#manhood on the otherhand does come with some room to easily slip into misogynsitic behaviors and ideas
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corviddusk · 5 days ago
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genuinely asking, how does the things you said, and i mean everything, apply or work when the transmasc doesn't pass as a cis man? does he still have privilege?
That's a reasonable question and the answer to it is where things get way more complicated.
Trans men who don't pass primarily do not receive benefits of male privilege in any overt manner and will not have as much of the systemic power as a cis man by far. They will have even less claim to it than cis men who are effeminate. However there are a few variables that could lead to plausible utilize of the category of man- even if it's more difficult. This is common in some things that I used to see going around like advice to be more masculine that was based on toxic masculinity.
Get rid of everything you once loved that is too fem, refuse to wear color, become aggressive and cruel, be meaner, take up more space, refuse to move to the side when someone is walking towards you only women move, etc. Those things are specifically coming from trying to fit in with the cissexist patriarchal "man" rather than men as a masculine class of people. The push to behave in certain manners to be seen as more male is to reaffirm what manhood is- and sometimes people sadly push to reaffirm toxic masculinity. This is by far not the majority but it is indeed a subtle way that trans men can end up unintentionally playing into systemic issues. This usually comes from younger trans guys and by younger I mean children. It's understandable that a lot of people's views on men would be formed in this way.
You may also gain a form of privilege by not being targeted by specific rhetoric or laws that target trans women or specifically those with the same gender marker as you (if you've already changed it) though in cases like we're seeing in my country, the USA, the gender marker will change nothing and you'll be attacked by misogynistic laws regardless. This comes into an odd area of limbo where there's numerous asides and notes and specificities that makes it possible to either be present or not. And the more common privilege that is gained is privilege to not be treated as a trans woman which isn't the same as male privilege and usually also means you get the disprivilege of being treated as a trans man.
Not one transmasculine person can ever hold the same level of power that cis men do in the patriarchy. Even the most stealth and interpersonally misogynistic example you could come up with could easily be dwarfed in impact by the actions of numerous cisgender men. However the ability to be those things without your own rhetoric being applied to yourself as you are obviously not a woman does mean that there's more privilege than when a women who was just as misogynistic would be in the same position. (That was a generalized you I don't believe the anon is misogynistic to be clear).
So yes he would have some privilege over women to a degree that doesn't lead to that massive of an impact, however it's still there and it's important to try to not fall into traps. Part of the pressure while you transition is the pressure to conform to cissexist ideas of man or woman. You don't have to be the overly strong breadwinner who hates his wife and has a man cave and prefers his bro time. You can be loving father, a devoted lover, a solitary man who makes his life his own and wonderous, an author, a painter, anything you desire. You can rely on others and be kind. You can also be weak. There is nothing wrong with not being the ideal man in the eyes of cis people.
Once again I want to emphasize that this is not how all trans men act nor are all going to have power themselves. However the plausibility or capability to utilize certain forms of systemic oppression while not misgendering yourself is a privilege. Transfems cannot experience those specific things without forcing themselves into the closet and further causing harm to them (though that doesn't defend people with internalized issues acting poorly). I believe there are other ways women specifically can uphold patriarchal ideas that are less common than men to do and may eventually talk about that.
Basically non-passing trans men have severely less male privilege than passing trans men. But they have like the smallest amount to where internalized misogyny getting externalized tends to not be self hating as much as it is harmful to others because they're men and not women.
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