#like how steddie is a more popular ship than ronance in the st fandom by FAR

[thelilylav]

ok so i’ve been re blogging a lot abt first kill getting cancelled and how it relates to heartstopper and i just wanna mention something that ppl who r defending heartstopper rn don’t seem to be acknowledging which is that yes, the show has wlw rep and the comic did too but i feel like it’s important to point out that in the comic darcy and tara we’re featured MUCH less than nick and charlie (which makes sense in context bc the format alice ose man was working w didn’t rlly allow for the same kind of pacing the netflix show had, but don’t try to act like darcy and tara weren’t heavily sidelined throughout the whole thing - getting minor plots at best when they got any attention at all) and that people are comparing the two specifically because they came out only a few months apart and first kill had way less traction (even without considering that it was competing against mf stranger things and the umbrella academy, heartstopper had the benefit of being adapted of an already well known comic that was guaranteed to bring viewers in and had a major advantage - and STILL got outperformed by first kill) and the point is really this: heartstopper has really, really good rep and it’s important and i like it i genuinely do but there is a constant pattern of sapphic media being shoved to the sidelines while mlm media gets to flourish under fetishization (WHICH IS ALSO A PROBLEM BUT AGAIN NOT THE POINT RN) and wlw people are t i r e d of seeing our shit constantly sidelined and being told that it wasn’t important in the first place. you can probably quote several pieces of mlm media right now that center around the main characters just getting to discover themselves and explore their sexuality that’s been franchised to death but sapphics don’t have that luxury. i’m not that old and i remember watching everything sucks for the first time and crying when i saw someone like me on a screen for the first time and i remember how heartbroken i was and that has happened so many fucking times since and sapphic people are tired of our rep getting thrown down the fucking drain time and time again and it’s not a coincidence anymore, it’s because these shows don’t center around white cis men and it’s an attack and we have a right to be pissed so i don’t want to hear it

[antisociallilbrat]

What Polyamory Does For The It Fandom VS In The St Fandom.

These are some brain worms I've had for a while and I've decided to share, regardless if it makes some people mad. Although that is truly not the intent of this post. Anyways. If you haven't been in the It fandom and only have stayed in the St fandom this post may not make sense but I do encourage you to read it.

I joined the It fandom in 2017. I'm one of those few people who were in the It fandom first before moving over to also join the St fandom in late late 2017/early 2018. I had a blog for consuming content but I didn't start making content until 2020 for the It fandom and more recently and regularly for the St fandom. Anywho what I'm trying to say is that I've seen a lot.

I loved many ships in the It fandom and one of the main ships is Poly Losers Club. This is the first fandom I've seen where a poly ship was one of the more popular ones. Even if someone didn't ship all the Losers, throuple and quatrouples (is that how you say it?) have always been popular in this fandom.

Because it is almost unanimously agreed across the fandom, that whether platonically or romantically, all the Losers love each other. Even the most die hard of reddie shippers, the fandom's most popular ship, can often agree on certain fanon headcannons, Stan and Richie practiced their first kiss on each other, Eddie's first crush was on poor oblivious Bill. And that comes back to the agreement that all the Losers love each other. Ships in this fandom have never had an issue coexisting. If someone shipped something different from someone it was always more like "oh that's not my favorite but I definitely see where you're coming from'" OR they're like "yeah no they're in love too," Hardly ever any belittling or any superiority complexes.

That's what makes being in this fandom fun and easy.

Poly Losers even often features a gay man and a women and I've read many beautiful fics where this is explained as they're more best friends than lovers but Eddie doesn't love Bev any less because she's a woman. This fandom allows Eddie and Bev to have an amazing and emotionally intimate relationship because I feel like this fandom does understand, for the most part, that platonic love is just as important as romantic love.

Now on to the St fandom. There are some poly party shippers out there but they are far and few. And there is SO MUCH shipping discourse. Yes I could talk about Mileven and Byler but come on, it goes beyond that. It's with Jany and Stancy, Ronance and Rockie. Elmax and Lumax, and Steddie and Stonathan. Just about every ship you think of there is an alternate ship that people will fight for. They will belittle you for shipping something they don't, and insist that your ship is nothing but platonic. That,,,that just doesn't happen in the It fandom. You know the joke, "All the Losers had a crush on Bill at one point," I think that in itself says a lot. Bill, the arguably least liked character, (my poor bb), has the joke that all the losers had a crush on him at one point.

I'm getting off track. Anyways I'm not saying that shipping everyone together in a poly sense would fix everything with these shipping wars but i do believe why there was never any shipping wars in the It fandom was because of Poly Losers. Also when I talk about poly in St I mean it like Poly Party and Poly teenage crew. Not together, I hate that I have to clarify that.

In the St fandom, it's just not as universally agreed that everyone loves each other, even in the basic platonic sense. All anyone seems to care about in the St fandom is romantic love. A lot of shippers want to be right, they want to prove that their ship will be cannon which just,,,sucks the fun right out fandom spaces.

Canon, fanon, why can't people just make cute fan art and talk in babbles about thoughts they have on a ship. Why do you have to be right about what's going to be the canon ship? Why do certain people feel the need to put down and even to the extent as far as bullying people who ship something different? I've never seen a fandom so focused on 'canon pairings' like the st fandom. (Side note I was never in the sherlock and supernatural fandoms, I knew to mention this)

The party, like the losers, are friends who have been through turmoil that have bound them together for a lifetime. I don't care what pairing you give me from st, whether it be a platonic or a romantic one, I will tell you that those characters deeply care for each other.

Side note: it's worth a mention that the Duffer brothers originally wanted to film the It remake and when they didn't get it, we got Stranger Things. It can be argued that the Party is based off the Losers club so you know what that means? THEY ALL LOVE EACH OTHER. Take it as platonic or romantic idc.

Again, I don't think that poly party is the answer to ending the shipping wars. I do think however that if people could remember how much the party members mean to each other, that that could make less tiring fandom spaces.

Okay I'm done. I just thought this was an interesting point on how it's been like in the It fandom vs the St fandom.

Wait I was doing tags and I forgot to mention that there are few people who ship Elumax and Stoncy, two throuples and kudos to them. They're just worth a mention, I didn't forget about ya'll