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[rebeleden]

New video shows Kyle Rittenhouse in bar

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[irradiate-space]

If the 14th Amendment §3 bars Trump from the presidency, is that undemocratic?

I feel like the use of "undemocratic" in this post's title is being used as a shorthand for a lot of unrelated concerns: is barring Trump from office popular? legal? in accordance with the rule of law? constitutional? in good taste? strategic?

Many of those concerns ignore one of the founding parts of the current US Constitution: it's not a direct democracy. It has never been purely democratic. The things which the populace can vote for are determined by the Constitution. For example: before 1913, the populace couldn't vote for senators. The 17th Amendment changed that. So if we want to discus the 14th Amendment's barring of insurrectionists, we must look at the other ways that The Constitution-as-amended lists who cannot become President:

people who aren't natural-born citizens

people younger than 35

people who refuse to take the presidential oath of office

people "who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Some have said that, if Trump ran for office and won the election but was barred from office on 14thA grounds, that would be undemocratic, and he should be installed anyways.

So I ask: If the following people run for President in 2024, and win, should their popularity be allowed to override their Constitutional disqualification?

Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria as an Austrian citizen, ineligible because of the country of his birth

Kyle Rittenhouse, born 2003, ineligible because he will not be 35 by 2024

And if age or birth legitimately disqualifies someone, why shouldn't insurrection?

[cocoon2010]

Why did they stick one of JID's best verses on an Eminem song. Why did they stick one of JID's best verses on the Eminem song with the Kyle Rittenhouse bar.

[cyarsk5230]

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“No killers on my campus,” is what one sign read held by one of the over 200 student protesters at the University of Memphis on Wednesday, as Kyle Rittenhouse spoke at a campus organized event.

“Put Rittenhouse behind bars not a podium,” read another.

If you recall, in August 2020, a then 17-year-old Rittenhouse shot and killed two white demonstrators in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and injured a third, who had been protesting the shooting of a Black man by a white police officer. He claimed self-defense and was acquitted of criminal accusations in fall 2021. He quickly became what some people call a “2nd amendment celebrity” following his acquittal.

According to campus event details, Rittenhouse, 21, was expected to discuss topics that included the importance of the second amendment and “the lies of Black Lives Matter.” The event was being held by the university’s chapter of Turning Point USA, a conservative student organization. According to The Guardian, the campus stated it was legally obligated to allow Rittenhouse to speak.

“On August 25th of 2020, I was violently attacked by a mob of rioters,” Rittenhouse said before he was shouted down, according to @WREG. The event then turned into a Q&A session before loud and aggressive boos from the crowd disrupted him and he was rushed off stage with his therapy dog.

Shortly after being rushed off stage, Rittenhouse posted a video claiming he didn’t get “booed off stage” instead he had a “hard cut-off time.”

Rittenhouse has scheduled appearances at Western Kentucky and Kent State.

[ohbrownone]

Kyle Rittenhouse Reportedly Barred from Marine Service After Failing The...

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Kyle Rittenhouse, out on bail, flashed white power signs in photos at bar: prosecutors

Kyle Rittenhouse, out on bail, flashed white power signs in photos at bar: prosecutors

Prosecutors in Wisconsin have asked a judge to order Kyle Rittenhouse, charged with killing two people and wounding a third in a violent protest over a police shooting, to stay out of bars and away from white supremacist groups. The request comes a week after the Illinois 18-year-old was seen drinking at a bar in the southeastern Wisconsin city of Mount Pleasant, about 25 miles south of…

[odinsblog]

😒

Joe Biden, talking about the “not guilty” verdict for Kyle Rittenhouse, the darling of racists everywhere.

Like, I *completely* understand that he had to say something, but Biden fucked up a golden opportunity to call out white supremacy. And considering that Biden has repeatedly told white America that “America is not a racist country,” this kind of pandering and placating the delicate sensibilities of “genteel” white folks won’t hold up too well under the scrutiny of history. Look, I don’t expect Biden to be as eloquent as the 44th Commander-In-Chief, but damn, it’s a low fucking bar fam. All he had to do was get with a speech writer, take 20 minutes, and come up with something (anything!) a lot less tone deaf.

