#lillie sm anime

[rinrirnnnnnrin]

Lillies’ Full Force

[coern-art-very-cool-and-nice]

im proud of the lighting on this one reference on the right 👉 (btw, if anybody knows the image source pls lmk!! I'd like to give credit if necessary)

[saturnniidae]

How is it an actual take that anime Lusamine wasn't a bad parent bc she's not a villain like her counterparts 💔

[personalindustry]

dawg what is this show

[glitchfang]

i get why they didnt do this, but i brought the idea up to eve and now im sad it didnt happen…. wouldve been cool if the SM anime had TWO cosmog, one for ash and one for lillie, so they could spotlight solgaleo and lunala properly

[ardour-87]

[timegears]

trying to draw lillie rn and i just remembered that one anon i got that was like "anime lillie is such an annoying bitch for constantly whining about how she can't touch pokemon" like yeah you're right fuck that traumatized child for displaying symptoms of trauma

[supergirlytreiner]

Poketober Day 7: Rock Type

You look like me...

[startheskelaton]

If sparkplug knew of 2000s media, what would their certain hyperfixation be as a sparkling? (ex: indie games, tcg type games or books like warrior cats etc)

(Also love your work sm ❤️❤️)

(Okay so I’m looking back at my own interests as a kid so don’t come for me)

As a little LITTLE kid, she was definitely a huge fan of Kevin Henkes books, so like “Chrysanthemum”, “Lilly’s purple plastic purse”, “Owen”. I feel like she would really like those books. “Charlie and Lola” along with any books by “Leo Lionni” were definitely on her little bookshelf for the paper cut out visuals alone

She 100% watched LPS videos on early YouTube, LPS popular was definitely a core memory for her.

She has a great love of music, but her general style that she’d grow into would be more influenced by grunge and punk specifically. But i know in my heart of hearts she loved Avril Lavigne.

I think she would have been really interested in creepypasta, however more from a writing aspect as she really wanted to make her own. She definitely has a stack of notebooks with hundreds of attempted and forgotten stories. She definitely scribbled the proxy symbol on things she had thinking she was super cool and epic.

She also has a soft spot for Godzilla movies but it’s not as crazy as the other interests.

Huge into fanfics tho, absolutely obsessed with them. She also obviously had an anime phase, you know the one, when you refuse to watch anything but anime for a while? Unironically she would adore Oran high school host club, she’d make a full fanfic about Ritsu getting with Haru instead of Tamaki.

[love-is-a-pearl]

hey so I know we talked a little about Kalos with Silver (for their Kalosian Woods AU) but I was rereading your one post thread about the character arc shown from Unova to Kalos to Alola and how Kalos wouldn’t have really been a narratively satisfying League win for Ash in the grand scheme of the Pokemon anime. Your analysis gave me a new appreciation for what the Alola League did and also for the inter-region story that was developed with Ash and his desire to win.

At the same time, however, I’ve been thinking about how the main XYZ writers originally wanted Kalos to be a league win for Ash, and how, combined with the final episodes of XYZ, how it did feel like they were trying to end Ash’s story there (no transition to the next region, etc). And Im thinking about how, in an alternate timeline, we could’ve gotten that and might’ve even had an Alola anime with a new protagonist, if they’d wanted to end Ash’s story with Kalos.

So I was wondering, what changes would you make to Ash’s XYZ character that would make a Kalos League win feel thematically appropriate and satisfying? Would you change anything about his dynamics with the rest of the group?

And what would you have liked from a SM/Alola anime with a different protagonist? Do you think they would’ve been able to maintain the theme of family and the culture the anime proper gave Alola? With a new protagonist, would you have had Guzma win the league, or them, or someone else entirely?

This really is just to bounce off ideas, so don’t feel like you need to respond.

Ok, first I think getting a run-down of why Kalos wouldn't be a good place to end things is a good starting point:

Ash's pokemon (other than a certain frog) are barely relevant

Kalos had a laser focus on Greninja and that's the season's biggest flaw in my eyes. Pokemon got lucky if they had episodes beyond the ones where they evolved, with Goodra and Noivern being the most blatant examples of that.None of them had super close connections with Ash and the fact some of them never even had any relevant battles before the league would make such important win along them feel extremely dissatisfying for me.

Compare that to Alola, where Ash actually had super close bonds with each pokemon he caught (save for Melmetal tbh) and how each of them had arcs in the league itself!

