#jvorce

[eisforeidolon]

I find it funny how that one person tried to make out they were doing different cons to avoid each other and then this con J2 revealed not only do they keep each with each others cons but jensen knew wales comic con wasn’t in wales

Right?

Not too surprising, though, because fandom loves to cherry-pick.

Let's say for the sake of argument that you could actually tell the state of Jensen & Jared's friendship just from their public statements and actions. I actually don't think that's true, but let's just go with it for the sake of argument. Certain fans want to pick out just the things that fit their agenda and count only those as important. Aha! Jensen bought a house away from Austin, it must be to get away from Jared! Aha! Jensen and Jared are scheduling less conventions together, they must be avoiding each other! Except they are still actively booking a lot of cons together. Except they still have their same dynamic onstage. Except Jensen knew about not!Wales con. Etc.

If you actually want to try and figure out the whole picture, you have to actually look at all the available data. You can't just arbitrarily ignore the stuff that doesn't fit your hypothesis as irrelevant background noise for ... reasons. That's how you end up writing the equivalent of bad D/C meta, whatever the subject.

[neon-mooni]

And now a Shitpost about the Jvorce.

[ghostthingeggo]

Ugh fine, created by my husband @tiddy-socks

[jvorce-blog1]

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[youmightbeanidiotif]

Lol are you sure the Jvorce didn’t happen? In my opinion it did, they are not the same and prequel gate showed they were never as close as they said, it started before lockdown imo. As a former J2 stan I tell you that mess made me realize I was wrong about them, they are just for show, you don’t betray your friend like that sorry.

Sorry (not sorry) that your grand fantasy didn't pan out and Jensen didn't ditch Jared and Jared didn't ditch Jensen because J2 have a strong foundation built on family and friendship and love. Maybe try getting some friends so you'll learn how that works lol.

(in re)

[freakygirlie]

everyone is like j2 fallout jvorce ! and j2 are crying on the phone with each other going "do you want to direct my show" "do you want to produce my show" "🥺🥺🥺" STOP THEY'RE ILL SJSNDNMSKDLF

[cooloddball]

so there was a lot to unpack here @whengeorgiawentblue so i had to sit down, stew in it and also brain storm about it with someone because wow because i wanted to responded with something comprehensive.

like yeah i get what you mean 100% and i understand why you feel the way you do so here is what i think:

first of all, i do think that they shared more of themselves with us in 2019 because they at least wanted to be more open about their relationship without actually coming out for the reasons i had stated above.

also, what they have is still a poly relationship because jensen is married, misha and vicki are separated (not divorced yet) doesn’t make it any less of a poly relationship. a poly relationship can exist even between couples and singles (remember that poly relationship misha nad vicki were in with a woman that didn't end well because they both fell in love with her?) let's remember that dee is still very much a part of the equation because she is jensen's wife and also loves misha to bits.

the other thing is that i don’t think that they are just friends with benefits. they are far too busy, and getting older to waste time with it.They’re not in their 20’s and 30’s anymore, working together and boning just to take the edge off. maybe their relationship may have started out like that but they are 💯 in love or at least i believe they are.

maybe there's something in their dynamic from their younger selves that may have changed but as you grow and mature, you don’t need to still be all googly eyed (though Jensen very much still is). they just had a panel together a few months ago and they were very flirty. and we also got those photos of them together and also with dee from the cw upfronts looking all in love and shit. they also flirted on social media just yesterday over stugate. maybe it's just me but they are still the same old cockles but just more mature, more secure, and settled.

i agree misha isn’t with Darius or Michelle (who, again, called misha who is herfreaking boss a queer man on twitter and instead of retracting the statement she just deleted and said we aren’t going to talk about other people) that is not sus at all, no.

the issue about jensen divorcing dee to be with misha feels way off track. like they've been together for 13 years and it has worked so far. jensen loves dee, that's clear as day. he also loves misha and they all have a good thing going. if he did that so he would be with misha alone i would definitey lose all respect for him (i love that man, he's 99% of my blog and my dash so that would be just too much for me to take from him) but the jensen i know would never hurt anyone and especially someone he loves. i think he would've rather stayed single way back in 2009 than marry dee and do that to her. no, i do not agree with you on that sentiment.

