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* M E T A 0 2: lori and shane’s relationship
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the sheer complexity of lori and shane’s relationship is worthy of a novel, with its numerous components and explanations. however, in this meta, i will summarize what i believe are the most vital points to understanding lori’s perspective in all this, relying primarily on direct evidence from the show itself.
PRE-APOCALYPSE
❝ yeah, you always do, just like that time you showed up rick fixing our sink. ❞
there is something to be said about the strength of lori and shane’s friendship even before the world fell apart. it is established that shane was somewhat of an extension to their family as a whole, having a relationship with all three members of the grimes family ( with carl even seeing him as a sort of uncle figure ). there is a clear amount of fondness and trust that already exists between shane and lori, built upon at least a decade of knowing each other. so by the time of the outbreak, shane is perhaps the only other man besides rick with whom lori would entrust the life of her and her child.
however, there is a distinction between rick and lori’s respective friendships with shane ; he is rick’s best friend, not lori’s, and as such he will be on rick’s side of the court when it comes down to it ( just as lori has her own friends that serve similar roles ). rick and shane alike consider each other to be as good as brothers, having known each other at least since high school and being the best of friends ever since. shane is a dear and beloved friend to lori, but he is first and foremost rick’s brother.
HOW IT BEGAN
the two main factors behind lori’s decision to be involved with shane are i. rick was dead, and ii. the world was ending. it is important to recognize that without both of these factors present, lori never would have pursued a relationship with shane. of course they have chemistry, of course she cares for him greatly, and she obviously is not thinking advantageously or logically when she makes this choice. but after rick returns and she’s brought back to reality, lori is able to deconstruct her behavior and the thought processes that explain it, which i am going to expand upon below. tl;dr: her relationship with shane serves as a coping mechanism for lori’s grief and fear.
i. rick was dead
❝ look, i thought my husband was dead. and i felt like i died with him. and i — i wanted to feel something — anything. and now I hate myself for it. ❞
rick and lori were canonically married and had carl at a very young age ( early twenties, when you do the math ). this means that for practically all of lori’s adult life, she’s been married. even through all of their problems, rick and lori were partners, they didn’t really know how to function without each other, and they ultimately — as sarah wayne callies says — ❝ loved the living daylights out of each other ❞. so when rick dies and she is forced to leave him behind, the internal impact on lori is so great that it makes her feel like she ❝ died with him ❞. her grief left her in a state of numbness at having essentially lost her life as she’d known it for so many years.
so naturally, lori’s psyche longed to a. break that sense of numbness and b. regain the partner that she had lost. romantic and physical intimacy with shane satisfies the former, and the stability, companionship, and care that came along with being in a relationship satisfies the latter — and who other than rick’s best friend and partner, an already dear person in lori’s life, would better fill the rick-shaped hole in her heart ? it is also vital to note that shane could doubly fill that role by serving as an invested father-figure for carl, a factor which surely sealed the deal and made shane infinitely more attractive.
ii. the world was ending
❝ do you remember that night ? the flames, the… and i’m sitting in your car thinking, ‘we’re gonna be all right. he’s gonna make it all right. we’ll get out of here.’ ❞
the obvious thing here is to bring up the now-or-never, ‘we could die tomorrow’ mentality, which is definitely at play when it comes to lori’s expediency in starting a relationship mere weeks after her husband is declared dead. if the fact of the matter is that the rest of them may die at any moment, then of course this places a ticking clock on lori’s life and motivations ( as it does with shane’s ). in addition, on some level, lori’s focus on survival — particularly for carl’s sake — pushes her to become closer to shane because of the protection and safety that he offers.
but the end of the world also means that actions don’t have long-term consequences. this serves as more of a catalyst and becomes less of a factor as time goes on and their group of survivors stabilizes, but even so, lori would not have been thinking of a future with shane. her mindset is oriented towards surviving one day at a time.
WAS IT EVER REAL?
❝ even though things got… confused between us, you were there for me. you were there for me. thank you. […] whatever happened between us, whatever the hell we thought it was — and not just you, but — i’m sorry, shane. please believe me. i am so sorry. ❞
the short answer here is no — the spell is broken as soon as rick returns, and lori is forced to look the errors of her ways straight in the face. she makes it abundantly clear that her actions were a mistake, something she hates herself for and wishes she could take back. her guilt causes her to cut off from shane completely at first, and it also fuels an undeserved rage towards shane in a desperate attempt to find someone other than herself to blame. she does not fully come to terms with what she has done until her very last interaction with shane, where she finally expresses ownership over the wrong she has done by him and the pain she has caused.
her line about things getting ❝ confused ❞ refers to the fact that her emotions were indeed involved — she wasn’t merely using him for sex. as the rest of this meta explains, there are many feelings at the core of this relationship, which lori allows herself to get sucked into as a way to cope with her consuming grief and fear. but all of that shatters once rick returns, and lori can see for the first time with a clear mind how she had used shane and how wrong it all was.
does this mean that lori doesn’t genuinely care about shane ? of course not. much of the paragraphs above detail the intricacies of her feelings for him. with that said, of course she doesn’t love shane, because while what happens between them in those few weeks is undoubtedly complicated, ‘love’ is not at all the word to describe it.
#( * meta. )#lori grimes meta#twd meta#okay to rb#oof this was like 6 months in the making#but it's done now and i can breathe!!#i'm Happy with this#it's important to write it all out since its often misinterpreted#anyway i could write a novel about lori grimes#( * i made a mess of things. / SHANE & LORI )#( * you were there for me. / SHANE )
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I can’t believe it took me re-watching “The Walking Dead: New Frontier” to realize that season 3 is just the main series, but if Shane was the good guy.
Javier Garcia = Shane Walsh (the flirty, funny guy who’s interested in his best friend/brother’s wife)
Kate Garcia = Lori Grimes (the abused wife who decides to cheat on her husband with his best friend/brother)
David Garcia = Rick Grimes (the morally grey, prone-to-anger husband who learns his wife was cheating on him with his best friend/brother)
Gabe Garcia = Carl Grimes (the angsty, moody son who is trying his best to grow up in the zombie apocalypse)
I guess Clementine is technically Michonne since she’s a closed-off, lone-wolf scavenger who you meet in the woods.
#the walking dead#twd#twdg#telltale's the walking dead#the walking dead a new frontier#a new frontier#javier garcia#shane walsh#kate garcia#lori grimes#david garcia#rick grimes#gabe garcia#carl grimes#twdg clementine#michonne#twdg s3#twdg season 3#twd meta#twdg meta#gabriel garcia#clementine
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s2 “love triangle” (rick, lori & shane)
this is one of those things that often gets brushed over on the show imo so i’ll tackle it myself.
it’s obvious that lori gets a lot of hate for this situation but i personally don’t throw the blame on just one person there. tbh the reason it all happened related to rick in a lot of ways. lori + shane slept together to cope due to the apparent loss of rick. clearly they both caught some feelings but if we take sharick into consideration i believe that shane’s feelings for lori were transference. so that means that whatever unresolved feelings shane had for rick were tossed into his confusion in terms of lori.
do i believe the situation caused confusion for them both + caused some genuine feelings? yes.
do i believe those feelings caused confusion & created a rift between rick/shane & rick/lori? YES.
do i believe shane wanted rick’s family since he couldn’t have rick? & do i hc that shane/rick’s relationship was an unspoken/complicated thing to start? double yes.
from a casual observer it just seems like another run of the mill ‘love triangle. yet from a meta stand point this is so much more. rick felt betrayed by them both for various reasons but took it out on shane. meanwhile shane turned into a different person than he was post pre apocalypse. i hate even acknowledging what happened at the CDC since it had no point plot wise & was just nonsensical. so therefore i won’t even dive into that. as for lori, she didn’t change too wildly (other than her realizing she was pregnant) post apocalypse so there’s very little to unpack there.
it’s also important to note that rick’s marriage to lori wasn’t the happiest prior to the apocalypse. sure they weren’t abusing each other but rick didn’t communicate that well & lori pointed that out often. another thing to note is how one of the first things we see in 1x01 is rick/shane & their relationship dynamic.
so when we circle back to the love triangle & what it did, we get this over complicated mess. rick changed, shane changed & lori realized she was pregnant. obviously what made matters worse was rick’s denial, lori feeding his denial & shane lashing out due to both of those things.
lastly rick’s conversation with lori in 2x13 when he told her he killed shane was the final nail in their marriage. so basically no one won in that equation since shane died, rick’s old self died along with him & then lori died bringing judith into the world.
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Holy shit, I just realized in contemplating the way Rick went insane after Laurie died and then we kept seeing Laurie is Spectre hunting him. I realized that “woman as symbol in the mind of men“ could actually be a story about men pining and searching for the lost feminine with in them selves. In this day and age of toxic hyper masculinity, it makes sense, even if it might be a little sick. Sick, because this still renders women as objects, to a degree. But from a symbolic standpoint it only makes sense.
#writerloverpsycho-pomp#femininity#gender roles#toxic masculinity#Woman as symbols#rick grimes#lori grimes#mini meta
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Underrated ships meta series - #1 Rick and Lori (The Walking Dead)
This post is the first in a new meta series I’ll be writing about my favourite and most underrated ships in fandom. All posts in the series will be tagged as #underrated ships. To kick it off this series, I’ll be discussing Rick and Lori Grimes from The Walking Dead.
