#legacies 4x14

[hizzieheadquarters]

[canonicallyobserving911]

Captain Robert "Bobby" Nash - 7x8

Unpopular opinion: Bobby's 7x8 storyline should have been included in season 6!

IMO, Bobby's 7x8 storyline should have been done in season 6 instead of that mess they did with Wendell. Until 6x9 aired, NO ONE had ever heard of Wendell. He was made up and to prove it, in season 1, Bobby used to talk to his priest for counseling but the audience never saw or heard of Wendell until he just showed up and was supposed to have a long-lasting friendship with all of the Grant-Nash family. May even knew who he was but the audience didn't. It appears he was created out of thin air and used as a connection device for Buck's death in 6x10.

In 7x8 the audience finally got to see snippets from Bobby's past including his childhood but the issue for me was Bobby mentioned he was from a legacy of firefighters in season 5 but REMINDER, Bobby hadn't had a storyline all his own since season 2. Every storyline he had after 2x16 "Bobby Begins Again" involved his wife Athena (rightfully so), Michael, Buck, his stepchildren May and Harry and the 118. Even his 4x13 and 4x14 storylines were about the issues in his marriage with Athena before he got shot by Ethan Copeland. In season 5 he saved May in the dispatch fire in 5x16 and he punched Jonah in 5x17 but that was AFTER Jonah adult napped Hen and Chimney.

My point is Bobby's storyline would have gone over a lot better if it had been included in season 6 and IMO, it would have been a better narrative point to connect with Buck's 6x10 storyline. Bobby's biological father died while Bobby was at home with him and he idolized his dad because in his eyes, his dad couldn't do any wrong. The details included in 6x11 for Buck would have been more impactful and emotional if they had been related to Bobby's past relationship with his own father instead of the show trying to redeem the Buckley parents without giving them a proper redemption arc.

No one knew anything about Bobby's past childhood until 7x8 and that's ridiculous especially since Bobby spent years without a storyline all his own.

Also, Malcolm-Jamal Warner is an A-LIST actor but he's only going to be in three episodes. But they keep bringing these non-acting people back who scare the audience with their joker-like smile because they don't know how to deliver a line from a script (EG).

[imminent-danger-came]

What kind of harbinger of chaos do you think MK is?

Chaos as in destruction, disorder, pain and mayhem?

Or Chaos as in Nothing? The end of all things.

Maybe one after the other

(also random thought I dunno what to do with and is probably just coincidence, but maybe you want to put it in your backpocket: small broken monkey statue with half it‘s face missing, Azure disintegrating with half his face missing)

Based off of the lines:

Curse MK: "We’re just like Wukong. A fraud! A trickster! Destructive! Why would our legacy be any different? Actually, no no- the chaos and destruction we’ll bring upon the world will make Wukong’s past look like nothing." (4x07 Pitiful Creatures)

and

Peng: "Oh, I don't know! A little bit of chaos might be good for the world!" (4x12 The Plan Man)

and

Hooded Figure: "There will of course be an inquiry into how the scroll of memory was stolen in the first place, and what is to be done now that the Jade Emperor has been dethroned. The universe is perilously close to tipping into chaos. If it comes to light that any of this party were involved, you can believe the consequences will be dire—but only a fraction of the price compared to what shall come to pass should you succeed." (4x14 Better Than We Found It)

My guess is the full blown chaos route. Destruction and disorder and mayhem baby! Chaos for chaos' sake! There's no pain or stakes if you just don't care, do whatever! Let whatever happen! Do whatever you want! Embrace it! ("Wukong does whatever he wants!" ; "Wukong was on a path of self-destruction, we all were." ; "No, this isn't what I wanted!")

