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drunklander · 6 years ago

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Drunj!Der Yells About Outlander

Thoughts on Ep. 410

Attempting Dry January seemed like a great idea. Give my liver a break! Save the money I would have spent on beer! No hangovers! And then I realized that January was literally going to be a month of Rogergate and immediately regretted my decision.

We're at the point in the season where the plot is dumb af so like when watching the episode, it's not so much "is this good" as "is this less shitty than the complete crap the book was." Which is like a really low bar. But this is Outlander, so the bar is always low. So this recap is mostly me being like "this is dumb and bad but they did the bare minimum to make it slightly less shitty than it could have been." (Which, considering it's their job to adapt the books, doesn't make them look very good. Less bad does not equal good.)

So like this episode, is a hot mess at times, but when adjusted for Rogergate is better than I was expecting.

The fuck does the still have to do with the episode to merit being the title card? Jamie’s lie about his hand to Bree doesn’t seem important enough to justify it. But whatever.

Has Bree gotten a haircut? Because even if it’s not straightened, it’s wayyy shorter than it would be if it was just curly but at the same length it was when it was straight.

Also Jamie’s bangs are still a crime against humanity.

This concludes Der Fixates on Wigs.

Bree in breeks!

Jamie insisting Bree be married still bugs me. All Claire’s talk about the future and how it is for women there and he’s like well clearly she should forget all of that and marry someone because I think she should. Like wtf, bro. Y’all live in the middle of fucking nowhere. No one gives a shit if she’s married or not. Say she’s a widow if you really care that much.

Seriously this episode like can’t make up its mind if handfasting counts as marriage or not. Like I thought the whole point of handfasting was that it was the same as marriage for a year. And it hasn’t been a year yet so Bree is technically married. Yet they keep referring to her as unwed both here and then again at River Run.

Bree thinking Roger won’t want her because she’s been raped and is pregnant is so fucked up, I want to hug her. But Roger is a complete asshat so at this point, it’s also probably true. (Only partly kidding there.) Because he’s the wooorst.

But Bree, girl, you did nothing wrong. You are not “damaged.” You are not less than because this happened to you.

“He doesn’t deserve ye.” Out of context Jamie Fraser speaking the truth.

Sorry not sorry but I still hate Roger. Yes, Jamie has done some fucked up things and was an asshole and never had to atone because lol why would the show make a character do that, but that’s easier for me to overlook because he had more screen time so I could headcanon out when he was shitty. Roger hasn’t had as much screen time in his relationship with Bree when he isn’t a dick to make me want to overlook the fact that he was a complete doucherocket. The show is asking me to accept that Bree has forgiven him and loves him and yada yada but like, they never did anything to get me invested in them more than he just has a crush on her and she sort of likes him when he wasn’t being a twat. So yeah, we’re stuck with Roger, but barring some unlikely groveling when he finally comes back, I’m really not here for him.

But for real though, fucked up opinions about marriage aside, I’m so here for supportive Da!Jamie.

I was kind of undecided about how I felt about the scene where Jamie shows Bree she couldn’t have fought off Bonnet in the book. But seeing it on scree, hard pass. Yes, Bree couldn’t believe her mother about time travel until she saw it with her own eyes when Geillis went through the stones. So like, sure, Bree would probs keep feeling guilty until she *knew* she couldn’t have fought off Bonnet. (Even though she has nothing to feel guilty about. But knowing something isn’t your fault and truly accepting that deep down are two completely different things.) But JFC, Jamie. There are less fucked up ways to show her that. Like tell her you can prove to her that she couldn’t have fought off Bonnet. Get her consent before doing your little demonstration. She’s not fucking She-Hulk, being angry isn’t going to give her super strength. She can try to fight you off without thinking you’re a complete fuckwad who is denying her trauma.

I really hope Claire didn’t go into too much of the gory detail about Wentworth, tbh. I know she thought Bree would never meet Jamie, but like, it’s still kind of weird to share all the disturbing details about something that personal without the say so of the person it happened to.

“Ye wilna forget, but time will let you heal.” Guys I’m feeling feelings.

But I still think it was the wrong call to include Bree’s rape.

Oh look it’s Roger. Time for a tea break.

Man, I regret deciding not to drink this month.

I got this text from @sileas84 and same, girl, same:

Also it’s really not a good look that they’re making Native Americans the antagonists. Again. Yes, I know it’s in the book. Don’t @ me.

Yo but I really wanted to hear the end of the Mohawk man’s story instead of cutting over to Roger.