I think I’m one of a small handful of people that actually loves Rick and Lori as a ship. Generally, I think their relationship is very misunderstood and because it’s not the typical “passionate” or “fiery” relationship that people tend to fall in love with in fandom, the depth and complexity of their love is overlooked.
Rick and Lori were married for many years (although we never found out exactly how long, we can assume it was around a decade, if not more) so from the pilot episode, their relationship is already very developed. I’ve seen a trend in fandom whereby ships of this type aren’t very popular. I assume it’s because as shippers we love to see the process of two characters meeting, getting to know each other, falling in love and witnessing all the emotional ups and downs that go with that. However, I think there’s a beauty and realness to ships like Rick and Lori. There were issues in their relationship - they argued and there was a distance between them - like there are in most long-term relationships. It was no doubt a result of the pressures of everyday life as parents having the responsibilties of a child and a home. Rick likely worked long hours as a deputy sheriff and over the years people can change and grow apart. But what’s always clear is that there was always love between Rick and Lori during that time, no matter how hard things got between them.
When Rick woke from his coma he was driven by a singular desire to find his family. Believing her husband was dead and that the world was coming to an end, Lori fell into Shane’s arms and developed a sexual relationship for him. This is something that I’ve always felt Lori has been unfairly hated for. Her actions were completely understandable given the circurmstances and I’m sure many people in the same situation would behave the same way. It was clear that she was never in love with Shane and her actions were those of a grieving woman in a highly emotional state. Her love for Rick was shown immediately by the fact that she still wore his wedding ring around her neck.
Also Rick told Lori that he knew she and Carl were alive because when he went to the house all of their photos were gone; photos that she kept right by her bed. Yet another indicator of how much Lori still loved Rick. Not to mention that the blue flannel Lori is wearing in the first episode is actually Rick’s.
The second Lori saw Rick for the first time and realised he was alive her love became even clearer.
Lori thinking Rick was dead and thinking they’d lost each other forever was a wake up call for them both. It made them realise that all the difficulties they’d been facing in their relationship leading up to then weren’t important because they still loved each other.
I remember when I first watched TWD I was so sure that Lori would carry on with Shane behind Rick’s back, but she didn’t. The second she knew Rick was back there was no hesitancy or doubt, Rick was her husband and he was the man she loved. Rick knew very early on what had happened between Lori and Shane, and he accepted it because he saw it for what it was. He understood that Lori didn’t cheat on him or ever stop loving him, she slept with Shane because out of grief and because she thought her husband was dead. The certainty and security of their love was something they shared; Rick knew how much Lori loved him and Lori knew how much Rick loved her.
Rick and Lori’s relationship was never thrown in our faces, but they shared moments of tenderness and affection that showed how much they loved each other.
They were also a partnership. They leaned on one another and communicated openly. When Carl was shot, in particular, the way in which they united and relied on one another for strength was clear.
But it wasn’t always plain sailing. They disagreed sometimes - Rick did things that Lori didn’t want him to, putting himself in danger in the process and Lori didn’t tell him immediately about her pregnancy or her decision to have an abortion (which she then changed her mind about).
Yet there was still an honesty between them, even if that honesty wasn’t always immediate. And through everything they were always each others’ anchor. Rick, in particular, with all of the pressures that was placed on him as the groups leader, turned to Lori for support and she acted as his voice of reason. Lori and Carl were what kept him centered, his reason for living and his strength.
As Andrew Lincoln rightfully said, Lori and Carl were the two engines of his life. He was also right when he said the below quote:
“They are their first loves. They're almost at a cellular level. They love each other and they can't help that. Even though they're broken, they're the last memory that they have of their life before.” (x)
Rick and Lori’s relationship is rocky and it’s far from perfect, but their love for each other is in their DNA. After the events of season 2, Rick and Lori become estranged and their relationship breaks down in season 3 leading up to her death.
But once again it’s so obvious that these are two people that are in love but that have been through so much shit and are stuck in such horrendous circumstances that they simply can’t make their relationship work. In their final scene together, Lori’s says “I thought you were coming out here to talk about us”, which shows that she wanted to get things back on track with Rick. And her reaction to him walking away from her is the look of a woman who is broken hearted to be losing the man she loves.
When Lori dies, we see that Lori’s love for Rick wasn’t one-sided. Despite how closed off and cold he seemed to be towards Lori, her death completely broke him.
Not only does he wail in despair and fall to the ground sobbing, he then goes into a catatonic state and a fit of rage as he kills every walker in sight and repeatedly stabs the walker that ate Lori. Rick’s mental state is so affected by Lori’s death that he hallucinates a phone call with her and proceeds to have multiple hallucinations whereby he sees Lori and even interacts with her.
(my gifs)
The phone call is so heartbreaking because we finally hear everything Rick has been thinking and feeling about Lori. He admits that he still loves her and says he couldn’t put it back together. The regret of not being able to make his marriage work and not telling her exactly how much he loved her before she died was eating him up inside.
It confirmed that Rick never stopped loving Lori, and that deep down inside he always hoped and believed they could find a way to be together again. His hallucinations were the only way his mind was able to deal with her loss and the devastating regret of never saying goodbye and telling her all the things he wanted to say.
By the point that Lori died, Rick had already been hardened by the new world and experienced loss and death, but losing his wife is by far the most profound loss he suffers up to this point and we really see how deeply it affects him. It’s not the kind of death where he cries once and then moves on. His entire mental and emotional state is detroyed and the impact of it takes its toll on him throughout the whole of season 3. Even in the final episode of the season, when he’s leaving the prison, he looks up to the gate where he last spoke to Lori before she died.
It’s really no surprise that Rick reacted this way to Lori’s death. She’d been his partner for most (if not all) of his adult life. She was the woman he had shared everything with for decades; his wife, his best friend, his confidante, his anchor, his comfort, the mother of his child, his safety. She was everything he’d ever known and regardless of how distant they became or the circurmstances that pushed them apart, she was his constant. Rick would always, no matter what happened or how much time passed, love Lori.
Even in death, his love for her is clear. He continued to wear his wedding ring for a long time after she died and dedicated his life to raising Judith as his own. This is something that’s taken forgranted by fans. It was almost a given that Rick would care for Judith and be her father, when in reality, he could’ve refused. He could’ve resented Judith because she’s Shane’s daughter and a living reminder of his best friend who who murdered and that slept with his wife, betrayed him and tried to kill him. He also could’ve resented Judith for leading to Lori’s death. In fact, I think part of him did initially and that’s why in the immediate aftermath of Lori’s death he couldn’t bring himself to see her or hold her. But the second he did, he loved her and knew she was and always would be his daughter regardless of biology.
There’s no doubt in my mind that Rick loves Judith partly because she’s Carl’s sister, but it’s also because she’s Lori’s daughter. He lost his wife, but he has Judith who is a piece of Lori just as Carl is. But more importantly, Lori specifically told Rick that no matter what happened he was always going to be the father of her baby.
Rick loves Judith because she’s daughter, but everything he has done for Judith and every ounce of love he has for her stems from his love for his wife. It’s so easy for people to forget that, but if Rick didn’t love and respect Lori as much as he did, it’s possible he may have never come to accept and love Judith as his own daughter in the way that he did.
I love Rick and Lori’s relationship because I think it’s a real relationship. It’s not the kind of great epic love story that draws people in, it’s more subtle than that and more alike to relationships that ordinary people have. They had their ups and downs, neither of them were perfect and their relationship broke down more than once, but through all of those downs, their love remained strong. They were always connected and there was an inevitability to them. Even when they were at their worst, they still believed in their hearts they’d be together again. They had a mutual respect and understanding, and they were a partnership. Rick turned to Lori for support and advice when he was at a crossroads and didn’t know where to turn. Lori leaned on Rick for strength as her husband and father of her child. She trusted that he would always keep them safe and act in their best interests. Unfortunately, their story ended tragically. Lori died never knowing how Rick truly felt and Rick had to suffer the soul-destroying pain of losing his wife and live with the guilt of her death and regret that he didn’t tell her he loved her whilst he still had the chance. But even in death their love lives on and no matter how much time passes or what changes, Rick will always carry Lori in his heart because they were the love of each others’ lives.
*none of the gifs are mine (except the two I’ve stated)*
#the walking dead#twd#lorick#rick x lori#the walking dead meta#twd meta#tv#tv meta#meta#ship analysis#mine#mine: twd#mine: tv#mine: meta#mine: tv meta#mine: ship analysis#underrated ships
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I will never get over how there are people in pretty much every fandom who don’t seem to understand the point of narrative development.
Like, there’s a post on the Rick Grimes tag about how Rick “failed” Carl repeatedly and thus doesn’t “deserve the moral high ground.” And I can’t help wonder if this person even understands how a story is supposed to work.
As soon as we started seeing those articles about how Carl’s death was supposed to fill the plot hole as to why Rick spares Negan in the comics, I knew exactly how this story was going to go.
1. Carl asks Rick to make peace with Negan/the Saviors.
2. Rick initially is consumed with rage and vengeance and refuses to listen.
3. Rick ultimately spares Negan.
Now there have been a lot of interesting debate on whether or not it’s even in character for Carl to make this request, given his own desires to kill Negan. I personally think it makes sense when you look at it from the point of view that Carl is making this request, not because he cares about NEGAN as a person, but because he’s trying to save RICK.