That's awesome! And that's the right only way for Ash to have a League win! It got to be something he does along his pokemon. Not just for himself.

Also, Ash winning any league wouldn't be as impactful if it was not by Pikachu's side (and I can assure that Kalos wouldn't allow anyone one other than Greninja to take down Diantha's Gardevoir if we came to that).

JNs was not the best and Alola's battles could have been better sure, but the fact Pikachu was there in the last battle as Ash's final pokemon in both instances is cathartic. Pikachu is Ash's extension! It's important for Pikachu to be there in the finale along Ash for such important moments for them. Kalos would not have done that.

The companions and Ash are not that close

Sorry not sorry but the "Kalos fam" has some of the most superficial dynamics of all the anime.

Serena and Ash's relationship (which was even supposed to be more than friendship) is painful to watch at times. Ash doesn't seem to like her much, not ever trying to learn about her (even with her saying they DID met before) and in general is very one-sided.

And the same can be said about Clemont. He sees Ash as this amazing trainer he has to aim towards, but other than the "science is amazing" comments, Ash doesn't seem to reciprocate at all.

Neither of them help eachother with their goals other than some few times Clemont and Ash trained. Like, compared to May, with whom Ash was very invested in getting her to find something to do at the beggining and how he showed even more interest in her goal around Battle frontier. Dawn (nuff said). Iris, with whom he trained plenty of times. Lillie, who he put lots of effort into helping with her fear of pokemon (and even sometimes Mallow's and Sophocles' episodic goals).

Gosh, even certain characters of the day got more of Ash's support than Serena and Clemont, with Korrina being the most obvious and funny example. Ash gets so attached to her, her training and her wish to become stronger and they interact SO naturally that is always funny to see how the writers can write such good dynamics between Ash and this one gym girl but not yknow, his "kalosian family". And dont dare to say that he is only like that because she wants to be stronger. Clemont wants that too and Ash doesn't give a SHIT!

Ash is a character that cares a lot for others and the fact he seemed to care so little for his Kalos friends is painful to watch (specially with how much Clemont and Serena ADORE him!)

A season where Ash wins a league shouldn't be about only him achieving something (which Kalos totally feels like). It should be something more. Something about how Ash being with those people helped them grow, about how they helped him grow, and how much they matter to him.

Kalos is not a relevant place for Ash himself

There's nothing about how Kalos is written that makes the region or the people in there feel special for Ash.

Honestly this can be said to all regions. I'm a Sinnoh apologist but even I admit that Ash becoming Sinnoh champion wouldn't be the most interesting for him as he doesn't have a super strong connection with it other than Dawn, Paul and kinda of Cynthia.

In Kalos he surely had Serena, Clemont, Bonnie; And Sycamore, Korrina, Alain and Diantha can be added into the list too if we force it a bit. But there's nothing about Kalos itself that makes it stand out as a region Ash would want to "reign", you get me? Maaaybeeee the romance thing with Serena could make it more relevant, but that was done poorly and doesn't count enough for me.

To be completely honest, the most satisfactory region for Ash to win up to gen6 would totally have been Kanto. That's his home, where he was born, his mom is there, lots of his friends (brock, misty, gary, oak, tracey) are there. That's where he met Pikachu.

No other region felt as special up till Alola. And sure it is super cheesy at times, but it works!

With those in mind, I think is also worth noting how Kalos' beggining and ending are smh detached from the middle story and how that lack of planning is one of the reasons the writing in that season is so irritating for me.

Like, we have the first 2 episodes of Kalos that stabilish:

That Clemont lost his gym to his own robot.

That Clemont's father is a superhero.

That Serena knows Ash for a while now.

And then in the Flare Finale, we have the payoff to those things, with:

Clembot dying.

Clemont and Bonnie discovering (with the most lukewarm reactions my I add) that Myers is Blaziken Mask.

Serena kissing Ash.

And that's the thing. Other than in the beggining and ending: THOSE THINGS DONT MATTER!!!!

Clemont losing the gym to Clembot is resolved in ep9 and that whole thing about him losing the gym matters nothing in the long run other than that we lose the precious potential of having a Heliolisk in the main gang!

Meyer NEVER appears outside of the starting and ending arcs!

Serena and Ash BARELY interact in any meaningful way in the WHOLE anime and their friendship is one of the weakest between all main characters!

