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calebdatabase · 19 days ago
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Why is Caleb called Donor 002?
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*This speculation was drafted prior to Caleb's X-02 myth trailer
In this brief post, I’m riffing off of the Adam and Eve theory for Caleb x MC based on his anecdote that refers to him as “Donor 002” and her as “Subject 001”. This post lightly brushes the sibling controversy so if you’re sensitive to it, keep scrolling.
It’s a significant distinction between their roles to make, and I’m not sure if anyone’s fully connected their Donor/Subject roles as experiments to the Adam and Eve theory.
In the context of illegal experimentation, Caleb’s title in the documents implies that he donated something vital to MC. In the lens of the Adam and Eve theory, it’s arguably a process that symbolically mirrors the way God took one of Adam’s ribs and created Eve with it.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Genesis 2:21-23 KJV
(As someone who attended a private Christian academy never thought I’d be quoting the Bible for an otome game theory lol)
From what we’ve seen, Caleb and MC operate in a pair and have abilities to keep each other’s powers in check. Ever is known for targetting ‘twins’, such as Luke & Kieran, the 303 twins and Mia & Kevi.
Now while Caleb and MC are obviously not related, their sibling-like bond shares similarities to the aforementioned sets of twins, such as being able to sense each other’s presence, mental states and having a knack for ending up in proximity to the other.
I’m pretty sure Caleb’s joked about having telekinesis powers related to her. MC also brought up how Josephine tasked Caleb with protecting her when they were kids, likening their dynamic to the way “a ring system protects its planet”. Josephine wanted them to watch each other's back while they were originally programmed to destroy each other.
"We don't need to face the future alone, though. It's like how planets and their ring systems are born together... They'll also fade away together." – Teenage Caleb to MC
I suppose one question to ask is what exactly was Caleb forced to donate to be dubbed “Donor 002”? What was MC missing?
Was it blood, cells, or something more substantial like an organ? Possibly even Evol to assist the Gaia researchers revival experiments with her?
Depending on the answer the writers give us, there might be some merit to the controversy of them being related to a certain minor degree. Don’t come for me, it was Infold that put them in this sticky situation.
On the other hand, maybe the Gaia researchers really just siphoned his Evol for use in MC’s experiments somehow, who knows? Time will tell.
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slimepuparibaba · 3 months ago
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Imagine if Caleb didn't say anything about him being alive because he knew he was an active threat to you, and that Ever wanted to use him as a weapon against you. So he opted to silently disappear from your life and take down Ever in the background. He would climb the ranks, he would tear them apart, piece by piece. He would use his position as Colonel of the Farspace Fleet to gain the power to destroy everyone who hurt you, hurt him, all while you thought he was dead.
He was resigned to disappearing from your life, so long as you were okay somewhere else. He would let his feelings for you die. He was fine being away from you. He was okay being dead to you. So long as you were safe and happy. So long as Ever wasn't a threat, nor was he a threat.
But then you showed up again. And things changed. And the moment you kept pushing for answers and pushing for him to come back in his life, he relented. Despite how insistent he was that he was no longer who you knew, you still wanted him back, you fought so vehemently to get him to stay.
So he had to stay with you. He couldn't ignore the want he had inside of him, eating away at him. After all, he's a man to you now, and he made that clear. And you seemed open to the idea of being by his side, no longer just childhood friends or brother and sister figures.
Just... he also has to now figure out how to protect you. Especially when the biggest ticking time bomb? The biggest weapon pointed at you?
Is himself.
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deepspacenova · 23 days ago
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something that is both heartwarming and heartbreaking about Caleb is the way he consistently continues to fight his fate, despite every sign he encounters pointing toward its inevitability:
it's in the way he defies the Toring Chip, and the meaning of 7%
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When Caleb falls apart on the bench with MC and the chip resets in Farspace Bloomfall, 100% of his mind is supposed to reset.... and yet only 93% of the chip is integrated and able to do so.
We know Caleb is aware of this too, when he tells MC to tell him about her problems “while I can still respond.” Because he knows he'll inevitably lose some information once it happens, like the 'patrol data' Enforcer mentions.
This means it’s happened before, Caleb's mind had been reset before. Which means, he knows if the chip’s integrity ever gets to 100% and resets, anything he feels toward MC will also reset. And so..