He saw what happened to Rick when Lori died. Rick did pull himself back from it, because Carl needed him to. He also saw what happened to Rick after that. He’s seen Rick at his worst, most inhuman, and he knows that when he’s gone, Rick is going to have that much harder a time coming back. He wants Rick to hold onto his humanity.
It kept boggling me when I’d see people respond to Rick’s desperate attempts to kill Negan, or his tricking and killing of the Saviors with “he’s not listening to Carl” (but Negan is somehow more respectful of Carl’s memory even when he’s coating weapons with Walker blood to try to infect his victims.)
Of course Rick wasn’t listening to Carl. He was a grieving father, channeling his rage and grief into the conflict in front of him. He wasn’t ready to hear what Carl was saying. It’s perfectly human. But from a meta-level, Rick couldn’t listen to Carl right away because then we wouldn’t have the final conflict of the season.
Because that’s the thing: the question was never “Will Team Family win this war?” That was a foregone conclusion, unless the showrunners decided this series was going to end with season eight. The question was “Will Rick choose his own vengeance or his son’s mercy?”
And really, we all probably knew what he’d choose in the end, but the point is seeing him get there. And because it’s a tv series, Rick wasn’t going to give us a definitive answer to that question until episode 16.
And that means that BEFORE episode 16, Rick was going to have to be pretty hardcore on the vengeance/wrath side, or else there wasn’t even going to be a question.
It’s not a matter of Negan being more sympathetic than the Saviors that Rick killed (he’s definitely not), or his life mattering more than the Saviors that Rick killed (it doesn’t). It has to do with Rick, what he can live with and what he can come back from. Those Saviors represented Rick at his rock bottom, very close to a point of no return. Negan was either going to be the final nail in the coffin of Rick’s humanity, or his way back.
Because that’s really been the theme of Walking Dead, at least from season 3 onward. Not “is this the right thing to do?” Because often it very clearly is NOT. But “Can you come back from this?”
Now you can argue until the cows come home about whether or not Rick has more or less right than Maggie in deciding Negan’s final fate. (As I mentioned before, I’m basically Team Maggie here.) But it’s not about whether or not Rick has some supposed “moral high ground”. It’s about what Rick, personally, can live with.
Rick chose to spare Negan, not because Negan deserves it. Negan doesn’t. Rick spared Negan because he needed to spare him. Because he needed to come back from his grief and rage and try to be the man his son wants him to be. And it works for me. Rick does so much for everyone else that I can accept that he’s making this one choice for him, because he needs this.
That said, I’m still absolutely in favor of Maggie or Daryl knifing Negan in his prison cell. Rick’s made the choice that he personally needed to make. He came back. Whatever happens now isn’t on him. So let’s take out the trash.
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Discussing Skybound’s Magazines [Team Delusional Mega Meta]
Time to have a little fun, Y'all!
Well… This STARTED as a fun project Saturday night and now it’s early Tuesday morning/Monday night [1AM] and I’M STILL fucking working on this thing… I finally finished it though so that’s pretty fun.
But guys… This took me three days and eighteen hours… Eighteen hours! This thing was written up in OpenOffice and it is long long, Y'all. Like I seriously just meant to do a simple break down… Not for it to get THIS fucking huge.
So if you’re going into this, be prepared to sit down and read for awhile…
On another note, while this is longer than I intended and I spent way too much time on it, this was meant to be fun. I enjoy metas and I like doing research and to me, this was a mixture of both and digging around is fun sometimes.
So this is in fun… It’s also a Team Defiance/Team Delusional meta. So a good chunk of things WILL be related to Beth Greene. I also incorporated other characters since other characters are essential to explaining things and can lead to a TD. But this is Beth centered mostly. It’s also centered on speculation of where things are going in the show.
I am aware that these magazines can mean absolutely nothing and were just made to be a gag and wordplay. But as I said, the idea of digging around them was meant for fun. So take what you will outta this LONG AS FUCK Meta.
That said, have fun and message me! Do you agree, do you disagree, do you think I’m a loco (of course I am but you can still ask!), what do you think?
Magazine 1: GQ [Fashion Magazine]
Magazine Topics
Right
Fall fashion guide Keeping an eye on the delicious new trend
12 Hats to add to your style bible
The sexiest zombie couple “alive”
Left
D&G Light Red: Walkers hate it, women can’t get enough of it
Carl Grimes is finally all grown up
How to win the war against the saviors
Stay chic in whichever year it is
Under the Magazine
Upgrade your wardrobe and stay fresh under the harshest and bloodies condition
First off, putting Chandler Riggs – Carl Grimes – as the face for a fashion magazine is interesting… But also hilarious to me. I’m just gonna say that first… That aside, look at the things listed above that this “apocalypse magazine” has labeled as its topics.
You see it? Well first let’s break it down. The first thing that caught my “eye” was the left side. “Fall fashion guide Keeping an eye on the delicious new trends” and “12 Hats to add to your style bible” and “The sexiest zombie couple “alive””. The whole thing about “keeping an eye” was obviously a jab at Carl losing his eye but it’s the fact that they highlight the word eye in red. As if they’re saying “keep a watch” or “pay attention”. The next thing we get is the use of the bible. For those that don’t know what they mean by fashion bible, they’re literally saying “here’s your scripture and law of what to wear in the apocalypse”.
The use of the word bible is odd in that the bible isn’t often used around Carl… But the hat is. And the hat is technically a nudge to Rick. That hat is a symbol of Rick’s past. Carl is literally walking around with one of the few symbols we have left of Rick’s past and who he was; Officer Friendly. And that hat has a history to it, right? Rick got shot, wore the hat when he came back into Atlanta on a horse. Even snatched it up off the street once he lost it. Carl got shot, got to have the hat after waking up in season 2 [CHEROKEE ROSE]. Out of everyone on the show, only three people have ever worn Rick’s hat. Rick himself, Carl, and… Beth.
Cherokee Rose [s02e04]
Carl Grimes: Hey, I’m like you now. We’ve both been shot. Isn’t that weird? Rick Grimes: [Rick smiles] Yeah, I think your mother would rather hear we got the same eyes. So let’s keep that between us. Since you’re in the club now, you get to wear the hat. Didn’t you know? We’ll pad the rim tomorrow so it sits better. Carl Grimes: [Rick hands over the sheriff hat to Carl] Won’t you miss it? Rick Grimes: Maybe you’ll let me borrow it from time to time. Carl Grimes: We can share it.
And
A [s04e16]
Beth Greene: There you go, Judith. There you go. Rick Grimes: Put it in at more of an angle… Whoa! Gonna have to get you a farming hat… [Rick places the sheriff hat on Beth] There’s a new sheriff in town. Beth Greene: [Giggling] How’s it look? Rick Grimes: [Laughing] Looks good. Hershel Greene: It can be like this all the time. Rick Grimes: It’s like this now. That’s enough.
That hat is Rick and Carl’s symbol. It was also made a symbol of “I was shot and survived” to, as stated in S2. Carl and Rick are the main focus of people who were critically shot and lived. Rick in the chest and in a coma. Carl in the stomach and with very few medical supplies from Hershel. Both surviving in practically impossible situations. That leaves Beth open for an impossible survival.
Now, this next part focuses mainly on Carl himself. The next thing it mentions is “The sexiest zombie couple “alive””. The quotation marks around the word alive is obviously a nudge at the whole “living dead” thing; a wordplay. But the thing is – with these magazines being created and presented in 2017 and the new spoiler that the reason we see Rick crying in a flashback like sequence is because Carl is going to be killed by Negan in season 8’s midseason finale – I’m wondering if this was meant to be a nudge to that spoiler of Carl dying this season. Carl was in a relationship with Enid as well (I would never label them as a sexy couple because Ewww they’re like sixteen) but they are a couple and could be a nudge to that. But I’m more focused on the “alive” word and how the main picture is of Carl and the whole spoilers for this season around his possible death… Which sucks. Just saying.
Next, let’s focus on the following
D&G Light Red: Walkers hate it, women can’t get enough of it
Carl Grimes is finally all grown up
How to win the war against the saviors
Stay chic in whichever year it is
First of, in case anyone is wondering, D&G stands for Dolce and Gabbana and there is no Light Red. There is, however, Dolce & Gabbana Light Blue Eau [Perfume]. The only D&G related thing in red I could come up with was Dolce & Gabbana Eau De Toilette: Natural Spray Vaporisateur [Perfume]. The fun thing about Light Blue is described as “a stunning perfume, overwhelming and irresistible like the joy of living”. D&G Eau De Toilette is described as “an intense and feminine scent for the confident woman.” Two possible nudged perfumes talking about women with one mentioning “joy of living” and the other talking about “confident women”. Let that circle in your head and tell me who that doesn’t make you think of.
The whole “Carl Grimes is finally all grown up” is a touch to the fact that Carl isn’t a kid anymore. He hasn’t technically been a kid in a long time. But Carl is no longer a twelve years old (In the comic he starts out nine and is currently thirteen) but is now going on around late fourteens/early fifteen. He’s a young man now… Which means Carl can be killed off on screen and brutally as opposed to how Sophia died as a walker, Lizzie and Mika had to be put down, and now Carl has a chance of pretty much being able to have a really fucked up death on the show because of the TV trope of how you don’t kill a child on screen. I mean yeah kids die on TV all the time and we see like vague and mortifying images of them dying. In films, I could name like twenty horrible children deaths at the top of my head. But on TV? Not so much… So Carl Grimes is old enough to be on the chopping block now.