For any of the above to hold weight, there should have been more moments in the actual anime building up to it. Clemont's gym thing should have been more important than just the place where Ash jumped off from; Meyer should have been a more relevant character; Ash should have been a better friend to Serena if they wanted to sell the idea that this girl really feel for this version of him when he is extremely neutral to her at best (and a complete jerk at worse).

Honestly for a Kalos league win to feel earned, a whole rewrite from ep 7 to 136 would be needed for me lol

Make Serena's "give up too fast" into an actual character trait and not something her mom said once. Have her try things (SPECIALLY BATTLES) and give up! Have Ash help her with those things and try his optimistic "dont give up" bullshit only for it to backfire on her because it's not easy for everybody to be like that.

And not rushing her into "doing something" because they wasted 50 episodes not trying anything with her beforehand! It's fine that Serena took so long to find what she wanted to do, but the fact she didn't try anything or had any moment focused on her struggling with that beforehand IS NOT!

Have Clemont learn something from Ash too. Have his struggle with maintaining the Gym and what it all means to him hold more weight! Have Clemont try Ash's humanxpokemon training a few times so he can build up his confidence. Have that lil tidbit we saw before his battle with Ash and what it means to be a Gym Leader be an integral part of his character! Have his inventions be more relevant than just some gag. Have him and Serena be closer because they "arent like Ash, but they want to be".

Have Ash affect them, but also have them affect Ash more! Have Ash learn how to dance with Serena and have that stick! Combine that with Counter Shield and make that move go from "ash and dawn's thing" to "ash and ALL HIS FRIENDS's thing" QAQ Have Ash learn some strategies from Clemont too and use his inventions during his pokemon training!

HAVE THE DAMN POKEMON INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WITH TRAINERS OTHER THAN THEIR OWN!!

Gosh, seriously, the fact I can count on one hand the amount of times Ash ever acknowledged Fennekin's existence is terrible! The pokemon should be as relevant as people in the goddamn pokemon anime and that's one thing Kalos failed to get that all other seasons get (maybe not JNs).

We could have had so much more SerenaxHawlucha moments if they weren't cowards. That bird would have LOVED showcases and the fact Hawlucha never saw a single one of those shows how much Kalos' writing fails at making those characters feel connected with their stupid "only one person at the spotlight each time" approach. If an episode is about Serena, only her pokemon appear; If its about Clemont, only his pokemon appear; if is about Ash, good luck having screen time even if you're a human. And that's bad. That should not be the approach to a pokemon season, let alone the season where the MC is supposed to achieve his most important goal!

But let's say that Kalos ends as it is and Ash wins. I think another year and another 50 or so episodes would be needed still. To have Ash go throught the same arc he went throught Alola, but in Kalos.

Maybe we could have a rewrite from Snowbelle onwards.

Maybe after how Ash acts when she was just trying to help, Serena could leave the gang (I know it sounds like me being a hater but HEAR ME OUT). Ash hurt her feelings, treated her horribly right before and is not like she has a reason to stay other than to cheer for him in the league. So she leaves (and I keep thinking on expanding the idea of her final words being something like "I thought you were different" to add to "that's not you" she says in that episode).

And that's what gets Ash to realize he messed up. If he got the kindest girl in the world fed up with his bullshit is because he messed up big time.

And I like the promise he makes with Greninja, about starting from zero, and that could be what he does here.

But to what extend, i dont know.. I keep thinking that he could rechallenge gym leaders and about Hoenn's battle frontier to tie in with Hoenn remakes, but neither of those sound right (specially since he already did the battle frontier).

Maybe a Brandon re-challenge in specific? Since Ash never won against him fully and to parallel Paul back in DP?

Or maybe a small arc of him re-challenging the gym leaders in the Battle Chateau (it could work as JN's world championship tbh)?

Maybe he goes back to Lumiose with Clemont and we have a bit more of Meyer too to salvage THAT plot point. And maybe Sycamore could even give him mega stones to help him "start over" :0c Maybe he could then bring back reserves to tie in everything properly?

I dont know.

What I know is: It would be nice to follow a bit of Serena's side too! Maybe she could just go back home or go all the way to Hoenn and start doing contests! And we could see her growing into more of her own person and expanding the abilities she never explored before (LIKE BATTLING WHY SHE NEVER BATTLED?) and existing outside of Ash yknow!?