“…he’s purposefully ‘sealed’ his brain rather than damaging it.”
So Caleb gathered up every emotion, every memory, and every impression of MC in his mind, wrapped it all together into one small piece, and has since, against all odds, continuously used his Evol to put a barrier around it, to protect it. To keep the chip from finding it and wiping it. And what is that piece? That 7%?
7% is MC. 7% is his memories of MC. 7% is his love for MC.
it's in the way he's turned himself from "perfect weapon to destroy each other" to "perfect weapon to destroy others"
I could be wrong (please correct me), but I'm pretty sure it's murky right now whether Caleb (subject 002?) knew MC during any of her 'incarnations' in the lab and/or their purposes to be a killswitch for each other. But if he does know or remember any of it, the protection of that 7% from the Toring Chip becomes even more vital and strategic as all hell.
Because that would mean Caleb orchestrated a situation where he's become the lab subject, a decoy in MC's place as they try and correct the chip within him.
And that would mean that Caleb planned for them to "sacrifice a great deal to obtain him," — apparently, so much that they're unwilling/unable to simply dispose of him when he's resisting the very thing that would seal his fate as "the key", as MC's killswitch.
and it's in the literal beat of his heart
when you lay your hand over caleb's heart to hear his heartbeat, no matter how fast that beat starts out, if you hold your hand there long enough, his heartbeat inevitably tapers into a calm 50-60.
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Despite all he's doing to preserve that 7%, he can't fight the nature of the other 93%. The nature of the chip and it's purpose to keep him in an emotional stasis.
His excitement to see you, his happiness to have you there, the fluttering of his heart? Those are abnormalities to the chip, those aren't in line with what that stasis is supposed to be. And so... no matter how quickly his heart beats for you initially, it inevitably gets suppressed.
We see how it affects other members of the Fleet too. How all of them have accepted the inevitability of the chip. Tuum Officer No. 6025 and Liam in particular shows us exactly what it looks like to give in.
And yet, every time you come back, Caleb's still excited, Caleb still fights it. He's fighting it with only 7% of his memory, he's fighting it with every quickened beat of his heart.
If the chip is a tether, if his fate is a tether, Caleb will never stop sawing at the strings, and i am not okay about it.
blame for any and all crash outs can be directed to @solifloris and @starmocha, who have managed to make my "down bad" for caleb turn into "sick to my stomach with eternal devotion"
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ishaslife · 3 months ago
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Love and Deepspace:
Caleb Trailer Breakdown
Okay, so, I was confused on the trailer for a while and honestly a little put off at the whole "villain" vibes I got from it. But... I feel like there's something deeper going on here. Just hear me out:
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"23rd Neural Control Experiment"
Pay close attention to the word, "Neural," to do with the brain and the nerves, as well as "control." Then, we see him struggling.
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He's moaning and groaning, almost as if he's trying to fight against it. He looks like he's pain and then suddenly,
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He's fine, he's IN control. His whole demeanour changes momentarily and all the lights around him come to life, it's not chaotic anymore. Until,
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He wakes up, as if from a dream, absolutely terrified. He's sweating and scared, he's almost relieved to realise that it was a dream. But... What if it wasn't? I have always bought into the theory that Caleb and MC were brought together as a part of a bigger experiment by Ever, to test their evols and how they would get along.
Caleb has always been experimented on to better suit the needs and purposes that Ever plans to achieve with him and MC. He is being mind controlled by Ever, it's a "Neural Experiment" after all, Ever is trying to gain control of his thoughts and feelings, to make him detach himself from the MC to be able to use his telekenisis/gravity manipulation evol more effectively. Caleb seems unaware of this, he thinks that all of this is a dream when it's likely not. It's a result of all the poking and prodding Ever did in his brain since he's been a child. And Caleb's feelings for the MC are so strong that he's always able to fight against it, even if he is aware of it.
Ever blew up their house, likely because they thought that if MC knew that Caleb is definitely dead, they'd be able to keep her away from Caleb and keep Caleb away from her, making it easier for them to manipulate his brain to their liking.
