#kh3 remind spoilers

[endlessskymaster]

The foreshadowing of Riku and Sora's fates.

Much later...

We know that Sora eventually finds himself in the nighttime version of the final world. Yozora likely assists him in reaching Quadratum, or perhaps Sora manages to get there by other means via the wild card Luxord gave Sora. Meanwhile, Riku is currently embarking on his own journey to Quadratum.

And from the KH3 secret ending, we do see Yozora staring down at Riku.

[a-crack-in-the-universe]

Terraqua things I love in KH3:

* Aqua looking sad when she’s hanging out with Ven in the Mysterious Tower world, because she’s (probably) missing Terra. And Ven noticing and cheering her up by taking out his wayfinder and saying that they can share stories when Terra's back.

* Ven mistakes Terranort for Terra in the Keyblade Graveyard, but Aqua knows it’s not him. <3

* Aqua raising her keyblade at Terranort in anger after he tried to play mind games with Ven. “Quit using our friend to play your games!” And then her awesome speech about how she's going to cast Xehanort out of Terra forever.

Aqua reuniting with Terra, and Terra telling her that she never stopped guiding his way back, implying that she is his light. I love how it looks and sounds so much like a love confession. <3

And finally, that moment in Scala in Xehanort's Heart, where Aqua becomes scared of losing Terra again and grabs his arm to stop him from confronting Xehanort. Terra then gives Aqua such a soft, gentle look like he's telling her to trust him and that he'll be okay. It's so sweet! :')

[ashlaf99]

Found this for my Kairi cosplay! It looks a heck of a lot like her heart that Sora puts together in ReMind!

[invidiatechdemo]

I know I already mentioned this once in a jokepost, but I do really think that the establishment of the concept of Quadratum and like, 'Fiction/Unreality' in the kingdom hearts setting could and imo SHOULD result in a possible reexamination of what 'Nothingness' is and means in Kingdom Hearts cosmology, too, or at least some sort of discussion about how the concept of a Nobody, a being that doesn't fade from existence through will and whatnot, and how this interacts with the things we Do know about Quadratum.

Like. There... certainly something about how TWTWN is this like, empty cityscape with screens, and the few things we know about the afterworld that is Quadratum is... well, a city, ntm the fact that the Aerial Blades, something associated deeply with 'nothingness' conceptually have a similar red glow to some of Yozora's attacks, etc etc.

... There's also the far funnier consideration that from what little we know about Quadratum's relationship to the KH setting we know, Luxord is possibly traditional isekai protagonist-adjacent in concept, but that's a story for another day, I think.

[nyctoheart]

I'd like to post a theory/analysis soon because I'm writing something for the podcast and it is SO HARD to separate theories that might not even be correct from the actual facts so.... I'm going to write it here instead LMAO.

it'll be about KH2 unlocking gates and KH3+ReMind, where the crown appears under Sora, and Sora connecting all these different keyholes to resurrect Kairi

[ok4ru]

I think Sora's reality is a game in the quadratum world. It would make sense since Yozora is perceive as a video game in his world.

Then, when they first meet, they already know each other but what find interesting Yozora seems shock by that it’s Sora but I think because mostly of his appearance. In his world video game could look how he originally looks in the KH4 trailer.

I also feel like that draws back to the line of Yozora saying that the form that he was in isn’t what he looks like. Now, I don’t know why people to take this line as being “Oh, Yozora is somebody else.” like no. He just has whole different appearance like kh4 Sora…

[greetings-inferiors]

This video is so fucking good man lmao

I agree with almost all of it, Kingdom hearts 3 is my favourite game in the series.

Spoilers for practically all of kingdom hearts 3 btw

also that ending is hysterical

[z4g-reus]

I just had a brain blast moment. Does Saïx have 8 claymores in his KH3 data fight? I remember counting 7 in a video, and I almost feel compelled to play the ReMind just to make sure.

Because if he does; that would mean he'd have a claymore for each moon phase :D and if he doesn't, then that's just a big missed opportunity :')

[endlessskymaster]

Sora spends his final moments with Kairi before he fades away 😢

[embraceyourdestiny]

HOLY FUCK (slay the princess spoilers!!)

