#laura neal wtf??!
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sabypoo Ā· 2 years ago
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"The good news is...[picture of the kiss]. The bad news is...everything else" S.U., thanks for the summary.
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thestarlightforge Ā· 1 year ago
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Little rage update to this because I found one of the articles again:
Imagine being so out of touch with your own production, you think Villanelle is happiest when murdering people.
As if she didnā€™t give a WHOLE MONOLOGUE about how she used to kill in a desperate attempt to find any sensation at all. As if she didnā€™t come out of that darkness through finally processing some of her trauma & building this relationship with Eve during S1-3.
As if that whole S3 finale never happened: The conversation with Carolyn, begging her to see value in anything besides her ability to kill, and despair when Carolyn refuses. The cracks in her voice while they dance as it finally hits her, all the people sheā€™s killed, and she doesnā€™t want to kill anymore, but she steels herself & puts on one last show to kill the woman whoā€™s after Eve bc she finally trusts Eve enough to start to be vulnerable & let her in & trust that sheā€™ll still be there & not find her monstrous or disgusting when she gets back; the grimace as she leans into Eve on the bridge, letting her go bc itā€™s the selfless-love thing to do.
Villanelle didnā€™t send Eve up to distract the partiers because sheā€™s happiest when killing people. (She wanted to be a goddamn interior decorator šŸ˜­ Iā€™m begging yā€™all to LISTENNN.) That hasnā€™t been the case since season ONE, and that wasnā€™t even the FULL STORY back THEN. She sent her up there because she has processed her shit & she knows how horrible and irreversible it is to kill somebody. But she knew the Twelve had to dieā€”for Eveā€™s sanity, Villanelleā€™s freedom & for them to have any chance at a free life together. So she saved Eve from that burden. Let her feel like she helped by dancing it out at a wedding, shining her light. Steeled herself, just like in S3, and got the job done.
Bc did yā€™all see her relief when she got back to Eve on the bridge? When it was over? The troubled expression as she watched Eve walk into the wedding? How the only time she smiled was when she came out of the kitchen to listen to Eve give her officiant speech about their relationship, and then she disappeared againā€”just grimacing during the killing (which was a 1 vs 12 fight without Eve btw, so ofc she couldnā€™t be clean about it)? Did you see the desperately sad way she kissed Eve at the bottom of the stairs before she sent her off, knowing what she was about to have to put herself through and wanting to soak in that goodness, to remind herself sheā€™s loved somewhere before she went in and did that? How her whole body shakes after the last killing & she only smiles again once the weapon drops from her handā€”as she realizes that might be the last time she ever has to do this?
Eve and Villanelle went in opposite, parallel directions over the course of the show, crashing into/embracing each other to finally find that balance and understanding. And hilariously (in the context of Nealā€™s comments), that journey means if anything, EVE is the one who ā€œenjoys killingā€ at this point šŸ˜‚ NOT Villanelle.
I literally donā€™t understand how any reasonable person even could come to the conclusions Laura Neal did in good faith, much less the goddamn show-runner. But then, she didnā€™t do it in good faith, did she. She sent the mentally ill queer woman on a quest to purify herself of sin through JESUS for 80% of a season & then SHOT her & threw her in the THAMES, the site of Eveā€™s acceptance in S3, so that Eve, as the formerly ā€œstraightā€ woman who was in love with her, could have the ā€œreliefā€ of getting her ā€œNORMAL LIFEā€ backā€”
Iā€™Mā€”
How long am I gonna be explaining to people, I wonder:
Villanelle is a compelling and relatable characterā€”and so similar to Catraā€”& her relationship with Eve heart wrenching to watch because she turned herself into a weapon at a young age so no one could hurt her anymore? (And Catra and Villanelle are both power bottoms, and no, thatā€™s not a jokeā€”itā€™s character info.)
Itā€™s why her backstory episode with her mom in S3, and the final shot of her crying on the train, are so perfect, for all peopleā€™s complaints about S3. And then she grew and changed. And Eve came back. And she let someone hurt her. She let someone in.
Because no, most people donā€™t have mental health scarring to the degree that Villanelle has. (A lot of thatā€”the spy stuff, the Twelveā€”can be read as a way to personify a general sense of governmental repression anyway.) But thereā€™s something very real about being a soft-hearted person who forced yourself to become a survivor, scrapping from day to day to find any reason to live, and then finally finding someone who understands you and doesnā€™t want to hurt you.
