#love or hate chaggie…. the fandom’s treatment of the chaggie fandom and wlw in general was absulotely awful.

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(Note: The twitter post was made by a fan and not Vivziepop, just wanted to make sure that people know that.) Seeing how the Charlastor fandom used to be with how they would attack people who liked Vaggie x Charlie with how they would draw hate gore depicting Vaggie being decapitated because Chaggie fans kept trying to tell them to stop hating on their ship (this shit was actually, I shit you not, popular in the fandom at one point. But because the toxic mlm depictions in the fandom were so (and to this day) so popular the creators did nothing about it despite the fact that some people in the wlw part of the fandom who loved chaggie were even being bullied into wanting to k*ll themselves because of how bad it got The insane charlastor (not all of them, just the awful parts.) part of the fandom even started attacking the creators after they joked about not wanting it to be canon, it was fucking horrendous.) the way that people are with Vaggie, and the lack of highlight towards anything wlw, and the way that the staff treat us (im wlw btw) as more as merch fuel or eyecandy than people for the most part as of the past two years with them only highlighting mainly the toxic mlm depictions instead of you know, the main relationship of the entire franchise, which happens to be wlw (Charlie and Vaggie.)… This fandom just really doesn’t like women. Or at least, how the reality of how women and wlw are outside of cartoon steortypes, since unless its meant for on screen fetishization (looking at you Addict…) people either dont care about it or root for erasure because of how much they dislike them, same for how they treated asexuals when it comes to Alastor in how they would have hissy fits over the fact that he was aroace, harass people who wanted better representation, or purposely mocked that aspect of him within some of their fanart. Even now, the way people treat wlw and ace people within this fandom is still quite awful.

Absolutely horrible. And I hope to fuck that they treat Vaggie better in the show simply because im so sick of people using her as an object to hate on wlw by either erasing her sexuality in the fandom, hating on the fact that her and charlie are together or creating art of her being tortured or cheated on because of their hatred towards lesbians.

So just for that, fuck it.

Happy Pride Month to all of the wlw within the fandom, you deserve to be happy with both yourselves, your relationships, and even your shippings (good or bad, because no matter how bad it is, it doesn’t deserve to be hated on simply for the fact that it involves sapphic women.) as much as everyone else. (Yes, some are most of these just background ones or were just created to be something that pleases male characters, but if they can have it “count” even if the canon depiction is toxic, we can too.)

Happy pride month to those who are aroace that feel happy that Alastor is aromantic and asexual, and no matter what anyone says, you deserve love (or kindness to those who are loveless aro, you matter as well.) and representation.

Fuck the phobes, fuck the people who think that erasure is “ok”, you are all valid and dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

Saw the recent post within the fandom for pride month and…

One are background characters we only see for a few seconds.

The other is a alright relationship.

While one is literal sexual harassment and the other is a relationship that (at multiple times) has leaned on abuse and one of them despises the other outside of sex.

The mlm community of the fandom really have been just eating all the scraps they can get for the past few years, havent they? No care for quality, or if there is even actual love, just “if theres two guys, it must be good!” since this series doesn’t really give mlm that many options in the first place. Just scraps. God, if this were the other way around, people would be flocking posts like these with discourse after discourse like flies, its only because this involves men instead of women that it gets a pass. You like the ship, fine, but dont try to use that as a way to justify the clearly borderline abusive or creepy behaviors of half of the relationships mentioned when it comes to their canon depictions.

The mlm and wlw have not been eating well with this franchise so far, most of it is praise just for them being gay, in a era where more lgbtq+ shows exist than ever before… why are people still acting so desperate as if this is the only gay representation on planet earth? Do they think that this the best that things are going to get? Because its definitely not seeing how things are now, especially since other lgbtq+ indie animations exists out there in the world today that are not getting nearly as much recognition as this series.

Bottom line: There is better out there now, options are not that limited, now is the time for quality, not for picking up scraps.