“How to win the war against the saviors” is pretty self-explanatory – we’re in All Out War with them right now and this is obviously a nudge to the war. But… My mercy prevails over my wrath. When you let hate and rage and anger rule you, then you lose yourself and you lose your true purpose for living and you lose the purpose for why you are doing what you’re doing. Rick’s wrath is strong. It’s why he’s taking these pictures, why he had a hard time pulling back from Negan, why Father Gabriel got held back and is being held by Negan… His wrath is strong. Wrath can cloud your judgment, make you do stupid shit. Rick has done a lot of irrational shit since S5 (well he’s done that but shit got mad crazy by S5) and now he’s doing shit for the sake of basically assassination elimination. That’s going to bite his ass… Hard. And I’m pretty sure Carl is going to be the price.
“Stay chic in whichever year it is”. The word chic is an interesting word. It means “elegantly and stylishly fashionable” in the basic term… But as a whole, it has multiple meanings. Including “up-to-date” and “up-to-the-minute”. Clocks seem to be of some importance with the TD group and I myself don’t have much thought on them but they have foretold a lot of things and clocks have a lot of meaning in media so with time and date being in play with the wording, it seems to be a calling to keep watching the clocks and date related numbers maybe.
And with the wording of the magazine - Upgrade your wardrobe and stay fresh under the harshest and bloodies condition – I just wanna point out they made a typo but also… Bloodies(t) condition just gives me more hinting fear/sadness at Carl being the one to die in the MSF.
Magazine 2: Cosmopolitan
Magazine Topic
Left Side
21 moves that’ll make her say [Ungh!]
Til death do you part? Not so fast!
69 ways to pull off the swamp queen look.
Right Side
She said “grugh” to the dress
The wedding issue
The hottest mausoleum trends of the year!
How to tell if your husband’s dead on the inside
What’s your dead marriage IQ?
Exclusive! How Helmets can save your life
Under the Magazine
Just because you suffer doesn’t mean your fashion and lifestyle have to
First off, it’s a wedding issue. In season 7, Michonne and Rick had basically a wedding episode [SAY YES] and Rick stopped wearing his wedding band [letting Lori go], Weddings are associated with Churches, and Chapel by Nicole Dollanganger was the song that played after Denise’s death and it’s a song about getting married [Interesting!]
Okay, so I’ll get back to some of that in a minute because they mean something. What I just have to say now is that there are only a few things on this magazine cover that stood out to me. The rest of it is obviously playing off the zombie theme. But here’s the stuff that matters to me:
Til death do you part? Not so fast!
69 ways to pull off the swamp queen look.
The hottest mausoleum trends of the year!
How to tell if your husband’s dead on the inside
Exclusive! How Helmets can save your life
Obviously, I wanna talk about the “Til death to you part? Not so fast!”. Because, obviously, it’s a play on those that die coming back to life as walkers, but the thing that came to mind for me is of course, what you all probably think. There’s this whole centering around Beth returning. That she hasn’t died, right? Well, the saying “til death do us part” means “we’ll be together until the day we die”… But if Beth hasn’t died, then technically she hasn’t truly parted from the group. And in a sense, that’s true.
Beth lives on in small forms like Maggie’s memory or back when Daryl was trying to be good or in religion like Gabriel. Small things keep her alive in spirit, yes. But the adding of “Not so fast!” is saying “Well now hold up, just because I’m dead doesn’t mean we’re parting because I’m still here”. Maybe it’s a play on “You all thought I was dead but think again”. That’s where my mind went TD wise… Otherwise, it’s a nice little nudge to Maggie and Glenn as well and “I’ll look for you” as Glenn said and how he’s gone but he’s never gonna be forgotten by Mags and his family. And how Michonne and Rick are basically married now,
Swamp Queen makes me think of the Okefenokee Swamps that straddle the line between Georgia and Florida. Georgia makes me think of Atlanta and Georgia. Where Morales and Beth and Rick and team family are from…. But I’m also intrigued by the fact it does kind of remind me of this image:
This literally looks like a stereotypical image of the swamp living.
See what I mean? That image fits right into some stereotype swampland.
This could be a purposeful nudge to The Scavengers. It might even be talking about The Boat again. That Boat keeps being brought up… Which is interesting, because these were posted after S7 has finished so is it pointing us back to The Boat or The Scavengers? Or maybe both?
Talking about the topics, “The hottest mausoleum trends of the year!” is kind of a strange one for me to pick, right? Well to me it’s kind of strange that they’re matching hottest with a mausoleum. For those that don’t know what a mausoleum is, it’s a free-standing building that that houses tombs(s). Basically, it’s a giant grave above ground. You place a body in a casket – sometimes not even a casket – and place the body in the mausoleum or the tomb inside (which is a large vault that is typically underground and where you bury the dead). Egyptians did this. In fact, the giant pyramids of Egypt where mausoleums/tombs for the Pharaohs and their organs and belongings. The Taj Mahal in Agra is also another huge and famous one.
Now what’s interesting is the mentioning of “hottest” and the emphasis on it. A tomb/mausoleum is generally dry air – that’s why you get that dead, musky smell when you step into some – and they’re even described as damp. But I’ve never heard of a tomb being hot. That’s mostly because a mausoleum and tomb have to stay cool in order for a body to not decompose as fast. If it gets too hot in a tomb then the body can explode. It’s kinda like when you leave leftover meat in a plastic ben for a long time. If you leave it in the cool, it takes longer for the smell and rot to hit because, in the heat, anaerobic bacteria take over quicker. Obviously, cold or not, rot happens. But in the cool, meat – or a body – doesn’t decompose as fast… So being in a hot, sealed tomb would just cause quick decomposition and would leave a decaying smell sooner… Not exactly idea for something you’d want to “share” in your magazine. Fake or not.
So what does this make me think of? Car trunk. TD likes to mention the idea of Beth’s body having been left in a car or a car trunk. It’s plausible and would explain to me why we see Team Family be so damn reluctant to go near the pile-up of vehicles in TWD s05e10 [THEM]
Look at their faces… In fact, if you can, go back and watch this scene and watch their faces, their body language. They DO NOT want to go near those cars. Yes, I’m sure it’s just them being safe because who knows what they’ll find in those cars… But why have Daryl run off like that? Look how upset he looks? He’s not wanting anything to do with that and bolts.
And who do they focus on in the scene? Maggie. Maggie is the main focus. They don’t show anyone else looking through the cars. They don’t show Carl finding the music box or the group looking around. They show Maggie in this car and then they show her panicking when she shuts the walker in the car… Also why have a scene with her freaking out to get back in? That walker didn’t need to be killed. It could’ve just been left in the car. But Maggie NEEDED to get that open. Glenn had to help her. She was so frazzled and frantic that she had to get back to the walker. And then she couldn’t do the stab. It’s Glenn who does it. And we see his face. He’s crestfallen because he sees Beth to… But the fact it’s a walker that looks like Beth, in a car trunk, and Maggie and everyone are not happy to be around these cars, it just doesn’t scream normal to me. Why have her go back and get the walker out? Why put a walker that looks like Beth in a car trunk? Yes Maggie just lost her sister so maybe it’s a nudge to that. But why focus so long on it?
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THEM is also the episode the lovely Music Box theory was born from. So there’s that to soak up if you wanna go digging like I am lol.
“How to tell if your husband’s dead on the inside”. Pretty self-explanatory on the fact of “dead inside” is talking about the state of being in a constant state of depression, lack of pleasure from activities that one usually finds enjoyable, your sleep and appetite are disturbed, and a mixture of the feeling of worthlessness, guilt, and hopelessness.
Basically dead inside is a state of not living from the inside out. You’re moving and getting up and doing what you normally do, but you’re not living in the moment and suffering from lack of joy and appetite and good moods/pleasures.
That pretty much describes Daryl Dixon at this point in the show. He’s just up and going. He’s not feeling. He’s not living. He’s just surviving. He gets up, he shoots down people that get in the way with no thought, and he keeps a constant state of hopelessness that anything is worth anything good. That’s Daryl. That can also be contributed to Morgan in a sense. He’s alive but he’s not living. He’s in a state of being like the dead. He does say “we all come back” and “we’re them” (the dead) so that’s a talk on him as well.
“Exclusive! How Helmets can save your life!”… Come on, I’m not even going to go too deep into that. gain, self-explanatory. Helmets saving a life. A helmet goes over your head. Can keep you from getting shot in the head or bashed in the head. Negan and Beth and Glenn and Abraham come to mind when I read that. Negan swings a bat down on people. Beth took a bullet to the head. Abraham and Glenn got bashed in the head. No protection for the head. Negan goes for the head. I mean come on… Also talking about a protective gear from the head is important to note too.
The text under the magazine just sounds like one of those “just because you’re suffering doesn’t mean others have to” and that’s like “there’s still hope for you” kinda thing.
Magazine 3: Better Homes and Gardens Garbage
Magazine Topic
Left Side
Get your junkyard on the up up up!
Super Tall Followers
Confusing Dialect
Gladiator Ring
Right Side
How one community mastered the art of garbage chic.
Under the Magazine
Need to spruce up your survival community? Look no further!
I don’t have as much to say about this magazine. Mostly I’m interested in the fact they focused on The Scavengers. Especially since we haven’t seen a hint of them since we saw them at the end of season 7. I also wanna point out another use of the word “Chic” in a magazine, which we have nudged at being a nudge to “up-to-date” and “up-to-the-minute”. So we will still get the scavengers to return this season (we should since Jadis is still also a threat to things and her rocky alignment with Negan is not something to brush aside and I’m pretty sure Negan still owes Jadis and the Scavengers their cut of the deal).