the other thing was on misha dating. i mean yeah it could be tricky being that they are both famous, wellnot a-list famous but still faous enough to make headlines. remember the coming out scandal, the jvorce etc. misha is poly and has been way before he even set his eyes on jensen ross ackles . i'm pretty sure that he and vicki made a lot of contacts in the poly community and therefore if he needed a poly person to date, he'd know how to go about it. . i'm also sure there are a lot more poly people in hollywood than we know or suspect because it's not something that is ever talked about in mainstream media. there are also poly dating apps and stuff and therefore, he sure can't be stuck being single (which he technically isn't because hello, jensen is his bf/husband of years?)

i also don’t think misha is miserable about the situation. i also don’t think he particularly is happy about whatever shoved him back in the closet (god knows that must've been tough) but also don't believe that his retraction has/ had anything to do with jensen or should be blamed on jensen. it was probably much too soon or something nefarious happened and he had to retract?? i wish i had answers about this whole saga but only time will tell. maybe we will get answers sooner than we think.

on jealousy, i think Jensen gets jealous when or if people outside of their polycule are flirting or touching misha. i mean who wouldn't be if their significant was doing that, it means he cares. that notwithstanding, i highly doubt that he would dare tell misha that he couldn’t get another partner and remain to appear single for all eternity. i mean jensen wants misha to be happy and i think if misha wanted to be with someone else, jensen would be agreeable but they could all have to lay down some ground rules like, agree that if he dates someone who is poly, that the new partner would that he has another partner, who is also is a hollywood star and that the hollywood star's privacy was paramount and therefore, for his , he can’t disclose their identity until he knows that the relationship is going somewhere. i know this sounds taxing but i know for a fact this has worked for years in hollywood and that's how everyone stays rich and happy. i mean it would suck to have to rebuild a new relationship with someone new especially after they had been happy together with vicki for over a decade and the new person may not want there to be secrets but i think misha would choose jensen over someone who didn't respect their wishes and that's okay and it would mean that wasn't the right person anyway.

and i agree with you, some tinhattery is way too unhinged but to each their own i guess. i like to be realistic and maybe sometimes i may also tinhat or be too rational about them but we are all just here trying to have some fun and watch these two old men love each other and make us go crazy.

finally i can't end this long post without saying that you had me howling with the whole 'while Jensen was playing golf and socializing with the big fishes of the industry, Misha was, idk, hidden in the basement of the hotel like the hunchback of Notre Dame?'

Let me add to what anon said about Misha retracting his bisexuality claim. Months leading up to his coming out there was a lot happening in cons. We had the eiffel tower in vegas turning blue/green for the first time in forever while they were in vegas. Jensen saying 'Easy. I live it' among other things I can't recall. We then had Misha saying he's all 3 and then sharing a panel with him the next day. There's a lot one could derive from the whole thing because in the grand scheme of things it seems like it was something planned but then shit hit the fan and it was all taken away.

Misha did not misspeak because if that was the case he would have apologized the same day or during his panel with Jensen or literally any other time during the weekend. As I said it was planned and maybe they were testing the waters because I've seen some OG cockles blogs speculate that they were about to come out in 2019 and then covid happened. What if they were revisiting the idea and Misha took the initiative then he chickened out and retracted?

i have seen people spec that they wanted to come out in 2019 too but idk if that's the case because why would they? i mean they are happy why destroy that? we (and by we i mean us here in the cockles commune) may be progressive and accepting but the world we live in is shittier than we would wish for it to be. can you imagine the shit their kids would go through? their careers? i mean how many openly (openly being the operative word here) poly people do you know in hollywood?

further, i feel like coming out in 2019 when they'd been together for 10 years (if you buy the 10 year post is their getting together anniversary) when they have 5 kids between them, wives, successful careers, and a happy healthy relationship would be like shooting themselves in their feet.

the other thing i believe is that misha coming out had nothing to do with jesnsen.

these are just my thoughts but i could be wrong.

