#jype just has historically bad handling of their boy groups its a bit........hm

[sanstropfremir]

i vaguely remember this when i was younger where jyp said that he told his male idols to "look at how a female dances and study their moves." (not sure if this was verbatim but something along those lines.) and the reason is because they are more fluid. this popped in my head when i saw a comment that said jyp groups, overall, have better dancers than the other big companies and sm groups have the worst dancers. e.g. although kai is widely known to be one of the best dancers from 3rd gen, exo are not good dancers (baekhyun, chanyeol, and d.o. struggling to keep up during debut). the same is said about taemin and shinee members (jonghyun and onew are not good dancers).

what are ur thoughts? i'm not entirely sure if the newer generation of jyp male groups were taught this (got7 + skz) because jyp himself wasn't as involved as he was with bi rain + 2pm. i don't follow got7 + skz to develop an opinion but definitely when i look at bi rain and 2pm, i feel like they're very strong dancers. bi rain - well, yeah. dude influenced a whole generation of male idols. and for 2pm, wooyoung is a really good dancer. acrobatics were 2pm's main selling point but as they progressed in their careers and their dances became less focused on that, his skills stand out.

i hate that you made me publicly admit that jyp was right about something but unfortunately, he does have a point. to be a good dancer means that you have to be fluid in your movements, but also that you have have the utmost control over all types of movements too. which does mean letting go of the more 'gendered' stereotypes that come with kpop choreographies. so yea, telling guys to watch how women move is great advice, because women historically have functioned under a lot of pressure to be fluid and graceful in their movements, regardless of if dance is involved.

and yes i broadly agree that jype groups are collectively the best dancers and sm groups are the worst, but i think it comes from the companies having two different methodologies when it comes to how they cast trainees and who even auditions in the first place. sm collectively has weaker dancers despite being a very prominent company because yes they are known for vocals, but this isn't the whole of it: sm tends to look for people who are standout in one specific area, be it in vocals, dance, or visuals. that's why sm has a lot of 'dozens', but at the same time some of the top tier standout idols in particular fields. and because they have the longest history and those outstanding idols, they attract the types of auditionees that fit that model. yes baekhyun and kyungsoo and jonghyun and jinki are not good dancers, but they quite handily some of the best vocals on the scene. and when you pair that with the best dancers on the scene, the lows don't matter because the highs are so high.

jype on the other hand, both looks for more well rounded talent and also tends to attract dancers because of rain. and yes i would say that both got7 and skz have very strong dance bases. got7 i would argue has probably the best collective dance skills of any third gen group and they also continued the tricking legacy started by 2pm; there's a viral 2x speed dance of if you do (from when they were basically still rookies) and they have three main/lead dancers: yugyeom, jaebeom, and jackson. some poor insane soul put together a carrd of the history of every boy at jype, which shows just how many of the core dancers in boy groups passed through at some point: jo kwon, shownu (who trained with got7), kino (pentagon main dancer), jhope (auditioned but didn't pass), seyong (myname main dancer), dongwoo (infinite main dancer), sungjun (boys republic main dancer), hansol (former toppdogg lead dancer and now an actual choreographer), byeongkwan and yuchan (a.c.e), u (onf main dancer), all the members of highlight, and all the members of ab6ix, just to name a few.

i don't know that either strategy is better or worse; they've both produced results that are good in technical skill and in popularity, i think it just depends on fans' personal opinions.