#like yes ofc you should have compassion for victims of abuse!!

[richkidcityfriends]

people who will defend tonya harding until their last breath but have no compassion for the eteri girls... wild to me 

[wingsfreedom]

I've noticed the increase of this "Hama did nothing wrong" posts in literal sense. First of all, I'd like to emphasize that nothing is wrong with fighting off the invaders indeed, especially as monstrous ones as she experienced.

That being said I understand the lebal of "terrorism" on these regimes often used to justify the current invader's system or make them look like the real victims here which is a huge gaslighting and manipulation of truths, but this was not ATLA's point -- the point is to show the depth of the corruption these regimes have on people, not to make the Fire Nation people the real victims here by victim-blaming the abused people's reaction against the abuse.

The Fire Nation imperialism was not justified here but the episode given you more reasons why this system is corrupt and should be taken down as will as the circle of war.

How to stop a cruelty without losing your own moral compass in the progress? How to stop monsters while not becoming a monster? How to put an end to this war without creating a circle? What is the difference between justice and revenge? Is it right? Is it practical?

For the final point, we already has a character from this catogary that was 'redeemed' and it's Jet. Seeking justice and fighting off the invader is cool but revenge, circle of war and taking out anger, hatred and pain on innocent people is not.

Yes, it also can be debated whether these people are "innocent" or not from Jet and Hama's perspective since they 100% support the Fire Nation regime therefore make the attack on them justified, as well as many real life people's mindset on these situations based on race or any other factors. I've seen someone claiming that "collective punishment is not immoral".

Aang's goal is to stop the Fire Nation and put it back in the line of harmony without destroying it. His goal is to bring down that oppressive regime which based on lies and extreme ideology and replace it with area of love, peace and bring back the spirituality to the Fire Nation. This is an idealistic answer which was best for everyone, the Fire Nation was never rooten, the problem was the ideology and the leadership.

Ofc post-war politics wouldn't be so simple if you kept it realistic but this was the point of the show, hopefully. Not white people who lack empathy or understanding.

Edit: I forget to mention maybe if Hama was written by native people she would've had a different portrayal indeed. I don't disagree with that.

If we're so here to redeem Iroh on his past wrongdoings, then why is a clearly traumatized Native elder considered just pure evil.

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@exmachina2014 Hi :) The thing with the Jedi is their (kinda obsessive) forbidding of emotional attachments. I see their point: an extremely Force-sensitive person could be easily swayed to lose their shit "in the name of love" - but that wouldn't be love; that's fear. And ofc, fear is the path to the Dark Side etc.

But Anakin needed his mom? They could have saved *her* too from slavery and maybe brought her to Coruscant, so her son could see her sometimes. (And maybe make him see a therapist. That would have solved a lot of issues.) Ofc for Doylistic reasons, Lucas needed Shmi to stay on Tatooine and tragically die; but on a Watsonian level, I've always been like??? Yes, the Jedi aren't politicians and they alone couldn't have bring the whole slavery system down, that was the Old Republic's job. The Republic was also corrupt and flawed, and it's interesting that the one character who sees it and criticizes it is destined to become Darth Vader, aka the Baddest Boy Ever 🤔 But that's another story.

Speaking of Anakin, what you said is interesting. IMHO he was very aware of the prophecy and of his own capabilities. As a Jedi, he wanted more, always more; not in a greedy way, but because that's how he could feel... fully realized, maybe. I've always seen him as a character who, while never narcissist, is also very self-centered, a victim of hubris (indeed, he is a tragic hero), *and* deeply concerned about his own flaws and failures. He's always afraid because he knows how fallible he is. The real issue is... he should have never been forced to choose between the Jedi and Padmé. He should have been given the choice of being both a Jedi and a husband.

Han as Rey and Finn's "adoptive father"? They had known him for two days at best, but go off, I guess 😂 They also like to forget that not only Han sacrificed himself for his son, but that he forgave Ben the instant he killed him. It's in the TFA Junior novelization, it's not a Reylo conspiracy lmao. Leia, too, always wanted to bring him home. And ofc "the deed split your spirit to the bone" - Ben wasn't stronger for it, but only more miserable. He deeply regretted it.

The OOCness of Anakin hating his own grandson... Are you kidding me? Anakin would understand him better than anyone else, you imbeciles. He knows what it means to be manipulated and abused, to have killed a loved one (I mean, he *almost* killed Padmé, and for years Palps successfully convinced him that he had; he also killed Obi-Wan, who was a father/brother figure for him, and basically raised him), to not be Pure™ and go down a dark path. Actually, one of the most glaring failures of the ST is that we never see Anakin's ghost visit his grandson. Ben needed it *so much*. Leia and Luke, of course, couldn't know why exactly Anakin turned to the Dark Side and became Vader - Leia especially, I imagine she had a *lot* of unresolved issues with her biological father. (All of this could have been solved had Anakin survived to explain what happened to him, to repent for his deeds... I mean, he was only 45 when he died. God, his life sucked.) Instead, where the fuck he was? Cheerleading for his abuser's granddaughter from the Other Side while *his* grandson was thrown into a pit, I guess 🙄😂😂 (sorry, this is all so ridiculous)

Lol, the funny thing is when people on this site approach kids media as they would a work for "adults". SW is meant to be a space fairytale where love and compassion always triumph, no "literal N*zis" here 😂 You're no Woker for consuming Pure media, Janet, also because it's very likely that those media are not even that Woke in the first place (like the MCU and HP).

not hating the Jedi out of pure contrarian spite as well as being a ReyloTM forces me into this odd niche where i just shake my head at all sides for having very ice cold takes in most things star wars