TELL ME MORE ABOUT WHAT FLINT CREATED!

Give me all the Claire and Bree. Petition for the rest of the show to just be Claire and Bree going on adventures. Murtagh can come too. And Fergus and Marsali can be like their HQ when they need to stock up on more adventuring supplies.

But fuck yeah Claire giving Bree abortion as an option in a completely nonjudgmental way. (Because there is nothing to judge about having an abortion. Nothing.)

Friendly reminder that donating to Planned Parenthood is always a good idea, they provide all sorts affordable health services and are the only option for a lot of folks.

Also, fuck Roger for being like violently anti-choice. Yet another reason why I really don’t like that guy.

I hate the story choices that made this scene necessary, but dammit since they’re doing it, I love this scene.

#TeamBeauchampWomen5Eva

“Can ye no be smitten with cousins in yer time?” “No, you cousin-kissing weirdo. You’re like one step away from being siblings. It’s fucking gross and I’m judging you.”

“It’s nice to have a cousin. I apparently have a lot of cousins, but I didn’t get to meet any of them even though I was at their house because the writers decided it would be cool to spend half an episode with Laoghaire instead.”

“She’d grow roots there if she could... in her wee garden.” “My father used to say the same thing. He used to joke that she would leave us someday and go and live alone in the woods. Except he wasn’t joking because he fucking knew that she would do just that. Because he knew that she ended up on Fraser’s Ridge and he didn’t tell her. Instead, he joked with me about my mother leaving me because he was all about making sure I was very aware of my mother being slightly distant. Because he was a complete piece of shit. And I understand that now. Except I don’t because even though I kicked my shitty boyfriend to the curb for being the same kind of shitty, the writers of this show have deluded themselves into thinking Fred was a good guy. So I as a character have to not put the dots together.”

“And I came here to find you too.” Awww, too bad your Da turns out to be a rage monster.

Oh, cool, another montage. Cool cool cool. And that’s like the same shot of the sow from the other episode.

Claire and Bree playing the what do you miss from the future is fucking adorable and I love it with my whole heart.

Also Claire I-love-me-some-jazz Beauchamp being like “yeah, I’m totally hip with the youths, I would love Led Zeppelin” is my literal favorite.

Ok great that they’re showing Bree still having residual PTSD from her rape (the obligatory “fuck them for including it” should be a given), but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WHY ARE THEY SHOWING ANOTHER ATTEMPTED RAPE. YOU CAN SHOW HER HAVING A BAD DREAM WITHOUT FUCKING SHOWING ANOTHER VIOLENT SEXUAL ASSAULT. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, SHOW. YOU ARE THE LITERAL WORST.

I really can’t be as mad at Lizzie as I am at Jamie. Roger was a manhandling douche with Bree so like of course she thought what she thought. But she should have talked to Bree. Really I just hate Jamie for this whole mess. Fuck him for telling Lizzie not to tell Bree. Fuck him for making Ian “clean up” his fuck up. Fuck him for getting rid of Roger without talking with Bree first. Fuck Jamie, tbh.

“I thought Roger went...back.” Y’all I just need Ian to know the truth.

I am 100000000% here for Bree ripping these idiots a new one.

This whole plot line is such a fucking mess and I hate it with the passion of a thousand suns.

“You bedded him from lust?” Well she literally just said they were fucking handfast which, again, is basically like marriage. So she fucking had a wedding night you backwards fucking douchewad.

Also, she can fuck whoever she wants. As long as it’s what *she* wants. Fuck Jamie for being 100% ok with Fergus sleeping with prostitutes but not being able to wrap his head around Bree sleeping with someone she wants to sleep with. Claire’s told him enough about the future that him being a close-minded twat about this and like her bikini in the photos and shit just makes him look bad. Yes he’s from the past, but if he’s accepted fucking time travel and the fact that it’s not cool to beat your fucking wife, he can wrap his head around the fact that attitudes toward sex change in the future.

And yes, I know that line was him thinking she lied to him about being raped, but still. Ugh.

YAAAS, QUEEN. SLAP HIM AGAIN.

Yeah, Lizzie, you should feel bad.

And yeah for Claire for going straight to Bree instead of waffling about who to comfort.

“My father would never have said the things you said to *me.* He said them to my *mother.* But he was a good man. Because the writers can’t accept that they wrote him as an absolute prick.”

Seriously, if fucking one more person on this fucking show says that Fred is a good guy, I’m gonna vomit.

I know I linked to it in last week’s recap too, but I’m still fucking holding out for Claire to get to have this convo with Jamie at some point, but I honestly highly doubt they’ll include it.

