#lmao god if there is ONE stark to ship jaime with out of that generation

[janiedean]

i dislike pointing out good stuff about the show but show!jaime being a robb stan because boi defeated him one (1) time and him never forgetting it and reminding everyone about it and using the strategy in other battles is such an underrated character quirk

i mean i choose to believe that was someone who’s not dnd being consistent with it BUT anon you’re right and you should say it and it absolutely was one of the few good things abt show jaime that i’ll never say no to also bc admittedly at the end he was more of a robb stan than his whole family which… lmao

[tweedfrog]

can i ask the character thing for Arthur Dayne, Quentyn Martell and Tyene Sand pls 💕

Arthur Dayne

Sexuality Headcanon: In my head and (i feel like only in my head) Arthur is asexual and biromantic Gender Headcanon: Cis man A ship I have with said character: Arthur/Jaime but only unrequited as Jaime pining longingly for Arthur as a true knight, and Arthur being Jaime’s bi awakening. I also dont mind Arthur/Elia but ONLY when its done right (ie not as a way to excuse the Rhaegar fuckery). I once saw an Arthur/Elia suicide by cop headcanon where he purposefully got himself killed by Ned and the gang at the ToJ because he couldnt go on living after Elia was murdered and I was like.......excuse me let me go cry for a week.

Just realized all my ships for Arthur are unrequited lmao

A BROTP I have with said character: Arthur/Jaime. I think its really cute how much Jaime idolized Arthur. A NOTP I have with said character: Havent really thought about NoTP’s for him? I guess maybe a romantic Arthur/Rhaegar. Like everyone was in love with Rhaegar pls let one person not do that. A random headcanon: Arthur and Ashara are close in age and have a relationship where theyre fighting like cat or dog or getting along like a house on fire. No in between. 

General Opinion over said character: Dissapprove massivley of his choices to aid Rhaegar in making off with Lyanna Stark. But I do like the tension between duty/love and when good fanfic writers explore that through Arthur I love those stories. I also think he was a pretty dishonourable person (helping Rhaegar, turning a blind eye to Aerys/Rhaella etc) and definitley think that the mythos built up around him is reflective of the hollow nature of knighthood in general.

Quentyn Martell

Sexuality Headcanon: Straight Gender Headcanon: Cis man (god why are all my gender headcanons so boring) A ship I have with said character: QUENTYN MARTELL/NOT DYING 2020, QUENT/BEING ALIVE IN TWOW. Aside from that I think it would be pretty nice if Quent got to make it back to Dorne and marry a nice girl and live the quiet life he obviously wanted. My poor baby A BROTP I have with said character: Quent/Drink, and quent/all his buddies. A NOTP I have with said character: Quent is a great guy and can be shipped with anyone because he would love them and respect them. I ALSO JUST REMEMBERED THAT TYWIN TRIED TO SUGGEST QUENTYN/CERSEI AND OMG CAN YOU IMAGINE A random headcanon: Quentyn seems to have missed out on the charm/BDE that other Martells have which I think he is very insecure over. He works extra hard and applies himself to compensate for this. Just like Arianne was close to Doran as a child he was close to Mellario which made his fostering initially very hard. General Opinion over said character: Love him, would marry him myself in a heart beat, Viserion/Rhaegal you shithead lizards why did you kill him

Tyene Sand

Sexuality Headcanon: Distinguished Bisexual. Gender Headcanon: Cis woman A ship I have with said character: Tyene/someone who appreciates how smart she is A BROTP I have with said character: Tyene/Ari is the ultimate canon Brotp. If we find out Tyene ratted Ari out i will s c r e a m A NOTP I have with said character: Tyene/Arianne and trying to have sex at the age of like 12. GRRM stop with the exotic/erotic trope, stop hypersexualising women of colour, and stop sexualising teenage girls in general A random headcanon: Tyene once burned herself very badly on her right arm when trying to mix a poison and wears long sleeves to cover the scar. General Opinion over said character: Love her cant wait to see more of her in TWOW

Thanks for asking!

[adecila]

Game of Thrones – 8x04 “The Last of the Starks” episode analysis – or who the fuck ever let D&D write stuff

You know I am pretty much like this dude here –

so I will be the woman to lead this ship or so help me all the old gods and the new.