And for Eve, it was compelling because she was closeted. All the trappings of her old lifeā€”from Nico and their flat full of chickens, to her desk jobā€”were symbolic of repressive, misogynistic, comp-het culture as a whole. Villanelle represented burning all of it down: rebellion, anarchy, honesty, freedom.
And it is absolute crapā€”not to mention WILDLY homophobicā€”that it would be anything RESEMBLING a ā€œreliefā€ for her to lose that freedom; to say her queerness and desire for more were a phase, and sheā€™d be happier going back into repression.
Itā€™s crap. And itā€™s one of the many reasons I have to be a writer.
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rorykillmore Ā· 21 days ago
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my ideal scenario at this point is that laura neal working on that harry potter show causes some kind of fresh controversy to come out about her, and the people who work on killing eve are prompted to finally come out and say wtf happened
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sazernac Ā· 3 years ago
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The whole point to both the show and the books was Eve and Villanelle.
Not Eve or Villanelleā€¦
Not Eve without Villanelle
It was always about themā€¦togetherā€¦from the very beginning.
It was them, making their way to each other, despite the oddsā€¦
Despite the realityā€¦
It was always Eve and Villanelle.
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catlovinglou Ā· 3 years ago
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I will never get over the fact that Laura Neal and other writers made the deliberate choice to kill off Villanelle when both Eve and V live and have a happy ending in the books. It outrages me more than anything else. They based a whole show off of a book series and sure it's fine to change some things but not the fucking ending?! The whole show was about Eve and Villanelle not being able to live without one another and they both went through so much character development. Eve embraced her darkness and V her vulnerablity and soft side. They are finally on one wavelength in season 4. And Laura Neal has the audacity to say Eve lived happily ever after now that V is dead and it's apparently such a relief to her?! Just homophobic. No matter how the writers try to defend it it definitely plays into the 'Bury Your Gays' trope.
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loving-villanelle Ā· 3 years ago
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LN said Eve gets to go on and live her life with all the things Villanelle gave her. What exactly was Villanelle able to give Eve WHEN YOU KEPT THEM APART ALL DAMN SEASON LAURA
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snakecat Ā· 3 years ago
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me waking up at 3 AM in a cold sweat: WAS IT THE BILL THING??????
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yuudarkspirit Ā· 3 years ago
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What exactly they killed?
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I won't talk much about the ending. I can speak for myself that I am dissapointed in many ways, to be honest.
I really wanted to create something beautiful after the finale episode, but Iā€™m too emotional because of so many things happened. And here I am right now...
Change the word "Pain" to "Love Story" and there will be Laura Nealā€™s perspective. Bruh...
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nightsh6de Ā· 5 years ago
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I CANā€™T EVEN DESCRIBE THE FEELING THAT I GET JUST THINKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHATā€™LL HAPPEN BETWEEN EVE & VILLANELLE IN THE FINALE LIKE WTF Iā€™M FULLY ASCENDING
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uservillanelle Ā· 3 years ago
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Laura Neal said the dance floor scene in season 3 was the moment villaneve worked out they wonā€™t work as a couple WTF?!
For a second here I thought you meant the dance scene in S4, which was nothing new, but VILLANEVE DANCE SCENE IN S3??? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean, sure, there were the lines of "We would consume each other before we got old"; "But it sounds kind of nice" BUT they showed all the potential they had in 4x08 so once more LN is contradicting what they clearly showed in the show. At this point she is the only one who doesn't want them together, but that doesn't mean she has to continuously ruin our image of our ship. It's show's over, it's over, there is ZERO need to keep pouring the salt on the wound. But of course this one has to keep going and keep us all talking since it's her last job as a writer for a long time lmao.
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http-posiekid9 Ā· 3 years ago
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I am so disappointed. I can't even enjoy the new promo photos of the wild because I am so sad about the ending.
On what earth did Laura neal think that the fans of the show were going to enjoy this ending! So many things didn't make sense!
I sort of had a feeling that one of them was gonna die, but like wtf? Why did Carolyn have villanelle killed? Why did they have to kill her off just as she was about to have a happy ending with Eve?
And what she said about Eve having a "rebirth" once she came up for air is bullshit!