And more importantly, on Ash's side, I think it would be a great chance of showing his feelings for Serena in this "arc" if they really wanted to make them endgame.

Like, have him realize how much he misses her, how her support was way more important to him than he expected and have him realize how the people around you are more important than winning or something. Same message from Alola but with that romantic twist Kalos yearns for.

Have Ash grow into "the person he really is" for Serena mostly. And have him reach for her just to show her that (perhaps in a battle :3c) and have her finally back into the gang after he proves just how much he really cares.

And then league goes same way I guess. Except Greninja gets backseated for the finale cause I say so.

Now, SunMoon!

Alola would totally maintain the family theme no matter what, yes!

Alola's core theme is "finding a place where you belong" after all. We can see that in the games too, with Lillie's problems with her mother; Gladion who keeps this split life of "do I protect my sister or do I embrace Team Skull"; How Team Skull themselves is a bunch of kiddos that failed the island challenge and have nowhere to be due to that. Even the protag that comes from a whole nother region to find themselves adapting to a new life.

That's also why letting Ash win there, the kid who never had a place to belong despite 20 years of going around, is very satisfactory too.

But doing that with any main character that feels displaced in their own home would have been good ngl (making the MC Selene instead of Helio and expand on that outcast feel with some queer-coding in her relationship with Lillie would be awesome ôwô)

I also keep thinking of the idea of cutting the middle man and upgrading Lillie into full main character.

Ash stole Nebby from her, but lets say that the anime goes kinda the same way but the Tapus give Lillie Nebby instead. It would be interesting.

Have her try and protect it while also hiding it from her mom. Have her learn to battle to protect it and slowly grow stronger herself. I just like the idea of Lillie becoming a battler ok? It feels like the natural progression from scared girl who can't talk back to her mom /scared of pokemon > to girl who can fight for her ideals along the pokemon that took her in when no one else did.

Have her go with it as Solgaleo after her mom and save her with the pokemon that has always been by her side! The Pokemon that felt more like family than her own. Good stuff!

But the league.. I dont know honestly. If we keep this idea of Lillie as MC, down to living with Kukui and finding a family under him, it can work the same way in the anime, just put Lillie in Ash's place.

But I know the anime would never so. Idk. I still think a GuzmaxKukui battle would be good no matter what so Lillie(or any other MC) failing in the league against Guzma, only for Kukui to come and protect his adopted child would be interesting to see to ngl!

And PUH-LEASE, I ADORE this kinds of talk! Rambling about pokemon meta/what ifs is my favorite thing, I just dont do it more often cause I know I'm irritating :v

[jadeazora]

So, several things, no subs for this one so hopefully Some-Stuffs gets to it soon. It seems this kid behaves a bit strangely around Pokemon (even those he apparently grew up with, a bit like Lillie, from the SM anime, but not as hesitant to touch Pokemon?), and didn't have the white streaks in his hair when he was younger.

It also looks like him and the Murkrow were friends in the past, going by them sharing necklaces, but he doesn't quite remember their meeting.

[leggerefiore]

I don't think I can ever write for Ghetsis because half his dialogue is stuff that actually deeply upsets me, and I can't like him ever because of how he treated N (whom I've loved since I was like 9).

I have similar reasons for Lusamine and how she treats Lillie and Gladion, too, actually. (I know the anime fixed her or something, but how she acted in SM is forever ingrained into my mind.)

Sada and Turo can pass because they did actually love Arven even if they were shit at parenting. Giovanni for similar reasons. He does love Silver in my mind; he's just a yakuza and thus sucks at being a parent.

Every other villain is okay because they're either too funny to take seriously or just have enough backstory for me to work with.

[princess-of-the-corner]

Important Context: Lusamine in Sun and Moon was canonically, in the text of the game itself, infected with alien neurotoxins that removed her inhibitions and amplified her character flaws.

Once they were flushed from her system, she immediately stopped verbally abusing her daughter, and Lillie even took her to Kanto to try and get medical treatment from fusing with Nihilego.

Lillie does not, at any point, decide to cut Lusamine out of her life. Indeed, the final battle against Lusamine is the result of Lillie chasing her into another dimension to rescue her.