Spoilers, d’uhh.

Aftermath - but everyone has their wardrobe on fleek, hair looking fab and they even had time to clean the entire field of Winterfell

The episode starts with the funeral pyre and how DARE you make me love Jorah even more and twist the knife in my heart. And did you have to show me Theon, Beric, Edd’s and Lyanna’s bodies??? 

RUDE.

Jon is doing a big speech and it is nice and drove the sobbing further, but I get it this is Jon’s turf so he has to be the one making the big speech. That is such a Dany thing though, and I can’t help to think, when put into perspective with the rest of the episode, that it’s yet again a thing Dany has lost. But more on that later. 

The pyres are lit, sad music, more sobbing from me. OOOPS BUT DID YOU CATCH THAT JONERYS EXCHANGE OF LOOKS? Because I did! I can’t help but think how he looks at her for reassurance and she feels it and she turns and she is just.so.broken. And then she cries and I cry again. 

A feast for crows the survivors 

And then we get a feast and suddenly everyone is happy and stuff… ok, I guess life goes on. Maybe Sandor’s crass remark, under the guise of a funny moment, was meant to make us think on it. But maybe that’s too deep for D&D who the fuck knows. 

Let’s talk about Gendry’s legitimisation. 

Dany does it quite publicly, and small exchange between her and Tyrion makes sense. Honestly, if she hadn’t done it herself then and there, it would have come up at a later point, but with 2 episodes left there’s no time. S.ansa does her shady looks because she throws shade and Bran just stares into the void smh. 

In which I am the Hound unimpressed and eating his chicken. 

Davos x Tyrion

The Lord of Light fucked off into the sunset when he saw D&D’s piss poor writing and honestly same. He probably fucked off when he saw Melisandre was still getting his prophecies wrong. 

Every time S.ansa comes into frame my soul leaves my body a bit more because whY THO. 

Tyrion x Bran the 3ER

Cool beans Bran, that’s how you use you abilities? OMG JOJEN FUCKING DIED FOR YOU–

“I mostly live in the past now” - to me this means Bran has become this empty shell of a man and he just visits the past and checks out cool shit. It’s like a kid who gets access to YouTube for the first time. Heck he can even see his dad or whoever else he misses if he feels anything at all now. Because if he doesn’t even have “wants” then? What was the point of it all? God I swear the writers will not rest until they will have reduced all characters to tropes and empty shells of their former selves.

Tormund and the gang around Jon; Tyrion with Jaime ; Dany alone

This scene right here was the beginning of the end. Remember when Tormund was a dude who was in awe by strong women? D&D don’t. He suddenly is so far up Jon’s ass nothing could take him out. Guess it pays off for him in the end since Jon just gifts him Ghost.

S.ansa just fucking stop OMG PLEASE STOP WITH THE FUCKING LOOKS JFC.

But where was Missandei??? Why was Dany alone? And what the fuck was that look, VArYs?? Someone give Dany a hug because my god the isolation is real. Fuck. STOP. TAKING. EVERYTHING. FROM HER.

Never have I ever… thought the writers would stoop so low but here we are

So it’s all fun and games until it isn’t. 

Poor Tormund. Jaime never deserved Brienne and that’s a fact. 

And the mystery of Willa, the sassy Northern girl has been solved! Bless!!!

SanSan, but with more misogynistic undertones than you ever thought

Yeah you know what, I am not touching this scene. Fuck D&D for daring to say that.

Gendrya - or the moment Gendry decided to pull a Ted Mosby 

I feel so bad OMG they did this ship so dirty. However. Arya saying that was expected. But I call bullshit on her never rethinking her decision. Girl’s got a list and she just can’t NOT try to finish it, I mean, wouldn’t you? After you killed such a big boss as the NK? 

At the same time, they would be trying for faux feminism, pulling a Arya doesn’t need a man to be happy. Guess the sex was just to try it? Wow can you believe they cheapened this ship and that beautiful moment like that? 

I’m so sorry babies, you deserved much better. Guess Gendry was always meant to have his heart broken by a Stark girl once he became a Baratheon. Wow. 

