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philologique · 1 month ago

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**making my own post bc i don't want to take over someone else's post and make it about orthography**

from what i've observed, first is generally Good at Spelling and kind of self-righteous about it, whereas khaotung will frequently skip silent letters and fairly regularly use the ~wrong consonant at the end of words to reflect how they're pronounced (e.g., he writes first's name with a ด /d/ instead of ส /s/ more often than not) (1)

like in this interview where they have to write down 5 of each other's characters from memory, first correctly writes ray as เรย์ (basically "rey," with a silent marker on the y), while khaotung spells "akk" as อัก ("ak"). akk's name is actually spelled อักก์, with a silent marker on the second ก.

the misspelling you see khaotung make most often re เพื่อน "phuean" (friend) is actually writing เพืาอน, with า instead of the low tone mark ่ .(2) they're next to each other on one of the most common thai mobile keyboard layouts.(3) it's a typo rather than a true misspelling, in that it's not something any native speaker would accidentally handwrite. า and อ don't make the same sound in thai— า is a long /a:/ in isolation, while อ is a long /ɔ:/ in isolation.(4),(5)

the public origins (as far as i know) of khaotung's serial misspelling of "friend" do feel like a fanservice thing, inasmuch as they were engaging in fanservice years before they were paired together.

my personal headcanon that could well be proved wrong is that first typed it incorrectly once and khaotung absolutely ran with it since first is usually the first person to correct everyone else's spelling.

(1) Thai only has 3 phonemic syllable-final stops— an unreleased [p̚], [t̚], and [k̚]. ด is the most common way of writing the word-final unreleased [t̚]). fun fact: this was one of the major spelling reforms in lao, which did away with the etymological spellings that predominate in thai and which has more or less the same word-final phonemic inventory as central (standard) thai. (I say phonemic bc syllable-final short vowels tend to be realized with a glottal stop; before i knew any thai i thought the word they used for engineering (วิศวะ) ended with a /t/ since that's what i would map a syllable-final glottal stop onto in my own language.)

(2) The vowel in "phuean" is a diphthong written by writing เ◌ือ all together. Otherwise เ on its own is a long /e:/, and ◌ื◌ is a long /ɯ:/ (similar to the u in japanese). Then there's a low tone mark ่ on top of the พ /pʰ/, which generally gives syllables starting with "low class" consonants, including พ, a falling tone.

(3) See the keyboard layout below:

(4) Those particular characters (า and อ) are also used in conjunction with other characters to make different vowels. For a really solid primer on Thai orthography, I highly recommend "Read Thai in 10 Days" by Arthit Juyaso.

(5) For US english speakers, า is pronounced with the vowel people from much of the upper midwest have in "Chicago" (with i *think* more constriction in the back of the throat, although i haven't looked at any studies that confirm this). อ is the stereotypical vowel in "coffee" that many native new yorkers have). They probably sound particularly similar to English speakers with the cot/caught merger who pronounce both of those words with /ɑ/ (which is between /a/ and /ɔ/).

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bluemoonpunch · 4 months ago

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Relationship Reading for First and Khaotung - Tarot Reading

[This reading covers the relationship dynamic between First (Kanaphan Puitrakul ) and Khaotung (Thanawat Rattanakitpaisan) on a subconscious and energetic level. This particular reading can cover romantic, platonic, and familial relationships and is designed to put a connection between two people into perspective, showcasing what is gained from the relationship and what the highest potential of the connection is. I used The Linestrider’s Journey Tarot for this reading. This spread is an original design by me. This reading lasted less than 1 hour.]

Reading Performed: July 4, 2024

Posted: July 13, 2024

Overall Energy

A lot of cards came out for them here, but in the layout, it seems that First and Khao are well represented in the center two cards with Discrimination (Venus in Virgo) and Harmony (Sun in Libra), reflecting the influence of their respective Sun Signs.

There are a few patterns showing up throughout this set that reflect an intended disconnect on a conscious level as if they are meant to operate on opposite ends of a spectrum but connect or come together through Power (Moon in Scorpio). There’s a strong duality between them which is shown as the butterflies being sent away from First (projected energy) and the birds flying toward Khao (receptive energy). This pattern of duality also runs through the images of the Sun and Moon being separated in certain images, and then pictured together in an eclipse in the Power card. The Sun and The Moon both appear in the main reading as well further showcasing that duality.

At the head of the set, there is the Crown Chakra, which puts a lot of emphasis here on conscious level awareness alongside a kind of sixth sense for each other. It’s almost like they both can be a bit lost when trying to communicate with or understand other people, getting other people to understand them, but with each other, there is an intuitive knowing and emotional connection that is well-received and well-understood on both ends.