I don't think I have ever or will be this disappointed for a tv show
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swearronchanel Ā· 6 years ago
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7.09šŸŽ„šŸŒŸ
Comments on the Call The Midwife Christmas special! *proceed with caution*Ā 
Here we gooo
aw Lucille hey
Thatā€™s a cute baby šŸ˜­
You right Jenny Lee, if only I had a damn map of life lmao
SPACE ELVES LMAO
Reggie!!! My harrrt
That paint probably is pure lead sjskks
Viā€™s hair is rough
LMAO who is this old woman she is annoying already
go home shelgah is the new go home roger (if you know you know!! Lol from the show Sister, Sister)
ROCKIN AROUNDDDD THE CHRISTMAS TREEE
new car in this bitchhh
shealghā€™s yellow scarf and coat is cute af
AW TEDDY
TRIXIE MY QUEEN!! SHSJKS SHE HAS RETURNED THE SHOW CAN GO ON
!!! THAT WILL BE ME IN 12 DAYS ARRIVING IN LONDON !!!!
the babs pic :(
their tree thošŸ˜
Sister MJ annoyed to have to walk is a big mood
ā€œour work is hereā€ wow this is sad already
Phyllis already knows thereā€™s something sus going on
ā€œThey gonna see everything you gotā€ LMFAO LUCILLE
THE QUEEN OF POPLAR IS HOME
wow just kidding šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚
omg the Asian babies are so adorable
but what is up grandma from Balto
NOTHING TO DECLARE BUT MY ANNOYANCE LMFAO OK ME AGAIN AT THE UK CUSTOMS
mama bear phyllisšŸ˜­šŸ˜­
sister MJ is like listen Iā€™m the sweets and candy queen here back up
HERE SHE IS
BEATRIX IS HOMEšŸ’–šŸ’–
PUCCI?! HONEY GOT SHMONEYYY
omfg my heart MAMA PHYLLIS BATHING THEM
babs sweater omg šŸ˜¢ Iā€™m crying already
Phyllis omg stop Fuck my heart
PATSY AND DELIA IN SCOTLAND
GARBO OMG LIKE GRETA GARBO she was famous and famously gay I see what they did there najsksk amazing
SISTER MJ FAKING AGAIN LMAOO??
oh shit morphine maybe not faking then lol that can f*ck u up šŸ˜‚
Fred our pure ridiculous angel
Omg stop sister MJ šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ when she dies itā€™s over man
Didnā€™t think the mother house would be by the beach/sea
My mom just made a funny ass remark but Ā itā€™s kinda mean I shant say
OH SHIT SHES GONNA CRASH
who is that woman tho?
LMAO sister Mildred is like sister E Iā€™m kinda vibing with it šŸ˜‚ but if she comes for Phyllis then I will have a problem
Sister J just SNAPPED šŸ’€ she is not leaving poplar and thatā€™s that !!
Omg this kid looks like my little cousin
My gal is already back at work!! grinding all day letā€™s get this bread
Ok I feel their annoyance but itā€™s true hospitals have a lot of upsides
like number one there are doctors there lmao
oh nošŸ˜­šŸ˜­ why is the kid left alone? thatā€™s not fair šŸ˜­
YOUā€™D GO UP LIKE A BOMB FIRE SJSKKS VI IS RIGHT
Aw the little angels (lowkey reminds me of the best Christmas pageant ever LMAO again if u know, u know)
Trixā€™s coat!! A damn look
A damn BELL?? holy sh*t this convent is like a prison
sorry @ God but I would never
Fred wants to gather the orphans gifts omfg he is SOFT <3
Aw Mother Jesu (but also I donā€™t know what I imagined her as but this lady isnā€™t it)
Sister J will not go bc we would riot
*throws to ground* I felt that
APPALLING MUSIC LMAO SHELAGH ITā€™S CALLED HAVING TASTE
itā€™s prob the stones I bet
Lucille looks so CUTE love the fit
Lucille and sister MJ together is always a sweet moment
The Turnerā€™s new car is fire I love the color
Shelaghā€™s pink scarf is cute too, she got the whole rainbow. She has to make up for all the lost years of not being able to dress lol
ok but I have to say the three shades Ā of pink is bothering me, looking like a Scottish pepto bottle (or peppa pigšŸ˜‚)
AW FETUS SHELAGH/SISTER B
šŸ“¢šŸ“¢šŸ“¢ just bc she wants it doesnā€™t mean itā€™s right šŸ“¢šŸ“¢šŸ“¢
Another Mavis wow can they stop recycling names already Lmaoo sheesh itā€™s not that hard
throw a Gabby in the mix, or matter of fact cast me (imagine LMAO)
This is so sad omg, the little girl watching the others be adopted I canā€™t šŸ˜­šŸ˜­
Ok sister winnie we see u with some vocals!