[eisforeidolon]

It’s starting to look like j2 ARE avoiding each other. Creation cons are now straight up being annouvded without Jared booked to attend. Jensen and Jared are going to the U.K., seperate cons, but the same company, two weeks between each other. J2 are going to Germany - same company, seperate cons again, again, two weeks apart

Ah, yes, Creation announces literally ONE convention without Jared booked in advance ... Jvorce is real!!! Never mind the EIGHT other upcoming Creation conventions that he is currently pre-committed for with Jensen. None of which, so far as I can tell, are reschedules. So apparently they really want to get away from each other ... sometime next year for at least one weekend! *gasp*

It is clear they're doing UK/ComicCon events from the same company at similar times. (If Jared's unspecified European con appearance in May 2024 is Infinity/EE it hasn't been publicly confirmed). Even through the same company, there's presumably a budget for individual convention weekends to make the tickets profitable. As we discussed before, Jared and Jensen aren't cheap, so especially for a convention which isn't SPN-specific? It makes more sense for the organizer to get them on different weekends to try and draw the SPN audience twice over rather than blow more of their load on having both Js one weekend.

Ultimately, you are conflating "aren't actively planning ALL their public appearances together" with "avoiding each other". According to the Supernatural Wiki's upcoming convention list, there are 20 upcoming events at this point through November 2024.

9 where J2 are both confirmed 6 where only one J is confirmed 1 where no Js are confirmed among listed guests 4 with no confirmations of any guests yet

Even if only one J signs up for every one of those 4 events with no confirmations of any guests so far? That would make the number of events through the end of 2024 with J2 versus a solo J ... 9 to 10. If that's what avoiding each other looks like, they're kinda shit at it TBH.

[eisforeidolon]

not only do j2 still do cons together in the same format, they ADDED a meet and greet together. if they hated each other, they don't need to do that.

That's a really good point, anon.

It wasn't that long ago they started adding the J2 duo M&Gs to Creation Cons. Creation Cons that also fairly recently changed their branding to move beyond SPN to include "other J & J projects" - which, as I've pointed out before, would have been a perfectly good excuse to change around the panel configurations if they really wanted to avoid each other.

But nope! Pay no attention to them continuing to schedule those and Jibcon as usual! Only pay attention to what they're doing at the individual European cons that they were largely not doing at all before now.

It's the conspiracy-think of it. I really don't care whether or not anyone thinks J2 are still friends. Hell, I only moderately care if J2 actually are still friends. The part that's completely ridiculous as per usual in (this) fandom? Is trying to cherry-pick their words and actions for "proof" of what certain stans already decided is true - and ignoring anything and everything that doesn't fit.

[eisforeidolon]

What do you think of j2 not even seemingly signing on for cons together anymore

Are you really gonna keep beating this dead horse into dust until it rises again as a bloodthirsty zombie equine of doom? Like, okay, sure I get it, trolls gonna troll, but man, I'm bored. This is the last time I'm going to bother:

J2 aren't booking ALL cons together. To reiterate, as I pointed out the first time, this is not the same thing as booking NO cons together [X]. (Current count between now and end of 2023 is 24 events: 11 with a solo J, 8 with both Js, 5 with no Js announced.) As one of my anons pointed out [X], joint M&G events have been relatively recently added as a regular thing at the cons they do have booked together. And as I and another anon pointed out [X], it would have been very easy for them to ask for at least one of the regular panels to be split to solos when Creation changed the branding/format post-SPN.

Yes, there have been multiple recent Creation cons where Jensen has announced before or without Jared also doing so now in addition to the overseas ones where cost is a major factor. But those 8 cons that they do have booked together aren't some holdover from years ago before this fallout supposedly happened, they were announced relatively recently. So I guess Jared can put up with Jensen (right up directly in person in all those joint panels, ops, and M&Gs) if it's Hawaii. Or Jibcon. Or Chicago. Or. But not the other ones just recently booked in this last wave of announcements, those are different, because ... ??? Get back to me when they literally stop doing cons together instead of people on the internet pretending only the ones they do apart count as significant because reasons.

So why is Jared not booking all the same Creation cons Jensen is specifically in this last set of announcements? Short of him saying something about it, we don't know. There could be event(s) or circumstances he's trying to plan around. Including some reason why committing to additional specific weekends just isn't being done right now - the change is a matter of recent announcements rather than being tied to the chronology of the cons themselves. He could want to just do fewer Creation cons while Jensen doesn't (they are, after all, *gasp* separate people). He's obviously wanting to do more overseas cons and he could be trying to book more of those first or instead. He could be wanting to spend more of his promotional/con time on events that promote him as a solo entity/the star of Walker as a calculated imaging/business move (especially considering what the new CW is like). There could be all kinds of other potentially overlapping reasons we're not privy to that have sweet fuckall to do with Jensen and make that much more sense because of it.