This is then followed up by Observer and Co-Create. Following through from the Crown Chakra, the Observer represents their observation of each other. As the perspective shifts from one to the other, the Moon in the sky becomes the Sun. Co-Create also pushes the idea of a distanced connection, almost mirroring the image of Observer as the fox sits on an egg that appears at the bottom of Co-Create. Where the Moon occupies the top left corner of Observer, a cheetah sits at the top left of Co-Create, lining up through Fire energy with the Sun.

With Observer, it’s more literal, as in they keep an eye on each other, study each other to some degree, but in Co-Create there is a line that connects and separates them, the owl symbolizing direct communication.

Co-Creation is expanded on through the display of Discrimination and Harmony with Venus in Virgo (First) and the Sun in Libra (Khao). You can take the words quite literally in the sense of Discrimination being where things can be separated and Harmony being where things come together. It can also show duality between a person who is very selective, logical, and clinical in their way of operating, while the other is more carefree and creative with their expression and action. They seem to have one of those dynamics where First can anchor Khao and keep him calm while Khao can lift First up and make him more playful.

Again, they operate perpetually at opposite ends of a spectrum but are shown to come together well in Power (Moon in Scorpio). There’s qutie a bit of layers to this one. Superficially, I see the Sun and Moon coming together within the confines of that stone archway as them coming together on screen, painted in a pink light that contrasts to the blue sky around them, being watched by the audience below. That is their more superficial co-creation, the work they do together. They’re quite a powerful and effective on-screen couple, generating that pink light themselves to some degree with their natural chemistry.

Along with this, as the Moon can be quite secretive and Scorpio/8th House can be a place we hide things from others and ourselves, there’s a certain suggestion here of this being rooted in something more genuine. As in, their on-screen chemistry may be rooted in a genuine attraction for each other that they limit in their personal lives as friends, but explore a bit more freely on-screen or through their characters. So, we can kind of look at the Sun and Moon in the image as either being on screen, or being “behind closed doors” where the attraction may even be kept secret from each other. Not in a too-dramatic or detrimental way, just a more mindful, boundary-respecting way.

I also want to point out the progression of the cards through Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio, marking the 6th, 7th, and 8th House. This could suggest that they are crucial to each other for personal progression and development. This can be directed at their careers, their personal well-being (mental and emotional), and higher aspects of soul development as well.

Following this set, they then have the asteroid Juno. Juno is labeled as ��The Partner,” and emphasizes balance in relationships. It feels a bit rooted in Virgo/Mercury energy with how clinically observant the description of this card is toward relationships and curating them into something that is beneficial for both sides, respecting both sides. Potentially giving reason or backing to the secrets behind Power, Juno is very careful with how relationships progress, encouraging conversation and constant check-ins with the other person to make sure you’re on the same page and moving at the same pace.

Alongside that, at the very end, they have the Page of Swords which, for the most part, seems to completely oppose Juno with how quick and eager the Page is to establish communication and develop relationships. If I had to guess, I’d say Juno and the Page of Swords represent each of the guys with how they approach their relationships. Given the energies of Discrimination and Harmony, I would put Juno in First’s hands and the Page of Swords in Khao’s, but this could also be a matter of internal versus external connection or how they handle the connection. As in, internally they both are eager to really dive into this connection, but externally, more logically, professionally, they lay boundaries and mind them well, checking in with each other often.

Overall, there’s something quite FRESH about this energy here, like fresh air. It feels easier to breathe when I focus on this energy between them. This may reflect how they feel with each other, where they can relax and simply breathe together. It makes me think of those comfortably quiet relationships where you don’t have to hold a conversation, just sitting together in silence is enough to help you feel calm and refreshed.

First’s Projection: The Moon (rev.) Khao’s Projection: Two of Cups + The Star

This set showcases the energy that each of them are projecting within this relationship. It doesn’t necessarily reflect conscious-level thoughts or emotions.

With First’s projection being the reversed Moon, in relation to Khao’s set, I could go back and assume that Juno is solidly in his hands, while the Page of Swords is solidly in Khao’s. The reversed Moon can suggest hesitation based on an intuitive impulse that may be more rooted in fear, or a heightened awareness of someone else’s emotions. There’s a lot of concern and because of that, he’s quite careful and TRIES to hold his emotions back, but it seems like they flow regardless when it comes to Khao.

I also was seeing the reversed Moon here reflecting The Star on Khao’s side, linking and reflecting each other through Khao’s Two of Cups. It’s almost like The Star is supposed to be The Sun and the reversed Moon is supposed to be an upright Moon, the counterparts, but here there’s just a bit more restriction on First’s side, so that duality is not displayed as evenly in their overall projected energy, which reflects the soul state more than a conscious level projection.