Weirdly enough!!! And spoiler maybe?? Leak? Idk. But I feel like Gendrya will prevail (also because she looks heartbroken to reject him like that…). When asked if Gendrya will rule the 7K, Friki said no, these two aren’t made for ruling anything. For what’s worth, Friki mentioned he does know Arya’s endgame and shebis confirmed alive in the Dragon Pit in 8x06 :)

Oathsex

Uff yeah I did not like that. It felt wrong in the context and it felt cheap and I…. yeah IDK. And then Jaime leaves. He could have at least told Brienne that he is he only one who can kill Cersei or IDK, but not leave her like that. Jeesh dude my poor Knight, she is gutted by him. 

Jonerys makeout and chat and hey who wanted angst? Turn on your location I just wanna chat. 

Sooo flip side: I somehow, for the second time, predicted a thing in my fic. HOWEVER D&D keep only getting half my fics because GURL DID YOU NOT GET THE SMUT MEMO? AND THE FLUFF MEMO?

So Dany goes to find Jon, again, who is tipsy, and Jon suddenly remembers to give Dany some comfort for having lost Jorah… 

The set up for Dany saying ILY it’s a bit .. ehh. But her actual words: “He loved me, but I couldn’t love him back, not the way he wanted it. Not the way I love you. Is that alright?” 

A+ scene. I love how he can’t help himself and as soon as she is in his arms’ range he just pulls her into him, BEFORE she asks “Is that alright?”. 

Uff emo side note here, this scene and this phrase reminded me of this song. Listen and sob. you’re welcome.

On that depressive note, wow that make out tho. Two things I learned from this scene: 1 - Jon is horny drunk, which same; and 2 - Jon is a tiddies guy like he dove in and went for the tiddies, which also same. Am I Jon? Is this why I keep guessing his fucking reactions but D&D won’t give me the rest????? We’ll never know.

And… then Jon stops and pulls back. And I KNOW that in the BTS we are told he is disgusted or whatever along those lines, but to me?? That look means he is CONFLICTED. And listen, if y’all wanted it to make it to mean "disgusted" then you should have made Kit do it differently since YOU KNOW HE WAS FAKE GAGGING TO EMILIA EVERY OTHER MINUTE. YOU CAN’T KEEP ADDING SHIT LATER YOU FUCKING DUMBASSES YOU EITHER PUT IT IN THE ACTUAL  SHOW AND THE ACTUAL ACTING OR STFU.

But I guess to me that rejection was more for the general audience than for us. C’mon he clearly loves her, his dick was so hard he was about to nut then and there. Stop bringing your 21st century considerations into a feudalistic fantasy where you have Royals and dragons. Also FUCK YOU VARYS BECAUSE EVEN IN THE NORTH AUNT AND NEPHEW MARRIED SO FUCK YOU BALDIE.

I digress. Then Dany echoes what Jon himself thinks/said - wishing she would have never known. And then we get something that I felt when she was alone and sad at the feast. “I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look; the same way people looked at me, but never on this side of the sea” - yeah so I need a break.

This here - cemented for me what I think the show is doing: stripping everything away from Dany: her armies, her children, her people and the love her people have for her… then Jon. And I don’t mean that as in the sense of some bullshit fleak. No, I mean it in the context of this episode. Because Jon never says I love you back (and maybe @normalisjustafairytale is right and Jon is afraid to say it after Ygritte), and he rejects her, and he says he can’t NOT tell his sisters, even if Dany begs him not to. So in a sense, for now at least, Jon is being taken away from her. So you have all this isolation and losing and losing and then what does she have left? The only constant in her life? The fucking Iron Throne. Because at the moment there is nothing else for her and she probably feels like she will be nothing without it. Hence why she presses to go and take Cersei down. I won’t lie to you, it is cheap writing and very lame and honestly I have read fics a million times better than this bullshit, but they will, at one point, hit us with the boatie reveal, and when that happens, and when Jon fucking finally pulls through and stands by her side, she will have something else, a different constant in life. Moreover, because she realises that the people here in Westeros will never love her, she will have even more of a reason to bow out, say a big fuck you, take her boatie and her hubs and get to her house with the red door. 