The Narrator explains that the more you walk away from the cabin the more paths appear that lead to the cabin until its all laid out before you that everywhere you go leads to the cabin its impossible to not get to the cabin (at least as far as you know...) and this visual representation of the meta presence of every possible branching path in slay the princess drawn so clearly is BLOWING MY MIND!!!!

usually with meta it stays purely of the mind in video games its kind of hard to portray the eldritch horror of a consciousness of the "rules" of this universe, everything to do with being 'unchained' in kh, the matrix, the good place does this, cartoons like adventure time do this, a wrinkle in time does this, a game that i can think of that actually does do this is life is strange the ability to time travel and realm jump and if i remember correctly seeing the butterfly itself is showing tangible proof of the butterfly effect and it truly is almost some like deific being exacting these events and forming a connection with max (god that reminds me life is strange is so good i was OBSESSED with it) but with video games its not usually tangible its not a place you can go and see and live in because of modeling and this shows how much being 2d really helps slay the princess in portraying the multiverse the multiselves theuniverse shattering reality bending stuff that is going on and it is SO WELL DONE every piece of art is so beautiful and breathtaking god i love this GAME!!!! (kh has also done this with 2d they established it in khux and worked it out in kh3/the dlc!! 2d rules theres so many anime movies that are "trippy" but its this god i love meta so so much it makes my mind feel good mmm i love stp so much

[teacupconfections]

in the Year of our Lord 2020 when Good Omens x Kingdom Hearts 3 reMind crossover possessed my soul 🤍✨

the attack is called "ONE HEART" lik cmonnnn

SPOILER KH3 reMind clip (start at 1:35) for those who havent played yet (^w^

[hyouta]

I watched χ, Back Cover, Union χ and then played 0.2

Hoo boy...

The plot of Kingdom Hearts isn't super duper complicated, no, what's complicated is the rebranding on Union χ, I completely blanked on there being Unchained, which became UX...

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I got mixed results on whether or not I should've watched or skipped χ chi but because it was on a suggested play order list I watched it over the New Year. My KH notes (that I started writing separately since re:coded) went from 2.5 pages to 11 pages alone. To be honest it was necessary for me to consume the information in this format. Disney world visits were alright but after the first hour I ended up playing the video at x1.5 speed to get through it slightly faster.

I got hooked right after finishing Agrabah. Ooooh what a lot to take in... I admit it's still a bit confusing to follow with it being dependant on what union you pick but I'm invested. I know who Luxu is from KH3 spoilers but that only makes me more curious.

I'm not going to write out 9 pages of notes, especially since it's just me describing what was happening, but:

I honestly don't know what to make of Cloud. My knowledge of him is limited to KH and Advent Children but damn he "really was gonna kill the Player and then went off to look for 'some guy' in the underworld (sephiroth? I assume? Never played FF7)"; it was sephiroth lol

I think that's the problem with not having played FF (or watched Tron), I ain't got a scooby doo what is going on or what anyone's motivations are

Mr "I'm so aloof" lol

My genuine surprise over Chirithy being a dream eater lol I don't know I just didn't expect a talking one, it seems so unique to the rest; though Riku talks so what am I saying.

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And OK... SO back cover was nice to fill in the blanks re: foreteller stuff and it gave me better clarification for one of my notes which was confusion on whose role was whose because it made it seem like it was dependant on the player (but not really?) - side note, been a while but I'm pretty sure I picked Union Ursus, he's a bit of a hard head but I couldn't help but feel bad for him anyway...

Some notes I made on back cover:

I can't read the text in this opening sequence it's too fast hold up

"Among us" I hate this I hate this, I haven't even played that game but that's all I could think of!!

Shaking chirithy in the vial like a shaker charm

Didn't expect Ava to be so young, or sound so young... Master and Luxu surprised me too

"Invi sort of reminds me of Aqua" whatever the fuck that means, I've already forgot

I had limited info on the Master but they were wayyy different than I expected

Lost page talks about "the one who bears the sigil" umm??

Concluded that χ chi wasn't really necessary... I thought it more for the Player context (the bangles and nightmare Chirithy).