This fandom froths itself into a tizzy over its own damn shadow on any given Thursday. So it's very easy for somebody to pop on anon, stir the pot, and then skulk off until the next anthill they can try to turn into a mountain. The beauty of doing it anon is there's never any accountability whatsoever when the facts of one of these extended conspiracy speculation wank sessions eventually do come to light and it turns out fandom was just being fandom again.

[eisforeidolon]

I’m so annoyed by this J-vorce and Jared and Jensen are avoiding each other crap. Even if they were purposely not doing the same European cons as each other by choice (besides JIB), and not because they cost too much to book together, it still wouldn’t point to them not being friends or disliking each other. They are still actors and wanting to be the main focus of a con (without sharing the spotlight) isn’t exactly a crime or indication of a falling out. It’s business, especially when they haven’t actually started in anything together in three years now. Also, as you’ve pointed out in your posts, they are still doing plenty of cons together, as in almost all North American ones and JIB. And they still do both gold and the main panel together with CE. They don’t have to do that if they don’t want to. The Vampire Diaries bros only do a shared Gold Panel from what I’ve seen. J2 could demand that if they really wanted to.

You also pointed out that we can’t actually tell the state of their relationship based off of just public appearances or cherry-picking things they’ve said. I totally agree with this. But, if how they appear in public counts for anything, I can say they still get along really well in person based on how they acted while doing photo ops together (in between pics, not counting poses that have been requested) as they were in super good moods in Charlotte last weekend when together. I also had their joint Meet & Greet, and while I can’t talk about what they said, I can confirm that they appeared very comfortable with each other and got carried away with reminiscing about joint experiences. I know they are actors, but even in the more "private" setting there was no stilted interaction or awkwardness, and it’s not like we’ve never seen either guy come across slightly awkward with another actor during a panel.

Honestly, even if their friendship has changed, I still enjoy seeing J2 together and I really don’t get a vibe of dislike between them at all, so unless one of them says otherwise, I’m just going to assume they are still friends while also being grown-ups who have busy separate lives. I barely see my own friends because of work any family commitments and we aren’t even actors.

You're absolutely right and clearly too sensible to be in this fandom. Quite honestly, my expectation (well before prequelgate) was that they'd probably make more of a point of promoting themselves and their new projects separately than they actually have done. Because while it looks good to still have friendly relationships with former coworkers, being seen as one half of J2 isn't exactly the most sensible way to promote themselves anymore.

The people who are so obsessed with the idea of them doing literally ANYTHING separately being A Very Important Clue about the state of their relationship that should get super extra special weight because because?

They KNOW their fave!J must hate the other guy now, because they really really desperately want it to be so. They just have to find the right proof, and everyone will have to admit how superior they are for seeing The Truth before everybody else!

Which should sound very familiar, because it's just

They KNOW their ship is real, because they really really desperately want it to be so. They just have to find the right proof, and everyone will have to admit how superior they are for seeing The Truth before everybody else!

wearing a new hat. New day, same old secret decoder rings and fandom is a competition bullshit.

I agree with you, I haven't seen any kind of increased awkwardness in their interactions. Is that because their relationship hasn't significantly changed or because they're just that professional? I have my opinion, but I'm not sitting around breathlessly waiting for the next time they do/don't do a con together thinking surely this time will prove they really can/can't stand each other. Because ... FFS.

[eisforeidolon]

I have been lucky enough to do a couple of meet and greets with them. Not only are they comfortable with each other but they are extremely fond of each other. I don't believe for a second that they are faking it because it's in the body language and their eyes as much as in what they say.

Even if they don't get as much face time as they used to, it is very obvious to me that they talk or text quite a bit and consider each other very close friends if not more. They are still brothers.

I mean, yeah, part of it for me is that if prequelgate really had been that serious of an event for them as to at least permanently dent their friendship of fifteen years? I think that would be a lot harder to hide in the way they talk about and interact with each other than if they just never particularly liked each other in the first place but worked together well.