Caleb is a sweet guy. The moment I saw him in the game, he was instantly the "protective-older-oppa-niichan" archetype. And this sudden shift in him in the trailer made me feel... Strange to say the least. It was absolutely jarring. I don't think he's evil, I think he's being made to think he is evil.
The still from the trailer below; it shows what is likely his apartment and everything is boxed up, it's almost as though this is from the day he moved to skyhaven or a few days after.
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(side note: it's kinda cute that the only thing he unpacked is that photo of, what I assume is, him and the MC on the left.)
This is most definitely the past because,
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He still has the necklace and he seems as soft as we know him to be, he caresses the necklace with care and in memory, almost as if he's consoling the MC like, "I'll never hurt you, don't worry." (And well, also just because he misses her and wishes she was with him.)
And then, this beautiful dream-like scene, almost from a memory changes into something far darker.
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It's as though he's not himself anyone, he's someone who has been twisted. Ever has succeeded and it's up to us to make him remember again.
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To add: the apple symbolism. His art and his motifs are often littered with apples and snakes, snakes are often seen as symbols of seduction, betrayal and most importantly: duality in most world mythologies and the apple, it's quite literally the seduction and fall of Eve/mankind. Even the snake, the devil takes the form of a snake when trying to seduce Eve to eat from the tree.
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Perhaps the snakes at meant to represent his duality, and Ever as they are the reason for his duality in the first place. Meanwhile, the apples: his fall orchestrated by Ever. Ever is the devil and Caleb fell for their trap, unknowingly just as Eve did.
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munnmolads · 2 months ago
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Rumors about the guys in the newest trailer
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I compiled the rumors from the trailers for a easy access! Someone else typed about their names in Reddit.
Edit to add: The texts are now readable in the latest social media posts, fixing my errors:
Xavier: "Danger often hides..."
Rafayel: "A Praedator rose..."
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zaynes-pookie · 3 months ago
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Okay so THEORY TIME!!
Something I notice when watching the trailer and replaying the story is that, whenever Caleb change personality, there is always a car passing by…
The two exemples:
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In the first one, he first seems normal and then becomes super secretive after (replay chapter 4.3 to listen to the dialogue). In the trailer for his myth (i think) he looked harden and when the car passed by him, he did a full 180 in personality and became the Caleb we knew before the explosion.
So my theory is that… maybe (just like the Winter Soldier) the car or someone in the car is controlling whenever he is in “winter soldier mode”. 🫣
But again that’s just a theory i had THANK YOU FOR READING❤️
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rui-drawsbox · 7 months ago
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i love the lab rats theory
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scientificwitchry · 3 months ago
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I love everything about Caleb but the thing I like about him the most is the way he is so obviously delusional. I remember looking back at chapter four, I couldn't stop thinking about it and specifically this line; "... If not for me who else would you turn to for..." He stops his sentence but it's clear that it wasn't until that light passing by that even for a split second, a moment there could be someone we trust more than him. Or even that we wouldn't trust him at all.
I get the same vibe from the showcase of his card, Farspace Bloomfall, specifically this line;
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To Caleb, I'm sure that even if he can accept us being angry, acknowledge it he wouldn't be able to ever wrap the mere idea that we could ever completely, entirely hate him (and he's absolutely correct).
After all, we're so close. We grew up together, we probably experienced so many memories, and so many complex emotions. From all the happy moments to all the sad moments. He knows us well, too well. The same way we know our gun, how to aim, how to fire, how to most efficiently deal with a wanderer. Caleb in fact knows us so well he knows exactly how to appeal to us; how to manipulate us, how to make us tick. I don't even doubt there are things about us he knows that even we don't considering the explosion and his following shift in demeanor/character.
Considering that, is it then, not only natural that he's the first person we run to? The one we rely on the most, the one we trust the most?
Is it then not common sense that he's the most obvious option, the only option the same way we've always been for him?
After all, he knows us the best, whether it's as the reliable gege who's always been there to protect us or the Caleb who's always loved us even when we never realized it.
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mapofsouthdakota · 2 months ago
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Caleb’s sigil/crest- Tomorrow’s Catch outfit
What tf is that crest?!
- Another myth speculation
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Yes, I’m talking about THAT sigil/crest. Aside from the obvious, which is that there are wings on the outside of the centre of the sigil:
I have spent too much time trying to figure out what tf those thingy’s are.