And you might be onto something anon! The destruction of one eye/half of the face does tend to show up from time to time:

Bonus one-eye MK shot that frightens me every time I look at it:

[shinelikethunder]

fully romantic incest bros kissing and riding off into the sunset isn't something i'd REMOTELY trust the show with, or even necessarily want onscreen - way better off, IMO, as the domain of internet weirdos' infinitely varied fever dreams. hell, most of my romance-adjacent itches were amply scratched by the show's many twists and turns of unhinged quasi-platonic devotion. HOWEVER. i do think later showrunners were cowards for backing off from the deranged early-seasons erotic vibes instead of seeing how far they could push that envelope. make the actors kiss with tongue on some plot-device technicality, goddammit! truly an insult to the legacy of 1x06 skin, 2x11 playthings, 4x14 sex & violence, etc to be airing in the Game of Thrones TV Era��� and NOT come up with a single dubious pretext for the Brothers Winchester to trip and fall onto each other's dicks.

so i guess my final answer is "keep the Gencest Platonic Brother-Marriage endgame we got, but if i got a free wish about it i'd sprinkle in some overtly sexual weirdcest now and then for kicks." not sexual as in They're Fucking (ongoing) but sexual as in They've Fucked (rituals got too intricate), with room for ambiguity about motives / the role of plot ~Reasons in nudging the latent eroticism into physical action. like idk that i'd want them banging on the regular in canon? but i do think the show 100% would've been improved by coming up with a few bizarro one-off ways to Go There - if only for the pure chaos it would've unleashed on the internet.

Since it came up in another post:

[landonmikaelson]

Every time I lose someone, this voice in my head, it tells me, "it's your fault."

[winnie-the-monster]

"You're a lair and a martyr and you're never gonna save the people that you love because you're just not strong enough."

😭💔 damn did she really have to go that hard.

[peeta-mellark]

Hope 4x14 // only my 3rd day out here.

[bittersweetremains]

[blackcinderella1]

BTS of Legacies 4x14 “The Only Way Out is Through”

[hibiscxs]

Obviously someone needed to call Hope out on treating everyone like canon fodder, but it should have been someone like Wade, who’s probably the least selfish in the Squad; or Cleo, because she’s kind of the best; or Jed, because he understands leadership since he’s the pack alpha.

But the guy who traded his friend to the enemy and put the whole world in danger to save the girl he loves but hasn’t made any real amends has no ground to stand on whatsoever telling the girl who went through her worst nightmare and killed her boyfriend to save the world that she only cares about herself

[ktb90s]

I want so much more from them.

Can you imagine if Aurora, Hope, Lizzie, Jen, and Josie were all on the same team? They could make this weird but awesome coven. You got a Goddess, a Tribrid, a Heretic, a Siphoner (two technically), an old ass Vampire noblewoman.

The awesomeness and the shenanigans we would have with their respective powers and personalities. Tacos & Brownies for everyone!!

[suvarnarekha]

campfire 2.0~ bomb. i’d have loved some touching but honestly these emotional connectivity talks, cute nervousness and hesitation is something i can watch for hours without getting bored. jed’s character dynamic grew tenfold already and hopefully ben gets the arc justice he deserves.

[imminent-danger-came]

Okay, with the potential idea that MK is a sacrificial lamb and with the whole chaos cult and with the fact that the world matters than one life...

MK being tricked into believing that he's the problem, only him giving up causes the world to end.

Sun Wukong: “Just believe in yourself! Even a smidge makes all the difference.” (1x00 A Hero is Born)

MK: "Yeah well..I'm kinda always the one getting the world in trouble to begin with sooo..." (4x01 Familiar Tales)

Curse MK: "We’re just like Wukong. A fraud! A trickster! Destructive! Why would our legacy be any different? Actually, no no- the chaos and destruction we’ll bring upon the world will make Wukong’s past look like nothing." (4x07 Pitiful Creatures)

MK: “No matter what I do, it’s going to lead to pain. It’s like the Lady Bone Demon said—it doesn’t matter if I want to help people or not! Everything I do just- it just makes things worse!” (4x08 The Brotherhood)

Hooded Figure: "There will of course be an inquiry into how the scroll of memory was stolen in the first place, and what is to be done now that the Jade Emperor has been dethroned. The universe is perilously close to tipping into chaos. If it comes to light that any of this party were involved, you can believe the consequences will be dire—but only a fraction of the price compared to what shall come to pass should you succeed." (4x14 Better Than We Found It)

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We're like, already almost there

[isagrimorie]

[initial reactions]

The hilarity of a vampire explaining the Old Ways of Vampirism to Hope, progeny of the Original vampires is amazing. The only thing that could top this if someone explained the Old Ways of vampirism to Rebekah.