Oh shit TB yikess
ā€œSometimes love is not enoughā€ ouch that shit ā€˜hurtedā€™ :(
Oo k trixie šŸ˜ we see u
sweetie was in Paris Yass as she should (but lol love how they ignore the fact she left bc she relapsed)
PHOTOGRAPHIC NEGATIVE LMFAO VALERIE STOP
trixie running in her dress and stockings I canā€™t lmaoo but we love a fashionable midwife but imagine how gross her feet will be through those sheer nylons
not at all relevant but I remember tipsy-ly walking around the Brooklyn bridge barefoot after my hs prom and my feet looked like charcoal after šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ˜‚
SHEā€™S PUSHING STANDING UP???
My sister in law is cringing bc sheā€™s currently 7 months pregnant and is imagining giving birth outside on the street
the Beverly sisters with rubber gloves šŸ˜‚
Well that dress is ruined trixie šŸ˜‚
How do they make those umbilical cords look so real?
the Barbara name tagšŸ˜­
ā€œItā€™s only a dress...ā€ character growth ok, Beatrix has grown up šŸ˜¢
I keep saying but I really canā€™t if shelagh adopts May
What is up with this pregnant lady who spooks like a dear?? (My sister in law said that lol)
no way she remembers something from 2 years old
SHELAGH IN BLUE SLACKS?? YES A LOOK Ā OK
Glad she finally is in pants tho lol, serving Laura Petrie looks
šŸ“¢šŸ“¢Everyone has a story.. šŸ“¢šŸ“¢
My mom just said she wants those vintage tree icicles šŸ˜‚
Itā€™s been real sister W but bye bye
LMAO WAIT SHE SNAPPED
I remember reading that she was leaving so Iā€™m not surprised
ā€œI feel called to stay here and I donā€™t care whoā€™s calling meā€ OK SIS !!! šŸ“¢ TELL EM
ā€œIs your knocked elastic gone?ā€LMFAO aka donā€™t get your panties in a twistttt
A donkey Iā€™m weakkkk
Patrick gave him Timā€™s tree aww
LMAO Tim is pissed
This damn donkey lmaoo this is funny
ofc he likes candyšŸ˜‚
Shelagh and Sister J delivering a baby! This is pure
They said clever girl so take a shot
Another boy today!
LMFAO FRED AND REGGIE SCHEMING
Itā€™ll be crazy fr if shelagh takes this little girl home, sheā€™s already got two kids she doesnā€™t watch šŸ˜‚
Iā€™m triggered when I watch elections, takes me back to that horrible day in 2016..
Shelagh and sister J on the beach <3
BURGUNDY SLACKS YAS SHELAGH shawty got 2 pairssss
SECRET CIGS LMFAO OMG I LOVE THISSSS
Patrick can mind his damn business ok
Theyā€™re bonding over smoking and I love IT
THE INTENSE ASS MUSIC
IM NERVOUS WTF
SISTER JULIENNE CRYING OMG MY HEARR
SISTER MILDRED TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM THANK U LORDT
BEATRIX SERVING 60s DREAM LOOKS šŸ˜ why doesnā€™t my hair look like that?
Iā€™m also lowkey sad at the lack of Phyllis in this ep
ANGELA SPOKE HOLY SHIT ITā€™S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE
THEY FOUND BILLY OMFG ANOTHER CHRISTMAS MIRACLE
ā€œYou come home with meā€ BYE MY EYES ARE SWEATING
Trixie looks so damn good & her hug with sister Winnie was cute
the Turnerā€™s are now that family in ā€œin takes twoā€ who they say collected kids šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚
This is so cute but I canā€™t believe it!! And then their were 5 Turnerā€™s!
Neal as one of the 3 kings I am a mess
Vanessa Redgrave PLS chill I canā€™t Iā€™m shedding caucasian tears šŸ˜­šŸ˜­
LUCILLE HAS A BOYFRIEND??
OMG NO SHE BROUGHT THE CHURCH šŸ„°šŸ„°šŸ„°
Val is also serving a look!
STOP NOW IM CRYING FR FR
HARK THE HERALD ANGELS SINGGGGGG
I LOVE THE CHOIR UGHH
EVEN PHYLLIS SINGING <3
ā€œwe share the shift from darkness into light..ā€ šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ā¤ļøā¤ļø UGH MY HEART
That was so good I canā€™t wait to be able to watch season 8 in real time next month in LONDON!!