Also, the talk of a Gladiator Ring could be the trailer spoiler that Rick is going to be captured by the Scavengers – as evident by when we see Jadis’ Scavenger circle and what looks to be Eugene coming to negotiate with her for Negan. Negan does want Maggie, Ezekial, and Rick caught alive.
Gladiator Rings have always been heavily associated with Rome. Gladiators were slaves that were trained in combat and then armed with a sword or some kind of weapon and forced to fight to the death in the arena for entertainment. But gladiators were also people who didn’t just engage in fights for entertainment. They engaged in battle due to controversy or became a part of controversy due to petty kings or disagreements of lords. Eugene…. I’d be careful being sent into the arena, bro. You’re basically a gladiator for Negan, buddy. You are sacrificial like the gladiators were.
Maybe you all see something more with this cover?
Magazine 4: TIME
Negan is burning faces… Even the doctors!
Magazine Topic
Left Side
NEGAN
His tactics are eye-popping
Right Side
Rick’s next move: Can he free his people from the saviors?
How stressed is your doctor? Check up!
Global alcohol reserves running out: Our new apocalypse
Under the Magazine
Keep up with the latest post-apocalyptic news and trends with ease.
Hello… TIME? Isn’t that a big focus for TD? A giant word - a giant TIME - behind Negan? Come on… What?! That had to be a reason
On a funny note, I’m not a fan of TIME magazine or what it likes to post so the fact they put Negan on the cover makes me kinda laugh because of my dislike for TIME… Clever!
Anyway, the thing that also sticks out to me for this is the double mention of doctors - “Negan is burning faces… Even the doctors!” and “How stressed is your doctor? Check up!” - and the mention of bottom part reading “Keep up with the latest post-apocalyptic news and trends with ease.”
Alexandria and Hilltop are without a doctor. Kingdom is okay doctor wise. The Saviors took Dr. Harlan Carson – the brother of Emmett Carson, the guy whose face Negan burned off, killing him in 7x11 [HOSTILES AND CALAMITIES] in front of Eugene and the Wives and everyone else. This episode focused heavily on the workings of the Sanctuary and on Eugene and his adaption to “be Negan”.
Doctors have been mentioned in 8x1 when Maggie and Jesus talked about how they would be getting their doctor back after Ezekial offered their doctor… It’s interesting how they mention a doctor with the Negan image because in the comic Harlan Carson saves Rick’s life from a stab wound that had infected blood on it… He’s also the one who saves Negan’s life in the comic after Rick tells him to and right after Rick got his leg broken… This is what causes more damage to Rick’s leg and why his limp is consistent afterward.
I’m focusing on wondering if we’re going to be getting a lot of talk with Doctors this season. It’s not like the last few doctors have turned out well these last few seasons. Pete Anderson went nuts and was put down by Rick. Denise was killed by a stray arrow meant for Daryl by Dwight. Emmett Carson had his face burned off after Dwight framed him for Sherry running off / helping her escape… It’s just interesting to have a focus on doctors. Especially if you wanna think that, back at Grady, they could’ve dragged a doctor along with them and at least had people that had some sense of medical 101, right? If you wanna make some TD out of that, it’s possible.
Another thing is the talk of the whole news and trends being easy to keep up with. The only forms of communication that we have is walkie-talkies and radio tower broadcast (as we saw with Terminus and apparently with the Saviors of their giant satellite home. So this speaks to me of the sense of having a reach out network… Which is what Negan has. He has reach. That’s how he was able to cut off Rick and Team Family in Season 6. He has a large reach. A lot of compounds under his name spread out. Which makes me think back to how Morales mentioned he was found by the Saviors after his attempt to get to Birmingham, Alabama failed. It’s still a wonder… Does Negan have reach all the way to the west of the ravished USA? This is another instance of nudging that he does have some kind of far reach network… How far is the mystery here.
Magazine 5: National Geographic
Counting down the Top 20 gladiator rings.
Magazine Topic
Left Side
The evolution of the Walker
Right Side
Under the Magazine
What’s REALLY out there in the wild? Can anything be a zombie? We’ll tell you in NatGeo, a magazine now revolving around cultures and creatures that have been affected by the global virus.
First off, we got another talk about gladiator rings and another reference to the scavengers. So we are definitely not done with them (duh, lol) and they’re probably gonna step up in the second half of the 8A (considering practically all the images for the season eight trailer have come from the first three episodes so far and we have yet to see the scavengers and the scene where Michonne is with Tara or Rick in the storage shed.
Second, the national geographic primarily contains articles about science, geography, history, and world culture. The under the magazine part explains that in the apocalypse, the magazine now focuses on the effect of the zombies on nature and life. Is it possible for a horse to become a zombie? How has nature itself adapted to the decay of human influence on it? What effect does all the rotting corpse have on the land? And how the mocking remains of society – like Grady, Hilltop, Alexandria, Saviors, and Scavengers – are changed by the change of nature and the introduction of the virus and the dead…
This makes me think of the scientific studies Milton and Jenner were doing. It makes me think of Eugene talking about a cure… It gives me Cure theory vibes. How studying the walkers and nature could lead to a cure or at least a stalling solution. A magazine that focuses on science and history – which is used in cure study; the history of the disease and then using science to combat it – is a fascinating thing to give us.
Now, granted, it is strange they’re including the Scavengers walker and nudging at them again… But perhaps something will come of that… I just find it fascinating how I got “cure theory” vibe outta this magazine.
Magazine 6: Rolling Stones
Magazine Topic
Left Side
Beth Greene
Music After Life
Right Side
Grady Memorial Hospital: Officer Dawn Lerner’s Legacy Still Married
Tupac: The Rap Icon’s Shocking Re-Emergence
100 Songs you must hear before you’re eaten
Morales’ secret podcast reviewed
Under the Magazine
The apocalypse doesn’t have to be quiet – fill it with your own soundtrack!
And now for the fascinating one. Every other magazine has included living characters or walkers. Carl, Negan, and Jadis are alive. The other two have been walker zombies. One a female walker in a dress. The other, the spiky walker from metal shop hell.
This time, we got Beth Greene herself.
Another mention of marriage is being talked about - Grady Memorial Hospital: Officer Dawn Lerner’s Legacy Still Married - Marriage was mentioned in the Cosmopolitan Magazine. I talked about it a bit before, but this time I went digging around to look into marriage at a more blind level; meaning I went in like I didn’t know what a marriage was and what are some things around marriage that I may have never noticed or heard about… Which was actually a bit tricky since all that kept coming up was “how to keep your marriage alive” and “tips for newlyweds” and stuff like that… But hey, why not look at those and see what’s up as well?
I’m not going to go way too long with this, but digging around in the history of marriage I found that “marriage is a truly ancient institution that predates recorded history. But early marriage was seen as a strategic alliance between families, with the youngsters often having no say in the matter. In some cultures, parents even married one child to the spirit of a deceased child in order to strengthen familial bonds…” (x) Rick tried to bond the Grady folks with Team Family after Beth is shot down. But there was no connection for Grady to use to connect them. Noah didn’t know Team Family, he was just along for the ride after Beth helped him out. Maggie and Daryl bonded – sadly – over Beth in the barn after the fight to keep the barn door closed against walkers. An older sister bonding with a younger brother.
That one kind of stuck out to me for the reason of connecting people. Some TDers believe Beth is with The Scavengers or she’s with The Saviors. One group is run by Jadis and the other by Negan. Beth being able to rally either side – even if it’s just a chunk of them – would give TF vast numbers against Negan… Even bringing in Grady residents would add to the numbers and would help with an expansion (like expanding land agreements, another reason marriage happened).
For fun, here are some superstitions that can be Bethyl centered for the shippers (These are for fun more than anything)
The groom carries the bride across the threshold to bravely protect her from evil spirits lurking below. (Moving too slow, Greene)
Ancient Romans studied pig entrails to determine the luckiest time to marry. (Pig Feet)
Breaking Glass - In Italy, many newlyweds smash a vase or glass at their wedding, and they put a lot of muscle into it, too. The tradition says that however many pieces the glassware breaks into will symbolize how many years they’ll be happily married. (There you go, more breaking glass theory shtuff)
Knives - According to folklore, a knife signifies a broken relationship and is bad luck to give as a wedding present. If knives are on your registry, just give the gift giver a penny. That way, it’s considered a purchase. (Maybe Beth shouldn’t have gotten a knife…)
Crossing a monk or nun’s path - A bride who sees a nun or a monk on the way to her wedding is said to be cursed with a barren life dependent on charity. (Fuck, finding Gabriel before was probably a bad sign then? He’s a priest though… Does that count?!)
Ringing Bells - Bells are traditionally chimed at Irish weddings to keep evil spirits away and to ensure a harmonious family life. Some Irish brides even carry small bells in their bouquets as a reminder of their sacred wedding vows, and they are a common gift for newlyweds. (Wasn’t there some belief that they combined the scene of Andrea surviving a Savior attack in a Belltower to the scene of Beth shoving the Grady jackass cop down the elevator shaft? Eh, I forget, but I found this fascinating because my family has Irish blood and isn’t Beth Irish? Also, I was pointed to a singing bowl – a bell – being seen in multiple episodes lately so hmm.)