Also excellent use of Aurora. She's a good mirror/parallel now to Hope and Lizzie. In The Originals she wasn't as effective villain to me even though she did destroy an inordinate amount of lives-- Cami being the biggest example.

t would have been a sweeter parallel to Rebekah and Aurora if Lizzie was the first of Hope's sire line. Unfortunately, Henry was Hope's first sired and all the other hybrids Klaus sired to Hope in season 5.

Hope has her own sire line even before she activated her vampire side.

Hope claiming not to care and letting Lizzie go because Lizzie supposedly failed her test and yet still saving Lizzie because she asked. That humanity off switch is beginning to fail you.

Plus, Lizzie using the same words Hope used in season 1 when compelling about grief.

If I were to write a Hope/Lizzie and if this show will go there --(I ship it, I just don't trust the showrunner), I don't think Hope has feelings for Lizzie yet, beyond just because she has her Humanity off. It's because previous to turning off her Humanity her whole romantic focus has been Landon.

It would be interesting if switching off her humanity is the key for Hope to really get over Landon. She will always love him, but her love would be more of a platonic nature.

And would be interesting if Hope spending time with Lizzie, bonding with Lizzie is how her feelings for Lizzie change.

Interesting too that all of Lizzie's wish for a grand romantic love is being fulfilled one by one by Hope.

re: Sirebond, I saw the interview Brett Matthews gave about it and he mentioned how Hope's sire bond is different from the TVD version. Thank God. I ship Hope and Lizzie but I don't want the stain of what happened to Elena happen to Lizzie and it really looks like it's not happening to her that way.

Because Lizzie still did what she wanted, search for the little girl's sister despite this was against Hope's orders.

FINALLY MORE BLOOD SPATTER. Is it weird I missed the ultra violent blood spatter of the Originals and TVD Vampires?

--

Speaking of Cleo, she really should be the leader of the Squad now, so far she's been the most effective one so far even though it took a huge toll. It would be interesting to see how Cleo adapts to not being a muse anymore, I wonder if this will activate any other power in her?

Gods as the new enemy are actually an interesting and logical enemy that supernatural shows tend to go too. More interesting than a pile of mud, I'll tell you that much.

[doyelikehaggis]

That episode of Legacies gave me some Feelings.

• I adore the Aurora/Lizzie team-up and their whole almost goodbye moment was?? quite sweet?? and also I would love to see, when everything calms down, just a nice cozy girls night between them and Jen.

• Hope’s breakdown when all the lights were flickering and she was crying while telling them to put her down broke my heart. Felt a bit like Lizzie telling Hope and Josie to kill her when she was possessed. but also the way that NONE of them were willing to do it?? Kaleb was nearly crying himself and he moved like he MIGHT do something but he looked so scared for HER rather than for any of them. that was a good moment honestly.

• I don’t like that one person is definitely going to die in the best case scenario. The only character I am willing to sacrifice is Alaric. If it’s anyone else? I’m gonna be heartbroken. And MG and Ethan promising that no matter what it won’t be Lizzie makes me think that something is going to go very wrong and one of them (possibly Ethan) is going to have to break that promise to save the other. Maybe if that happens, Alaric will jump in at the last minute and stop Lizzie from dying? It’s probably going to end up being Jed so that Ben can be all vengeful, or it’s going to be MG or Ethan in order to protect Lizzie.

• Ben and Jed are as sweet as always. I really like their little talks by the fire, it’s nice. They DO make each other better people. (Not that there was much wrong with either of them to begin with.)

• MIKAELSONS. THEY’RE COMING.

[winnie-the-monster]

Landon: "Okay I'll do it."