On Khao’s side, the Two of Cups is the only card in Tarot that I can easily associate with love and deeper, more intimate connections. The card displays very clear emotional connection and exchange, along with a mirroring of the selves on multiple levels, as displayed by the cats, hummingbirds, and cups (body, mind, and spirit).

The Star puts Khao’s energy in a very high place. This connection is very, very significant for him and is something that seems to have raised him to a new height. Again, it’s like he’s supposed to be The Sun, be he’s been elevated to something much higher, much brighter by this connection, and he’s very aware of that. He’s very aware, through the Two of Cups, that First has given him something through this relationship that has made him shine brighter.

It’s so funny because it’s like First can see that too, can see that there’s a very clear reflective, dualistic aspect to their connection that is very significant, but he’s holding back on it as not to overstep or make things uncomfortable. I really don’t think it would be uncomfortable for either of them, but this is a mix of Libra and Virgo, so I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised by this.

How First Sees Khao: Queen of Pentacles How Khao Sees First: Temperance (rev.)

This set shows how, within their current state, dynamic, and projections, they see each other. Starting with Khao’s card, he sees First within their connection as Temperance in reverse, which mainly came through as a version of the Two of Cups in reverse. In other words, he sees or feels that First is not really “joining him” on that level, or engaging with that aspect of their relationship as much. I feel this being centered heavily in Air energy, and I’m seeing it as, in its reversed position, the water spilling out of the cups and leaving behind a void of uncertainty or a lack of clarity about thoughts or feelings.

On some level, on a more personal level, it seems that with Temperance and The Moon both being in reverse, that there is a bit of emotional blocking or denial, which could also fall under aspects of Power and secrecy.

On the upside, First sees Khao as the Queen of Pentacles, which I feel any Libra would be flattered by. He sees Khao as someone quite strong in their power, perhaps a little stubborn, who curates and enjoys beauty and luxury, while also being very dedicated and serious about their work and appearance. There’s a very soft and gentle nature that is expressed in this card, and seems to be something First is very drawn to and comforted by.

Current State of Relationship: The Sun Highest Potential: Judgement (rev.) + Six of Cups (rev.)

The current state of the relationship is represented here by The Sun, the most positive and uplifting card in the entire deck. It comes with a lot of prosperity, success, happiness, balance, and a sense of freedom around expansion of knowledge and creation. It’s a luminary so it can come with a slight sense of being over-exposed, which again, could go back into Power with the Moon in Scorpio, and certain aspects being kept secret, or certain aspects being limited for the sake of remaining professional and considerate of their friendship as it is now.

The Sun makes it feel like they are either at their peak, or are perpetually rising within their peaks together. This again brings to mind the idea of the Sun and Moon always, in a sense, being on opposite sides of the world to each other, constantly chasing each other, only able to really connect in those rare moments of a solar eclipse.

While The Sun could have a bit of tension to it, mostly there’s just a lot of beauty, a lot of appreciation for each other as they see each other as a “light” in their life, something that will help them grow and guide them through uncertain situations, and maybe even guide them through aspects of themselves internally.

The highest potential of their relationship at the current moment is represented by Judgment and the Six of Cups, both reversed. This doesn’t feel quite like a literal highest potential, more so it feels like this is reflecting a desired destination for their souls within the current phase of progression. These reversed cards suggest here the release of judgement and the release of the past. It’s like these cards are marking a threshold into another level of their relationship that they will not be able to reach unless they remove some of their own restrictions.

Judgement feels more related to external aspects, as in literal people outside of them potentially judging them, or them being afraid of being judged, criticized, or even punished. This could be related to Juno in terms of fearing retribution or bad outcomes if things were to progress further, both in terms of their careers and their personal friendship.

The Six of Cups is more internal. When upright, it’s quite positive in relation to childhood and positive memories or connections of the past. This could be a matter of having experienced friendships like this before where there were a lot of big feelings that grew past the lines of friendship and unfortunately collapsed the relationship entirely. This could be rooted in something entirely unrelated that just happens to affect their (or First’s) sense of security within a relationship like this and therefore doesn’t want to cross lines out of fear of not being able to undo it.

It really does just all strike me as an incredibly deep, and emotionally fueled friendship that borders on the edge of a romantic connection but is healthily kept at bay for the sake of each other and their circumstances. While there is room here for some ups and downs, certainly some space for conflict, there’s just a deep knowing or sense within them that lets them know that this is the person they need right now in their life in order to progress the way that they want to on all levels.

I will say that it doesn’t seem like their relationship is one that is meant to last forever, at least not in this state. It is supposed to progress into something new, but it’s not clear to me if that’s a relationship that is closer, more intimate, or a relationship that honors the distance between the Sun and the Moon.

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