WELL LEMME TELL YA
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FIRE TONGS! Not fire POKERS, BUT TONGS. WELL?! THEY LOOK LIKE BIRB CLAWS TOO omfg
A broken clock is right twice a day, right?
Please, anyone. Tell me that I’m seriously delulu, but this further confirms my suspicions on Caleb being some kind of fiery birb *breaks*
BECAUSE:
While fire pokers aren’t specifically a mythological tool associated with creatures like the Vermilion Bird or Phoenix in Chinese culture, fire tools in general do hold symbolic significance in fire-related rituals and spiritual practices. The Phoenix and Vermilion Bird, both deeply connected to the element of fire, metaphorically align with the ideas of transformation, rebirth, and renewal—concepts that can be associated with the act of tending fire using tools like fire pokers and/or tongs.
THAT CROWN THO
The crown throws me off bigtime, but I have concluded with the following:
There isn’t a direct or widely known historical connection between a three-pointed crown and the phoenix (Fènghuáng, 凤凰) or the Vermilion Bird (Zhūquè, 朱雀) in Chinese mythology, but there are some interesting symbolic parallels:
1. Three as a Sacred Number
In many cultures, the number three represents balance, harmony, and the connection between heaven, earth, and humanity. The Fenghuang and Vermilion Bird are both celestial creatures often associated with cosmic balance, so a three-pointed crown might symbolically align with them in that way.
2. Crest and Feathers
The Fenghuang and Vermilion Bird are often depicted with elaborate, flame-like crests on their heads. A three-spiked crown could metaphorically resemble this, especially if stylized to look like feathers or flames.
3. Imperial and Divine Associations
The Fenghuang is an imperial symbol, often linked to empresses and nobility in Chinese culture. Crowns, particularly ones with three points (which could symbolize heaven, earth, and the ruler), could conceptually fit within that framework.
Okey, so am I cooketh or cooking who knows but I will cry if he turns out being some kind of salty pirate. Jkjk I’m happy with more Caleb content BUT seriously…
If anybody out there have another opinion on what tf those thingies are, please let me know.
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shitaishitai · 2 months ago
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l&ds tomorrow's catch-22 files
bc i cant just enjoy stuff normally i wanted to analyze some stuff shown in the video :> i did some VERY BASIC research so dont quote me on how accurate anything i say is, just some observations and stuff.
Zayne
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Codename: Galen
Galen is a greek physician who's very influential in the medical history.
Rumor: "Nobody gets to walk out of his prison. Not when they are alive, at least."
Caleb
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Codename: Perses
the greek titan of destruction. There's some representation of him of the balance between creation and destruction, how destruction like paves the way for creation.
Rumor: "He is an ambitious politician who is eyeing the entire city."
Sylus
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Codename: Tartarus
the underworld. basically greek hell, where all the dead souls who are judged to be condemned are sent. i also saw that Tartarus is one of the four primordials along with eros, chaos, and gaia.
Rumor: "You better have your last words ready before this man knocks on your door."
Xavier
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Codename: Hermit
a person living in solitude, could also be referencing the Hermit tarot card. an upright hermit card can represent self reflection and independence to better yourself, while an upside down hermit card could represent damaging self isolation and loneliness.
Rumor: "Danger often hides behind the softest eyes and the sharpest fangs."
Rafayel
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Codename: Tamino
okay this is gonna be like the most crackhead theory about this, but apparently Tamino means "One who shares a deep bond like a twin brother. Strong companionship, like a twin." AND IS ALSO A NAME DERIVED FROM THOMAS?? ARE RAFAYEL AND THOMAS TWINS??? there's also a thomas from the bible "doubting thomas" who doubted the resurrection of jesus Tamino could also mean god/deity (which yknow god of the sea makes sense) so like there could be a whole connection between rafayel and thomas with lemuria and stuff??? idk this is where i might be reading too much into it LMAO
Rumor: "A Praedator rose from the ashes. The entire city is but a playground at his disposal."
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calebdatabase · 19 days ago
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Caleb & MC Bound by DNA
My god first off I was crashing out while watching the trailer I'm so excited for more CALEB LORE! I remember asking for more Sci-Fi content on a survey and they delivered! Soooo many incredible feelings, so I wanted to follow up on my Caleb as Donor 002 post.