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A bit naughty to break the order but because I already had the PS4 on I played 0.2 and cleared it in 3 hours. Honestly both this and BBS might be the most replayable games in the series for how easy to take in they are (for rpgs).

Didn't have a ton of things to say but:

PLEASED TO SAY I DIDN'T GET MOTION SICK!!

So... Mickey didn't know Aqua was in the dark world until KH1, where did the whole 10 years thing come from then?

Cute outfits for a dark game, Aqua can have a little bit of cutesy fun, as a treat

I'm telling my kids this is Layers of Fear

I can't remember if I've said this before but even though KH is a jrpg I wish it had more puzzles and platforming

Same with BBS I literally put my face in my hands and grieved for Aqua noooooooo;;

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I started the fandubbed version of UX and realised that every part, in part 1, I had already covered so I skipped this (no idea if anything was rewritten).

This dub skipped the Disney worlds so there's only a few things I'm missing out on I suppose, but not the end of the world if it's not super plot heavy. I might look for them after I finished the series.

More notes:

I knew Ven and Lauriam were in UX but I didn't know anything about their roles so I got excited to see them announced as dandelions and the new union leaders*

The twist of Ven not actually being the original choice was cool but man my heart hurts for him

Them talking about a fictional universe within a fictional universe gives me major brain ache but with the context we have for KH4 I am interested in seeing where it leads

Cause I do not really understand the Master's/Luxu's intention or role and I think that's the point but I don't quite understand their characters yet...

Honestly feel so so bad for the Player(s), KH is nothing but pain...

Since I watched UX dubbed I got to work on some wips, but then I got tired of pausing to open my notes app and just started writing in a new canvas.

Turns out the most confusing part of KH for me (along with UX branding) is the Disney worlds and their place in time.

(The song I linked to from my playlist, if anyone cares. It's basically how I feel consuming so much information)

Got me out here feeling like Sora.

The age of fairytales has me asking so many questions... lore related and questions wondering how our present cast will fit into the advancing story.

Me: I want everyone to get to rest and live their lives!

Also me: ok but give me more story of them anyway.

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I'm finally onto KH3! It might take me longer to get through due to how much I can play it but I'm hoping to finish the series by the end of January (I've played MoM up to the final part with new story and I will watch Dark Road afterwards of course).

Excited to actually start waiting for KH4 with the rest of you lol.

[nyctoheart]

I'm torn with khux/khdr/kh3's developments with Ventus and Vanitas because part of me always loved that they are 2 halves of the same coin, and how connected they were. But I also think the idea of Ventus and Vanitas being ancient beings of light or darkness is also sooo coooool

[semi-imaginary-place]

ffxv episode ignis, ardyn, dawn of the future

episode ignis: what awkward placement. this explains why ravus turned against niflhiem and the ring deal but it's got so many endgame spoilers and assumes players have played the ending. see this is an argument for why dlc is a bad thing it reminds (ha!) me of kh3 where games now days are designed to be incomplete and dlc is story mandatory so one game for the price of 2 but worse i actually prefer smt digital devil saga and persona 2's duology format which are each complete story arcs instead of this 93% 7% dlc deal. ff15 in general isn't the best (or the worst) at explaining what is going on so it's hard to follow why things are happening without this extra material. ffxv isn't even that bad the story is coherent without the dlc mostly, but it still bothers me. dod3 goes so much in the opposite direction it's funny it's not even a videogame anymore it's a multimedia project gotta rake in the cash.

anyways ignis is the devs favorite isn't he. alternate end is well done and i loved the lore but im not sure it should exist. first choices i dont think ignis would give up if it was for noct. if chosen ignis pays his life to surpass his limit and draw from the ring's power why isn't he dead. look i get that the crystal is a giant magic plot breaking plot device but there's got to be narrative limits. deus ex lunafreya. things went a little too well sure they got some ardyn-less free time but he's shown by the throne so he's out againwhy hasn't he killed ravus or something. which btw wow ravus is the one thing holding the universe together and the darkness from taking over should have tried harder to keep him alive huh (also this isn't how genomics and inheritance works like if every generation has 2 kids that's exponential number of oracle descendants). and why is noctis still alive did they just not destroy ardyn? if they didn't permanently end ardyn great job kicking the can down the road and passing over the super special chosen king, who knows if any one else in the future can do it. the main problem though as with any alternate route in any story is the risk of cheapening or downgrading the main story. mostly it just comes off as the writers being indecisive.