This is not just wishful thinking, it is very much D&D, and they will of course “humble the powerful woman” (I puked in my mouth by writing that). But also, my consolation is that with this episode, heck even the people who weren’t necessarily her fans, are on her side and asking her to burn KL down. Which I don’t think she would, but more on that in a different post. God this post is already long.

*bathroom break*

BAck. Then Dany echoes what I also said in my fic ugh I hate myself what we all know and are thinking: it doesn’t matter if Jon doesn’t want it; it matter that there are people out there (fucking S.ansa jfc this fucking UGGHDGugduzdahidfg) who don’t like Dany and will support Jon immediately over her. She is right and he is stupid for not seeing it. 

I guess I also got my bending the knee from my fic. Kinda. FUCK.ME.

I cannot believe that my Queen had to BEG him and Jon had to be so naive. BOY DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE LESSON FROM YOUR FATHER? Two can keep a secret is one of them is dead, Jonno. Did you not watch Pretty Little Liars??? Why the fuck do you think Ned Stark didn’t tell his wife?? LMAO she would have sold him just like S.asnsa blabbed on you, guess the J___sas were right, it was a bit of a Ned x Cat parallel, probably Cat would have sold Ned also in a fucking instant. Dany is absolutely right. This shit cannot be contained because you don’t know how people would react to it. 

“She’s not the girl you grew up with” … BOOM.

I love how he cradles her face into his hands MY FUCKING HEART MY HEART.

Pause. The part where she begs remind me of this traumatic moment:

… fuuuuck. Anyway.

And I love how she turns the tables on him. But Jon… is still Jon for plot reasons I guess. Maybe he didn’t understand why Ned had to keep the secret for so many years. 

The end of the Northern plot - BYE NO ONE WILL MISS YOU

The Starks can choke. They are cancelled. 

Yeah no. Bye. Fuck S.ansa or Sandra, who the fuck this OOC shitty ass character is. Fuck every single one of them. Wow, emotional manipulation at its finest. I just love how they basically called this episode the last of the Starks because they just character assassinated all of them. Edit: LMAO you know what this is? The shitty family that pulls over one member and tries to break him up with his wife, for the sole reason they don't like her. Because fuck their brother's happiness. Because they are fucking selfish people.  

Jaime x Tyrion x my headache

Let’s add to the list of cancelled people Jaime and Tyrion just for that fucking chat.

“I will pay you double” ex machina, and that’s how the Bronn issue is solved. Just as Friki said, btw. 

Arya x The Hound

So I guess Arya just fucking lies through her teeth now smh, since she was guilt trippig JON JUST MOMENTS AGO and she just up and leaves BECAUSE FUCK FAMILY I GUESS 

Tyrion is suddenly afraid of Dany so I guess we are supposed to excuse Sandra’s petty shady jealous ass 

Sandra is fucking jealous and insane. Littlefinger will be proud. Her face though. This fucking bitch doesn’t like that he is a Targaryen LMFAO she is scheming so hard bahahahahah

She is fucking cancelled. They murdered her character the moment they took her out of the Vale. FIGHT ME ON THIS I FUCKING DARE YOU.

Jon x Tormund x Ghost - say your goodbyes

Hey hey hey so that line where Jon belongs in the North? The real North, which for Tormund is North of the Wall since he calls Winterfell the South? Guess where those waterfalls from 8x01 are?

Jon is the worst dog owner KILL ME.

Fucking Sam Tarly

Jon was like yeah no don’t name your kid after me. Interesting how he could tell from a hug that Gilly was pregnant. Hope Dany starts showing soon *wink wink boatie is still coming*

The IT or Southern plot

Tyrion x Varys

I cannot wait for Varys to die. Like, he is spewing inaccurate information and then, he is suddenly against Dany and suddenly only Jon is a war hero. Just because he has a dick. Fuck D&D and their sexist asses Also VArys keeps talking about the realm LMAO YOU KNOW WHAT I SEE? I see kings dying all around you, and the only constant it’s you. Who is the problem, I wonder? 

Euron ex machina

Makes no fucking sense. But I guess nobody cares anymore.

Yeah I screamed when Rhaegal died. And I screamed again with Dany.