Now we know that Caleb and MC were created from the same 'source' as he literally stated in the trailer. Seems it wasn't far-fetched to draw a connection between Eve being created from Adam's rib!
Taking a closer look at the structure of the DNA helix, I interpret 'source' as they are Cyborgs birthed from the same 'energy source'. The helix appears mechanical in nature with rippling energy currents.
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It appears, in this new timeline, Caleb and MC are bound by their very DNA; his myth trailer included imagery of a metal double helix and the following text:
"The enigma behind the double metal helix... The promise you had since you were born."
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"But the promise we've had since we were born, I kept that one." - Caleb to MC
Again, there is this imagery of being bound at birth, similar to how twins are (I mentioned the symbolism of twins/siblings and how they're often experimentation victims of Ever in the Donor 002 post). In this case, perhaps they are cyborg clones of the same energy core.
And if you're a Potterhead, you'll see that its a concept remniscent of Harry's and Voldemort's twin Phoenix Feather wand cores. One cannot survive without the other, both must die for one to be vanquished.
Twins, clones, whatever you want to call it**—** it's a pattern you can't deny, and now I'm convinced in the present timeline, Caleb and her are linked in more ways than they appear to be.
Also love how Caleb x MC haters got their panties in a twist and Infold was literally like 'LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU' *drops myth trailer* Kudos to them for sticking with the planned lore and remaining unfazed by the initial controversy. They had to prime everyone before dropping this, and the ones who get it, get it.
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"Then it's a promise. In life and in death, we will never be apart."
You can't tell me these aren't their literal wedding vows HAHA I'm sickkk. Caleb basically said: 'Till death do us part? I think not..' The look in his eyes is so intense too like damn ok i'm all yours for eternity my dude.
I think the promise they made when they were born refers to his promise to protect her always. It's a call back to their childhood memories about Caleb protecting her like a ring system protects its planet; they are born together and they die together.
Here's my thoughts on their A-01 and X-02 titles:
Caleb was distinctively labeled Donor 002 while MC was labeled Subject 001 in old experiment documents by Gaia and Ever.
In Caleb's very first intro trailer and his new myth trailer, his title is X-02. Respectively, MC is A-01. They are a pair represented by the concepts of Death and Rebirth, the ideal weapons to destroy one another, as we're all aware.
'A' may represent 'Alpha' in the concept of 'Alpha and Omega' aka the 'Beginning and the End'. MC can miraculously revive after dying via her Aether Core and can only be fully destroyed (and by proxy reborn) by the power Caleb wields.
'X' is associated with 'with death and rebirth, as it is thought to mark the end of one cycle and the beginning of another. It is also often seen as a symbol of change or transition, as it represents the crossing of a threshold.'
Pretty straightforward. All I experience is pain with these two, and I. Need. More.
In honor of Caleb's myth dropping, I'm gonna post my embarrassingly long Supernova theory on the pair soon since I gleaned more insight from the myth trailer tidbits. Now I'm not sure if I should wait until reading his myth so I can go back and edit or just release it as is.
Might have to split it up into a few posts with their own section so its digestible lmao. It's been a couple months in the making and while it includes the scientific concepts explained in the Bound by Gravity, United in Resonance video, I also weaved it into the lore and the direction of Caleb's story. I've been a full believer in the Supernova Catalyst theory since Caleb was released and I'm excited to share my thoughts on them so stay tuned (his eyes are literal supernovas)!
My tumblr is Caleb Database and I plan to post more fun things like fics, lore theories, and fanart (I've already got one fic and two lore posts up). I'm also obsessed with Star Wars and Harry Potter, so you're likely to see some AU's of Caleb in these realms...
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slimepuparibaba · 2 months ago
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Hi, me again. Caleb brainrot is bad. Anyway
You ever think the reason Caleb likes talking about your childhood so much to the point it seems excessive isn't just because he loves living in the past so much but also because of the fact that he's so used to trying to get you to remember every single detail of events that you may no longer remember because of you constantly dying?
Cuz like. You died and forgot, but Caleb survived and remembered?