Ok so here’s my thing with them not telling Jamie that it was Bonnet who raped Bree: It’s dumb af. Bree doesn’t want to tell Jamie because it will make Jamie’s #manpain worse. Fuck. That. Noise. His manpain doesn’t matter. Bonnet is someone who is known to them, which may or may not have played into Bonnet deciding to rape Bree. Fuck Jamie’s feelings. Especially since apparently the fucking backwoods of North Carolina are a small enough place that the Frasers keep running into people they know. There’s a chance they’ll run into Bonnet again (which they do, because he’s annoying and sticks around for two more books, although I seriously hope they kill him this season instead of dragging it out for two more seasons) and it’s better to have everyone know than have them be blindsided if they run into him again. Because you *know* that if he ever ran into them again, Bonnet would 100% be like yeah, I fucked your kid. (On that note, did Bonnet know that Bree was Roger’s girlfriend in the show? I can’t remember...) Even if Bree wasn’t comfortable enough talking to Jamie about it, it would have made sense for her to have Claire tell him.

I know in the past I’ve said that Claire should have just told Jamie anyway, and I still kind of think that, given the stakes of this specific situation. But I’m also working through my own shit about my mom where I really lost trust in her because she thought she was entitled to personal information about me and that it was her place to tell my dad because he “deserved” to know. So like, I’m very conflicted about this.

I do like that Bree nods her permission to Claire to tell Jamie. If Claire’s going to agree to keep Bree’s secret, she should keep it until Bree says it’s ok.

“I sold him to the Mohawk. Because clearly seeing slavery firsthand made zero impression on me and I think it’s totally ok to sell a man into slavery.”

I still blame Jamie for 99% of this, tbh. But also, fuck you, Ian.

Don’t @ me with that they thought he was a rapist so it’s ok. It’s not ok. That is not an excuse. If you want to beat him up first and ask questions later, fine, get a few punches in, tie him up and ask Bree if it’s the fucking guy. They’re taking away her agency by “handling” things without telling her. Which is so fucked up.

Also fucked up? SELLING A GUY INTO SLAVERY.

Ian 1000% deserved that punch. I know he loves Jamie, but what Jamie did was fucked up. He didn’t have to sell a fucking guy into slavery. Fergus is like a son to Jamie and he stood up to Jamie when he was being a fuckwit last year. There’s precedent for fucking not going along with Jamie’s dumbass ideas.

And Lizzie 100000% deserves that “You should be.”

All these fuckers deserve all of this. Keeping this shit from the one person who should have a say in what happens to the man who raped her is such paternalistic bullshit.

“No! No. You do not get to be more angry than me.” This is maybe my favorite line of the season, tbh. I fucking LOVE it. Preach, Bree, fucking preach. Fuck your manpain, Fraser, you fucked up. You can feel bad about it, but you are not the victim here.

Y’all I fucking love Bree.

Y’all I fucking don’t give a single flying fuck about Roger.

“It’s said that they adopt folk into their tribe... In order to replace those as are killed or die of sickness.” Gee, I wonder what’s going to happen at the end of the season. They 100% changed it from Jamie selling a dude to slavery to Ian selling a dude into slavery so in the finale or whatever they can have Ian be like “this is my penance” and decide to stay with the Mohawk and be adopted. Which I guess works better than in the book where he does it even though it’s Jamie who fucked up?

But I still blame Jamie most.

“You’re insane. You’ve done enough damage.” Understatement of two centuries, Bree.

Ian: “They’re more than a week ahead of us. If they dinna stop, we’ll be lagging behind for months.”

Bree:

I hate that we’re stuck with another “who’s the daddy” story line.

“After everything those two have done, can you look me in the eye and tell me you trust their judgement?” “Ok, yeah, that’s a fair point.”

“I’ll take her.” ALWAYS TAKE A MURTAGH!!!

Who the fuck is Tom Burley. He’s been mentioned twice. I know he’s one of those mystery settlers they apparently got at some point who we’ve never seen or met, but still. If you’re gonna keep name dropping someone, we should at least meet them at some point.

Oh don’t put this on Claire, Jamie. Yeah, Bree should have had Claire tell you, but FFS, you fucking wanted to kill a guy based off the word of a fucking random maid without consulting with your kid, who is the *only* person who should have a say in this situation. Fuck you.

“You told me you hit a tree.” Yaaaaas.