it feels like the writers are relying on lunafreya and the crystal to just be miracle workers and move the plot however they want. it also cheapens making the player choose between not using the ring and losing to ardyn, using some of the power at the cost of eyesight but that not being enough, and trading your life for the power to take down ardyn like it's suppose to be a hard choice but the writers take the consequences away

episode ardyn: i get that they're trying to do a whole oracle king romance parallel but well actually ffxv already has no respect for how ancestry and genomics actually work so why do i bother. oh aera is the og oracle. flueret and the oracles are her descendants but she was betrothed to ardyn and died so did she have kids before marriage or what is going on. really with the whole absorbing and (kinda) neutralizing the starscourge and healing people of it ardyn should have been the oracle and the ancestor of the flueret line and if they wanted to avoid the incest undertones just make it them not brothers so that caelum and flueret were political rival families both trying to get the throne. (except isn't tenebrae on another continent... eh it doesn't matter tenebrae being 200 mi closer to insomnia wouldn't have made a difference to the story). maybe it's the insomnia (ha!) but im liking this idea more and more like maybe the original prophecy wasn't a savior/warrior king so much as just a savior/fighter of darkness and so ardyn almost became the oracle king

yeah the writers have lost me i've stopped caring. the whole ardyn thing always felt messy like the want this embodiment of darkness and evil but they also want him to be tragic but they also want him to be noctis' foil but also luna's foil and the writers don't juggle all this narrative weight well, something has to give. Like somnus sucks but the narrative treats him as having divine providence and ultimately doing the right thing when no that was neutral at best. ffxv is so stuck in this binary of good and bad unwilling to truly transgress the boundary they have drawn between good light divine, and evil darkness taint. and then bahamut comes down and tells ardyn that his role is to bring darkness. and like what this is such a major reveal either it shouldn't be here at all or it should be in the main game. because this proves that the 6 aren't on humanity's side like much of the cast believes, bahamut isn't acting for the sake of humanity or the world they're acting to bring forth this prewritten script. i think this is my least favorite dlc, it's very messy writing wise.

skimming through the cancelled dlc and dawn of the future, the dlc since episode ignis seemed to have been veering off in a new direction probably best that it was cancelled because this new thematic direction would have been better tackled in a sequel or side game. in main ffxv the gods are distant and fate is a reassurance a comfort that one has purpose in life. where as the dlc episode ignis and ardyn are about the flipside of that how destiny and fate can also be a shackle, it's about defying the gods.

Like they wanted ardyn to be this kind self sacrificial healer but then dropped that character trait with no continuity like they could have made it that he had a savior complex and ego but that didn't come through or they could have made it about how he felt the people owed him and now feels betrayed by everyone but i didn't get that either. btw quarantine and prevention and vaccination are scientifically better than curing individuals when it comes to infectious diseases irl. so ardyn's characterization is someone who cares about the small scale and individual even when it's to the detriment of the greater whole, and that characterization got dropped. there's also how ardyn's turning evil only happened in the last like 30 years so his turn towards revenge narratively feels rushed it would have been nice seeing the daemonification and memory reading eating at him in stages. or i mean there was 2000 years could have had him conscious the whole time and stewing in misery turning over the same thoughts over and over reliving aera's death and having that drive him insane. oh yeah and bahamut pops up out of no where. bahamut is so plot breaking it begs the question why he didn't intervene in main game more.

