#lore would help in my staged duo lore problem but now I think I’ve just made it worse ooooof…. send help I need a medic

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Hmm…. Interesting, thank you. Yeah duh, I confess I didn’t have the chance to watch the video you linked before I asked lol… Still, that is January, which is a lot later than I thought originally…

See, I’ve always thought that Ranboo working with Dream made a lot of sense because their mindset and goals are very similar - about the people not the sides. The desire to have one big happy family not divided by politics and nations and a version of Ranboo with all of his memories meaning he remembers people before Tommy, Tubbo, Quackity and such would be more inclined to see a larger picture. Like it’s easy to be against Dream if one joined the server at Exile versus earlier because one didn’t see Dream fishing, bringing a horse home from thousands of blocks away, patching creeper holes or rebuilding Tubbo’s house. In general, the reason a child’s perception is so skewed is because of the small amount of memories they have to work with. They have less data to work with so they are making decisions, assumptions, choices, judgments etc with a small amount of information on the matter. So a Ranboo that has more memories would have more experience and be able to have a deeper understanding of things while still having the same goals, motivation and love for his friends, and because of that be more willing to work with Dream for big picture goal.

Course then comes the revival book and the comments about mind control, which given staged duo we can decide to believe or not, the way the revival book video frames things certainly implies the revive book is involved in some way, perhaps as a way to communicate to enderboo while being in prison… I don’t know, regardless if it was mind control then I see it more as hypnotism, where while hypnotized you are more inclined to do things but still would never do anything you don’t want to if that makes sense. The Cleveland Clinic has this to say about hypnosis “Your hypnotist or hypnotherapist guides hypnosis, but hypnosis is something you do for yourself. You can’t be made to do anything against your will. You won’t reveal any information that you wished to remain secret. You don’t lose control over your behavior. Hypnosis makes it easier to experience suggestions but doesn’t force you to have certain experiences.” In other words, because Ranboo’s beliefs and motivations seem to align with Dream I think perhaps that whatever they had going on wasnt mind control where Ranboo was Dream dummy to make so what he wants but more likely hypnosis. In which case, Ranboo is aware, has control, and doesn’t do anything against his will. This would also make sense given the memory thing as hypnosis has been used to both try and gain memories and more successfully forget. Course messing with the memories has proven to cause people to be more inclined to adopt a new memory as their own even when it isn’t. Though not that ccRanboo probably spent time reading psychological hypnosis articles and such lol - so maybe although not perfect this was more or less along the lines of what was happening - less mind control and more hypnosis. Hypnosis can also be self induced so perhaps the :) is a trigger for his brain to self hypnotize (other sources link & link) …

I don’t know this is just a thought obviously, but I feel like it’s significant that Ranboo and Dream’s mindsets we’re very similar so whatever this mind control was, that’s shown in the revival book video, wasn’t just forcing him to do things against his will…

Given the timeline then, if we are to believe that some Revival book experiments happened before prison then perhaps these instances of enderwalking leading into Dream’s voice is that. Which is different then what I was originally playing around with, that Ranboo was enderwalking before and then Dream somehow tapped into that or met enderboo and they became allies or whatever…

Which begs an interesting question of perhaps hypothetical, how did Dream pick Ranboo to experiment on? - just like imagine Dream reads the letters in exile or finds his memory book and confronts Ranboo to help him remember or maybe because the end is connected to the XD and the book he sought out Ranboo specifically. Or did Ranboo came to him or something, in hopes of getting his memory back, bringing forth enderboo that erased that interaction from his memory while under the hypothesis… I don’t know it’s just interesting… perhaps some of his memories are of the end and how it collapsed and part of Dream, Ranboo, and Punz’s goal is to keep that from happening to the server. But the hypothesis can’t last forever (making it easier to deal with traumatic memories) so he makes his conscious self forget them or something. I don’t know, just some thoughts…

Could you tell me when the first occurrence we know of c!Ranboo enderwalking happened? And also in relation to that, when was the first time c!Dream showed up in his head?

the first occurrence of enderwalking is a tricky thing to pin down, especially since the enderwalk is such a nebulous state and a lot of the times it happened are implied to be off-screen? but i'd say that arguably the first time where we the audience were clued into the fact that Something Is Up that wasn't just ordinary memory loss was during the lead up to doomsday, when c!ranboo first lost his memory book. and y'know what's especially crazy about this moment, which is arguably the beginning of c!ranboo's solo lore? is that it's in the last 20ish minutes of a vod that doesn't even start on the dsmp. wild.

as for the first time the dream voice showed up, i'm like 90% certain that was immediately after doomsday.