(Check these out here! Got a lot of links!) (x) (x) (x) (x)
Now that fun nudges aside, the thing that’s interesting is the talk of Dawn. It talks about Dawn’s Legacy still being Married… When you talk about a legacy, the definition of legacy is “an amount of money or property left to someone in a will”, but often time the thing that comes to mind for legacy is “what is left behind by someone after they die”. Dawn was shot point blank by Daryl in the Grady hospital hallway. So she’s dead… So who is Dawn’s legacy?
Well, a legacy isn’t always someone who is blood. Sometimes a legacy is who you hand over your title too. For Dawn, she was head of the Grady Group. She ran everything, kept a system going… A system of lies and turning the other cheek and using fear and force to run everyone to do as you please. Not exactly a pretty legacy.
Who has this legacy now?
Well at the end, after Beth is shot and Daryl has killed Dawn, it’s Officer Amanda Shepard who makes a call out. She says “No, hold your fire! It’s over… It was just about her… Stand down”. She’s the one who takes the reigns, calls off the bullet flying and tries to explain that all of this was about Dawn’s choice, not theirs. She’s also the one that tells Team Family that they can stay. She offered a hand to them to have a place to stay… Although a bloody hand, seeing as Beth’s blood was spilled on their exchange.
Basically, Dawn left behind Grady to the less crazy and corrupt people. So… She basically left nothing. Maybe a plan or two that’s effective and the people still use, but… Nothing. Why make it about Dawn leaving something behind to someone who is apparently married? Most of these goofy little tabloid-like headlines have had some sense to them, but this one is just strange. Still married? I don’t believe anyone in the Grady hospital was married… That’s a weird one.
I was mostly more fascinated by the use of marriage, but the fact it’s marriage and around Dawn and Legacy is just… Bizarre.
Moving on!
“Tupac: The Rap Icon’s Shocking Re-Emergence”… Okay, so unless you live in a completely white out world and have never listened to music or watched any musical documentaries or heard a single song, then you knoowww the story of Tupac Amura Shakur AKA 2Pac. He was a famous American actor and Rapper who was gunned down in Vegas in front of the Maxim Hotel in 1996. With him was Suge Knight, a record producer, music executive, and former football replacement player for the LA Rams. 2Pac was hit four times – twice in the chest, once in the arm, and once in the thigh – while Knight was hit in the head by bullet shrapnel. Tupac eventually died six days later in the hospital due to hemorrhaging – internal bleeding – and respiratory failure and cardiopulmonary arrest in connection with his multiple gunshot wounds.
As for Suge Knight, he was accused by an ex-detective Russell Poole of having been the one to get 2Pac killed before he could leave Knight’s label and that he helped conspire to get Biggie Smalls killed. Fellow rap artist Snoop Dogg later accused knight as well, though many discredit Snoop for his heavy working with marijuana and no evidence. Along with Knight, a rogue cop, a mortgage broker (Amir Muhammad), the chief of police, and the LAPD as a whole were also pointed at as being part of the accusation of causing 2Pac’s and Biggie’s death.
If you wanna know more about it there are a TON of documentaries and even some pretty awesome biographical films to look into.
Since his death, 2Pac has been raised to the level of Martyr - a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs – and in a sense, Beth kinda is that. She was gunned down for her belief against Dawn. Dawn used and hurt Beth and manipulated her for her own gain. And when Dawn demanded Noah back, she went at her. She was gunned down in her attempt – a very strange and bad attempt – to take Dawn down. And to some watchers – TD or otherwise – she has become that symbol of sacrificial lamb.
The thing about them using 2Pac that really fascinated me is that there is a conspiracy theory that 2Pac is still alive. These theories range from the belief that Surge orchestrated Tupac’s death to “he faked his own death”, “he’s hiding in Cuba”, and “he’s being harbored by the government as a witness”.
There are an amazing amount of people who STILL BELIEVE that 2Pac is alive. That he’s being hidden or that he’s tucked himself away to Cuba or that the CIA has him in some kind of hidden prison. The conspiracy theories around 2Pac are on the same level of out there as the Team Defiance/Delusional have going on. What’s interesting about that as well? Beth Greene sings and T2Pac sings, Beth was shot and Pac was shot, 2Pac died in a hospital and Beth seems to have died in a hospital, and there are still speculations on who shot Pac and also on who shot Beth. On Sep 30th, 2016 Emily was featured in the Rolling Stones website two years after her death on the show and 2Pac was featured on Rolling Stones front page a month and seventeen days after his death (not that it means anything, I just found that interesting myself).
There’s been this speculation that 2Pac was going to reemerge and many extreme theorist and fans still believe he’s coming back, which is also something extreme fans and theorist have believed with Beth three years later. It stands at attention that placing this iconic rapper’s name on Beth’s image and talking about his re-emergence – something that is a theory still held strong by a lot of people next to the moon landing being fake – is eye-catching if you take in the story behind 2Pac and the story behind Beth. They’re pretty similar in ways I would’ve never thought of if I hadn’t seen them placed together – a singer, a gun, an unsolved murder, a supposed friend being framed for the murder, the belief of a return, and a martyr belief left behind – and it seems to similar to be more than a coincidence…
“Morales’ secret podcast reviewed” makes soooo much sense now! When Skybound posted this, S8 hadn’t even posted out the trailer. We didn’t have many clues to who was going to be on the show again… Morales was a secret on the show. The hinting of Morales in these magazines HAD to be purposefully planned out UNLESS it was just a really huge coincidence and even then, holy fuck that’s a big one because of the fact that Morales was a character THAT RICK HAD TO RE-EXPLAIN IN HIS DIALOGUE for people to recall who the fuck he was and placing him in this fake Magazine article THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE is putting in the belief that the audience is going to know who the fuck they’re talking about. Now I personally did because I remember a lot of random shit about the show, but the majority of the viewers were like “Who the fuck is Morales” when he showed up or if they read this, I’m sure.
Morales was meant to be a nudge to the past. A nudge to Rick and Daryl’s past. Morales was a connection to Atlanta and a proof that the past can come back in startling ways. It certainly is startling for someone like Morales – a simple background character – to be shown still alive and still surviving and having made it out of Georgia to Virginia WHEN HE WAS LAST HEADING FOR ALABAMA. The magazine was a big clue. Morales was a secret to be revealed… Which is very interesting for the rest of the magazine.
Now let’s talk about the big one – the wording on Beth. “Beth Greene Music After Life.” The picture they used of Emily – I must say – is bizarre. They made Beth’s eyes SUPER blue. Like that’s what stands out the most in the photo; the big, electric-like, blue eyes. Kind of like this shot:
All the focus on the eyes. The only other person they do this much eye focus on is Rick. Otherwise they do close up of the face, but still give us the nose and mouth in the shot. This magazine cover made us focus on Beth’s eyes, which they didn’t do for Negan. With Negan we focus on the word TIME and the blurred Lucille bat; like the bat is being held in our face and becoming out of focus for us. And Negan’s eyes aren’t intensified… In fact, his image is pretty simple and dulled by all the black he wears and the black background.
Beth’s background is bright white and her eyes are bright blue and she’s covered in dirt like she needs a bath or went rolling in a dirt pile… Or a grave hole. That’s where my thoughts went when I saw her state of appearance. Beth was pretty clean looking the last time we saw her alive; Dawn and her OCD for clean and neat the reason for that. Now she’s about as dirty as she was in S3 and S4.
The wording of Beth Greene Music After Life is definitely meant to be a play on the whole “dead come back to life” thing… But Beth isn’t a walker. If Beth hadn’t been shot in the head and had been shown reanimating to life before they had to put her down or something, then yeah I’d get that wording… But Beth wasn’t a walker. She’d taken a bullet to the head… So why use that wordplay towards her?
Another thing is that including THAT KIND of title next to the 2Pac thing is like a double saying of “After life and reemerge, pay attention!” And having it also be connected to Morales’ secret podcast – the word SECRET – is also like some kind of sign from the show again.
With all this, I could probably dig down deeper into this magazine cover but I know for a fact that many others have done way more metas on this thing than I have. But maybe if you combine my stuff with their stuff you’ll see something that was missed.
I probably just repeated a whole bunch of shit you all have been hearing since TD started three years ago, but I didn’t go into this with any clear thought. It was more an “oh what does this make me think of” kind of mentality.
It was pretty fun, honestly. I still don’t know whether to believe she’s coming back or not. I can see it play out either way… But these kinds of things flying around make me see WHY TD exists and why you all think like you do.
If you wanna check out the magazines, you can see them here (x) Thanks, Skybound, for that headache!
#team delusional#team defiance#team whatever happens will happen#team acceptance#team I don't care I'm having fun#twd
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Very Serious Rick Grimes Meta
Rick and Mark from Love Actually are the same person.
THEORIZED CHAIN OF EVENTS
After the “to me you are perfect” scene Mark decides to move to the US under a new name and make a fresh start (that’s why Jamie is so surprised to see him at the airport, he’d heard that Mark was gone for good).
“Rick Grimes” has such a baby face and is such a pretentious dork (”it’s not funny, they’re art”) that when he enrolls as a freshman in college to cement his new identity no one suspects that he’s any older than 18.
Of course Mark-turned-Rick misses Peter desperately so he quickly chooses Shane as a best friend to fill the hole in his heart (every time Shane talks about their high school experiences on TWD he’s actually talking about college, he drank a lot back then, it’s a blur).