Remember when candidate Biden called out Trump for not calling out white supremacists?? Where tf did that guy go?

The last two U.S. Presidents have flatly refused to use the power of the bully pulpit to vigorously call out racist organizations like the Proud Boys and the KKK. I expected that from one of them, but not both. LOL, and my expectations were low to begin with.

[rebeleden]

Kyle Rittenhouse suspected of flashing white supremacy signs at bar

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[magic-can]

Don’t let the convictions of Ahmaud Arbery’s killers distract you from the fact that it hasn’t even been a few weeks since Kyle Rittenhouse, a white supremacist who murdered people who were fighting for equality, was released and celebrated by fascists as a hero. Don’t let it distract you from the way the legal system in the United States is built around upholding white supremacy. Don’t let it distract you from the fact that every day people of color are scared to simply walk outside on the street out of fear of being killed.

A single case have some sense of justice delivered doesn’t eliminate the systemic problems at hand. That shouldn’t take away from the fact that this is still some form of justice, however. The people who murdered an innocent man who was just going for a jog are behind bars for the rest of their lives.

In short, the fact that these men were punished for their crimes is something we should be glad about, however that doesn’t mean that we should stop fighting the system. If anything, dismantling systemic white supremacy is what justice, TRUE justice, is.

[theconstitutionisgayculture]

KYLE RITTENHOUSE WAS ACQUITTED THATS A W It’s sad that that an innocent person being deemed innocent is the bar but still a W is a W

It never should have gone to trial, and I shudder to think how this could have gone if the prosecution was any less incompetent, but a win is a win.

[coochiequeens]

If I’m frightened for women in general I am also frightened for women being raised to accept male “leadership” for religion.

Kyle Rittenhouse, the teenager who fatally shot two men and wounded a third during protests in 2020, was paraded as an ideal marriage suitor at a "women's leadership" conference.

The claims were made during the annual Young Women's Leadership Summit, run by conservative organization Turning Point USA, which was held from Thursday, June 2, through Saturday, June 4, in Grapevine, Texas.

Although the conference was billed as promoting women's leadership, much of the advice seemed geared towards encouraging the attendees—who were all of high school or college age—to find a husband to look after them and focus on having babies and becoming homemakers.

And Rittenhouse was unveiled as a potential suitor during the event. The 19-year-old from Antioch, Illinois, was just 17 when he set out armed with a semi-automatic rifle to riots in Kenosha, in the neighboring state of Wisconsin on August 25, 2020.

That night, he shot three people, killing Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz, 26. The civil unrest had been sparked by the police shooting of a black man, Jacob Blake, who was left paralyzed from the waist down.

Although Rittenhouse and the men he shot were all white, the case polarized Americans on the issues of race, the Black Lives Matter movement, gun control, and vigilantism. Rittenhouse, who was charged with two counts of homicide and one count of attempted homicide, insisted he had only acted in self-defense and he was unanimously found not guilty by a jury at his trial in November 2021.

Just a month after the shootings, video footage emerged which reports alleged showed Rittenhouse repeatedly punching a girl during a scuffle that had broken out between a group of teenagers just weeks before the riots. Newsweek has attempted to contact Rittenhouse about those allegations. The judge barred prosecutors from playing the video at his trial.

Despite Rittenhouse's complicated past, Turning Point USA's Chief Creative Officer Benny Johnson was in no doubt that the teenager would make a good romantic match for any of the young women at the leadership summit. He asked the crowd: "Who in this room is unmarried? Oh my! OK. Well, Kyle Rittenhouse is backstage!"

Once he had brought Rittenhouse out to join him, the political columnist introduced him by telling the audience: "I want to talk a lot about what kind of man you should want to be attracted to... Men: your number one goal is to protect your family and to stand strong in the face of opposition from culture and evil, and Kyle Rittenhouse is a man who does that." As whoops and cheers broke out, Johnson added: "God bless Kyle Rittenhouse."

Rittenhouse appeared to ask: "Do I say anything?" Then at a nod from the host, he turned to the crowd and said: "Thank you guys for all the support and everything. Thank you guys for the prayers, and thank you guys for being strong women!"