Lusamine in the anime is a loving-yet-neglectful/absent parent who Lillie somewhat resents due to said mother disregarding Lillie's own desires and feelings even as she otherwise dotes on her, with the two often butting heads. As Lusamine is a protagonist instead of an antagonist, a good chunk of her arc is based around repairing her relationships with her children. While she's still obsessed with the Ultra Beasts, it's nowhere NEAR the extent of her in-game counterpart, not until she ends up getting abducted by and fused with Nihilego, and her womanchild tendencies are cranked up to a disturbing level.

In Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, Lusamine's abuse is FAR less severe, with her being more of an overprotective control freak than anything. with her being in opposition to the player because she believes she's good enough to defeat Necrozma. She's reimagined as a well-intentioned extremist who's trying to protect Alola from the game's ACTUAL main villain: Necrozma, with the conflict mostly boiling down to Lusamine being unwilling to admit that she's in over her head. The story is FAR weaker than Sun and Moon as a result.

Ah hm.

Yeah I think I like the original SM better. That sounds fascinating.

The anime kinda sounds like an AU where Lusamine gets some fucking help for the neurotoxins before the plot kicks off, but the plot still kicks off. So we're getting a post SM personality during the events of SM. (to compare, I'm kinda seeing this like what I did with Enji in the Amnesia!Dabi AU. He gets help earlier but the plot is still happening around him.)

USUM sounds like it just went off the rails.

[merlucide]

WHAT ARE YOU???

*again I’m bored so, I’m telling u how I see u* Sharkie (oki)

a color I’ve associated with you: yellow-green #e1f7b7 (idk lol)

an animal: THOSE GOLDEN TIGERSSS OMG PLS AT FIRST I WAS LIKE MAYBE A PUPPY OR A BABY SEAL BUT LOOOK AT THEESE BABIES 😭

a food: fluffy pancakes with fresh cut fruits and a cup of cold water (yes, all of that)

a season: summer/autumn (idk I see both)

a song I associate with you: 1 2 3 (idk I hear them and I think about chu loll)

a time of the day: 12pm and 12am lol

a smell: lillies and pennies (don’t ask lmao 💀)

a taste: Yk that when you put your necklace chain in your mouth- and it tastes good- yeah that taste 👍👍 and blue raspberry

a part of nature: a hidden river in the woods that connects to the ocean. It has water lilies and those like those forbidden corn dogs growing there. Oh and tons of like wildlife live there too

a piece of clothing: a fuzzy sweater/hoodie that’s keeps you warm

an everyday object: a fork (you use them to eat and they are nice to hold and they look nice 🧍‍♀️ idk you seem like a fork to me)

a number: 26 (idk how to explain that one lol)

a word: pocket

another word: sweetener

a flower: clematis or hydrangeas

first thoughts on you: I thought you were so nice and good vibe- I love that sm like you make me laugh with ur silly prompts. Idk I just like your vibe, it makes me rlly happy. Oh and the way you word stuff too- idk why but like it makes me happy 😭😭

things I like about chu: YOU ARE SO FUNNY ISTG😭😭 ITS LIKE 1AM AND IM TRYING TO TO WAKE UP YHE WHOLE HOUSE CUS JM LAUGHING SO HARD. and ur so nice, i feel so loved and seen by u, you make your girl feel good 🫶

SO YAAAAAAAH

[polarbearcub-seven]

I gotta say that Lillie's story in Pokemon Sun and Moon anime probably has become my favorite out of all of Ash's traveling companions, yes even Iris.

I just finished the arc where Lillie, Gladion, and the rest of the Alola gang save Lusamine from Nihilego (if that's how you spell it idk) and I was very invested into the storylines. I was rooting for everyone to save Lusamine since she seems like she legitimately loves her children in the anime. It was also pretty adorable when Lillie completely got over her phobia of touching pokemon and she got down on the ground, called Snowy (her Alolan Vulpix), Pikachu, and some other pokemon and gave them all a big hug and nuzzled them. I will admit that before watching any SM, I thought Lillie was overrated and somewhat whiny, now my opinion on her has completely changed and I think she so far is one of the best written characters in the Pokemon Anime.

Side note: In the episode where Professor Kukui and Professor Burnett get married, I found it adorable when they were prounonced Husband and Wife and Lana and Mallow cheered while Jumping up and down and hugging each other. Those girls are bestie goals!! I also found it funny how dramatic Faba is while apologizing to everyone after the whole incident, so much so that when he gets demoted by Lusamine, he fully accepts his new demotion. Completely unlike his past character lol.

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