyone interested, this is a list with the dates of birth and death of some classical composers' children (I'll probably make more)

[franzliszt-official]

Hello Mr Liszt :) I hope your Wednesday is going well, I have some questions so this might be quite long. I was reading these letters:

and I was wondering if you remember why you and Marie were upset with Sand and Chopin? I’ve read before that George came and visited you and Marie in Switzerland and flirted a little too much and that this created jealousy and hatred between her and Marie. Also that your attempts at peacekeeping led everyone to blame you for the situation anyway. But I thought this was a while before Chopin’s 1841 concert… were George and Marie still trying to one up each other?

Also, was it that you were annoyed with Chopin but didn’t wish him ill health, or were you genuinely trying to steal his thunder by going up on stage? I’m finding it all very confusing, especially the reasoning behind the ‘spiteful’ article, so if you can shed light on what was going on I’d be very very very very grateful!

Sorry about how long this is, I’ve made the writing extra small!

Very sincerely

—Pim

Good day.

Such things are long gone and deserve no space in what remains of us in posterity.

These were petty, mundane affairs and deserve not to be remembered.

The press only deteriorated things and drove us to further useless, vulgare mind games.

It's all long gone.

And, Chopin had no thunder to be stolen in the first place >:)

[venicepearl]

Marie Cathérine Sophie, Comtesse d'Agoult (née de Flavigny; 31 December 1805 – 5 March 1876), was a French romantic author and historian, known also by her pen name, Daniel Stern.

[feliscatussohn]

I was researching Marie d'agoult before I was hit with the sudden realization. i.

looks a lot like

HEinrich Heine?? yea i think that i should go to sleep too

[helpiminahotairballoon]

1837 watercolour showing George Sand (1804-1876) and countess Marie d'Agoult (1805-1876) in an opera box, by Mathilde Odier née de Laborde (1815-1904).

[plunderherz]

Lisztiana in a nutshell.

Liszt: Existence.

Liszt's Diary No 1: Honour your parents! It's God's will!

Liszt Diary No 2: I sometimes burn and cry for no reason! Chopin wrote to me today! It has snowed! Here is a Bach quotation!

Liszt in his letters: Hello Mother, I didn't get a seat in the carriage today! Hello Marie! I'm pining for you! Read this book, you will like it. Come here and then we'll just talk about art and stuff...you know...Just come here. Come alone. By the way: Berlioz is crying again.

Gustav Schilling in 1844: Let's write a biography about this handsome guy! He's only 33! I'll tell you everything anyway!

Marie D'Agoult: I'm writing NeLiDa now!!!!

Olga Janina: Sheesh, Franz. It's your fault you didn't want me! I pet wolves too!!!! And then I'll tell everyone how crazy I am and how perverse you are!

Lina Ramann: I met Liszt! And he told me everything differently! Let's write 3 bible-resque volumes about how godlike the master was! Box sentences. I need a lot more box sentences! Schilling is a loser!

Lina Ramann later: Liszt was actually a really cool guy, here's my diary, actually better than the biography, never mind! You will never read this anyway! It's probably the best summary of Liszt ever written, but nobody will care!

Guy de Portales (and all other Liszt biographers up to 1950s): There was Franz Liszt. But Wagner. Have we talked about Wagner yet? He's a great guy. Here are letters from Franz Liszt. But Cosima released them beforehand. Wagner was mega, by the way!

Hungarian rhapsody novel that's always everywhere: Fraaaanziii!

Hungarian series from the 80s: Fraaaanzi! But a bit of Ramann is also a must. Hey, let's use the same dude who played Franz in young age, he could also be Daniel!

Alan Walker: I'm the one you've always been waiting for. Sit by the fire and listen to all my sources, because I've researched like no other. By the way, Chopin couldn't have been gay. Because that's not possible. All the very gay letters were only written out of confusion. He thought of women, while writing gay stuff. Amen to that. (I also copy a bit from Lina Ramann, but don't believe her!!) Sheet music. I'm into it.

Ernst Burger: I'm a pianist myself. Here is my Liszt collection. Look and be amazed! (I'm giving it to the shitty Museum in Bayreuth anyway.) Here's the Liszt Bible, pay 200 euros for it second-hand and be happy! (And here are even more Liszt photo books. Love them!)

Oliver Hilmes: Heeey, thanks everbody! My book is a smooth collection of Walker, Burger and Ramann. Let's chill!

Me, in 2025: I am still glad about Lisztober, @franzliszt-official ;)

[scourgiez]

I keep thinking about the friendship they shared before they Stopped Liking Each Other

[wrongnote-lc]

[ Irrevocable Times ]

20th century AU of Liszt, Chopin, and Sand

(Marie D'agoult is there too even though it's not drawn on the artwork)

[chopinski-official]

Wait Pleyel's wife was also Marie? How many Marie's were in Franz's bed? Marie D'Agoult, Marie Pleyel, Marie Duplessis, and in the afterlife even @marie-schneider .

His mother's name is also Marie. Is that Marie's curse?

Sounds more like an Oedipus complex to me. Anything to add, @franzliszt-official?

[fallen-angel-adam-frankenstein]

Are you a normal fucking human being or do you also ship the Fryderyk Chopin-George Sand-Franz Liszt-Marie d'Agoult polycule?