Earlier, Johnson had suggested the young women should focus on having children. He boiled down his advice into six succinct words, pumping his fist as he screamed: "More Americans! More babies! Let's go!"

It's not clear how many people attended the event, although the group's website said: "Thousands of female student activists between the ages of 15 and 26 will be invited to attend... [and] receive first-class activism and leadership training.... Following a TPUSA conference, these activists return to their campuses more energized than ever and with the proper tools and training on how to defend conservatism on their campus."

Other speakers at the summit included political commentator Candace Owen, who took to the stage of the women's leadership conference and advised the attendees to "let men lead."

Responding to a question from an audience member about how to "attract good men", she replied that men don't like women who "act like men" by pursuing a career, and added: "I'm a big believer: let men lead. When I say 'lead,' understand: the man is the head of the household, but the woman is the neck." She drew huge cheers.

Most of the speakers at the event were women, and included TV producer Lara Trump (daughter-in-law of former President Donald Trump), Judge Jeanine Pirro, Congresswoman Kat Cammack, and former White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany.

Rittenhouse has become something of a poster boy for the right, although his future remains unclear. He said he hadn't made any money from his publicity tour after the trial. Last week, he announced he was due to attend Texas A&M University but the institution released a statement saying he was not enrolled as a student. He also revealed he has plans to sue the media and celebrities for branding him a murderer, despite his acquittal. And he is also said to be considering writing a book about his life experiences.

Newsweek has reached out to Turning Point USA and Rittenhouse.

[daughterofdessalines]

The way Alec Baldwin & KYLE Rittenhouse .... (two men who are KNOWINGLY guilty of murder) are being treated ~versus ~ Julius Jones who’s guilt is questionable. Just F*CK’s with me!

The criminal justice system is functioning exactly as intended -- to devalue and criminalize our people at every turn. Young Black men, women, and non-binary folks just like Julius are being ripped away from their communities every day, and it has to stop. Governor Stitt could put an end to this man’s suffering.

[angrybell]

So, this is a lot of good news for Rittenhouse and some potentially bad.

Short version, the judge kept out a lot of evidence that would just show prospensity for violence. US and state law generally disfavors it but sometimes prosecutors can get it in. In this case, the judge seems to be shooting strait and keeping it out.

The flip side is, the background of one of the people who attacked Rittenhouse that night, the first one be shot, will be kept out. That makes sense. At the time, Rittenhouse didn’t know the man’s history for child sex abuse, so really not a big deal for the defense.

Now, the scary bit is that the prosecutor has indicated they have FBI drone footage which they hunt may show Rittenhouse instigating the violence. The defense objected saying they haven’t seen it.

If it’s true, it’s a problem for the defense because Wisconsin does not have a stand your ground type of law. On the other hand, it depends on what they are characterizing as “provocation” or “instigating”.

So Rittenhouse had a good day but his case is far from over.

[poetessinthepit]

Being ABSOLUTELY certain that Rittenhouse premeditated his murders is an impossibly high bar to clear—higher than “beyond a reasonable doubt.” You can’t have that kind of certainty without him on film confessing. And it’s reasonable that if people (rightly) believed he was an active shooter, then they would attack him. He can’t create a danger and then claim self-defense when rational people respond to the danger he himself created.

"100% certainty" is not the term I should've used. That was a mistake. I think your argument is compelling and I'm inclined to agree but I just think the self defense statutes in Wisconsin are broad and vague enough that he did have a case for self defense and that is reasonable doubt. The case really came down to microanalyzing a few very brief interactions between a few individuals, two of whom will never be able to tell their side of the story. However, one thing I will say is that when you have broad and vague statutes, they will always benefit the privileged. If you had say, a black nationalist show up armed to a protest and they shot and killed 3 people under similar circumstances, they would never be acquitted and the people who defend Kyle Rittenhouse's right to self defense would not defend that person ever. Our whole justice system is fucked. While I don't think Kyle should be rotting away in a prison cell, I can't help but think he's probably learned nothing. I mean he posted a two million dollar bail and is being worshipped by white supremacists who are jealous that this kid got to shoot protesters and they didn't. Nothing good can come from that. I hope I'm wrong though.