I guess Dany couldn’t just fly behind Euron’s ship and roast them all for plot reasons. 

Dragonstone mess

Fuck you, Varys. And fuck you, Tyrion. Not you, Greyworm, ILY *hugs tightly*

BONUS: FUCK YOU JAIME FUUUUUCK YOU FOR LEAVING BRIENNE LIKE THAT. BYE BITCH GOOD RIDDANCE.

King’s Landing mess & the shitty ass parley that even Captain Sparrow could have organised better

Ew how much time has it passed since Cersei is already claiming to be preggers? 

“So much for the breaker of chains” - is again, a sign they are trying to strip Dany of everything she has and is. 

Tyrion and Qyburn - ew, but also Qyburn has a point, why would Cersei surrender? Oh and I think the point to save Rhaegal from the NK only for him to die at the hands of Euron is to further handicap Dany and make the Cersei threat real, and have a reason to keep Drogon away from KL - HAVE YOU ALL SEEN THE SCORPIONS EVERYWHERE?

Ugh Tyrion stop trying to get Cersei to love you LMFAO she doesn’t. But I know, it is hard to break from toxic relationships and abusers. Tyrion told Cersei “you are not a monster” and she literally went “HOLD MY BEER”.

Missandei’s death made me sick to my stomach and traumatised me for life. We should all collectively agree to NEVER give D&D our attention again and never let them write anything again. 

Missandei hatefully spewing DRACARYS as her last words was so strong it made me start crying because holy shit this was a peaceful person, and for her to show this much hate and rage was so gutting…  fuck me. I am crying again. I think she also meant, besides from the obvious, “there is no reasoning with these people, so why bother. Might as well blow it the fuck up.”

And Grey’s reaction wow - again, I was about to puke, despite the scene not being the most gorey on GoT, but it was so intrinsically and viscerally wrong my mind could not deal. 

In conclusion

Poor Dany, she has lost everything. EVERYTHING. She is literally at her lowest. After the discussion with Jon, she slipped back the Queen mask - like you can pinpoint the moment she does so! And she keeps it on in front of everyone else but her dragons.

I am expecting a very very cold (but very fragile inside) Dany in 8x05. I am expecting her to push Jon away. Oh and at the ending of 8x04 she totally just gets up on Drogon and goes back to Dragonstone. No way she does anything yet so soon.

I haven’t watched any of the BTS and Making of videos, nor have I watched the 8x05 promo. Will do soon.

Stay strong, jonerys is still going strong. I am here until the very end and I still think this will end with jonerys together. Will it be good writing? Nope. But it will end well. As I keep saying. We’re missing the “sweet” in this fucking “bittersweet” shit show. Stop saying it ends badly because of 8x03.

If you need me, you know where to find me. Image of me in the fandom. Except I charge nothing.

Oh and PS: FUCK D&D.

[raviposting]

jonerys

Long fucking post ahead lmao so it’s going under a read more after the bullets. And just bc this specific fandom likes to comment on my posts all the time I’m gonna get this out of the way first and then talk about them more in the ask: 

I know boat sex is going to happen. 

I know the Targs have incestuous relationships and that Starks have had cousin marriages. (Although incest relationships also are portrayed as negative in both book and show but more on that later.)

Yes, I’ve seen this coming. I know the series’ name, I am in no way surprised that Jon and Dany will be together in a non-platonic way. 

Coming off that, I know the books will have them too. That...doesn’t mean I can’t still criticize the decision. You can understand why something was written and still dislike that it happened. 

This is only going to be tagged “anti jonerys”. Not anything else related to the show/books. I’m not invading your tag, so you’re either on mobile where their filtering system sucks or you’re scrolling through the anti tags. Either way, please chill out about it. 

All right, so, I’ve always kind of assumed Jon and Dany would meet, and also that they’d have some type of romantic relationship. The series is called A Song of Ice and Fire, and save it being a twist and referring to Jon, chances are it’s about both Jon and Dany. I didn’t particularly like that - as I’m not into incest ships - but I figured it would happen in some capacity. I figured they might fall hard for each other, then have the reveal, and then the two would have to work with that fallout (and I’ve thought maybe they’d have a political marriage to just make it work for both of them, but my ideal - beyond, you know, no romance - has always been that if they have to get married, that it be platonic). 