Rick garners a reputation as a putz around women because he’s so scared of falling in love again that he’s awkward af on purpose. But Lori is so beautiful and reminds him so much of Juliet he’s like “shit” so they get married and move to the suburbs and have Carl and TWD happens.
SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
Rick already watched one woman he loves fall for his best friend, OF COURSE he’s going to be Extra and irrational about it when he thinks it’s happening again.
Speaking of Extra: Hiding an entire brass band inside a wedding congregation. Hiring a famous soul singer to sing at said wedding (the artist’s story is actually really sad, fuck). Spending hours editing footage to make a movie of Juliet’s face. Walking in intense agony while Dido plays in the background. THE ENTIRE "TO ME YOU ARE PERFECT” SCENE. If anyone in cinematic history approaches Rick levels of Extra, it’s Mark.
Remember all the butts in Mark’s art gallery? Rick isn’t just an ass man, he’s an ass academic.
Loss of a woman is the founding trauma of almost every murder-wild male protagonist in existence. IF ONLY JULIET HAD LOVED HIM, SO MANY LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.
Rick likes guns so much because he never had them in England and he’s making up for lost time.
Judith and Juliet both start with the same two letters. Losing Lori clearly caused Rick’s carefully crafted identity to slip.
Remember how angry Rick looked during his interview with Deanna? It had nothing to do with her questions; that damn camcorder just brought back so many bad memories.
If you have any ideas to add please share them, this is a very important study.
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LISTEN UP KIDS this is going to be a very important meta about how both spencer & shane are wrongly vilified, how rick isn’t a saint ( shock horror ) & how all three are more alike than you think ( @gutspilt i got ur back boo ).
first thing’s first. who is the primary character we follow from day one? who do we base our reactions off of depending on their experience in this new world so far? you guessed it: RICK GRIMES. rick is the storytelling focus; we watch his development and - consciously or not - base our opinions on other characters upon situations he’s been through thus far. we see the world through rick’s eyes, so it’s not surprising we inherit some of his internal bias, even though we as viewers are capable of seeing the whole picture.
this leads onto my main point: how both spencer and shane are directly antagonistic towards rick, ergo they’re immediately painted in a bad light. but think about the parallels for a second, and you’ll start to see why, if you praise rick’s actions, you can’t immediately condemn those opposing him.
take the scene with shane breaking into the greene barn as an example. everyone’s mortified by his actions — rick’s mortified by his actions — and yet are you telling me the rick grimes of the future wouldn’t do exactly the same thing? spencer’s naivety about the world and refusal to immediately resort to violence — remind you of a certain sheriff who was always holding out hope for a better solution ( i.e choosing to feed into hershel’s belief about walkers rather than address it )?
i was definitely someone who was shocked when it was revealed that shane killed otis, but looking back on it now, you can bet everything that were carl in the same position in the current timeline and the thing that stood between him getting life-saving medicine was a relative stranger, rick would do the same thing in an instant. the rick of the past, however? i honestly don’t think he’d make the decision in time — or if he did, it’d be to sacrifice himself so that otis could get the medicine back. and doesn’t that sound exactly the sort of thing spencer would do?
shane’s ruthlessness and refusal to pander to ideas that avoid the inevitable are exactly the same traits rick sports in later seasons, and are especially prevalent when trying to make the alexandrians see his point of view — whereas spencer’s innocence and strong moral code are things we see in rick in the beginning, before his experiences change how he reacts to the world.
yes, both shane and spencer have made questionable decisions, and i’m in no way sweeping those under the rug ( shane’s treatment of lori for example was gross ), but rick is equally as guilty ( that whole fight with pete and the ensuing speech, anyone? ). each have their own reasons for acting how they did; shane had to watch his best friend come back from the dead and have what scraps of normality he’d created from the wreckage of the world taken from him; spencer had to watch every. single. family. member. die. in front of him, with all signs pointing back to rick and his group as the cause; and rick — well we all know what he’s been through. i could list a dozen more reasons for shane and spencer’s actions but that’s another meta for another time.
TL;DR: stop judging shane and spencer for traits found in rick throughout the seasons. stop assuming their motivations are entirely unfounded and are simply random traits assigned by the writers. actually try and understand how they’ve got to that position, and look past the bias forced upon us by the show’s natural narrative. #stophatingonshanewalshandspencermonroe2k17
#❛ i do not have writer’s block my writer just hates the clock ———〈 ooc. 〉#❛ i’m not your governor ———〈 psa. 〉#{ this is rambly af#but it needed to be said#sometimes i wonder if people actually pay attention to the show at all???#this is entirely show based meta btw comic would be completely different#i'm just...... so tired with ppl shitting on shane and spenc for no reason#rick isn't much better he's literally the biggest problematic fave#stop painting over his flaws to drag down other characters!!!!!! }
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why do people have to bring up lori when they talk about richonne? let it go. she's gone. get over it. enough with the lori hate smh
I was looking at this on-and-off for the past two and a half hours. I didn’teven wanna answer this since I’m trying to keep it positive, but here goes:
Mate, I don’t know. Maybe ask them directly.
No, not a goodenough answer; sorry. I’m trying to be funny when I’m not LOL. Seriously though, I get your frustration, but I’ll try to look at it from another POV for a moment and maybe even offer you an answer that is sufficient since I don’t know what you’re referring to.
Not every instance of bringing Lori up when discussing Richonne is hate against the other pairing or Lori. I mean, yeah; it happens, but I don’t believe it is hate every single time.What I do know is that it’s most likely to draw comparisons and parallelsbetween the relationships and how they impact Rick, which is fair play since he is the main character.
I guess it should be pointed out that there is nothinginherently bad about these discussionsas both Lori and Michonne are women whom Rick loves and has loved. As long asno one’s calling the women horrible names or trying to erase what they and Rick had/have,then go ahead and discuss the similarities and differences.TWD damn sure makes a distinction between both relationships (i.e. the ways they are written), so I think fans can engage in conversation about it too.
Now, this next bit isn’t so positive, but I’m just thinkingas I write this. I don’t think you were aiming this at Richonne shippers per se because you said ‘people’, but I was still reminded of this: The trend of others in fandom reprimanding Richonne shippers. Since we’re talking about fans downplaying the importance of women in thelives of the men on this show, answer me this:
Why is itthat no one in this fandom ever talks about the R!ckyl people who constantly shit on Michonneto raise-up their crackship?
For example:
NB: I did not have to look in the other ship’s tag for these, as they are tagged Rick Grimes and Michonne and I follow both tags respectively
Comparing Richonne and Lor!ck as they pertain to Rick is fairenough because they are his only love interests on the show, but erasing whateither of them mean to Rick to throw Daryl (or anyone else) in there is just crummy.
Some fans are quick to chastise Richonners for discussingLor!ck respectfully in comparison to Richonne, but no one says a damn thingabout the other shippers who disrespect Michonne and try to erase herimportance in Rick’s life because of their fetish crackship. Nary a reprimand is delivered when theyship AL and NR in real life, yet fans try to come for Richonners for wanting moreDG and AL promos/photo shoots. I’m getting off point, but you get what I’msaying!
I often wonder about these types of Asks. You know,the ones that do this: Claim when some fans analyse (regardless of how unsophisticated the meta is) the relationship that Rick had then(which we all admit was rocky to begin with) in comparison to the relationshiphe has now, that it is somehow hate.
Yet I scarcely see certain fans bat an eyelid whenMichonne is disrespected and hated on while her importance to Rick is erased because some fangirlswant to see the two white guys get it on.
*sighs* I’m tired. Please don’t send me anymore Asks aboutthis topic; I’m not even trying to be rude.
If people want to compare and discuss Richonne and Lor!ck inrelation to Rick respectfully (no name-calling or erasure etc.), then go forit; both women were and are loved by him; both relationships brought out different aspects of his personality; both women treated, acted and reacted to him and his choices in different ways. I see no drama with that type of discussion.
Please, in future, if you want to know why certain Richonners ‘hate’ onLori, ask them directly.
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rosita espinosa, lori grimes
Rosita:
general opinion: fall in a hole and die | don’t like them | eh | they’re fine I guess | like them! | love them | actual love of my life hotness level: get away from me | meh | neutral | theoretically hot but not my type | pretty hot | gorgeous! | 10/10 would banghogwarts house: gryffindor | slytherin | ravenclaw | hufflepuff (I should put it out there that I’m terrible at putting people in Hogwarts houses okay?)best quality: Literally taking no crap from anybody at this point and being brave enough to shoot Neg@n when nobody else was going to do it!worst quality: I mean she’s a little shrill lately and I don’t love all of it, but I tend to put that on the writers, who as usual can’t handle a woman processing grief in a very normal way, sigh.ship them with: At this point I ship her with improved mental health, finding some balance, and happiness. brotp them with: Honestly I find her super funny with Daryl, ngl. I’ll probably get so flamed for that but it’s true. I also adored her scene with Carol in ‘Not Tomorrow Yet’ and would love more of that. (You know, if Carol comes back to TF before the next century dawns.)needs to stay away from: Men, at this pointmisc. thoughts: I’m actually surprised by how much I love her, because I have very few feelings for most characters who joined up after 4A. But I have truly grown to love her a lot and I hope they manage to back her down a little from where they seem to be taking her right now. Still, I’m cautiously optimistic. I love how unapologetically fierce she is omg.