So now it's just a habit and Caleb also trying to make sure he fills gaps in your memory that may or may not exist? Because he's no longer sure what you do and don't remember of your time together and he's so used to trying to remind you of things that happened?
Because, you know. Caleb's seen you die so many times since he was like 9-10 years old? And his unhealthy coping mechanism to deal with the trauma is to constantly make sure you're never in a situation where you die and forget everything again?
No?
Okay, have a good day :)
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mooyuun · 2 months ago
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Maybe it will be not true at all, but hearing people thoughts about Caleb being related to Astra is so interesting.
First we see references to Astra in Caleb related cards.
Astra name in the toaster, and yes, is funny to think that Astra is reincarnated to a toaster, but showing that name in a Caleb card might express a future hint. Some people talk about the 6th LI, but it can also be a hint towards Caleb.
Also Caleb (and by logic the devs) talks about MC fear of storms and lightning as astraphobia, they could have chose a simpler text, but they always talk about astraphobia.
Then MC dreams about Caleb, and in the dream he doesn’t have an eye and we know that Astra gave Zayne an eye.
And we have some dual relationships with the guys. Xavier (Knight) and Sylus (Dragon). Maybe it could be Zayne (Foreseer) and possibly Caleb (God).
Also Astra kinda interferes in every relationship of MC so is kinda yandere behavior 😂😂
But it can also be that these are references to the 6th, since Caleb is also related to him with his work at Ever.
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kuroyurishion · 3 months ago
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After sleeping and watching Caleb’s new trailer, I found something interesting.
See if you can spot it~
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See it? Zoom in. Enhance.
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Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s bone. Specifically, the humerus, elbow joint, and the radius and ulna.
Picture for reference. Note the similarities between the shape of the bone on the center and the split on the one on the bottom right.
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Is this not a completely prosthetic arm?
So, Caleb’s arm was severely damaged during the explosion in Chapter 4. And with severe damage comes trauma, surgery, etc. But what interests me most is the nerve damage that comes from such an event.
In Caleb’s Debut Trailer, we see him somewhere in Skyhaven in the Zero Gravity Chamber undergoing his 23rd Neural Control Experiment. In the latest trailer [Caleb: Painful Signal], he says this line: “I barely feel any pain. Unless it’s under repair. But… I… can’t feel you anymore.”
There are two ways to think about this. Theory 1 only happens if Caleb has the bionic arm after the explosion. Theory 2 only happens if Caleb has the bionic arm before the explosion.
Theory One: Caleb has severe nerve damage from the explosion, and the Farspace Fleet somehow saved him (maybe using the missing Spatium Core?) and gave him his bionic arm.
But Caleb is devastated because he can’t feel MC with his arm anymore. Because he can’t feel pain, the Fleet decide to help him by putting him through all these control experiments in order to stimulate neural control
Theory Two: The Farspace Fleet has their eye on Caleb. Gravity Manipulation is a very versatile and powerful Evol, after all. So, they want to use him for their own gains. They do some digging, find out about MC (maybe about her Evol, Aether Core, or records of being experimented on?), and they threaten Caleb with her. They’ll hurt her if he doesn’t obey them. We see whenever Caleb is about to tell MC something huge, a car’s headlights pass by. He’s being watched. So, either willingly or unwillingly, Caleb agrees to be their weapon. They experiment on him, giving him the bionic arm.
When the explosion happens, he’s able to get away. Maybe the missing Spatium Core is in his arm? Does his bionic arm work like a Wanderer, being made and built? We know Spatium Cores can distort space, so maybe that’s how he got out?
I’m not sure. What do you guys think? Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about anything!
Either way, I’m excited for him to drop so we can learn more!
Thank you for listening to my ramblings~ ( ˶ˆᗜˆ˵ ) Everyone is welcome to talk and theorize with me as well!
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kissakiss · 3 months ago
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Caleb loves too differently? too strongly? No, no, no. The others have been given the opportunity to love mc through the ages and the timelines. Their love for her is vastly spread out across the multiverse and they know that even if one version perishes eventually another will come into existence. But Caleb feels his love for mc condensed into the present time and he’s not the one with multiple versions of mc, just one, just his.
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ormymarius · 2 months ago
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me if pirate Caleb myth or fallen angel Caleb myth aren’t real
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