[renardtrickster]

What's your overall opinion on the Kyle Rittenhouse case now that it's over? I think he should've rot in prison or gotten tge death sentence, personally

My take on the case is that Kittenhouse had his mom drive him from one state to another, grabbed a gun his friend bought for him, and then joined a vigilante/militia effort to protect a car dealership that he was not obligated to defend and had no reason to do so. He and the other LARPers then stood in front of the place of business which the protestors passed over, having successfully defended a car dealership. For some fucking reason, he then left the car dealership, followed the protestors, and then committed the 100% Legal Self Defense that he had probably purposefully sought out. The following statements can all be true at once.

One, even if you're a Blue Lives Matter probable Proud Boy who is open carrying at a counter-protest (among the many reasons wrong with this includes lack of discipline and organization, and the fact that open-carrying is cringe LARPy penis extension shit and CC is better), doesn't mean attacking you becomes legal. Although you can make the case (and bring up) that Grosskreutz and maybe Huber were acting in self-defense, because if I heard gunshots, saw a guy with a gun, and heard people shouting "he just shot someone", I would assume he just murdered someone and act accordingly. You can also argue that Rittenhouse had a gun and Rosenbaum was unarmed so running is infinitely more sensible than actually shooting. Ultimately, I'm not versed in legal-ese and I haven't been following the case that closely. I know there's some weird shit like the judge apparently acting like a sussy obstinate baka, or the "you can't say 'shooting victim' because referring to people who got shot as shooting victims biases the case, do call them looters and arsonists and pigfuckers though" ruling. And I think there was something absurd about "zooming in on a video counts as manipulating footage and thus can't be shown as evidence"? But legally, the self-defense case seems solid from what I am aware of.

Two, Kyle Rittenhouse is a dumbfuck conservative teenager who was seen hanging out with Proud Boys and flashing the OK sign in a bar, and whose branch is probably cut from the same tree of mentally ill right-wingers who blow their cash on "tacticool" gun gear as they fantasize about the day BLM snaps and begins "invading the suburbs" and ravaging "suburban" women, so they can fight back, becoming the vanguard and killing all the political undesirables while being able to morally withstand it by framing it through the act of self-defense. This event was the inevitable conclusion of our country's problem with right-wing militia-wannabees, and even as someone who's pro-gun the fact that Kyle was able to get his hands on a rifle and serve in a militia line that easily and with so little scrutiny is absurd.

Three, please shut up. "I think he should've gotten the death sentence" I think he's a little snot who's going to be turned into a icon by the culture war and Republican politicians in a few years, and I'm definitely not looking forward to the conservatives who are going to a) be endlessly smug about it forever and b) feel empowered by this. But at the same time, I still hold that neither the state nor prisons should be killing prisoners because life in prison is the most extreme and arguably worse punishment you can hand out, and "but we need to kill him" is ripe for abuse and mainly done out of some caveman-brained impulse to hurt whoever "wronged you" because an eye for an eye is totally a sensible policy guise. And I'm not going to renege on that position because now we're talking about some punk with a gun. If your feelings on Rittenhouse are deeper than "dagnab that kid my political lawn OOO", what you want from a Rittenhouse conviction is a few months in the clink to discourage other people from forming armed militia forces to defend property, then him getting rehabilitated into something more conducive to being-a-person-in-society than someone who buys into the "BLM literally burnt down the entire city it's all gone" memes and then acts on them, followed by making sure nothing like this ever happens again.

Four, and to lighten the mood, look at this meme.

[96thdayofrage]

“It’s very clear that they’re trying to make him their mascot. Any time that your mascot is someone who thought that it was an acceptable form of protest to show up at a political event with an AR-15, that is glorifying violence. And that’s a very dangerous thing to prop up and promote.”

In the week of Rittenhouse’s acquittal, all but two House Republicans refused to censure Gosar for posting an animated video that depicted him killing Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and attacking Biden.