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dayyneee Ā· 3 years ago
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Not my dad approving of the Killing Eve finale and basically agreeing with Laura Neal. Heā€™s so lost wtf
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villaneve-bridge Ā· 5 years ago
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ā€˜We have talked about this for a long timeā€™ GIRL.... Wtf. Yā€™all are quick to make decisions about everything else involving the plot lines and swapping showrunners but god forbid we have eve get a consistent and nicely written storyline with POC helping to make that happen behind the scenes. Ik the showrunner swapping isnā€™t on her but still. This doesnā€™t just fall on her but everyone. Iā€™m tired of them saying ā€˜we know this is important, weā€™ve talked about itā€™ THEN DOOO SOMETHING
From my understanding showrunners do pick their writers most of the time from my understanding so it her Suzannes fault in that just like it is Laura Neal for S4. Listen Suzanne had one mission this season and it was about Vā€™s family and other storylines. Not the Eve and V relationship until the end.
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loving-villanelle Ā· 3 years ago
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I still canā€™t get over the ā€œVillaneve just wouldnā€™t workā€ statement. Because no matter how much I keep twisting it in my head I canā€™t find any reason why (other than Laura Neal being homophobic, terribly heteronormative or with no understanding of love and relationships).
Bc they are bad for each other? No they are not, not anymore. We saw the forgiveness, acceptance and equality already. If something, they make each other better now.
Bc Villanelle is a bad bad murderer? Well, so is Eve. They are both messy and they love it. Villanelle is not the reason for Eveā€™s darkness so Eve doesnā€™t need to be saved from her.
Bc they would eventually get each other killed? Well, thatā€™s a possibility but at least before that they could experience all the joys of being together. ā€œWe would consume each other before we get old. That sounds kind of nice.ā€ Itā€™s better to burn out than fade away was always them.
Bc they donā€™t like the domesticity? Well thatā€™s not the goal in every relationship. Like Eve said it herself, you put the broken pieces together and make something completely your own. They were never gonna be like the sickly-sweet kidney-couple. They were perfectly domestic in their own way.
Bc they would never be happy? Well thatā€™s just bullshit because we all saw that theyā€™ve never been happier than they were together. Thereā€™s no way Villanelle would be happier killing than with Eve when her whole fucking arc has been about wanting to be loved and be something else than a killer. And thereā€™s no way Eve would be happy in a normal life she wanted to get away from since the beginning. They were soulmates and it pains me that Laura only saw them as problematic frenemies.
Also, Itā€™s incredibly strange from her to say that it wouldnā€™t work bc they could never be ā€œgoodā€ or ā€œnormalā€ when the show has never cared about those things before. So, wtf.
Villaneve aren't bad for each other. I don't want to hear shit from anybody about "they're toxic" because no, sit the fuck down. Eve brought out Villanelle's humanity and made her feel things. The scene from 2x07 where Villanelle tells Eve "I feel things when I'm with you" still makes my heart do somersaults. Villanelle brings out parts of Eve that, as Sandra once put it, were on pause or never fully explored. Anything that Eve did after meeting Villanelle isn't because Villanelle made Eve "bad". Eve was already fucked up. In episode 1, before Eve ever laid eyes on Villanelle, we know that she was obsessed with women killers, stabbed her own leg with a knife, and had fantasized about how she would kill Niko (haven't we all?). They complemented each other. Villanelle introduced a freedom and a vitality that Eve had suppressed in order to live her regular old life at her regular old job with her regular old husband in her regular old house. Villanelle introduced possibility and excitement and yes, danger, but that's because she was an assassin for the Twelve, something that was no longer true by the end of the series. So tell me where the toxic aspects of their relationship were? They were these people already, Villanelle simply allowed Eve to see that she could take agency of herself, while Eve allowed Villanelle to recognize that there was so much more to her than simply being an assassin.
The thing is that no matter what Lauren Seal's fucked up reasons were, THEY LITERALLY DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE SHOW WAS ENDING. All of these things that she supposedly saw or didn't see happening were of no fucking relevance, because IT'S NOTHING THAT ANY OF US WERE EVER GOING TO SEE ON OUR SCREENS. She could've given us an ending that at least allowed possibility, so that we could decide for ourselves what that next step for them might be, whether together or apart. But instead, she let her ideas of things that she couldn't see happening in EPISODES THAT WILL NEVER BE MADE dictate how she formulated her ending. Laura Neal is a cunt
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