Lori:
general opinion: fall in a hole and die | don’t like them | eh | they’re fine I guess | like them! | love them | actual love of my life hotness level: get away from me | meh | neutral | theoretically hot but not my type | pretty hot | gorgeous! | 10/10 would banghogwarts house: gryffindor | slytherin | ravenclaw | hufflepuffbest quality: How much she loves her babies. I identify on such a cellular level. The scene where she says goodbye to Carl is seared into my neural pathways.worst quality: Not being as upfront about stuff as she could be.ship them with: A man who will actually treat her right, aka certainly not Rick or Shane. God, she deserved so much better.brotp them with: CAROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, forever and ever, world without end. Also Glenn.needs to stay away from: Rick and Shane, because they treat her like shit.misc. thoughts: This fandom is so often relentlessly terrible to Lori Grimes, and every single time I hear someone going off on her, I want to write a 5k word meta about how she’s better than everyone omg.
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* M E T A 0 1: parenting in the apocalypse
requested by anon.
carl is and always was the single most important part of lori’s life, and she genuinely believes that he was ❝ the best thing [she] ever did ❞. nearly every decision she makes ( even her relationship with shane, i would argue, is due in part to shane’s ability to keep carl safe and serve as a father-figure, which made him both attractive and comforting in lori’s eyes ) is made with carl in mind, and so of course her parenting naturally reflects this constant evaluation of what is best for carl in each situation.
PERSPECTIVE
whereas rick is forced to focus on a larger picture — keeping both his family and the group alive — lori sees every choice and conflict on a much smaller scale, with her primary responsibility being to keep carl safe. rick can hand carl a gun and see it as a means for protection, but lori sees it as so many other things, too : a psychological loss of innocence, a responsibility that he is not mature enough to handle, and a danger to himself. she snaps at carl for finding medical supplies ( which may very well have saved hershel’s life ) purely because he had gone off alone and could’ve been bitten. another obvious example of this is when she seriously wonders whether it would be better if carl had died from otis’ gunshot, a seemingly radical thought to rick but one that makes perfect sense for a mother that is always first and foremost zeroed-in to the matter of what is best for her son.
AUTHORITATIVE PARENTING
before the apocalypse, it’s clear that lori and carl had a very close relationship, with her being a stay-at-home mom. both pre- and post-apocalypse, lori is a prime example of the authoritative parenting style, which is characterized by ❝ high demands and high responsiveness ❞ — in other words, holding and enforcing clear standards of behavior while still showing care and attention to a child’s emotional needs.
i. high demands
there are many moments where lori appears to be very strict, such as reprimanding at carl for any sort of irresponsible or immature behavior that does not meet the standards that they expect of him. an example on one end of this spectrum is carl’s rudeness to carol, which she allows rick to address ( a rarer and scarier punishment than chiding him herself ), and another is his stealing and misuse of weaponry, a threat to his own safety that is always met with the appropriate sternness. this kind of expectation is naturally heightened in the setting of the apocalypse, where failing to meet these standards can be a matter of life and death.
ii. high responsiveness
but equally as important to this parental style — and what sets it apart from authoritarian parenting — is lori’s deep care and interest in carl’s emotional well-being. she talks to him in these more quiet moments as an equal, a confidant, and genuinely listens to what he has to say. when rick leaves them again at the atlanta camp, lori checks in on carl’s feelings about this, lori openly admitting her fear to him but still keeping her attitude positive to affirm his confidence in rick. she takes the time to soften the blow of her pregnancy announcement by separately attending to his questions and gauging his reaction to this huge event in his family. lori is shown joking with and teasing carl, and rewards his own attempts at playfulness by giving it right back. just as his safety is always on her radar, so is his emotional health, worrying over his attachment to shane, being visibly shaken whenever he makes a callous comment, and doing everything she can to protect him from psychological trauma.
STABILITY
the last point about lori’s parenting that is worth dissecting is her overall philosophy of providing normalcy, routine, or in her own words, ❝ stability ❞. her commitment to mundane, menial tasks even at the end of the world is ( as she explains to andrea ) her way of ❝ trying to create a life worth living ❞. this translates over to her philosophy as a parent as well : she does everything in her power to provide carl with the most normal life and childhood that she can, which admittedly is very little. but she gives him chores, homework problems ( both at the atlanta camp and the farm ), and reminds him to say his prayers before going to bed. the humor and sarcasm that they share is important to keeping carl’s spirits high and to keeping up a resemblance of their old life. even allowing shane to get so close to carl is lori’s longing to have a proper stand-in father and is yet another attempt at stability.
#( * meta. )#( * ooc. )#lori grimes meta#ANYWAY HOPES THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ??? JHFDJBFDJHF#feel free to send something else if not !! lol#i cant believe how long this is i hate myself#anyway LORI IS OBJECTIVELY A GOOD PARENT according to psychology ok#( * the best thing i ever did. / CARL )
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"The Walking Dead (Żywe trupy)" zapowiedź odcinka S10E11: Morning Star
“The Walking Dead (Żywe trupy)” zapowiedź odcinka S10E11: Morning Star
Kiedy premiera następnego odcinka “The Walking Dead” (Żywe trupy)?
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#10x11#AMC#Andrew Lincoln#Carol Peletier#Danai Gurira#Daryl Dixon#data premiery#Glenn Rhee#Jeffrey Dean Morgan#Lauren Cohan#Maggie Greene#Melissa McBride#Michonne#Morning Star#Negan#Norman Reedus#odcinek 11#Rick Grimes#S10E11#sezon 10#Steven Yeun#The Walking Dead#zapowiedź#zwiastun#Żywe trupy
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Rick Grimes in The Walking Dead Love Rick shirt
Rick Grimes in The Walking Dead Love Rick shirt
Rick Grimes and Shane Walsh were two childhood friends. During school time, Shane was always a Rick Grimes in The Walking Dead Love Rick shirt good-looking girl. And Rick was just a normal girl, and also had a few girlfriends. These two close friends went to college together and then joined the deputy sheriff at King County. Later, Rick meets Lori, and proceeds with the “love rush” process. They…
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If Lori Had Lived
I found myself thinking "if" after reading a comment on Sunny's Loreth fic. Particularly the "Lord and Lady Macbeth" comment. If Lori had lived. Season 3: Rick wouldn't have gone nuts. There would still have been a push for food for Lori and Judith; milk doesn't come in immediately and it takes a lot of nutrients to keep breastfeeding a viable option. Their relationship would likely have strengthened and re-solidified as they worked out their shit. Except she would have been horrified by the Governor and the idea that he wanted to trade Michonne for their safety. Wouldn't even have considered it. And she likely would have clung to the idea that the prison could remain a home environment. If Rick had confided in her about what he realized C@rol had done, she would either have been torn over it or supported him in his decision. I also have an idea that she might have slowly started going insane as she had internal conflict over how much her clinging to the standard idea of white cis society was dangerous and how things were in the ZA. Season 4: She wouldn't have escaped with Rick or Judith. The writers wouldn't have let her. I could have seen her with Carol or by herself for a while. Definitely reunited with Rick, Michonne and Carl. Heartbroken to find out they didn't have Judith. Or, with Glen and Tara. OR with Lily Chambler! I could have SO seen that! Imagine, one woman desperately trying to find her family and another who just lost hers AND killed the bastard who set everything up for his own selfish revenge. The two juxtaposed together. Gimme!!! Lori would have been exposed to the dark attitude of Lily. They would have likely agreed to search for Lori's family and/or their remains. Lori's portrayal might have likely been the standard "society grief/depression bullshit"and Lily would have slammed that so hard that she'd be forced to reflect on her views vs the world they were now in. I can see them killing Lily off. In such a way that she sacrifices herself (perhaps in a slightly suicidal way) to give Lori a chance to find her family. Starting Lori's Heroine arc, less time spent on it than Beth's, but I could see her following the Claimers and coming upon the group just in time to see the situation for what it was and either she kills Joe in such a way as to literally bathe Rick in his blood (imagine, you're about to bite into a dudes throat and his blood is all over you, like the universe knew what you were about to do and made it happen just for you. The next eyes you meet are your blood spattered wife's. You've never seen that look on her face before: it scares you a little, if you could be scared through the shock. Together as one, without a word, you turn to kill the man attacking your child.) alternatively (imagine, Carl screams. Propelling Rick to tear Joe's throat out with his teeth. Rick turns around and realizes that the man attacking his son isn't saying anything coherent: he's yelling as a figure is hunched over him, straddling the bastard as she Cillian Murphy's the guy a'la 28 Days Later because strangling him just isn't killing him fast enough. Sees Michonne off to the side; not her. The figure stands. Turns. Face shadowed but her eyes shine in the dark. She steps forward into the starlight and it's Lori. They embrace, Lord and Lady Macbeth). Okay I need a break after that. But yeah I could see this.
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O que se pode esperar da 9ª temporada de The Walking Dead?
O que se pode esperar da 9ª temporada de The Walking Dead?
No final do mês passado fomos confrontados com uma dolorosa notícia relativamente ao elenco de “The Walking Dead“. O ator Andrew Lincoln, que interpreta o protagonista Rick Grimmes, pode estar de saída da série de sucesso. Nãaaaaaaaaaaaao. Segundo informações, Lincoln já comunicou a sua decisão aos produtores. A AMC ainda não se pronunciou sobre o assunto. Contudo não é só a personagem Rick que…
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