I would be very surprised from what I've seen (in con videos and interviews) and what others have talked about having seen (that person on the Walker set as well as you and other congoers interacting with them together in M&Gs and ops) - if they really have stopped being friends. However, the time they spend together in the public eye is such a small fraction of their lives overall. They're strangers to me. I always intentionally try to stay wary of assuming I actually know these guys and can see the whole picture.

[eisforeidolon]

Now people are going around anti Jensen fandom blogs telling people that in Europe Jared will only do cons without Jensen, it’s part of the agreement, because Jensen is a terrible friend

The thing is, while they've been the most egregious offenders, hellers have never been the only people in the fandom under the impression that if they just repeat things often enough, that magically makes them true.

So supposedly, Jared has demanded an agreement (with Jensen? with every random con organizer that exists?) where Jensen can't do the same cons as him for being a terrible friend!

But, uh, only outside North America! Er, and when it's not Jibcon, I guess!

For those, he'll not only do the same cons, but continue doing the same panels (when it would be very easy to split them into solos or different configurations)! Those don't count for ... uh ... reasons. This totally makes more sense than that it's pretty expensive for most European cons to afford both Js at the same event. Er, somehow. Trust a random tumblr nobody with an agenda, bro!

Let me know when we get to the part where they start interpreting Jensen's distractingly loud 70s reject shirts as secret signals about the J-vorce.

[eisforeidolon]

Your responses to those anons are always gold lol I spend exactly 0.00000001% of my time thinking sbout destiel or people I don't like yet these people seem obsessed with J2 and dragging Jared (and Jensen if they're toxic stans) and think they have some secret knowledge of their real relationship that the world isn't privy to. Its fascinating and disturbing how far they go over a couple of actors in a now ended cw show (I love spn but man like dean said demons I get people are crazy)

Thanks, anon!

Yeah, it's just so ... weird to me. They're convinced that Jared and Jensen have some secret conspiracy to pretend to still be friends while they loathe each other's guts for the good of the franchise or whatever. Yet these guys, who are professionally employed as actors, who have supposedly actively made the decision to perpetrate this deception, who would only have to keep it up on the random occasional weekend since SPN itself is over?

Are supposedly so terrible at it people can just tell. Rando McFanperson can see through their interactions during the bare couple of hours they have to spend onstage together! Despite scheduling most of their con appearances together still, every time they do something apart it's an obvious signal of their desperation to get away from the other one!

Like, unless they've made the worst financial decisions ever, J2 don't need the money from cons. So they could just ... not do them entirely. Even with the sweet sweet lure of all that cash, they could do solo panels since SPN is no longer ongoing. They could end their contracts with Creation and just happen to always book different other cons - or use the legit excuse other cons can't afford them both.

But no, no, don't look at the whole picture, look at these specific cherry-picked super secret clues only certain special chosen fans are ~*perceptive*~ enough to see the true meaning of!

It doesn't matter what we're talking about, that kind of rationalization is boooooonkers.

[eisforeidolon]

"Jared & Jensen are avoiding each other!"

Have people ever considered that it might be getting more and more expensive to have both of them attending these conventions?

Apparently not.

This is a broadly applicable fandom problem, really. Certain fans get fixated on a thing. Because they're obsessed with it, they think everyone can only be making decisions based around that thing.

Here it's J2's personal relationship. Of course every single decision either J makes is solely based around that, and if you just decipher the ~*right*~ clues, you can see what their relationships is ~*really*~ like!

Other potential reasons? Like that it's expensive to book them together? That they will continue to have different projects and therefore sometimes different availability, even ignoring any personal plans? That they may want to book solo to invite more focus on their current/new/upcoming non-SPN projects? That they may be planning family trips around specific dates for overseas cons? Yadda yadda, so on and so forth?

Nope! It has to be primarily about how they personally feel about each other! Because ... reasons.

Which doesn't even get into the issue where they pick and choose which clues are the ~*right*~ ones. Oh noes, J2 aren't doing one Creation con together? No, no don't look at the context of the other eight that are business as usual, look at this one! Only it is part of the true story! Because ... reasons.