“You said that. I-I just let you believe it.” Ok, I know I seem like I’m letting Claire off lightly, and I probs am. But like, keeping something from Jamie because Bree asked her to, while a dumb choice on Bree’s part and possibly Claire’s part, is different than Jamie keeping something from Claire for literally no reason. Like why the fuck didn’t Jamie tell Claire he beat the shit out of a dude.

WHY CAN’T THESE FUCKERS JUST COMMUNICATE. EVEN IF THEY EACH ONLY TALK TO CLAIRE, CLAIRE WOULD HAVE PUT IT TOGETHER AND BEEN LIKE WTFFFFFF NOOOOOO.

ROGERGATE WILL FOREVER AND ALWAYS BE THE FUCKING WORST.

“Find Stephen Bonnet. Bring him to me in secret. I’m gonna kill him.” You fucking dumbass motherfucker. Clearly trying to take your own revenge in secret worked out so fucking well the first time.

The fucking men on this show are exhausting.

Claire trying to ease Bree’s mind about maybe having to deliver the baby without her makes me feel feelings. Basically I just want all of the Claire and Bree and none of the dudebros.

BUT OMFG, BREE CAN DRAW LIKE A SPOT ON PORTRAIT OF ROGER AND FUCKING NEVER DID THAT BEFORE WHEN SHE FIRST SHOWED UP AND WAS TELLING HER FAMILY ABOUT HER BOYFIEND?! (i know that’s a typo but it seemed strangely fitting so i’m keeping it) ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! LITERALLY WHEN YOU’RE TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT THE PERSON YOU’RE SEEING “WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE” IS LIKE IN THE FIRST THREE QUESTIONS PEOPLE ASK REGARDLESS OF WHAT TIME PERIOD IT IS. YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT SHE NEVER DESCRIBED HIM OR FUCKING DREW HIS PICTURE IF SHE’S APPARENTLY NOW AN ARTIST?!

I HATE EVERYTHING.

“It’s a good likeness. If only you drew it two fucking months ago when we were all playing the getting to know you game.”

I cannot stress enough how much I hate Rogergate.

“What do you want me to say to Roger?” “Tell him everything. Like I should have had you tell Jamie. And then this whole mess could have been avoided.”

“He came back for me. And I’ve apparently not only changed my mind about marriage but also about him being a twatwaffle. So everyone should ship us even though you haven’t been given a reason to.”

Bree wanting Roger to have all the facts so he can make a decision again makes it clear just how much more emotionally mature she is than him. She deserves so much fucking better.

Gah, I knew the Ian proposing thing was coming when they did the “he’s smitten with you” bit before, but UGH. DO NOT WANT.

“For my part in this calamity, I want ye to know, if we dinna find him... It would be my honor to take your hand in the holy sacrament of marriage--” Because it’s every girl’s dream to fucking marry their fucking cousin who SOLD THEIR BOYFRIEND/HUSBAND DEPENDING ON WHAT MOOD THE SHOW IS IN INTO SLAVERY.

Why did they decide doing this story line was a good idea. Why did they fucking include this stupid proposal. Like yes, it’s better than the book because in the book it’s Jamie telling Ian to do it. But “better than the book” doesn’t equal good.

It’s so hard to take Jamie seriously in emotional scenes when his hair looks like that.

Please next week can we have a metric fuckton of Murtagh and Bree bonding? Please?

And then the episode ended with Claire riding off with tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.

Except it didn’t and I need more tea.

I do love the detail that one of the Mohawk has an English soldier’s coat. Most likely taken from when the Mohawk allied with the English during the French and Indian War.

Ulysses being like “sorry, in this house we have hygiene standards” when Murtz and Bree show up makes me lol, but also we’re back to dealing with slavery. Because that went so well last time.

MURCASTAAAAA

Idk if I actually ship it since she’s like so aware of him along with everyone else in the Highlands being in love with Ellen. And the whole slavery thing. But I am so here for more of the two of them together.

Ok again, though, I thought handfasting was like marriage. She straight up says that she’s handfast to the guy her parents are looking for. But in the same sentence she says she’s unmarried. MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND, SHOW.

I do like both of them being like “um, yeah, hi, we can speak for our damn selves,” though.

I hate cliffhangers.

Also Roger finding this standing stone doesn’t mean the cold open of the premiere was good or worth it, tbh. I still hate that.

Please just go through the stones so we don’t need to deal with you anymore, Roger.

Also, like, we know he’s not actually going to go back to the future. Because if he did, this whole back half of the season would be a waste. So like this cliffhanger is dumb on multiple levels.

Is it February yet? I need a drink.

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