Bardella, a former Republican congressional aide and spokesperson for rightwing Breitbart News, added: “It is a pattern. These aren’t isolated incidents. One is following the other and it’s not an accident and it’s not a coincidence. It’s a deliberate strategy.”

The sanctification of Rittenhouse, who was photographed in a bar before his trial with apparent members of the far-right Proud Boys, fits a tried and trusted playbook. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, a white couple in St Louis who pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters marching past their house, addressed last year’s RNC a day before Rittenhouse opened fire in Kenosha.

Mark McCloskey is now running for the US Senate in Missouri and welcomed Rittenhouse’s acquittal by stating: “Liberals want to defund the police and prevent you from defending yourself, your family, your home, and your businesses. I will never stand for that. I stood for Kyle Rittenhouse and his right to self-defense.”

Nicholas Sandmann, a high school student from Kentucky who sued media outlets for their depiction of his interaction – wearing a Maga cap – with a Native American activist on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington also came to personify grievances on the right.

And the pro-Trump mob that stormed the US Capitol on 6 January in an attempt to block certification of Joe Biden’s election has received similar treatment. Taylor Greene visited accused insurrectionists in what she called the “patriot wing” of a Washington prison, condemning its conditions as she tweeted: “I have never seen human suffering like I witnessed last night.”

Trump himself has praised Ashli Babbitt, a Capitol rioter fatally shot by police, as “a truly incredible person” and recorded a video to mark what would have been her 36th birthday in what many regard as an effort to turn her into a martyr.

Each cause célèbre is typically magnified by conservative media. On Monday more than 5m viewers watched Rittenhouse interviewed by Tucker Carlson, the Fox News opinion host’s biggest audience since the night of the 6 January attack.

Carlson told viewers: “During the course of our long conversation, Kyle Rittenhouse struck us as bright, decent, sincere, dutiful and hardworking … exactly the kind of person you would want many more of in your country. He’s not especially political. He never wanted to be the symbol of anything.” He also described Rittenhouse as a “sweet kid”.

In the interview, Rittenhouse claimed that he had been “extremely defamed” during the case, fuelling speculation that he will take legal action against the media and politicians. Sandmann urged him to do so, writing in the Daily Mail: “The parallels between me and Kyle Rittenhouse are impossible not to draw … The attacks on Kyle came from the national news media, just as they came for me.”

“The challenge for Republicans who are running in competitive seats is, is that who you want?” Larry Jacobs, director, Center for the Study of Politics and Governance

Other Fox News presenters have revelled in an opportunity to “own the libs”. Laura Ingraham tweeted: “The Left is going wild. Enjoy,” ahead of a show captioned: “Kyle and the liberal mind.” Sean Hannity interviewed Trump, who after meeting Rittenhouse made the provocative claim: “He should not have had to suffer through a trial. He should never have been put through that.”

Such comments imply resistance to a leftwing tyranny that assails individual rights, such as the right to bear arms. Dan Cassino, a political scientist at Fairleigh Dickinson University and author of Fox News and American Politics: How One Channel Shapes American Politics and Society, said: “This is where the energy in the party is.

“If you ask people on the right or look at rightwing media, they’ll tell you all the people Kyle Rittenhouse shot were criminals, they were terrible, they were going to kill everybody and these people are heroes for standing up, especially for using their second amendment rights.

“That’s a big part of this narrative, that having guns allows you to stand up to disorder and is a necessary thing to do in order to protect your community. It’s not Kyle Rittenhouse himself: he was protecting his community, and that’s what the second amendment is about as far as they’re concerned.”

But the normalisation of violence represented by Trump’s remarks at rallies, Gosar’s tweet and Rittenhouse’s valorisation is likely to be politically polarising, firing up the Maga base but turning off certain constituencies in elections.

Larry Jacobs, director of the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance at the University of Minnesota, said: “The challenge for Republicans who are running in competitive seats is, is that who you want? He’s a guy who is not cheered by a lot of people, including suburban and better educated women. The idea of people running around with automatic weapons in street? That doesn’t really excite them.

“I expect the Trumpians to grab on to him, bring him out, have him smile and wave and say a few things. But I think the candidates may be more selective.”