dawn of the future great lunafreya is alive again. see this is the problem of having plot breaking super gods you cheapen their original deaths by making death meaningless. now that can be an interesting story in of itself but it contradicts xv main game's themes. this is also the luna ardyn show where as in maingame these two are barely secondary characters. noctis, gladio, ingis, and prompto are the main characters of ffxv butt they aren't plot important so don't show up here at all. all this definitely should have been a separate game. yeah all of this dc should have been a separate story imagine if we got lunafreya as the main character. like hey remember what i said earlier about ardyn absorbing miasma as a parallel to lunafreya? also wasn't the oracle bloodline holding back the darkness aka the apocaylse happened when ravus died well since the writers brought luna back shouldn't that change. i think the writers didn't think through killing luna. she's so lore important but she does nothing in main game. see they flip the script of noctis being the chosen king instead he just happened to be the dude around when ardyn woke up which is interesting but again very very different thematically from main game. wow the writers really went wild with this, kinda cool really good concepts but this and maingame are separate stories.

see fiction needs rules that's how you build tension when you throw the rules out the window things just become a mess with no stakes. which can be interesting and also very post modern absurd but that's not what's happening here. like so much emphasis was put on the cost the ring of lucii and king powers have. that regis is aging faster than he should that it took noctis 10 years to absorb the ring's half of the power and then to throw it out or how ardyn was showed to have daemonified pernamently with no way to cleanse the miasma and then haha jk there's no consequences because gentianta healed them! that's such an asspull you build up all these stakes only to say last minute that they don't matter. which again can be done for a thematic point like the writers could have really leaned into how humanity are just playthings and the gods have absolute power and decide the facts of the world (like yeah get meta and absurd with it kill luna 45 times and bring her back, nothing has meaning nothing matters!) but the writers didn't succeed in this and also this type of story is very difficult to tell.

thinking about this more and totally could have been a side game or compilation of episodes. Persona 2 did it where Eternal Punishment overwrote the ending of Innocent Sin and the two are rather tonally and thematically different.

[goldensunset]

alright alright look. some may think it laughworthy that this would even be a debate. obviously release order makes the most sense but like. up until a certain point. namely the issue with the age of fairytales. the fact of the matter is that union x was released in staggered episodes over a number of years. during which a variety of other significant things happened in between. such as the 0.2 tech demo game and a movie concerning the age of fairytales itself and oh idk an entire numerical main title that had been longed for since 2005…,,.

like that is a Thing to think about. yeah you should go do khux after ddd but then do you complete all of khux and risk spoilers for kh3/remind/mom? or do you take an awkward break and play kh3 after the lauriam and elrena episode and risk spoilers for khux and then come back and do the rest. lol

in any case i’m not sure i’m interested in hearing square enix’s two cents on the matter bc i don’t entirely trust em but like i think it’s a fair puzzle to try to work out

insane move by squeenix. do i dare watch it

[dehliadelights]

i just wish to reiterate the well known fact of vanitas' japanese translation being actually really bittersweet.

"it's my reason for being born. it is because i am darkness, that you both belong to the light, able to exist there. if that isn't 'working together' i don't know what is."

vs. the english version.

"because i am darkness. and i do stand by your side. i'm the shadow that you cast. how much closer could i be?"

it's not just a case of "lol i am darkness", but that's how the english version of the game makes it seem. it's a case of "because i am on this side, you get to be on that side". vanitas is jealous of ventus because HE is the one to be on the side of light, to have people that love and care for him. but he's resigned to his fate, he was created from the darkness in ventus' heart, and he knows that in the end, he doesn't belong in the realm of light.

but he doesn't want ven to know his jealousy. he's too prideful to accept help from anyone, especially ventus.

ventus: "there is no need to bother with who is with the light and who is with the darkness, i am me and you are you, it's fine to live freely the way we want."

vanitas: "freely? yeah, i am living freely... in this way."

vanitas HESITATES for a split second. he hears ventus basically asks him if he really wants to vanish into the darkness he was born from, and vanitas hesitates. he doesn't want to accept his other half's offer, he's too prideful.

ventus: "is living trapped in the darkness freedom to you?"

no, it isn't, but vanitas won't admit that. instead, his reply?

vanitas: "this is how i chose to live my life."

ventus: "i see."

vanitas doesn't say 'yes' to ventus, he DEFLECTS the question by saying "this is the life i live". he says 'chose', but he never got the choice. he was created because ven had the choice, he chose not to summon the 𝑥-blade. that's the reason vanitas was created in the first place, so it could be formed another way.

kingdom hearts at it's finest.