So, let’s go with points 2-5 first: I still do wish that after the reveal they don’t transition into a full out romance, but the show (and books) are going to do what they’re going to do, and I’ve already accepted that and have my ideals that I hope will happen. I do still think that the book may not have them be a completely endgame ship, however. While yes, the Targs have been incestuous, this has also led to people thinking negatively of their house. People have claimed that the Targaryens were destroyed because they were so incestuous. Generations of incest is not healthy, which was shown with the “great or mad” issue. Every time a Targ is born they’ll either be great, or a mad ruler, and it’s implied that it’s due to them having a long history of incestuous marriages. 

And yes, the Starks have had cousin marriages before, but none of our current main characters (that we root for) have expressed any interest in a relative - not even Dany, who will be more open to it than Jon, I’ll give you that, but still never expressed interest in say, Viserys, who she expected to marry. 

The ones that do are shamed for it - whether it be Cersei and Jaime (brother and sister) or Cersei and Lancel (cousins). Incest may have been a thing in their family history, but this current cast of characters? It’s definitely not as looked upon as it was in their parents’ time, but rather as a negative aspect of their house system. And..sidenote. This is about fandom, but why is it that fans very smugly say “it’s incest, it’s not a dealbreaker for them this is their world”? Like...I really don’t get the reasoning in that because the characters may not be as strongly opposed to it as modern day viewers are, but...like...why is the incest not a dealbreaker for you, someone who is in our world and not the GOT world??? 

And then for 1, and I suppose 3. Again, I know they’re gonna happen. I know boat sex is going to happen. But you know what? They have no chemistry - I know, I know, chemistry is subjective. But to me, I’ve seen no romantic chemistry. Before season 7, I thought I would have to fight against the chemistry. And, even though I hate Jonerys, I loved the idea of Jon & Dany meeting, I was hyped for it, ready to enjoy it. But...it just. There’s nothing there. After 10 minutes I was bored because the chemistry I had expected? Wasn’t there. It just feels flat and boring. 

If it weren’t for tumblr and Davos’s “looking at her good heart” line I wouldn’t know it was supposed to be a romance - which, by the way, the fact that the writers have to throw in that line, to let people know that’s what they intend? It’s bad writing. I have friends who aren’t on tumblr, and when I tell them people ship Jon and Dany, the first reaction is usually “wait, why? They don’t even like each other.” 

Kit and Emilia are good actors, but I just don’t see that chemistry. And I know they have the potential to have that romantic spark - Jon with Ygritte, even Jon with Gendry gave me more in 5 seconds than 3 episodes with Dany. I don’t even like the Jorah/Dany ship, yet I see the romantic chemistry far better. Sometimes I think I see a romantic emotion from Dany, but Jon? He seems completely uninterested and more than willing to get away from her presence and back home to fight the white walkers. And the way their fandom talks about it, it just reads like every Straight Person(TM) joke post I’ve ever seen. They argue, seem to actively dislike each other, and Jon keeps asking to leave yet fans will portray it as romantic or couple goals and...no. That’s not, they’re literally in the same room or actively asking to go away that’s...not romantic? Incest or not, I see nothing romantic between them and the boat sex scene? The fact that it’s only 2 episodes away feels extremely forced to me, as has most of Jon and Dany’s interactions this entire season, and it may be canon in both book and show but if it had to be, it definitely could have been written better. 

And god, fandom has been irritating me and that’s honestly bumped up how much I dislike the ship, I’m going to be completely honest.  Commenting on just about every post, refusing valid criticisms as “the haters”, mixed in with certain Dany fans who think any comment about her being a White Savior is misogynistic (rather than, you know, listening to actual POC fans). The fandom has actively made me hate this ship more than I ever thought I could, because by god I was really just of the idea of “it’ll happen and I’ll hate it but I guess I’ll just ignore it” mood before season 7 lmao. 

Regardless, that’s basically it.

tl;dr:  I’m not into it because I don’t ship incest and I don’t see the chemistry, and because fandom is one of the most intrusive groups I have ever seen. 

Send me a ship and I’ll give you my (brutally) honest opinion on it